Price Increases, what's your views ??

[Mansell]

There have been some price increases laterley and as Anth G said way back here

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=67818.msg863483#msg863483

He predicted that this would happen once Diamonds started.

What are peoples views on this ??

[AnthG]

What are peoples views on this ??

I am not sure what other views there can be on this....It's more money for the exact same thing. So how can that be anything other than bad?

When George Osbourne introduced the sugar tax a fortnight ago, most of the country had a massive fit. And that just means cans of coke will go up by 10p as a result.

This job is pretty much 100% profit, and that's a lot of profit at £100 per hour. There is no reason whatsoever for the prices to go up other than oneupmanship

Diamonds clearly did it as they were completely losing any girl wanting to be on their books because quite frankly both Amour and Allure were blowing them out of the water and Diamonds became terrrible.

So as a result Diamonds as a last ditch move did this rate increase as a desperate means to get any girl to join them.

Then however Allure had this thing were June had a massive falling out with Alli. And June wanted to setup her own agency in rival of Allure. So clearly what happened there was June thought to herself, nobody will want to join me in Premium when they could just stick with Allure and be with the established agency. So once again like Diamonds she thought I will get them to switch by upping the prices.

Now Diamonds, Premium are doing it. And now the girls in the region are upping them to that new going rate too.

Like I say it is so obvious Allure and Amour will follow suit too. £100 an hour is a lot of money for people who do not have it to throw around. So any price increase is bad.

[Mansell]

I think you are right in your summary of the Agency side Anth, but the bit I could never understand is the Romanian AW girls who were often charging £ 120 / hr. Yes I fell for it once and went to see one, but wouldn't again.

It's been said before it's a funny market as price seems often to bear no comparrison to quality. As example above, my one Neutral review was almost my most expensive punt  OK, more fool me, but you see what I am saying ? It make sense to pay more and get better, so will things sort themselves out this year ??

[OscarC]

Now Diamonds, Allure are doing it. And now the girls in the region are upping them to that new going rate too.

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Allure still list their rates as £50/30 mins.

[AnthG]

And taken from the other topic to keep it all here.

Anthg theirs ladies been charging more than that for ages, you've got a choice pay it or don't
Everyone has their own budget & what they are willing to pay, I've paid £110 for my last three bookings & still will if I want to see that lady

That is not the point in discussion here, the point is, like I say. It seems to be the crossroads of this becoming the normal rate in the North East. So there is no way to have a "choice to pay it or don't" if everywhere and everyone suddenly moves to this being the standard rate.

I remember back in the early 90s. And VHS tapes were all £9.99 RRP. And then all of a sudden one Video tape was released at £14.99 (Crocodile Dundee 2) and all the video magazines said. "Whatever you do, don't buy Crocodile Dundee 2 at this price or this will become the normal RRP for VHS tapes". All the magazines had an unofficial pact going on to say this. They refused to offer any advertisements of the film in their mags and all sorts to try their best to stop the impending price increases and all sorts they feared all due to Crocodile Dundee 2 coming out at £14.99 (I am just going on a bit of a tangent there, but I still remember it now almost 30 years later - so you can tell from that, this is how much I hate price increases. I even still have those magazines from the time somewhere ).

But the result, everyone ignored this and bought Crocodile Dundee 2 and it was the highest selling VHS on release. The result the next tape came out at £14.99 RRP, and people bought this and sooner or later the standard price for buying a VHS all the way till DVD's came out was £14.99. And no tape was sold at £9.99.

Then what happened. DVD's came out at £19.99 RRP in 1997 to one up on VHS's. But people didn't buy them (at that time). So the price dropped to £17.99 RRP for DVDs. And then again to £11.99 and this is when people started mass buying them.

My point is, if people had of just listened to the warnings and not bought Crocodile Dundee 2. VHS would have remained at £9.99. And because people didn't buy DVD's at £19.99 the prices dropped.

[AnthG]

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Allure still list their rates as £50/30 mins.

Sorry, I meant Premium. Have still had time to change my post so have now done.

[Mansell]

That is not the point in discussion here, the point is, like I say. It seems to be the crossroads of this becoming the normal rate in the North East. So there is no way to have a "choice to pay it or don't" if everywhere and everyone suddenly moves to this being the standard rate.

I think you might be right. But am I right in thinking that it has been £ 50 & £ 100 for quiet a long time ?? ie 10 years plus !

If price reflected quality I can see some sense, but that doesn't seem to be the case in general.

[Rod trotter]

I punt quality and selectively ...if it costs me a bit more the fair enough.

