uk-women-forced-into-survival-sex-by-cost-of-living-crisis

[Iloveoral]

Apologies I had forgotten to reply to this.
 
Firstly it is not necessarily what people say, but how they say it. Rather than reply with “I disagree” and explaining why, they will begin with "What a load of bollox" or 'clueless idiot' etc ie deliberately confrontational.
In the context of many discussions (including this one) it is opinion based and there is very little dependable data and evidence to progress an opinion more towards a fact. This means there is no end point to a ‘discussion’ and it just goes around in circles.

Now before anyone tells me this is all normal on an anonymous online platform then yes it is, but the next stage is the creation of factions. I believe this is where I am noticing a more serious deterioration recently and hence toxic. It ultimately does not matter what the discussion is because if you are part of one faction, you weigh in to support your fellow faction members, but more importantly to attack an opposing faction member even if sometimes you may actually agree with them.

With regard to examples, this thread is now typical. We have a member who has completely lost all reason by saying he thought you were a female and has been banned. Then remarkably two others have committed ‘suicide by Mod’ by saying the same thing in support of their faction ‘buddy’.

What you need to ask yourself is why three people would seem to lose all rational thought processes to accuse you of something which, as Davie has pointed out, has absolutely no relevance to the topic, but is purely a personal unfounded attack?

Now you are going to say it is because you have strong opinions and don’t shy away from giving them etc, but many others can express strong opinions without being chased around a forum by an opposing faction. You maybe need to look at how you express yourself and be a little less confrontational.

Finally in your other post you said I was being oversensitive? I can assure you I am probably one of least sensitive members on here in terms of what people say to me personally. However I am looking at this from the perspective of others who may well be sensitive and therefore not contributing to threads through fear of being set upon. More likely though many just don’t contribute because the discussion is polluted by warring factions. Worse still they too get drawn into the war.

I’d agree with a lot of that

[sensualencounter]

I’ve read quite a few of your reviews, as you’ve seen SPs local to me and reviewed a massage place I had my eyes on.

Quite clearly not written by a woman. Feels like some people are just trying to discredit your opinions simply because they don’t agree with them.

Seems pretty insulting to me. Or maybe I’m female, and/or an SP, as well and we are organising a mass  infiltration of UKP. . . 🤣🤣🤣

Well quite. Those three are butthurt because I’ve called them out for stuff I thought was nonsense, usually anti-escort / anti-women crap. Clearly they can’t comprehend that a male could possibly say anything positive about females and stick up for them. Which is just such a ridiculous position to be in for someone who pays for sex. Very confusing 

Anyway, they’re not around to defend themselves and this is now not on subject but cheers for the support.

[Colston36]

Why on earth are you paying even £10 for a basic bj, a kiss and a shag? That's terrible value for literally no services that I would pay for.

And there you go. Neither you nor I want a kiss and a shag. But he does, and he is not us.

[sensualencounter]

Apologies I had forgotten to reply to this.
 
Firstly it is not necessarily what people say, but how they say it. Rather than reply with “I disagree” and explaining why, they will begin with "What a load of bollox" or 'clueless idiot' etc ie deliberately confrontational.
In the context of many discussions (including this one) it is opinion based and there is very little dependable data and evidence to progress an opinion more towards a fact. This means there is no end point to a ‘discussion’ and it just goes around in circles.

Now before anyone tells me this is all normal on an anonymous online platform then yes it is, but the next stage is the creation of factions. I believe this is where I am noticing a more serious deterioration recently and hence toxic. It ultimately does not matter what the discussion is because if you are part of one faction, you weigh in to support your fellow faction members, but more importantly to attack an opposing faction member even if sometimes you may actually agree with them.

With regard to examples, this thread is now typical. We have a member who has completely lost all reason by saying he thought you were a female and has been banned. Then remarkably two others have committed ‘suicide by Mod’ by saying the same thing in support of their faction ‘buddy’.

What you need to ask yourself is why three people would seem to lose all rational thought processes to accuse you of something which, as Davie has pointed out, has absolutely no relevance to the topic, but is purely a personal unfounded attack?

Now you are going to say it is because you have strong opinions and don’t shy away from giving them etc, but many others can express strong opinions without being chased around a forum by an opposing faction. You maybe need to look at how you express yourself and be a little less confrontational.

Finally in your other post you said I was being oversensitive? I can assure you I am probably one of least sensitive members on here in terms of what people say to me personally. However I am looking at this from the perspective of others who may well be sensitive and therefore not contributing to threads through fear of being set upon. More likely though many just don’t contribute because the discussion is polluted by warring factions. Worse still they too get drawn into the war.

