Is it Just Me or Is UKP Becoming Infiltrated By BB'ers

[jamiekinkxxx]

There will always be BB'ers I realise that. There maybe 100's on here that simply have never posted about it.

However IMHO recently there seems to be, certainly in the London Boards (general section pages, but esp in the TS sections) a lot more new members / guys very open and even blasé about BB'ing.

Now each to their own, their life and lifestyle. They can, and obviously do, choose to partake in sex anyway they like, but there seems to be an uptick.

The other thing that amazes me (or even shocks me) is the lack of understanding about sexual health that is apparent in some of the posts. There 100% seems to be a misconception that PREP protects for anything other HIV. Yes a girl/TS maybe on PREP but that will not protect you from any other STI.

[daviemac]

Now each to their own, their life and lifestyle.

Why worry about it then, at least if they post on here about barebacking it gives those of us who actively avoid it more information on who we need to avoid.

Personally if I read about a barebacking punter I'm very wary about booking any other escort he's seen.

[jamiekinkxxx]

I agree Davie... and I a not worried about it to any great extent, there just seems more of it than a few years ago.

If I do worry (and that is not the best word to use) it is around the lack of sexual health knowledge that they appear to have when rolling the dice and BB'ing.

[daviemac]

I agree Davie... and I a not worried about it to any great extent, there just seems more of it than a few years ago.

If I do worry (and that is not the best word to use) it is around the lack of sexual health knowledge that they appear to have when rolling the dice and BB'ing.

I'm no longer surprised at how may people have not got a clue about anything to do with this game, not only their own sexual health but the legalities of it all.

 

[scutty brown]

Regard it as a chance to educate and inform (and by that I don't mean the usual bombastic reaction BBers usually get on here). Point out the issues in a non-confrontational way, with luck some will understand.
Better they use this site and be guided rather than be rejected and end up on the alternatives

[SonofAJohn]

Barebackticos Olympus

[mancsguy1975]

Why worry about it then, at least if they post on here about barebacking it gives those of us who actively avoid it more information on who we need to avoid.

Personally if I read about a barebacking punter I'm very wary about booking any other escort he's seen.

100% agreed pal !

[bops909]

I've also noticed several active profiles of Romanian WGs offering bareback, which surprises me.

63 such profiles showing available today.

Either the profile managers don't bother to check what they're ticking, or they offer it with no intention of providing it, because it's a very blasé attitude to take to your health as a WG and my experience is that WGs are usually pretty well aware of the risks and pretty careful.

Maybe I've just be leading a sheltered punting life and didn't notice it was a thing before.

[macman26]

I've also noticed several active profiles of Romanian WGs offering bareback, which surprises me.

63 such profiles showing available today.

Either the profile managers don't bother to check what they're ticking, or they offer it with no intention of providing it, because it's a very blasé attitude to take to your health as a WG and my experience is that WGs are usually pretty well aware of the risks and pretty careful.

Maybe I've just be leading a sheltered punting life and didn't notice it was a thing before.

A lot of women don't worry anymore, once they have long term set n forgot birth control sorted (coil or injection). Been on seeking, match and tinder dates, the later too which not any real cross over with AdultWork. Your talking in pub etc and then they/you invite back home/car etc, at no point condom's bought up by the them....  Really hard when your making out to stop and gert one your self   

[puntingking]

There will always be BB'ers I realise that. There maybe 100's on here that simply have never posted about it.

However IMHO recently there seems to be, certainly in the London Boards (general section pages, but esp in the TS sections) a lot more new members / guys very open and even blasé about BB'ing.

Now each to their own, their life and lifestyle. They can, and obviously do, choose to partake in sex anyway they like, but there seems to be an uptick.