The only way punters can do anything is stop punting!

Its has been £50 for a long time and its still available aka amber at amour who was fucking tremendous.

Look lads im no fan of it but if they all do it you have 2 choices.

As long as they dont go to £65 or i will go ape

[AnthG]

The only way punters can do anything is stop punting!

Actually we kind of do have other things in our belt.

For one, for example, everyone in the north east could say as a pact. We will only book girls from Allure and Amour and none from Premium until they drop their prices to match the going rate.

And same goes with regards to Diamonds we could say, we will only book those girls down as £50/£100 and none of those at £60/£110 on Diamonds books.

The agency owners will soon get the message when their booking numbers suddenly drop.

And also, UKP is big enough where if all/most/many the readers agreed to do this. We could have a vote with our feet effect to persuade Premium to drop their prices.

I am not saying don't ever use them again. I am saying, just agree to stop using them for a period until they drop their prices.

I also appreciate a load of the really fit girls are on Premiums books at the moment (I personally really like the look of Summer, Ivy, Kiera and Ruby all on their site). But booking them at £100 is better than booking at £110 which easily could be soon possible due to the above

[Boob_lover98]

Haven't read this in detail but I'm not sure why agencies charge a flat rate when some girls are better looking, better attitude, better service than others. All cars don't cost the same price do they. I know that won't be a popular perspective as it would potentially price some people out but the upside is the girls who don't look after themselves and offer a decent service might Buck their ideas up. I'm currently in Glasgow and the going rate seems to be £80 hh.  I punt quite a bit, maybe four to six hh sessions a month, but if eighty was the going rate I'd wrap it in on the drop of a hat. There's quite a bit of choice up here, especially compared to Teesside, but I'm going without - not paying £80 to an unknown quantity.

[Tiger63]

If they want to keep punters then they have to charge market price.....seems to me £100/ 120 ph is about the normal.....I wouldn't be paying any more....no matter who she is.
There's plenty of choice out there for us and if certain  girls  seem to be getting greedy then it's time to take action.

[Mansell]

If they want to keep punters then they have to charge market price.....seems to me £100/ 120 ph is about the normal.....I wouldn't be paying any more....no matter who she is.

That's my feel for it as well Tiger, I did once pay £ 130, but whilst she was good, wasn't better than £ 100 girl, so never went back. So like you I have got a ceiling of £ 60 / 30 mins & £ 120 / hr which I just won't go over.

[AnthG]

I'm not sure why agencies charge a flat rate when some girls are better looking, better attitude, better service than others. All cars don't cost the same price do they. I know that won't be a popular perspective as it would potentially price some people out but the upside is the girls who don't look after themselves and offer a decent service might Buck their ideas up.

I appreciate I am kind of going off on one in this topic. But again using the movies analogy. Buying Citizen Kane on Blu-ray costs the same as buying Police Academy on Blu-Ray. And as it should.

Many people say that Citizen Kane is the greatest film ever made. You are not going to ever get that with Police Academy.

But there will still be many people out there, myself included, who would rather chuck on Police Academy to watch for a fun 90mins than watching Citizen Kane. Other people out there again will think Citizen Kane is boring drivel and PA is a laugh a minute mindless fun. So the prices are the same for both regardless.

And its the same with the girls. Personally speaking I thought Vicky Diamond was the fittest girl I had ever seen, literally. But she got negative reviews from people and it was only ever me who raved about her nobody else. Other people rave about Mia, and others Tori Taylor. Others don't and others wouldn't want to book any of the three of them.

Furthermore, two of my least fun bookings in my entire punting career was with two girls heralded as Gods in the North East by quite literally every other punter who ever seen them (Savannah and Grace from Diamonds).

The point is, people go for different things. So who is to say one girl is fit. And should charge the 'fit rate' and another girl is not and should charge the 'unfit rate'. They should all charge the same. And that is £50/£100. And not do things of "I am fitter, so I will charge more".

[rthunderbird]

I remember not so long ago when Tori was proudly touting her £50/half hour rate, saying she didn't want to nor was going to change it. And even she has fell in line with the new pricing brackets. So all it now becomes is a simple choice to pay or to not pay.

[Rod trotter]

Anth is not your decision im afraid.

If i hadnt paid the £60 to see Ivy id never have had probably one of my top 2 punts.

Anth to go on a crusade and have all these little rules you have is getting rather tedious and simply wont stop blokes paying what they wanna pay.

Its simple to say stop using them but who the fuck is gonna take any notice im sorry.trade will determine prices theres no other argument than just dont pay it.

