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Offline redliner69

Only asking. Not judging in anyway.

With regards to Coronavirus, and particularly how it is spread.....

Which is worse, Bareback sex or French Kissing?

And assuming you were unlucky enough to catch either, what is the least worse to catch?
Coronavirus or STD?  :unknown:

From my own perspective I wouldn't dream of not using a condom, and I would probably be reluctant to perform oral sex on any of the girls from the Thai/Chinese massage places I visit.
In the past when visiting Harmony or Tingles I always wore a condom, but I've not visited a girl for full sex for a while.
I'm even against any kissing of any degree, and that was before Coronavirus.

Is kissing, especially DFK worth the risk?

Only asking...
« Last Edit: September 20, 2020, 11:46:45 am by redliner69 »

Offline gbyld87

I imagine you if you barebacked someone with an STD and Covid-19, you'd likely catch both.  Difficult to fuck someone whilst maintaining social distancing.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2020, 11:48:54 am by gbyld87 »

Offline HailWood

From what I understand, being in sustained close proximity (as in a punt) to a person infected with Corvid—19 provides a very high risk of transmission. Kissing will only increase the risk even higher and might result in a high viral loads which has been determined to increase the severity of the infection.

Offline scutty brown

wear an airtight condom over your head, that will stop you catching it

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Offline Dipper

wear an airtight condom over your head, that will stop you catching it

 :thumbsup: :lol:

Offline NickyBobby

Any form of physical contact is a risk, not just kissing. In fact, if you want to be really paranoid, the virus can survive on surfaces for several hours so make sure you wear rubber gloves when visiting a WG because someone might have touched that door handle or lift button before you and secreted it from their skin. 

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Anyone punting at the moment is playing the lottery with their health IMHO.

Offline hunkybc

Just don't punt is my recommendation. You will just be adding to an already out of control situation.
I've been keeping an eye on what the WGs are chatting about over on saafe.  There are a few who have been carrying the virus, but only found out from their blood tests.
Its a bloody big lottery with life.  Stay safe.

Offline l1mpd1ck

I'm afraid the old joke comes to mind:

"If you give up smoking, drinking and sex you don't actually live any longer...it just seems a lot longer!"

As individuals we have to make choices between risk and reward.  The parameters will be different for every individual. 

Offline NickyBobby

Normally the risk is do any of the blokes who’ve fucked the WG before you have an STD, with protection that is very low risk of transmission.

With Covid-19 it’s transmittable through breath or through the pores, or the sheets you’re fucking on, and for the first 4 days there’s no symptoms. Good luck  :hi:

Offline filthy.john

From what I understand, being in sustained close proximity (as in a punt) to a person infected with Corvid—19 provides a very high risk of transmission. Kissing will only increase the risk even higher and might result in a high viral loads which has been determined to increase the severity of the infection.

I'd concur with every word of this.

As to the other part of the question - which is worse.... well that depends.

A bout of Chlamydia for unprotected sex - oral or otherwise - would be (in the main) uncomplicated and resolved with a single dose of Zithromax.

Covid-19 - assuming youve engaged is sloppy FK and partaken of a massive viral load - then there is an increased risk you'll end up in ICU on a ventillator especially if youre on the portly side of a healthy weight etc... its a bit of an unknown of course because there doesnt seem to be any real consisyency in which healthy folk will be most badly affected - but assuming you end up badly afected then it could lead to permanent cardio-pulmonary damage and other systemic damage far worse thsn some of the lesser STIs and perhaps eve lesser damaging than HIV given the developmemts in treatments these days.

Its not an easy question with an easy answer    :unknown:

Its just a very sad and sorry state of affairs all round.

Offline John the Sextist

And another point to be mindful of,

Generally the most affected are those with some form of medical issue, be it Asthma, COPD, under cancer treatments and diabetes etc, the list could go on, however, there have been many fatalities to those considered normal and those considered highly fit and healthy so this virus does not differentiate  :scare: :scare:

We all have different opinions on this so any choice taken is the individuals responsibility, I don't advocate either way but according to the so called experts in this field it seems logical to follow the guidelines at the moment, unless your partner happens to be an escort then wear a blind fold and go have a fuck fest  :lol: :lol:

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Offline filthy.john

And another point to be mindful of,

Generally the most affected are those with some form of medical issue, be it Asthma, COPD, under cancer treatments and diabetes etc, the list could go on, however, there have been many fatalities to those considered normal and those considered highly fit and healthy so this virus does not differentiate  :scare: :scare:

We all have different opinions on this so any choice taken is the individuals responsibility, I don't advocate either way but according to the so called experts in this field it seems logical to follow the guidelines at the moment, unless your partner happens to be an escort then wear a blind fold and go have a fuck fest  :lol: :lol:

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Yes... agreed. I'm treating this almost like the risk of contracting a very serious STI.