The other thing that amazes me (or even shocks me) is the lack of understanding about sexual health that is apparent in some of the posts. There 100% seems to be a misconception that PREP protects for anything other HIV. Yes a girl/TS maybe on PREP but that will not protect you from any other STI.

most reviews are of owo rather than protected oral and that comes with risk.
I would be weary partaking in owo  with a wg who has lots of marks or who seems to look unhealthy.

each to they own.
A barebacker might still take precautions (prep for example)
No method is 100% safe.
As another member told me before on here that if you want to be completely safe then don't have sex at all.
let live and let live.
I  don't see barebackers BUT I also must admit that if i did I would still have to take some sort of precautions anyway regardless of what sexual activity I want to do unprotected.

The main point is make your own judgement.

[finn5555]

There will also be punters on here who slam the BB guys but secretly bareback prossies themselves.
Plenty of prossies claim they don't bareback but do either under the counter or to regular clients.

Simple answer is look after your own health 

[jamiekinkxxx]

most reviews are of owo rather than protected oral and that comes with risk.
I would be weary partaking in owo  with a wg who has lots of marks or who seems to look unhealthy.

each to they own.
A barebacker might still take precautions (prep for example)
No method is 100% safe.
As another member told me before on here that if you want to be completely safe then don't have sex at all.
let live and let live.
I  don't see barebackers BUT I also must admit that if i did I would still have to take some sort of precautions anyway regardless of what sexual activity I want to do unprotected.

The main point is make your own judgement.

PREP protects you only for HIV. What about all other other STI's 

There are some nasty ones out there, we are not just talking a simple 5 day course of antibiotics for chlamydia.

As you and others have said 'each to their own / make your own judgement'  but it the blasé attitude that just shocks me TBH

[SilverN]

So a girl who offers bareback said she wouldn't give me OWO unless I had clear tests as you can get STDs through oral.

She is being careful, it's the tests she wants to see.

I have in the past contracted calamidya or a similar bacterial infection  through being given a blowjob without a condom by an escort.

Most STDs can be cleared easily.

A gay colleague at work who used to work in a sauna and has sex and chemsex with over 400 gay men without a condom whilst on PREP has never had any serious STDs.

So an escort who has had hepatitis jabs and is on PREP is probably quite safe except for syphilis which is uncommon and HPV which is common. Both of which are treatable with a quick round of antibiotics and will turn up immediately on an std check which they will get regularly.

Syphilis usually is spread through direct contact with a sore, so screening a client and saying no if there are any obvious signs may reduce the likelihood of catching it.

I am sure the advice from sex clinics to sex workers is practical and designed to keep them safe and stop the spread of disease in the community.

I have never sought bareback but always like OWO and CIM.

[Doc Holliday]

So an escort who has had hepatitis jabs and is on PREP is probably quite safe except for syphilis which is uncommon and HPV which is common. Both of which are treatable with a quick round of antibiotics and will turn up immediately on an std check which they will get regularly.

HPV is a virus and not treated with antibiotics. You have forgotten Gonorrhea which is increasing in prevalence significantly and is becoming difficult to treat with antibiotics. This is what most punters will succumb to through OWO. Syphilis is also increasing, predominantly in MSM. Yes it will be picked up with testing and can be treated, but means both parties need to be tested regularly not just the SP 

[SilverN]

HPV is a virus and not treated with antibiotics. You have forgotten Gonorrhea which is increasing in prevalence significantly and is becoming difficult to treat with antibiotics. This is what most punters will succumb to through OWO. Syphilis is also increasing, predominantly in MSM. Yes it will be picked up with testing and can be treated, but means both parties need to be tested regularly not just the SP 

Apologies and you are right on HPV but it's the same as getting a cold sore and isn't serious IMHO.

Gonorrhea whilst unpleasant can be treated, the UK are trying to stop people overusing antibiotics and have heard scare stories of super strains of gonorrhea

[Doc Holliday]

Apologies and you are right on HPV but it's the same as getting a cold sore and isn't serious IMHO.

Both are viral infections but you do know HPV can be linked to cancer?