Punters have the upperhand cos we pay, good luck with it but it comes over as childish tbh.

[chriss1985]

I personally find police academy 4 the greatest film ever and anyone who disagrees is a philistine

[AnthG]

Anth is not your decision im afraid.

If i hadnt paid the £60 to see Ivy id never have had probably one of my top 2 punts.

Anth to go on a crusade and have all these little rules you have is getting rather tedious and simply wont stop blokes paying what they wanna pay.

Its simple to say stop using them but who the fuck is gonna take any notice im sorry.trade will determine prices theres no other argument than just dont pay it.

Punters have the upperhand cos we pay, good luck with it but it comes over as childish tbh.

Obviously it's not my decision. What I am saying is, if many punters agreed to do this. Then clearly change would come about.

I thought this point was clear from my posts above to be honest.

In terms of who will take notice, to be honest, I kind of assumed it would not be a minority opinion that price increases are poor for the north east and trying to deter them from coming about. I cannot possibly be the only person bothered about this?

[Looking4fun]

Anth mate your doing what you do(not knocking you for it) but in my opinion you copied my post from another thread but noticed you didn't copy the other part, my last 3 bookings have been £110 for an hour, yes I thought she was value for money as has any other member that's seen her,
If you went to work & asked your manager for a rise would he turn round to you & say your being greedy, you've been getting paid the same money an hour for ten years what's changed now?
Ladies can charge what they want it's always the punters choice to pay it.
As for the reference to Alli & June's allure split you probably don't know the facts, so you shouldn't really speculate on it
Juney has been in the industry a long time, it's hardly a surprise she set up an agency, it's unlikely she was ever going to go into any other profession, from what I've heard it's had little impact on Allure so both agencies are doing well at the moment

[Looking4fun]

Oh forget to mention the extra money premium charges goes to the girls mate, this was confirmed by 2 of the ladies I've seen, that's why she's attracting new & established ladies to the agency

[chriss1985]

Actually thinking about it, #3 Back in training was pretty decent as well. I need to think on this.

[Rod trotter]

Anth if your wee princess  Vicky charged £60 per half hour or £110/120 and these were the only length of bookings shed take , coming back from wherever shes gone.....

Would you pay it ????

[AnthG]

Oh forget to mention the extra money premium charges goes to the girls mate, this was confirmed by 2 of the ladies I've seen, that's why she's attracting new & established ladies to the agency

Which again was my point. It appears the way Premium are making girls move to them is due to upping the rates from the regions standard.

The problem is, all the fit girls in the region are leaving the other agencies and joining Premium.

Thus every punter pays £60/£110 to punt the fit girls over and over. Both Allure and Amour will soon have no choice but in the hope of attracting fit girls to their books like Premium does, is to match their and up the rates to £60/£110.

Thus the whole of the north east becomes £60 for 30mins and £110 for an hour. That is the unfortunate fact from all of this.

Whether the money goes to the girls or to the agency is to be totally honest not really important to me as the paying custimer paying that extra.

When I buy something, anything; a TV a console game a film. It does not matter to me how much goes to the supermarket, or to the game studio or to those individual designers of the game. As the buyer I still pay the same.

[Looking4fun]

Tell me the top girls that have joined premium from other agencies?
My 2 best punts were a lady returning to the business & a total new girl

[AnthG]

Anth if your wee princess  Vicky charged £60 per half hour or £110/120 and these were the only length of bookings shed take , coming back from wherever shes gone.....

Would you pay it ????

Yes, but I would moan like hell about it

Probably one of the reasons why she chose to run off in the first place I guess, as I did that last time. It is just the case that I am not no Denyason with money to flash around willy-nilly trying to impress.  I am frugal with everything in life as a punt takes a lot out of my monthly income.

Plus to compound this I foolishly believed the hype a couple of months back and paid £150 for an hour thinking it would be better punt to cheer me up after a few disasters before it. And it was a completely bland mediocre punt. So price does not mean more equals getting better service.

Tell me the top girls that have joined premium from other agencies?
My 2 best punts were a lady returning to the business & a total new girl

I took a good month out from the forums so missed it all so I cannot. But my understanding was Summer was on Allures books?

But I can say it seems Ruby and Scarlett have done this in the last week .

*Edit* I will just say, it does seem to the be from the topic so far that I am the only one with any issue with the prospect of the regions general price increases taking place. So will shut up to see if anyone else agrees with me on this. As I am kind of surprised I am the only one perturbed by this prospect to be honest.