Cheers for taking the time to respond. A lot to digest and a fair amount I agree with. Although what I would say is that it’s not easy to balance freedom of speech with outright rude and offensive. In an ideal world we’d all be perfectly pleasant and all nicey nicey to eachother but really is that a perfect world and likewise it would be incredibly boring.

So when I say that I think you’re being a bit sensitive, it’s that I believe that you’d like that idyllic world. But that doesn’t take into account people’s personalities which are never going to be homogenous and imo nor should they be.

So, yes I can be confrontational and sometimes don’t go about things in an orthodox and calm manner. But that’s because I can’t be bothered beating around the bush. I’d rather just get things out in the open. I appreciate your responses on pretty much everything on here. However, and I don’t mean this as a personal attack, albeit I’m clearly being personal about you, sometimes I find your posts a little condescending and preachy. But that’s just who you are and the actual content is salient and useful.
You’re not the kind of person who I’d be friends with in real life but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect what you have to say. We are all different and that is fine. I’m sure you’ve come across plenty of people in life and thought the same.

As for the factions, isn’t that just a simple human thing? Most humans are followers. Although we’d all like to think we all are independent, autonomous thinkers, a lot of people really aren’t. It’s not always easy to find objectivity, especially when faced with someone you don’t like. Not saying that’s right and indeed I strive to be as objective as possible. But I’m not sure how to solve this issue you’ve raised. If indeed it is an issue because as adults it’s still up to yourselves to make your own decisions and own the consequences.

[jamiekinkxxx]

I’ve read quite a few of your reviews, as you’ve seen SPs local to me and reviewed a massage place I had my eyes on.

Quite clearly not written by a woman. Feels like some people are just trying to discredit your opinions simply because they don’t agree with them.

Seems pretty insulting to me. Or maybe I’m female, and/or an SP, as well and we are organising a mass  infiltration of UKP. . . 🤣🤣🤣

+1 never crossed my mind that SE was anything other than a guy that enjoys sensual encounters.

[Cheshuk]

Firstly it is not necessarily what people say, but how they say it. Rather than reply with “I disagree” and explaining why, they will begin with "What a load of bollox" or 'clueless idiot' etc ie deliberately confrontational.

I do agree with most of what you've written, and especially the part that I've quoted. In discussions/disputes here I try to speak to people how I would face-to-face.

There are definitely some members that get nasty/insulting in discussions, some clearly just care about being right or getting one up on another member rather than actually having an interesting conversation and understanding/accepting other peoples points of view (not to say some comments/opinions are out of order but that's why the mods keep reiterating to report, to keep civility and neutrality)

If anyone says that's how I speak to someone face-to-face, it's very unlikely because it would end up in a fight. The nasty or argumentative members, personally I figured out a few and will rarely reply to them. However, I strongly agree with what I quoted.

[Kev40ish]

Apologies I had forgotten to reply to this.
 
Firstly it is not necessarily what people say, but how they say it. Rather than reply with “I disagree” and explaining why, they will begin with "What a load of bollox" or 'clueless idiot' etc ie deliberately confrontational.
In the context of many discussions (including this one) it is opinion based and there is very little dependable data and evidence to progress an opinion more towards a fact. This means there is no end point to a ‘discussion’ and it just goes around in circles.

Now before anyone tells me this is all normal on an anonymous online platform then yes it is, but the next stage is the creation of factions. I believe this is where I am noticing a more serious deterioration recently and hence toxic. It ultimately does not matter what the discussion is because if you are part of one faction, you weigh in to support your fellow faction members, but more importantly to attack an opposing faction member even if sometimes you may actually agree with them.

With regard to examples, this thread is now typical. We have a member who has completely lost all reason by saying he thought you were a female and has been banned. Then remarkably two others have committed ‘suicide by Mod’ by saying the same thing in support of their faction ‘buddy’.

What you need to ask yourself is why three people would seem to lose all rational thought processes to accuse you of something which, as Davie has pointed out, has absolutely no relevance to the topic, but is purely a personal unfounded attack?

Now you are going to say it is because you have strong opinions and don’t shy away from giving them etc, but many others can express strong opinions without being chased around a forum by an opposing faction. You maybe need to look at how you express yourself and be a little less confrontational.

Finally in your other post you said I was being oversensitive? I can assure you I am probably one of least sensitive members on here in terms of what people say to me personally. However I am looking at this from the perspective of others who may well be sensitive and therefore not contributing to threads through fear of being set upon. More likely though many just don’t contribute because the discussion is polluted by warring factions. Worse still they too get drawn into the war.

I totally agree with all of this particularly the highlighted bit, once again very well put. 