Gonorrhea whilst unpleasant can be treated, the UK are trying to stop people overusing antibiotics and have heard scare stories of super strains of gonorrhea

They are not scare stories. Antibiotic resistance is an issue. There is very little in the way of development of new antibiotics, mainly because it just not economically viable for the pharma industry.

[8MillionDollarMan]

There will also be punters on here who slam the BB guys but secretly bareback prossies themselves.
Plenty of prossies claim they don't bareback but do either under the counter or to regular clients.

Simple answer is look after your own health 

No doubt your 1st point is true but I've never been offered BB not even a hint of it.

[myothernameis]

There will also be punters on here who slam the BB guys but secretly bareback prossies themselves.
Plenty of prossies claim they don't bareback but do either under the counter or to regular clients.

Barebacking has been around, from the beginning of time, but now its more prolific and online, like various BB sites

For me punting in the 80's and visiting a number of massage parlors, it was known that some girls would bareback with regular punters.  Now this bit just shows you the tolerance of the owners, who would turn a blind eye, as the girl doing this might be a popular girl with the punters, so all down to money and there cut

I have only known of one girl who got told not to come back to any of the massage parlors in Glasgow, and it wasn't for barebacking, it was for taking drugs on the premises

Massage parlors in Glasgow soon closed down by the police, so had to rely in the daily/sunday sport for tel-no, so had to say what went on here.

Now comes AW, and escorts clearly advertise bareback, and they get bookings, but escorts and punters must think they will be immune from catching something, but it only takes one moment, to ruin your life

[puntingking]

I thought HIV was the worst one to catch. It is due to this that I currently refuse Bareback. Are their others stis and stds that are just as bad as HIV?
To my knowledge all the others are very treatable and are not life changing or life long. While HIV is life long and to some extend is life changing. This is why PREP is a massive game changer for many people who either enjoy casual sex or are wgs.

Herpes for instant is life long but it is not severe.

am I wrong on this? 

[alabama1]

I thought HIV was the worst one to catch. It is due to this that I currently refuse Bareback. Are their others stis and stds that are just as bad as HIV?
To my knowledge all the others are very treatable and are not life changing or life long. While HIV is life long and to some extend is life changing. This is why PREP is a massive game changer for many people who either enjoy casual sex or are wgs.

Herpes for instant is life long but it is not severe.

am I wrong on this? 

So you will be partaking again at some point 

[DastardlyDick]

I think in some cases BB is on the girls AW profile due to a limited understanding of English terminology, not because they actually offer it or, indeed, are prepared to do it. There are, of course, exceptions to this either because the girl doesn't  control her profile, or she's decided to risk a dose of something nasty to make money..
Like many on here, I have never done BB with an SP and have never been offered it - I'm not condemning anyone for their lifestyle choices - but any girl who has it on their profile will not be getting a visit from me.

[puntingking]

So you will be partaking again at some point 

It depends whether or not i feel safe to do it. Also i dont feel the need to partake in bareback besides the safety aspect.

Bareback is not a must but owo & dfk is if seeing a full service wg.

[puntingking]

I think in some cases BB is on the girls AW profile due to a limited understanding of English terminology, not because they actually offer it or, indeed, are prepared to do it. There are, of course, exceptions to this either because the girl doesn't  control her profile, or she's decided to risk a dose of something nasty to make money..
Like many on here, I have never done BB with an SP and have never been offered it - I'm not condemning anyone for their lifestyle choices - but any girl who has it on their profile will not be getting a visit from me.

You also get wgs who do bareback in secret and is not on the aw enjoy list.

[alabama1]

It depends whether or not i feel safe to do it. Also i dont feel the need to partake in bareback besides the safety aspect.

Bareback is not a must but owo & dfk is if seeing a full service wg.

I am glad that you do not punt in the midlands, or do you ? And hope that enough WG's here see this post and spread the word , and blacklist you.