[chriss1985]

Right

#5 Miami Beach. That's my final decision and I'll say no more on the matter.

[Rod trotter]

So you would pay cos you want to??

Can you see how hypocritcal that is Anth?

I rest my case

[Looking4fun]

Yes, but I would moan like hell about it

Probably one of the reasons why she chose to run off in the first place I guess, as I did that last time. It is just the case that I am not no Denyason with money to flash around willy-nilly trying to impress.  I am frugal with everything in life as a punt takes a lot out of my monthly income.

Plus to compound this I foolishly believed the hype a couple of months back and paid £150 for an hour thinking it would be better punt to cheer me up after a few disasters before it. And it was a completely bland mediocre punt. So price does not mean more equals getting better service.

I took a good month out from the forums so missed it all so I cannot. But my understanding was Summer was on Allures books?

But I can say it seems Ruby and Scarlett have done this in the last week .

*Edit* I will just say, it does seem to the be from the topic so far that I am the only one with any issue with the prospect of the regions general price increases taking place. So will shut up to see if anyone else agrees with me on this. As I am kind of surprised I am the only one perturbed by this prospect to be honest.

Anth summer never worked for allure she used to work in Stockton , ruby & Scarlett are coming to the north east because they know they'll get more business in the Newcastle area,
I'm not saying I'm over the moon about prices going up, far from it but you'll never stop punters punting, you can't call a strike mate

[Looking4fun]

Hey again everyone!
I have noticed a recent thread regarding myself and @xScarlettx and our decision to join premium escorts. Someone said this is due to premium escorts prices. Can I just say this is not true. I actually charge £10 more indie. I chose to work with @juney at premium-escorts purely for the fact that we did want to continue working for an agency and June was extremely friendly, professional and caring. If I didn't want to work for an agency or was worried about prices then I'd just stay indie. My prices will be LOWER when I start at premium on the 20th. Sorry for the little rant but just wanted to defend myself, my friend and a fab agency xxx
This was posted by Ruby on uke

[AnthG]

So you would pay cos you want to??

Can you see how hypocritcal that is Anth?

I rest my case

Ok one more post

It is more so just a case of you picked the one sole girl that breaks any and all rules for me. For any other girl, literally, I would refuse. You just picked the one, and only one, in my entire punting career that breaks any and all personal rules.

Like you said yourself in another topic, at Christmas time that particular girl messed me over more than most punters ever could have been by a WG. And it's a case of, if she came back to work tomorrow. I would rebook in an instant in full knowledge of this and not care. If any other girl did to me what she did. I would have been seething mad furious.

So I don't think its hypocritical. Just completely sad-bastardy on my behalf as I kind of have an Achilles heel when it comes to that one girl which I fully admit to

Plus to say one final time. All I am saying is have a brief stint of not booking to show as punters we are not happy.

The junior doctors are having regular one-day strikes as they do not want to accept lower wages. The doctors are not quitting as doctors. They are just saying, one day per month we won't come into work solely to show we are not happy.

If every punter in the North East section of UKP said right for one week we all agree we won't book these overpriced girls. A message would be given to them that we are not happy. Yes the individual girls would just say "fine that week I will go on holiday". But the agencies won't, it will hit the agencies and they will see we aren't happy and maybe put it back.

Maybe its a completely mad fucking idea from me. I do not know. Possibly tomorrow I will look back at my post and cringe. But its an idea to try and tackle the issue of punters being stiffed. The whole way brainstorming works is ideas are suggested until a good one comes along. This is mine. Maybe someone else can think of something else better.

Oh forget to mention the extra money premium charges goes to the girls mate, this was confirmed by 2 of the ladies I've seen, that's why she's attracting new & established ladies to the agency

Hey again everyone!
I have noticed a recent thread regarding myself and @xScarlettx and our decision to join premium escorts. Someone said this is due to premium escorts prices. Can I just say this is not true. I actually charge £10 more indie. I chose to work with @juney at premium-escorts purely for the fact that we did want to continue working for an agency and June was extremely friendly, professional and caring. If I didn't want to work for an agency or was worried about prices then I'd just stay indie. My prices will be LOWER when I start at premium on the 20th. Sorry for the little rant but just wanted to defend myself, my friend and a fab agency xxx
This was posted by Ruby on uke

Also with regards to this. And to say, I do not know if this is true. I am just saying what I have just been told by PM by someone just now in response to this topic. And also to say, I am just raising this as it goes against the whole excuse/justification of the price increases. But it seems the same amount goes to the girl out of the £50 at Allure as what goes out of the £60 from Premium. It seems Allure chose to drop their cut of the money they get to compete as opposed to (my fears) of them possibly upping their overall prices to compete. If that's true, I have to admit that is pretty good. And hope Amour do the same too (they likely will, or should if they don't). So no justification in terms of the girls for the price increases at the agencies!