I've had one punt since February - last week actually - with a girl I've been watching for a long time and who I was satisfied was taking very careful precautions... avowedly anti-BB and clearly takes care to screen her clients for potential secondary exposure to BBers.... stayed completely 'locked down' during the most stringent period of restrictions... only recently started seeing clients again. Is very clear on who should stay away (symptoms), that she is ONLY seeing 1 client per day and will not confirm a booking until the day of the booking to ensure she feels heathy and well on the day. And I had a 2 week wait to get on the list to see her. So I was as sure as I could be that she was also taking this seriously.

But even so - I will admit that I wasnt entirely comfortable and I've isolated myself since that meet last Tuesday just to be sure.... and all is well.

But I can't see me just going to see anyone who takes my fancy right now - certainly the ultra populars... I'd love to see Thai Jasmine (Waverly Street) for a B2B FBSM for example - but strikes me she's seeing far too many, she's far too popular and its a risk far too far for me.

Very sad times.

Offline Charliehutton

When death rates were in decline, and daily infection rates were down at 1 in 30,000 or thereabouts, I was more comfortable with the level of risk, and had half a dozen punts or so. But with the current hoo-ha I've hung my punting boots up for the foreseeable future. I've long stopped believing all the statistics that are trotted out every day, but even so,It just feels as if I'd be pushing my luck a bit far at the moment.

Bugger.

Offline The Highwayman

I agree with Charlie, I think there was a window of lower risk opportunity for the last ~6 weeks.

As for the statistics, far, far fewer people are dying now despite the infection rates being as high as ever, I listened to an Irish guy the other day who explained that at the start there was an excess of what he called "dry tinder" (nothing to do with the App) because 2019's flu season was very mild. In other words more people than typical who were closer to death and Covid-19 pushed them into. Even though we've seen a surge from ~10 deaths a day a few weeks ago to 37-40, that's nothing like the ~1,000/day we were seeing at peak.

Also even 40/day is still less than the ~100/day who die of lung cancer for example. So the scale of death is much less significant now.

Of course the very vulnerable are still vulnerable, however, most of those catching it during this second wave are the young who have milder symptoms (many are asymptomatic) and get over it far sooner. It should also be added that the NHS has learned to treat people more effectively with intubating and induced coma very much a last resort - now most patients are put on oxygen earlier, using those sleep apnoea masks and survival rates are much better. Fortunately our over zealous journalistic titans (for whom my respect has vastly diminished during Covid) haven't started on the NHS. The NHS is sacrosanct.

As expressed by Matt Hancock again yesterday, the biggest fear now might just be the college students bringing it home for Christmas putting their grandparents at risk.

From what I have gleaned from personal experience most of the SPs would probably be considered very low risk (of death) so I am not going to judge them for still working. We punters, as (mainly) older guys, are more at risk, however, that said, I personally don't fear Covid for me (I don't think I am golden or immune in any way, I just don't think I am at high or even medium risk of death from it). So for me the risk is more who I might pass it on to, directly or indirectly.

As per the OP's first question, I believe catching an STD (if you're careful/sensible) is pretty low, however, catching Covid (even without kissing) is very high (if she's infected of course). An STD would be worse in terms of explanations, however, Covid might actually turn out worse in terms of potential outcomes.

I made 4 visits in the "window", but now I'm uncertain about continuing for the time being.

BTW @CharlieHutton - punting boots!???  :D


Offline Cocknose

Considering more people died of flu than corona bullshit in August I think we should get on with our lives, the masks are a farce this is all designed to take your freedoms, look on brand new tube regarding COVID19 being in the UK since 2015, the 19 does not relate to the year.

The cash is dirty rubbish, rule of 6 crap is all bollocks. Instead of believing the news research it, look at the CEBM report

Sure washing your hands is good advice in any flu season or when dealing with the sick. Ask a District nurse about their hand washing protocol is might surprise you.
Please research this as at the moment this really is the empowers new clothes on crack
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Offline Dipper

Considering more people died of flu than corona bullshit in August I think we should get on with our lives, the masks are a farce this is all designed to take your freedoms, look on brand new tube regarding COVID19 being in the UK since 2015, the 19 does not relate to the year.