[Taxidriver1111]

It seems more and more girls are offering bb. 8% of all girls on aw offer it on there profile. A girl who was on my hotlist changed her likes list, to offer bb. She is now blocked.

We have probably all seen someone who has seen someone who has been with a bb. That's a worry

[Strawberry]

It seems more and more girls are offering bb. 8% of all girls on aw offer it on there profile. A girl who was on my hotlist changed her likes list, to offer bb. She is now blocked.

We have probably all seen someone who has seen someone who has been with a bb. That's a worry

We are all in a network makes it more important you keep protected & tested, take personal responsibility. I have recently been asked to 'grind' unprotected (my labia/pussy area on bare cock), answer was "No", I do offer kissing and OWO - that is my risk and I always have oral swabs as part of STI screening, it's more difficult for punters to obtain this level of testing.

[hendrix]

We are all in a network makes it more important you keep protected & tested, take personal responsibility. I have recently been asked to 'grind' unprotected (my labia/pussy area on bare cock), answer was "No", I do offer kissing and OWO - that is my risk and I always have oral swabs as part of STI screening, it's more difficult for punters to obtain this level of testing.

I tell the clinic I suck cock and they always give me throat swabs.

[jamiekinkxxx]

You also get wgs who do bareback in secret and is not on the aw enjoy list.

Note to self: Do not punt with anyone PuntingKing has seen

[jamiekinkxxx]

I thought HIV was the worst one to catch. It is due to this that I currently refuse Bareback. Are their others stis and stds that are just as bad as HIV?
To my knowledge all the others are very treatable and are not life changing or life long. While HIV is life long and to some extend is life changing. This is why PREP is a massive game changer for many people who either enjoy casual sex or are wgs.

Herpes for instant is life long but it is not severe.

am I wrong on this? 

This is my main point.... you are a self confessed BB'er.... your naivety / lack of knowledge / blasé attitude amazes me 

STD Vs. STI
The first difference between STDs and STIs is in the name. STD stands for sexually transmitted disease, whereas STI means sexually transmitted infection. Essentially, the difference is between a disease and an infection.

Not all diseases begin with infections, but many do. Sexually transmitted disease first begin as sexually transmitted infections. Infection occurs with the sexually transmitted bacteria or virus first enters the body and begins multiplying.

Once the sexually transmitted bacteria or viruses have entered the body, the infection may progress into a disease. Disease occurs when this foreign presence officially disrupts the body’s normal functions and processes.

Origins of the Terms
Another reason for the emergence of the term STI is due to stigma. Terms like venereal disease and sexually transmitted disease have existed for so long that they have a bad connotation.

Already, venereal disease was changed out for sexually transmitted disease. Now, many people prefer to use the term sexually transmitted infection. Perhaps in another 50 years, there will be another term introduced.

Both venereal disease and sexually transmitted disease use the term “disease.” This seems to be the catalyst for the bad connotation. In contract, the term “infection” does not garner as much negativity. This is possibly due to the perception that an infection is less serious or severe.

Of course, STD and STI aren’t really interchangeable. However, even doctors are using STI instead of STD. Sometimes stigma can be just as harmful as a disease.

As for Herpes it is as you say, very much for life, BUT when it 'flairs' up it can be severe! Again do your research, esp as you are a BB'er!

[MLawro93]

Apologies and you are right on HPV but it's the same as getting a cold sore and isn't serious IMHO.

Gonorrhea whilst unpleasant can be treated, the UK are trying to stop people overusing antibiotics and have heard scare stories of super strains of gonorrhea

Currently the standard treatment for gonorrhea is intramuscular ceftriaxone, however, there are strains that are antibiotic resistant and this presents a public health crisis as there aren't many effective treatments remaining, which is concerning when prevalence is increasing.