[Rod trotter]

That's my feel for it as well Tiger, I did once pay £ 130, but whilst she was good, wasn't better than £ 100 girl, so never went back. So like you I have got a ceiling of £ 60 / 30 mins & £ 120 / hr which I just won't go over.

This.i just couldnt pay more tbh

[sqlbatsman]

Sounds to me like Anth is talking on behalf of us the punters, but for some reason everyone just wants to shoot him down and support the price increases 

If you think someone is great quality today at £60 (and they were only charging £50 last week) and if they increase the price to £70/hh in 4 months time and other girls follows suit, is it correct that there will all still be guys here defending that £70/hh rate is reasonable?

You are still getting the same excellent service you were getting, but paying £20 more for it than you did 8 months ago. Provided you have a punting budget, lets say £300 a month for example, your 6 half hour punts every month with your favourite girl has just been reduced to 4 half hour punts. So you the punter have had to forcefully reduce your punts, but the girl is still making the same dough, maybe more. Something not quite right about that, not sure how people think that it is acceptable.

I'm of-course talking to those on a punting budget (majority), not the ones with deep pockets who have no need for a budget (small minority).

[Dimond dave]

I suppose it's a case of supply and demand ,,, if,the price hikes up punters will opt for another agency who hasn't moved there price ,,, 

When you look at the bigger picture  if agency's move there price up ,, and the lack of customers is reflected in,this  surelly most punters will go to the ones that offer value for money

[PlasticGeordie]

I am lucky in that all those who I personally consider to be the must see girls at the moment are all at £50/£100.

Francesca - Amour
Jenny/kiara  Same price Agency or Independent
Amelia - Amour
Mia - Independent
Keeva - Independent


I pushed the boat out for Ruby and don't regret a penny of it. Terrific, but her indie prices would have been a put off in the future considering the above so glad her agency prices will be less.

I guess the main agency prices of £50/100 have been in effect for for a good many years so if £60/120 does become the norm I won't complain. But would need to be something special to tempt me above that, at least on a regular basis.

[Looking4fun]

I've said this a few times already on other threads, I go for the girl don't care what agency she works for or wether shes indie, I also pay the price that I'm comfortable with
My most expensive solo booking was Jade heart £130 for a brilliant hour

[Mansell]

Interesting replies so far.

As L4F says above I also go for the specific girl and will book whichever way I have to so I can see her, ie Aw or Agency.
My most expensive was also Jade Heart and whilst she was good, as I said I didn't rate her above the £ 100 girls at the time so didn't go back. But as Anth has said each to our own personal preference.

One aspect of this is working premises and it does seem to be difficult to get and afford good premises these days, certainly the cost of rent in general has gone up over the last 10 years, so has this been the driving force behind girls charging more ? I think it has been a contributing factor, you see them struggling to find somewhere to work as indie, which is why the likes of Diamonds is so popular for the newer girls. Have a read on UKE, there have been quiet a lot of NE girls trying to get premises to be able to go indie, but struggling to find them.

It might be worth paying a bit more to make sure we keep the good girls? Mind I do wish a certain punter hadn't moaned quiet so much about £ 5    we could have had a 10% increase to £ 55, not 20% to £ 60

[AnthG]

Mind I do wish a certain punter hadn't moaned quiet so much about £ 5    we could have had a 10% increase to £ 55, not 20% to £ 60

+100

And we missed the perfect chance of coming off as fucking hero's to the girls from it.

As seriously think of it. The booking rate is £55. But if you went to the cash machine in a dash and could only get £60 and just went to the punt with it. You could then possibly twist it as some smooth talking and say to the girl something like. "Wow, You are so pretty, I will tell you what, here is £60 instead".

Girl is like to herself "Oh that is so nice, he has paid me more than my rate as I am so pretty. I will give him 100% effort in this booking as a result of that. He is so nice for that"

It is the little things in life that work. And that £5 was the best bargaining chip we ever had of securing a good punt from making it be a little subtle compliment to the girl by claiming you are paying that extra just to her. And not because that is what the cash machine just gave out and we didn't have time to get change.