The cash is dirty rubbish, rule of 6 crap is all bollocks. Instead of believing the news research it, look at the CEBM report

Sure washing your hands is good advice in any flu season or when dealing with the sick. Ask a District nurse about their hand washing protocol is might surprise you.
Please research this as at the moment this really is the empowers new clothes on crack


Agreed.

All hugely excessive and darkly sinister. I hope all responsible will be punished one day.

Offline HailWood

Considering more people died of flu than corona bullshit in August I think we should get on with our lives, the masks are a farce this is all designed to take your freedoms, look on brand new tube regarding COVID19 being in the UK since 2015, the 19 does not relate to the year.

The cash is dirty rubbish, rule of 6 crap is all bollocks. Instead of believing the news research it, look at the CEBM report

Sure washing your hands is good advice in any flu season or when dealing with the sick. Ask a District nurse about their hand washing protocol is might surprise you.
Please research this as at the moment this really is the empowers new clothes on crack

Really??!!!!

You are coming across here as a Covid denier. What about the 41,000 deaths in the country so far? IMO people like you are responsible for the current increase in infection rates.

Offline Dipper

Really??!!!!

You are coming across here as a Covid denier. What about the 41,000 deaths in the country so far? IMO people like you are responsible for the current increase in infection rates.

From or with c-19?
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Offline kingkong69

I think covid just about killed all  businesses not just punting ..I know lots of friends lost jobs and some friends died.. :(

Offline Charliehutton



BTW @CharlieHutton - punting boots!???  :D

A loose metaphor, Mr H. What I really meant was my Peter Wyngarde jockstrap. :cool:

Offline GingerNuts

Considering more people died of flu than corona bullshit in August I think we should get on with our lives, the masks are a farce this is all designed to take your freedoms, look on brand new tube regarding COVID19 being in the UK since 2015, the 19 does not relate to the year.

Absolute nonsense.

You've not provided a link so I tracked down the video and it goes on about a document published in 2015 referring to COVID-19 as a notifiable disease. What it fails to mention is that it's a live document which is constantly updated. COVID-19 was added in 2020.

The 19 does relate to the year, coronavirus disease 2019 abbreviated as COVID-19.

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Offline Knny

....What about the 41,000 deaths in the country so far? ....

25,000 of which were in nursing homes.  Not saying it's lies, just that I don't understand that bit.

Offline redliner69

The issue with Covid is not how many people died in April (up to 1200 per day)
The issue with Covid is not how many died yesterday (40)
The issue with Covid is not whether more people died of lung cancer that Covid.


The issue with Covid is not specifically how many suicides from depression may occur.
The issue with Covid is not specifically how many people will lose their jobs.


The issue with Covid is this : How many could die from Covid if we ignored the restrictions, or worse still, if we removed restrictions altogether.
The number of deaths so far are around 43,000.
Had we not had a lockdown it is plainly obvious that this figure of 43,000 would have been higher.
We can only guess at how many we think it would have been.  :unknown:
We can only guess at how many we think it will be if we remove restrictions currently in place.  :unknown:

But anybody who thinks that having no restrictions will not increase the death rate is quite frankly deluded.

 

Offline NickyBobby

Take a look at America to how badly this could have gone

Offline Cocknose

The issue with covid is deaths were mis reported,

 the issue with Covid is even during restrictions is flu has killed more,

The issue with Covid is the fact your freedoms are being removed and you are scared by the media into believing their shit

The issue with Covid is South Korea and Sweden despite no restrictions had less deaths and whilst Sweden is more spread out South Korea isn't that different to us in density.

The issue with Covid is at the start only the ill were tested

The issue with Covid is the ill were put with the vulnerable which made it worse

The issue with Covid is the tests can mistake Covid 19 for the common cold ( which is a coronavirus) and is currently  killing more than Covid

The real issue is its the emporers new clothes, I personally know people who have died of different illnesses due to not getting medical attention during Covid, and being classed as an essential worker and coming into contact with those who aren't makes me realise how shit this really is, research the medical liability for administering and illnesses caused by vaccines and research how dangerous the UK really thought how dangerous this steaming pile of shit was thought of in March.

 For all you falling for this i hope you really are enjoying your new outfits.
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Offline GingerNuts

The issue with covid is deaths were mis reported,

 the issue with Covid is even during restrictions is flu has killed more,

The issue with Covid is the fact your freedoms are being removed and you are scared by the media into believing their shit

The issue with Covid is South Korea and Sweden despite no restrictions had less deaths and whilst Sweden is more spread out South Korea isn't that different to us in density.