HPV is serious, as it has long term implications, given its relationship with cervical, throat, and mouth cancers. There is a reason why there is an active vaccine programme, which has extended to teenage boys as well. With bisexual men under the age of 45 being offered the jab as well.

[myothernameis]

but any girl who has it on their profile will not be getting a visit from me.

AW Feedback leaves a trail behind, and can also link escorts who dont have BB listed on there profile, but because of feedback inked to punters, maybe

Trail = Escort BB -  Feedback from punters who BB - This punter and 4 others, see escorts who doesn't have BB listed - Feedback from other punters linked to other escorts who BB

[JustaPunter]

Apologies and you are right on HPV but it's the same as getting a cold sore and isn't serious IMHO.

Gonorrhea whilst unpleasant can be treated, the UK are trying to stop people overusing antibiotics and have heard scare stories of super strains of gonorrhea

HPV is not like a Cold Sore

HPV causes genital warts

A Cold Sore is type of Herpes.

[JustaPunter]

This is my main point.... you are a self confessed BB'er.... your naivety / lack of knowledge / blasé attitude amazes me 

STD Vs. STI
The first difference between STDs and STIs is in the name. STD stands for sexually transmitted disease, whereas STI means sexually transmitted infection. Essentially, the difference is between a disease and an infection.

Not all diseases begin with infections, but many do. Sexually transmitted disease first begin as sexually transmitted infections. Infection occurs with the sexually transmitted bacteria or virus first enters the body and begins multiplying.

Once the sexually transmitted bacteria or viruses have entered the body, the infection may progress into a disease. Disease occurs when this foreign presence officially disrupts the body’s normal functions and processes.

Origins of the Terms
Another reason for the emergence of the term STI is due to stigma. Terms like venereal disease and sexually transmitted disease have existed for so long that they have a bad connotation.

Already, venereal disease was changed out for sexually transmitted disease. Now, many people prefer to use the term sexually transmitted infection. Perhaps in another 50 years, there will be another term introduced.

Both venereal disease and sexually transmitted disease use the term “disease.” This seems to be the catalyst for the bad connotation. In contract, the term “infection” does not garner as much negativity. This is possibly due to the perception that an infection is less serious or severe.

Of course, STD and STI aren’t really interchangeable. However, even doctors are using STI instead of STD. Sometimes stigma can be just as harmful as a disease.

As for Herpes it is as you say, very much for life, BUT when it 'flairs' up it can be severe! Again do your research, esp as you are a BB'er!

Naive?

You’re the one that things HPV can be treated with antibiotics and is the same as a Cold Sore/Herpes

[jamiekinkxxx]

Naive?

You’re the one that things HPV can be treated with antibiotics and is the same as a Cold Sore/Herpes

Where on earth have I said that HPV can be treated that way?! 

You are mistaken! That was SilverN NOT me!

[Rose_128]

Sad to say people are less scared these days. Especially the younger generations who may have received HPV vaccines and think they are gods.

I am the generation who missed the vaccine by many many years because at that time it wasn't even on the market, and I am well aware of how much damage high risk HPV can cause to women ( cervical cancer or laser treatments etc. ). So using condoms is necessary.

Problem is Gardasil doesn't protect from every strain anyway. And the later you take it the less of an effect it has as you would have already been exposed to HPV from just having sex with a long term monogamous partner. So that's for HPV.

Two months ago I went to DSE to get a Hep B booster and when they did assessment of my activities they offered me to be on PREP. I said I didn't want it because I was only doing owo and dont bareback, good quality condoms and lube are a must. She said to me they routinely offer it to escorts. I wasn't happy to hear this because I felt it was encouraging risky behaviour. Only just ten years ago something like this wasn't available. I don't agre me with Prep being dished out unless someone had a condom accident or has been subject to violence, but times have changed I guess.