But now it's like,

Punter: "You are so pretty I will pay you £60"
Girl: "Well saying this is my fucking rate, you had better do or you're out the bloody door"

[Inquisitive Male]

Interesting views and comments so far considering I had only made an observation on a ladies positive review that she had just increased her rate by 20% to £60 per half hour. Thanks to Mansell for opening this thread, far better we discuss the issue as a separate topic rather than on the review that had been posted.

Can I also say to AnthG, you are not alone in fearing that the current trend of the increase in rates in the North East becoming the norm, it was really the reason I made the observation last night. It wasn't a criticism of the lady concerned in the review but was just the continuation of Agencies and Independents increasing their rates with no additional benefit to us guys so far this year. Just a case of this is our new rate, pay it and get the same service, or elect not too, and go elsewhere or without.

I actually think that some of AnthG's suggestions have some merit, we are all in the same boat and can work together rather than try and score points off each other, and for us just to continue booking the ladies who have increased their rates is just blind acceptance of their price hike. Of the Agencies, I personally only use Amour and Allure simply because Diamonds, Premium and Gracies charge more, but that is my choice. If everyone did that then the girls at the latter three Agencies would be asking questions of their representatives and we might see their rates fall, but it won't happen and the greater prospect and fear would be that Amour and Allure increase their rates.

Something in this hobby of ours that I have learnt and from comments other guys have experienced too is that 'price doesn't mean or guarantee quality' and I like a lot of guys will visit the lady of my choice,we all have different preferences and tastes and fortunately the North East does provide an excellent selection. Personally I'm not too bothered where the extra money goes too when these rates go up, be it to the girl, the agency, the landlord or their pimp, the simple fact that matters to me is I'M PAYING MORE. I made that observation last night as I thought it a pity that one of the most popular escorts in the North East had raised her rate, 'cheap as chips' was her expression to me, but she does have a tremendous following and I'm sure many other escorts view her popularity with envy but also see her maybe as a market leader and will in turn be tempted to increase their prices too.

With a substantial client base that particular young lady may well reap the benefits of her increase in rate, or be afforded the luxury of working less hours but retain the same level of income, but my concern is that others will see that and think they can charge the same. I was recently in dialogue with a lady at Diamonds who had just increased her rate from £50 to £60 and I pointed out that as she worked just 4 hrs a day, if she found herself without a booking for more than a 45 minute period in the day and that inactivity was attributed to her increased rate, then she would have been better off maintaining her rate at £50 and being busy throughout the period of time she was working that day. My maths fell on stony ground with her, we didn't meet, but she can't of been busy that day as she was sending me emails at regular intervals throughout a period of an hour, so logic doesn't work with the ladies..

So just in case anyone is in any doubt, my flag is nailed to that mast that says opposed to these increases. What about an Agency though who may currently charge £60 per half hour who decide that they have some exceptional ladies or very popular ladies and decide to form a two tier structure, you know a Basic and a VIP service and so they introduce a £70 rate or more. We have already shown our acceptance of their £60 rate by continuing to use them so why not £70 or more, it would give their girls in the Basic category something to aim for, and maybe improve their service. But where do we draw the line? Would we still support an Agency with such a policy? They would promote their innovation which in truth would be nothing more than a means of increasing their prices further.

In my observation on the ladies review last night I did comment that I would go and see my MD about my getting a 20% increase for doing the same job and only working the same hours as I had done this last year. He suggested I go back to my desk keep my head down and lie low, I said that would now cost me £60 a half hour, don't know why but he didn't see the funny side.

[Rod trotter]

So you guys are on strike then 

Good luck

[sqlbatsman]

One aspect of this is working premises and it does seem to be difficult to get and afford good premises these days, certainly the cost of rent in general has gone up over the last 10 years, so has this been the driving force behind girls charging more ? I think it has been a contributing factor, you see them struggling to find somewhere to work as indie, which is why the likes of Diamonds is so popular for the newer girls. Have a read on UKE, there have been quiet a lot of NE girls trying to get premises to be able to go indie, but struggling to find them.

Interesting point, as pretty sure if I was a landlord (I'm not b.t.w.) for a premises used by these girls, then I would want to hike up my rent 20-30% or maybe even more. Why would I not want to profit from them, especially if they are popular. It is following the ethos of a capitalistic economy, you rub my back and I rub yours.

Unfortunately though, while the landlord and the girl (& even the pimp/agency) profit as a result of this, it is us the poor punters that end up on the losing side. 

I understand some will see the girls as irreplaceable and totally worth the new price. But don't mention this here in the forum or to them. Protest in any small way you can. Only this will show that price increases are not taken lightly by the punters. If not anything this will make them think 100 times next time they want to hike up the prices. But the fact that we just accept and move on, will only give them leverage to do this again in near future.