The issue with Covid is at the start only the ill were tested

The issue with Covid is the ill were put with the vulnerable which made it worse

The issue with Covid is the tests can mistake Covid 19 for the common cold ( which is a coronavirus) and is currently  killing more than Covid

The real issue is its the emporers new clothes, I personally know people who have died of different illnesses due to not getting medical attention during Covid, and being classed as an essential worker and coming into contact with those who aren't makes me realise how shit this really is, research the medical liability for administering and illnesses caused by vaccines and research how dangerous the UK really thought how dangerous this steaming pile of shit was thought of in March.

 For all you falling for this i hope you really are enjoying your new outfits.

So the common cold (only about 20% of which are caused by a coronavirus) is killing more people than COVID-19...

And you're an anti vaxer by the sounds of it.

And you posted CT rubbish earlier about COVID-19 being around in 2015.

If you had any serious points I'm afraid they're lost in the nonsense.


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Why not do this though?
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Offline Cocknose

Very much an anti vaxer if you really are happy about having your dna taken without your permission then crack on look at statutory instrument 2020 number 973, crack on.

If you are happy for the government to know your every move crack on download the app

If your happy to try a vaccine  that hasnt been properly tested for which there is no recourse to compensation of it damages you crack on

If you're happy to allow untrained staff to administer vaccines to your family crack on.

These are facts not fiction, Noah was a conspiracy theorist, then it rained
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Offline Cocknose

Well copper bollocks do what you like sanctimonious turd
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Offline michael.fannymore

'These are facts not fiction' using this quote then quoting the story of Noah to back it up doesn't really help your argument  :unknown:

Offline GingerNuts

Very much an anti vaxer if you really are happy about having your dna taken without your permission then crack on look at statutory instrument 2020 number 973, crack on.

Do you have something to hide?

I'm not bothered but how would they get my DNA by giving me a vaccine?

If you are happy for the government to know your every move crack on download the app

The app works by generating random tokens to share with other phones that the app installed. It's just that. Its an app that detects and saves, on your phone, the random tokens of other phones it's been in contact with for the last 14 days. It connects to a central server once a day to tell it your phone's random token. And connects again if you tell it you've had a positive test. The server then alerts all the other phones that match the tokens your then phone gives it.

It doesn't do anything else as that's the API that google and apple have provided. That's all it can do. It's baked hard into the OS to make sure that's all it does.

The government don't have access to this data it's all done through Google/Apple APIs baked into the OS so exactly the same people you're handing mountains of properly personal information to already.

If your happy to try a vaccine  that hasnt been properly tested for which there is no recourse to compensation of it damages you crack on

The vaccine is undergoing clinical trials wich it will have to pass. Where's your evidence it wont't be propely tested?

If you're happy to allow untrained staff to administer vaccines to your family crack on.

Did you just make that up?

These are facts not fiction, Noah was a conspiracy theorist, then it rained

So you don't believe in science but you do believe in the bible...

Well copper bollocks do what you like sanctimonious turd

Oh dear, insults are the last resort of insecure people.

Offline Cocknose

No I don't believe in the bible,

 the evidence is their read the statutory instruments

If the vaccine and the people administering it are so safe why are they immune from prosecution like I said if that floats your boat crack on

The data being collected on spending will be very interesting if everything goes cashless ( which is another form of control, if we are so open on here why don't we use our real names). Privacy and freedoms are paramount, they are being eroded and you don't see it, read the instruments and legislation.

Hows your new clothes?







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Offline Cocknose

Any way copper bollocks you always like to poke people with insults why are are you crying when you get poked back? You may have been right about the 2015 video but everything else regarding this you are so wrong
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Offline HailWood

We are clearly on opposite sides when it comes to this @cocknose. I believe if everyone buried their heads in this crisis, like you seem to be advocating, we would get nowhere and have a much worse economic and social disaster. This is why I have downloaded the App and volunteered for the vaccine trial AND will not be punting again until we have beaten this disease.

Offline Stickitin

We are clearly on opposite sides when it comes to this @cocknose. I believe if everyone buried their heads in this crisis, like you seem to be advocating, we would get nowhere and have a much worse economic and social disaster. This is why I have downloaded the App and volunteered for the vaccine trial AND will not be punting again until we have beaten this disease.

Same, no downside for me as I have nothing to hide. I did briefly dip my cock into the punting world but am out again for the time being.....