Problem is it's easy to blacklist someone when you find out they have seen a barebacker or been barebacking.......but what if you don't know? In the trade you cannot know what people are doing when they aren't seeing you. When there is evidence then you can at least make an informed decision, but what if there isn't any? Many escorts would have seen barebackers without knowing or really, wanting to. It's just how it is. There isn't any contract and nobody is answerable to anybody.. I feel saddened by some of the posts but what can you do?

All you can do is to avoid the ones you know about and look after yourself as much as you can, and take minimal risks. Owo is still a risk for stds and throat cancer albeit the alarm hasn't been raised yet to the point of completely putting people off. But I did read somewhere once that some escorts were diagnosed with throat cancer. Unless they also smoked and drank spirits then it would have only come from years or owo.

It's possible in a few years time throat cancer cases related to high risk HPV will rise to the point where only a small amount of escorts will be willing to offer owo. We shall see but yeah.

[puntingking]

Sad to say people are less scared these days. Especially the younger generations who may have received HPV vaccines and think they are gods.

I am the generation who missed the vaccine by many many years because at that time it wasn't even on the market, and I am well aware of how much damage high risk HPV can cause to women ( cervical cancer or laser treatments etc. ). So using condoms is necessary.

Problem is Gardasil doesn't protect from every strain anyway. And the later you take it the less of an effect it has as you would have already been exposed to HPV from just having sex with a long term monogamous partner. So that's for HPV.

Two months ago I went to DSE to get a Hep B booster and when they did assessment of my activities they offered me to be on PREP. I said I didn't want it because I was only doing owo and dont bareback, good quality condoms and lube are a must. She said to me they routinely offer it to escorts. I wasn't happy to hear this because I felt it was encouraging risky behaviour. Only just ten years ago something like this wasn't available. I don't agre me with Prep being dished out unless someone had a condom accident or has been subject to violence, but times have changed I guess.

Problem is it's easy to blacklist someone when you find out they have seen a barebacker or been barebacking.......but what if you don't know? In the trade you cannot know what people are doing when they aren't seeing you. When there is evidence then you can at least make an informed decision, but what if there isn't any? Many escorts would have seen barebackers without knowing or really, wanting to. It's just how it is. There isn't any contract and nobody is answerable to anybody.. I feel saddened by some of the posts but what can you do?

All you can do is to avoid the ones you know about and look after yourself as much as you can, and take minimal risks. Owo is still a risk for stds and throat cancer albeit the alarm hasn't been raised yet to the point of completely putting people off. But I did read somewhere once that some escorts were diagnosed with throat cancer. Unless they also smoked and drank spirits then it would have only come from years or owo.

It's possible in a few years time throat cancer cases related to high risk HPV will rise to the point where only a small amount of escorts will be willing to offer owo. We shall see but yeah.

does it not matter if someone does bareback or not and wants to see you also. As Long as you are having sex with them protected then it would not matter if they see or does bareback. 

[puntingking]

So you will be partaking again at some point 

highly unlikely

[puntingking]

I am glad that you do not punt in the midlands, or do you ? And hope that enough WG's here see this post and spread the word , and blacklist you.

for 1, this forum is private therefore wgs won't know my informtation to blacklist me.
for 2, I don't do bareback but I cannot say i wont ever do bareback.
for 3, if your wg does bareback with anyother client and did protected sex with you then you would be ok anyway 

[Rose_128]

does it not matter if someone does bareback or not and wants to see you also. As Long as you are having sex with them protected then it would not matter if they see or does bareback. 

You need to read again. What I said is it does matter when I know. And when I don't know and there is no way to find out then what? What about Tinder?? Shall I treat everyone like a barebacker? I wonder why you are even saying you are prepared to bareback, the only person you should bareback with is a long term monogamous partner but it's your life and people can do what they want I guess.

[puntingking]

This is my main point.... you are a self confessed BB'er.... your naivety / lack of knowledge / blasé attitude amazes me 

STD Vs. STI
The first difference between STDs and STIs is in the name. STD stands for sexually transmitted disease, whereas STI means sexually transmitted infection. Essentially, the difference is between a disease and an infection.