[Doc Holliday]

However, and I don’t mean this as a personal attack, albeit I’m clearly being personal about you, sometimes I find your posts a little condescending and preachy.

Yes that’s accurate. I am very preachy and condescending, although I try to reserve the latter for those deserving of it ... such as yourself 

With regard to preaching, we will all be aware of the reformed smoker/drug taker who will be on a crusade telling others of the dangers etc. Or the 'done his time' burglar on TV, advising people how not to fall victim. Annoying and preachy as fuck.

Well, cards on the table, that’s me.

Bless me father for I have sinned and to a far greater extent than most on here. I have lived under that bridge. I have stayed up until the early hours posting page after page of argumentative confrontation just for the hell of it. Multiple accounts, even ones pretending to be female (very successfully too).  In my defence I was always polite though 
 
But it was hugely destructive especially the factions I created. Most of all it wasn’t the real me. So yes there is nothing more preachy and annoying than a reformed troll/keyboard warrior.

As for the factions, isn’t that just a simple human thing? Most humans are followers. Although we’d all like to think we all are independent, autonomous thinkers, a lot of people really aren’t. It’s not always easy to find objectivity, especially when faced with someone you don’t like.

True, and I was defining factions as groups opposed to each other based on a dislike of the persona rather than their views. The problem with such factions on t’internet is when they are anonymous groups of individuals and you can strongly ‘dislike’ someone and be confrontational in the extreme, without direct consequence from the opposing faction. That is why they are destructive.

You’re not the kind of person who I’d be friends with in real life but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect what you have to say. 

.. and you accuse me of being condescending? 

We are all different and that is fine. I’m sure you’ve come across plenty of people in life and thought the same.

Indeed including a very large number of patients, but I was always polite to them, so most of them were very fond of me 

Edit. Just to clarify my misdemeanors were pre UKP

[Payyourwaymate]

Cheers for taking the time to respond. A lot to digest and a fair amount I agree with. Although what I would say is that it’s not easy to balance freedom of speech with outright rude and offensive. In an ideal world we’d all be perfectly pleasant and all nicey nicey to eachother but really is that a perfect world and likewise it would be incredibly boring.

So when I say that I think you’re being a bit sensitive, it’s that I believe that you’d like that idyllic world. But that doesn’t take into account people’s personalities which are never going to be homogenous and imo nor should they be.

So, yes I can be confrontational and sometimes don’t go about things in an orthodox and calm manner. But that’s because I can’t be bothered beating around the bush. I’d rather just get things out in the open. I appreciate your responses on pretty much everything on here. However, and I don’t mean this as a personal attack, albeit I’m clearly being personal about you, sometimes I find your posts a little condescending and preachy. But that’s just who you are and the actual content is salient and useful.
You’re not the kind of person who I’d be friends with in real life but that doesn’t mean I don’t respect what you have to say. We are all different and that is fine. I’m sure you’ve come across plenty of people in life and thought the same.

As for the factions, isn’t that just a simple human thing? Most humans are followers. Although we’d all like to think we all are independent, autonomous thinkers, a lot of people really aren’t. It’s not always easy to find objectivity, especially when faced with someone you don’t like. Not saying that’s right and indeed I strive to be as objective as possible. But I’m not sure how to solve this issue you’ve raised. If indeed it is an issue because as adults it’s still up to yourselves to make your own decisions and own the consequences.

In short, you are an antagonising, pretentious, condescending, pseudo-intellectual going around trying to tell people how to think without trying to understand why they think the way they do from your mighty throne of superior "intellect" and vantage point of "morals". Then wonder why people result to personal attacks against you when you do not discuss to try to understand, but to demean and patronise those with different viewpoints from you.

[sensualencounter]

Yes that’s accurate. I am very preachy and condescending, although I try to reserve the latter for those deserving of it ... such as yourself 

With regard to preaching, we will all be aware of the reformed smoker/drug taker who will be on a crusade telling others of the dangers etc. Or the 'done his time' burglar on TV, advising people how not to fall victim. Annoying and preachy as fuck.

Well, cards on the table, that’s me.

Bless me father for I have sinned and to a far greater extent than most on here. I have lived under that bridge. I have stayed up until the early hours posting page after page of argumentative confrontation just for the hell of it. Multiple accounts, even ones pretending to be female (very successfully too).  In my defence I was always polite though 
 
But it was hugely destructive especially the factions I created. Most of all it wasn’t the real me. So yes there is nothing more preachy and annoying than a reformed troll/keyboard warrior.

True, and I was defining factions as groups opposed to each other based on a dislike of the persona rather than their views. The problem with such factions on t’internet is when they are anonymous groups of individuals and you can strongly ‘dislike’ someone and be confrontational in the extreme, without direct consequence from the opposing faction. That is why they are destructive.