One popular girl recently reduced her prices to 50/100 from 60/120. I'm guessing it was due to lack of custom and not out of her genuine care for the punters wellbeing 

[AnthG]

So you guys are on strike then 

Good luck

I am genuinely curious. Do you have any ideas of what punters could do to try to tackle the standard price for a punt increasing in the region?

[Tiger63]

Does anyone know if any of TTs Hebburn friends also had a price increase ?

[AnthG]

What about an Agency though who may currently charge £60 per half hour who decide that they have some exceptional ladies or very popular ladies and decide to form a two tier structure, you know a Basic and a VIP service and so they introduce a £70 rate or more. We have already shown our acceptance of their £60 rate by continuing to use them so why not £70 or more, it would give their girls in the Basic category something to aim for, and maybe improve their service. But where do we draw the line? Would we still support an Agency with such a policy? They would promote their innovation which in truth would be nothing more than a means of increasing their prices further.

But do you honestly think any working girl in the lower category would start thinking to herself "oh I better up my game here".

No what will happen is she will be utterly convinced she is just as good as those other girls. She will think she is being victimized for some obscure reason nothing to do with her booking performance and she will start getting all catty and all hell will break loose from the in-fighting that will erupt.

It is truly the case of Punters losing a tenner is considered 'just fine'. But try having an agency take an extra tenner off a WG, any WG, it would make the six o'clock news the bitch fighting that would erupt would be so bad. And I think everyone knows this would happen.

One aspect of this is working premises and it does seem to be difficult to get and afford good premises these days, certainly the cost of rent in general has gone up over the last 10 years, so has this been the driving force behind girls charging more ? I think it has been a contributing factor, you see them struggling to find somewhere to work as indie, which is why the likes of Diamonds is so popular for the newer girls. Have a read on UKE, there have been quiet a lot of NE girls trying to get premises to be able to go indie, but struggling to find them.

Come on, if this was all due to their rent increasing on their incall flat that is thus being passed onto us then why is it also a case do those girls who have all upped their rates also have upped their outcall rates by the same percentage too? Petrol money has gone done quite considerably in the last year not gone up!

And plus rent increasing? Seriously! So this means £10 more per punt gets passed on to the punters. How much extra rent are these girls paying? As do the math. If these girls just see (what they all claim) 3 punter per day for working 3 days per week. That is £360 per month extra they are earning.

If your landlord suddenly said "right that's it, start of next month I am putting your rent up by £360 per month extra" any person on this planet would say, "aye right then, I am leaving then, bye, good luck finding someone to rent this place".

Plus while I am on it. I do not believe the whole "I chose to join Juney as she is so nice and friendly, kind and supportive and it just happened to be the case of she runs the most expensive agency in Newcastle" blurb that every girl seems to want to give over why they joined Premium. As if that is the case, why didn't you all join her when she jointly run Allure? According to L4F in this topic none of the girls on Premium switched from Allure. So they have all joined fresh when she setup this agency and didn't join her at Allure.

That response is literally like you do in job interviews when the interviewer says "so why did you leave your last job" or "what interests you in joining us". You give some blurb that you think the interviewer wants to hear and not the real reasons of "because of the money" and "I left because I was about to be sacked". 

Look my stance is, Premium seems like a very nice agency. I also love the layout of their website, and the photos on it are superb too. Its easily my favourite layout of the big four. And also from seeing her posts and chatting with her briefly, June does seem quite a nice person. But it would be nice if the prices could go down to £50/£100 like the other agencies in the region. As she has gained the startup rep she needed and got girls to join. There is no need to keep them at the 'startup rate'

And while on the subject. Diamonds, those girls who get to choose their rates. Choose them at £50/£100 as you for definite are not paying higher rent than those girls on £50/£100 which given "rent increases" is being given as the sole justification now for these price increases, that clearly doesn't apply to Diamonds.

Does anyone know if any of TTs Hebburn friends also had a price increase ?

Dionne has went up by a fiver to £55 for 30 and £105 for an hour. (But even with this has it down that 'X £50 FOR 30 MINS, LIMITED TIME ONLY!! **'

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[baresi]

Anth have you got a wall chart with all the agencies listed in different colours and the girls who work for them with their rota's and prices, obviously with some sort of cross referencing system whereby you can see who they used to work and what they used to charge ?

[chesterlad]

60 for 30 mins - 120 for 60 mins - seems about the going rate, obviously a few will be higher some will be lower - but this seems about average.