Not all diseases begin with infections, but many do. Sexually transmitted disease first begin as sexually transmitted infections. Infection occurs with the sexually transmitted bacteria or virus first enters the body and begins multiplying.

Once the sexually transmitted bacteria or viruses have entered the body, the infection may progress into a disease. Disease occurs when this foreign presence officially disrupts the body’s normal functions and processes.

Origins of the Terms
Another reason for the emergence of the term STI is due to stigma. Terms like venereal disease and sexually transmitted disease have existed for so long that they have a bad connotation.

Already, venereal disease was changed out for sexually transmitted disease. Now, many people prefer to use the term sexually transmitted infection. Perhaps in another 50 years, there will be another term introduced.

Both venereal disease and sexually transmitted disease use the term “disease.” This seems to be the catalyst for the bad connotation. In contract, the term “infection” does not garner as much negativity. This is possibly due to the perception that an infection is less serious or severe.

Of course, STD and STI aren’t really interchangeable. However, even doctors are using STI instead of STD. Sometimes stigma can be just as harmful as a disease.

As for Herpes it is as you say, very much for life, BUT when it 'flairs' up it can be severe! Again do your research, esp as you are a BB'er!

I don't do bareback. Not sure what gave you the impression that I did.
However what I said is that i can't say I will never do bareback. who knows whats round the corner? I may fall in love or they may be a miracle pill that prevents all stds and stis in the future 

I am a open minded person. However at this precise time I DO NOT DO BAREBACK

[Rose_128]

I don't do bareback. Not sure what gave you the impression that I did.
However what I said is that i can't say I will never do bareback. who knows whats round the corner? I may fall in love or they may be a miracle pill that prevents all stds and stis in the future 

I am a open minded person. However at this precise time I DO NOT DO BAREBACK

Bravo. If you fall in love and are in a long term exclusive relationship and both are tested before action starts then you don't even need any magic pill....

[puntingking]

Note to self: Do not punt with anyone PuntingKing has seen

none of my reviews suggest bareback. so not sure what you are getting at

[Rose_128]

The problem is people can review whoever they want and not review whoever they don't want....I only went by what you posted here. Maybe your posts were misread.

[Doc Holliday]

Two months ago I went to DSE to get a Hep B booster and when they did assessment of my activities they offered me to be on PREP. I said I didn't want it because I was only doing owo and dont bareback, good quality condoms and lube are a must. She said to me they routinely offer it to escorts. I wasn't happy to hear this because I felt it was encouraging risky behaviour.

I am very surprised at that. There is scope in the guidelines to assess each case individually, but being a sex worker alone does not really fit unless there is also condomless penetrative sex. (see below) I would tend to agree with you that such prescribing encourages risky behaviour. I would be interested to know if other SP's have been offered this at clinics?

In addition and I have posted this many times before Hep B Boosters are also not required, yet it seems GUM clinics still do so. It is an example of the NHS not sticking to guidelines and providing unnecessary treatment paid for by the taxpayer.

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[Rose_128]

I am very surprised at that. There is scope in the guidelines to assess each case individually, but being a sex worker alone does not really fit unless there is also condomless penetrative sex. (see below) I would tend to agree with you that such prescribing encourages risky behaviour. I would be interested to know if other SP's have been offered this at clinics?

In addition and I have posted this many times before Hep B Boosters are also not required, yet it seems GUM clinics still do so. It is an example of the NHS not sticking to guidelines and providing unnecessary treatment paid for by the taxpayer.

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Yes it shocked me kind of. She said it very casually as well. Maybe they assume you don't care about yourself, you drink and don't know what is going on, you have ton of condom breaks etc. Well this is not my case and they are dishing it out like candies and they don't even know what the long term effects of being on Prep are like towards your liver or kidneys. It's not been around for that long.