.. and you accuse me of being condescending? 

Indeed including a very large number of patients, but I was always polite to them, so most of them were very fond of me 

Edit. Just to clarify my misdemeanors were pre UKP

Again, thank you for taking the time to reply and not take offence to what I said. Likewise me with you.

As for the condescending thing, I apologise but I was merely trying to highlight that we are all different and just because you may not be friends with someone doesn’t mean you don’t respect their views.

Now to really play devil’s advocate, I can guarantee that there would have been some of your patients (if indeed you really were a doctor  ) that would have walked away thinking “Well, he’s treated my sore cock but what a smarmy know it all” or thoughts to that effect. Just because someone smiles at you and says “Thank you Doctor,” doesn’t always mean they would have all been very fond of you. Which, is also a very important punting lesson!

And the reason why I say that is because I would have likely been one of them, albeit if you really didn’t do your job then I would have no qualms in telling you exactly what I thought, as I have done with a few doctors sadly. But I’m now making out like a character assassin and that’s not my intention.

[sensualencounter]

In short, you are an antagonising, pretentious, condescending, pseudo-intellectual going around trying to tell people how to think without trying to understand why they think the way they do from your mighty throne of superior "intellect" and vantage point of "morals". Then wonder why people result to personal attacks against you when you do not discuss to try to understand, but to demean and patronise those with different viewpoints from you.

That wasn’t very short. But you’re entitled to your opinions although I think you’re wrong on pretty much all of that. I’ve never shied away from discussion for a start.

Thanks for the personal attack you so abhor  And to be clear, I don’t wonder why people result to personal attacks, I think I know full well why they do so.

[Doc Holliday]

Now to really play devil’s advocate, I can guarantee that there would have been some of your patients (if indeed you really were a doctor  ) that would have walked away thinking “Well, he’s treated my sore cock but what a smarmy know it all” or thoughts to that effect. Just because someone smiles at you and says “Thank you Doctor,” doesn’t always mean they would have all been very fond of you. Which, is also a very important punting lesson!

And the reason why I say that is because I would have likely been one of them, albeit if you really didn’t do your job then I would have no qualms in telling you exactly what I thought, as I have done with a few doctors sadly. But I’m now making out like a character assassin and that’s not my intention.

You do realise my final comment was tongue in cheek?

[sensualencounter]

You do realise my final comment was tongue in cheek?

The having patients part, the always being polite part or the them being fond of you part? 

[chadpitt]

In short, you are an antagonising, pretentious, condescending, pseudo-intellectual going around trying to tell people how to think without trying to understand why they think the way they do from your mighty throne of superior "intellect" and vantage point of "morals". Then wonder why people result to personal attacks against you when you do not discuss to try to understand, but to demean and patronise those with different viewpoints from you.

 

If Pepé Le Pew was a punter he would be sensualencounter.

[sensualencounter]

If Pepé Le Pew was a punter he would be sensualencounter.

My French is better, I’m far less rapey and smell alright most of the time but nice try. Isn’t it interesting it’s only you butthurt misogynists riding your little bandwagon. I’d have thought you’d have far better things to do, like call a punting strike to demand cheaper prices. Why don’t you use all that hate energy positively and go and do something constructive?

Enjoy your day, mon petit chou-fleur, a bientôt 

[chadpitt]

My French is better, I’m far less rapeyand smell alright most of the time but nice try. Isn’t it interesting it’s only you butthurt misogynists riding your little bandwagon. I’d have thought you’d have far better things to do, like call a punting strike to demand cheaper prices. Why don’t you use all that hate energy positively and go and do something constructive?

Enjoy your day, mon petit chou-fleur, a bientôt 

Interesting you said you are less rapey instead of not rapey at all.

Maybe mr white knight is just as bad as those "nice guys" and is a humungous hypocrite.

[daviemac]

If Pepé Le Pew was a punter he would be sensualencounter.

This is a final warning, this pack mentality of members ganging up on one other is something that happened in the past and is something we will not tolerate now.

sensualencounter take notice of what has been posted and have a look at the way you post, don't be personal and stop responding to posts such as this, it only adds fuel to the fire.

To the rest, if you can't argue a point without getting personal don't argue it at all, if anyone dislikes another member enough to continue name calling then put them on ignore, if you don't know how, ask.

Draw a line under this here, let's all move forward in a positive way, we will be watching all those involved very closely, the toxic atmosphere stops here.

Forgot to add, if anyone thinks a member is out of order in anything they post then report it, the mods will nip it in the bud and stop the endless derailing of threads.