Offline NickyBobby

Same, Covid has screwed me financially but even if it hadn’t I wouldn’t take the risk at the moment

Offline Cocknose

Covid IS killing less than the flu and pneumonia and has been for the last 8 weeks and does year on year its never stopped anyone before during flu season, actually during August it was the 24th biggest killer in the UK behind pneumonia the flu and falling down stairs
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Offline Cocknose

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Offline HailWood


If the vaccine and the people administering it are so safe why are they immune from prosecution like I said if that floats your boat crack on

Extract from the recent email from the Vaccine Registry.


“Oxford pause shows safety will not be compromised for speed
Safety is the highest priority for everyone organising COVID-19 vaccine studies. As with any medicine, vaccines are highly regulated products and there are rigorous checks and balances in place at every stage in their development to make sure people taking part in the study are kept safe.

The MHRA – that’s the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency – oversees every step of the process to ensure the safety and wellbeing of study participants, as well as the safety, quality and efficacy of the vaccine, and no step is taken in that process without the MHRA’s permission.

On average, there are over 600 clinical studies every year in the UK, with thousands of people taking part. All study volunteers are carefully assessed prior to taking part and are very carefully monitored afterwards.  Over the course of the trial, participants will be very closely monitored and have 24/7 access to doctors and nurses running the trial, so they can report anything they are concerned about, or if they feel unwell for any reason. Participants are able to speak to anyone at any time, about anything they are concerned about.

You may have heard about the recent pause in the Oxford trial. It is quite normal for a trial to be paused while any unexpected result is fully investigated and experts can check there is no likely link with the trial vaccine or medicine. With 18,000 people taking part in this trial alone, both in the UK and overseas, it is not unusual to see results that need further investigation – this is exactly what we want studies to show us. The Oxford trial has now resumed and the pause demonstrates that safety of trial participants will not be compromised. “

I also note that 32% of Front Line Workers have registered for the testing programme. If they have faith in the testing regime then it’s ok by me.

Offline HailWood

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Still want the vaccine?

So what is your solution? Let Covid spread naturally to create herd immunity that way?

BTW, I also have the flu jab most years. Not just to protect myself but to prevent me spreading it to those I love and the community in general.

Offline filthy.john

Covid IS killing less than the flu and pneumonia and has been for the last 8 weeks and does year on year its never stopped anyone before during flu season, actually during August it was the 24th biggest killer in the UK behind pneumonia the flu and falling down stairs

I think you must be missing something Cocknose - in fact, I'm bleeding sure we are ALL missing something! I do not for one minute think the entire world would be taking measures they are taking if this was 'just a bit of flu'. I genuinely fear the potential long-term consequences. I am aware of some very fit and previously healthy individuals who are suffering long-term, permanent damage to vital organs including the heart.

I'm perhaps less concerned about contracting it and dying than I am of - 1. contracting it and spreading it, potentially to weaker, older, more vulnerable members of family, friends and thers more generally, 2. contracting it, spreading it and being responsible for causing others long-term permanent health consequences, and 3. contractig it and suffering permanent damage myself. After all, if I contract it and die - so be it... I could cross the road and get hit by a bus tomorrow so number 4 and the risk of my dying from the disease really is the least of my concerns.

But if there is ANY conspiracy here (and I doubt that there is) what I fear there is that there is something we are not being told about this virus - potentially something so panic-inducing that they'd rather not tell us.

I dont for one minute think countries the world over would put their economies at such great risk for something trivial.

Wise-up fella and take the tin foil hat off.


Offline Cocknose

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Offline Cocknose

I'm not wearing a tin foil hat and if the government and vaccine providers are so sure the vaccine is safe, why remove the standards of which other vaccines are accountable to? As for the flu jab, how effective do you think it is?
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Offline Cocknose

Are you not concerned by the 68% that haven't?
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Offline Cocknose

Herd immunity has worked well in Sweden. There is a virus that if it mutated would be a fucking disaster called the nipah virus which is 70% fatal, or MERS which was from memory 30+% fatal.

I caught SARS last time round which was 6% fatal and we didn't lock down then, this at best is 1% fatal so why didn't we lockdown before? The flu in 2014-15 had a massive death rate virtually comparable with covid but we didn't lock down.

So why now, I initially looked at this to dismiss someone in my family (who is a consultant in the NHS) and they won't take the vaccine and after looking at the facts, I won't its up to you what you do all I am asking is you look at both sides critically.

I also question if the vaccine is so safe, why won't the BBC and the MSM debate anti vaccine experts? As a matter of fact they have stated they won't debate them. I wonder why?
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