And this was the first time I was ever offered it at DSE as well. I guess they are very HIV wired. Could be just the stigma/myths towards escorts.

[Strawberry]

I am very surprised at that. There is scope in the guidelines to assess each case individually, but being a sex worker alone does not really fit unless there is also condomless penetrative sex. (see below) I would tend to agree with you that such prescribing encourages risky behaviour. I would be interested to know if other SP's have been offered this at clinics?

In addition and I have posted this many times before Hep B Boosters are also not required, yet it seems GUM clinics still do so. It is an example of the NHS not sticking to guidelines and providing unnecessary treatment paid for by the taxpayer.

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I haven't been offered PREP I have heard of sex workers being prescribed it, but I do not have any factual accounts only hearsay. Regards Hep B the clinic I use does periodically decide my immunity is too low and give me a booster, hep b immunity is included in the suite of tests offered to me during my routine screening.

[Rose_128]

It varies from clinic to clinic. I usually do SHL and I am pretty sure if you tick that you drink, take drugs, bareback etc. they would offer you prep as well.

Dean Street are just "obsessed" with HIV because it was originally opened to tackle the rising cases in London amongst the Soho gay community. Maybe they assume a lot of punters bareback too, or have sex with other men and escorts will be exposed to this risk as a result. I only go because of quick results as I feel they don't cater for escorts as much as they once used to.

But they are still ace in terms of speedy results and they are now offering appointments to anyone, with much shorter waiting time. So if anyone wants to get tested via Dean Street, they can offer them an appointment regardless of being in the sex industry or not.

[Rose_128]

I haven't been offered PREP I have heard of sex workers being prescribed it, but I do not have any factual accounts only hearsay. Regards Hep B the clinic I use does periodically decide my immunity is too low and give me a booster, hep b immunity is included in the suite of tests offered to me during my routine screening.

Yes when I went to Dean Street for a blood test ( I can't stand needles anywhere near me I have to say ) so that's always something that makes me feel unwell. Then they sent me a text few hours later all okay but Hep B immunity low and that I need to make a follow up. I didn't have time to do it immediately so I left it a month or so and then the nurse tells me the body has got a memory of some sort and doesn't need it. But she told me that after the injection. Had I known before I would have said no thank you. Plus the costs if it's really not needed. Same as Prep. How much does that cost to give it to people who don't really need it. And the long term affects what.

[Doc Holliday]

Regards Hep B the clinic I use does periodically decide my immunity is too low and give me a booster, hep b immunity is included in the suite of tests offered to me during my routine screening.

I know Ruth and we have had this conversation before and I always post the same link 

There is no indication for repeated antibody testing beyond the immunization schedule apart from healthcare and laboratory workers as part of occupational health/HSE requirements. There is no need for a booster other than a five year one for that same group. This has been this way for quite a number of years, yet Sexual Health Services seem to still go against the guidelines?

There may also be some immuno-compromised groups who may require a different protocol.

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I didn't have time to do it immediately so I left it a month or so and then the nurse tells me the body has got a memory of some sort and doesn't need it. But she told me that after the injection.

It's good to hear at least one staff member is clued up. Shame it was after the event.

[Strawberry]

Yes when I went to Dean Street for a blood test ( I can't stand needles anywhere near me I have to say ) so that's always something that makes me feel unwell. Then they sent me a text few hours later all okay but Hep B immunity low and that I need to make a follow up. I didn't have time to do it immediately so I left it a month or so and then the nurse tells me the body has got a memory of some sort and doesn't need it. But she told me that after the injection. Had I known before I would have said no thank you. Plus the costs if it's really not needed. Same as Prep. How much does that cost to give it to people who don't really need it. And the long term affects what.

My thoughts too based on zero medical training my logic says if it's that effective at preventing HIV getting a toe in, when else is it doing? I know that is based on knowing nothing but a barrier e.g. condom seems safer on balance.