[AnthG]

Anth have you got a wall chart with all the agencies listed in different colours and the girls who work for them with their rota's and prices, obviously with some sort of cross referencing system whereby you can see who they used to work and what they used to charge ?

No I just have a very good memory.

Like I said in my post above I still remember to this day the first VHS that implemented the RRP price increases for them almost 30 years later and all the furor it caused at the time.

I still remember this ad campaign on it from the time too

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[Looking4fun]

Anthg if you can't afford to punt, don't do it mate.
Continually rabbitting on about prices isn't going to change them, you were quite happy to pay the price for Vicky who you believed to be in her 20's,  so one rule for you & Vicky & one for all the wg's & punters
Do you realise how hypocritical your being ffs

[rugger35]

After a couple of crap punts and being mucked about by an agency I am paying I bit more for my next punt but at least it's with a lass I know will produce the goods.

[AnthG]

Anthg if you can't afford to punt, don't do it mate.
Continually rabbitting on about prices isn't going to change them, you were quite happy to pay the price for Vicky who you believed to be in her 20's,  so one rule for you & Vicky & one for all the wg's & punters
Do you realise how hypocritical your being ffs

But did you see my post on UKE - this is getting confusing jumping between the forums by the way.

I wasn't happy and paid the reduced rate as soon as possible. I also told her I would see her once per month due to her prices as opposed to once per fortnight.

So it is not the case like you suggest I was happily handing over the money with a smile on my face for paying more. I liked that particular girl so I paid it as I had no choice to. But I did what I could subtly suggest it should be lower - which she then dropped.

I am also again not calling for a boycott of any girls charging too much. As this topic was kind of aimed at the agency's anyway too. Which I also said I wasn't calling for a full on boycott of them either.

I truly do find it odd why people are jumping on this one small issue to purposefully try and ruin the whole argument of why the standard price for the region going up would be bad.

you were quite happy to pay the price for Vicky who you believed to be in her 20's

Also from this it seems to be you are intimating you knew she was actually in her 30s? If so this would be news to me, big style, as she told me repeatedly she was 26 and her 27th birthday was February just gone (2016). So my question is if so. How do you know this for one, and how old was she for two? And for third do you know this for definite or is it just a rumour.  I really am extremely curious on this if she really was in her 30s and by how much in her 30s if so. Really curious.

[Mansell]

+100

And we missed the perfect chance of coming off as fucking hero's to the girls from it.

As seriously think of it. The booking rate is £55. But if you went to the cash machine in a dash and could only get £60 and just went to the punt with it. You could then possibly twist it as some smooth talking and say to the girl something like. "Wow, You are so pretty, I will tell you what, here is £60 instead".

Girl is like to herself "Oh that is so nice, he has paid me more than my rate as I am so pretty. I will give him 100% effort in this booking as a result of that. He is so nice for that"

It is the little things in life that work. And that £5 was the best bargaining chip we ever had of securing a good punt from making it be a little subtle compliment to the girl by claiming you are paying that extra just to her. And not because that is what the cash machine just gave out and we didn't have time to get change.

But now it's like,

Punter: "You are so pretty I will pay you £60"
Girl: "Well saying this is my fucking rate, you had better do or you're out the bloody door"

Great post Anth, exactly right and what I was thinking.

Mind the rest of the time you use 1000 words when 50 would do 

[Mansell]

Interesting point, as pretty sure if I was a landlord (I'm not b.t.w.) for a premises used by these girls, then I would want to hike up my rent 20-30% or maybe even more. Why would I not want to profit from them, especially if they are popular. It is following the ethos of a capitalistic economy, you rub my back and I rub yours.

Unfortunately though, while the landlord and the girl (& even the pimp/agency) profit as a result of this, it is us the poor punters that end up on the losing side. 

I understand some will see the girls as irreplaceable and totally worth the new price. But don't mention this here in the forum or to them. Protest in any small way you can. Only this will show that price increases are not taken lightly by the punters. If not anything this will make them think 100 times next time they want to hike up the prices. But the fact that we just accept and move on, will only give them leverage to do this again in near future.

One popular girl recently reduced her prices to 50/100 from 60/120. I'm guessing it was due to lack of custom and not out of her genuine care for the punters wellbeing 

You make good points, but what I was really talking about was the change in flat rental over the last 10 years whilst the WG's rate has stayed at 50/100. Eventually something has to give and maybe we have reached that time. I haven't seen any brand new BMW's parked outside WG's flats ??