The Value of Money

[Hobbit]

So when I was a student at university over 25 years ago, I started punting and back then I would just go for £20 handjobs. Back then £20 was a lot of money and being a student made it significantly more. I compare that now and am probably spending over £500 a month and when I compare that to what I was spending then, it's frightening.  Obviously, having a job helps and if most of us weren't working then I doubt we would be able to do this, I know I certainly couldn't. I remember walking into the first brothel when I was 19 years old and the girl who was dressed in a maid's outfit asked me what I wanted and how long for? I was nervous as hell as I was still a virgin back then and the thought of having a woman's hand around my cock was extremely exciting. When I left that place I was pretty happy and then had a couple of more handjobs over the weeks until one day I decided to go for a longer session which included oral and sex. I was still paying around £90 for a 45-minute session and I certainly thought that was a lot of money and would never have considered paying more. I stuck to that budget for many years until back in 2003 I met this hooker that introduced me to longer sessions i.e. about two hours. I had just started working back then so I was able to spend a bit more. Compare that to now I am seeing girls for much longer and spending much more. It's my choice and at times I enjoy it until it's over and I think maybe I should have spent that money on something that has more long term value than an orgasm.

I guess the question I have is, over the course of time do we actually lose the value of money and does punting or any kind of addictive pleasure contribute towards that? I don't believe money has an objective value and is definitely subjective based on income and expenditure. Nevertheless, there are times when I feel that I may not be respecting money as I may have when I had less of it, which makes me think is punting contributing to that or is it my ability to not be able to control my dick and my wallet simultaneously? 

[Londoner2000]

 I’ve posted on this extensively... Don’t want to repeat so please read my previous posts. I’ve recently paid £200/hr ( review not written yet due to time constraints] but had better punts for 10 pounds. I think the problem is A W and the booking system which takes  so much time and effort, not just for us but also for the girls, which makes them have to get their money back someway  so they increase the prices to make up for the time

[smiths]

I’ve posted on this extensively... Don’t want to repeat so please read my previous posts. I’ve recently paid £200/hr ( review not written yet due to time constraints] but had better punts for 10 pounds. I think the problem is A W and the booking system which takes  so much time and effort, not just for us but also for the girls, which makes them have to get their money back someway  so they increase the prices to make up for the time

Whereas I have never used A/Ws poxy booking system which doesn't help me in anyway, never needed to to locate WGs I punt with. I am looking for paid sex NOT to fill a job application form out.

[smiths]

So when I was a student at university over 25 years ago, I started punting and back then I would just go for £20 handjobs. Back then £20 was a lot of money and being a student made it significantly more. I compare that now and am probably spending over £500 a month and when I compare that to what I was spending then, it's frightening.  Obviously, having a job helps and if most of us weren't working then I doubt we would be able to do this, I know I certainly couldn't. I remember walking into the first brothel when I was 19 years old and the girl who was dressed in a maid's outfit asked me what I wanted and how long for? I was nervous as hell as I was still a virgin back then and the thought of having a woman's hand around my cock was extremely exciting. When I left that place I was pretty happy and then had a couple of more handjobs over the weeks until one day I decided to go for a longer session which included oral and sex. I was still paying around £90 for a 45-minute session and I certainly thought that was a lot of money and would never have considered paying more. I stuck to that budget for many years until back in 2003 I met this hooker that introduced me to longer sessions i.e. about two hours. I had just started working back then so I was able to spend a bit more. Compare that to now I am seeing girls for much longer and spending much more. It's my choice and at times I enjoy it until it's over and I think maybe I should have spent that money on something that has more long term value than an orgasm.

I guess the question I have is, over the course of time do we actually lose the value of money and does punting or any kind of addictive pleasure contribute towards that? I don't believe money has an objective value and is definitely subjective based on income and expenditure. Nevertheless, there are times when I feel that I may not be respecting money as I may have when I had less of it, which makes me think is punting contributing to that or is it my ability to not be able to control my dick and my wallet simultaneously? 

I don't find it difficult, I only punt for an hour or 2 with WGs whose rates I am prepared to pay, as long as I get a good service then its VFM to me as I see it. I have never lost the VFM and have punted when poor and as nowadays when I can afford to pay what I choose but I put a cap on now as that suits me.

Punting isn't a necessity to me, its a pastime I like, while I can manage I have no plans to knock it on the head. I of course wish there weren't so many low lifes about but while some punters pay these cunts thinking with their dicks they will continue sadly. Even on UKP I read bait and switch reviews that incredibly are positives despite the fact the WGs whole plan was pure deception from the start. Giving such low lifes positive reviews just encourages them in my opinion though I accept they aren't against the rules so its up to the reviewer.

[Hobbit]

I don't find it difficult, I only punt for an hour or 2 with WGs whose rates I am prepared to pay, as long as I get a good service then its VFM to me as I see it. I have never lost the VFM and have punted when poor and as nowadays when I can afford to pay what I choose but I put a cap on now as that suits me.

Punting isn't a necessity to me, its a pastime I like, while I can manage I have no plans to knock it on the head. I of course wish there weren't so many low lifes about but while some punters pay these cunts thinking with their dicks they will continue sadly. Even on UKP I read bait and switch reviews that incredibly are positives despite the fact the WGs whole plan was pure deception from the start. Giving such low lifes positive reviews just encourages them in my opinion though I accept they aren't against the rules so its up to the reviewer.

I agree with you. Bait and switch is not good and they should not deserve a positive review even if you had a good time. Because the whole premise is founded on a deceitful idea which compromises and affects all punters.

[southcoastpunter]

  I think the problem is A W and the booking system which takes  so much time and effort,

Whereas I have never used A/Ws poxy booking system which doesn't help me in anyway, never needed to to locate WGs I punt with. I am looking for paid sex NOT to fill a job application form out.

Am I doing something wrong? the AW booking system takes about 2 minutes to complete - at least the way I do it! Having said that, I don't use it very often - usually after the event just to leave a review on AW if I want to. Rarely have i been asked to book on AW in advance.

But to the OP's question (the value of money) - i think it changes over time, in part due to inflation (bth general inflation and WG inflation) but aslo according to how much you earn and your financial postion. On the assumption that most of us get more financially comfortable over time, this affects our view on WG's and "value for money"

As a generalised statement, there seems to be less girls arround now days that I like and that puts pressure to either pursue higher priced girls or stay within my self impossed "budget" and maybe see more foreign girls and get less good punts. Yes, we all know there is not always any direct comparision between price and service but it does effect perceived VFM.

[peter purves]

I guess the question I have is, over the course of time do we actually lose the value of money and does punting or any kind of addictive pleasure contribute towards that? I don't believe money has an objective value and is definitely subjective based on income and expenditure. Nevertheless, there are times when I feel that I may not be respecting money as I may have when I had less of it, which makes me think is punting contributing to that or is it my ability to not be able to control my dick and my wallet simultaneously? 

It's a difficult one with so many of the variables changing.

For instance I wanted to punt porn stars but back then was unwilling to pay £250 +

Now I will pay for a porn star but I justify the behaviour by rationalising these are porn star rates. Theya re not going to charge £60 for 30 mins. So I have to pay that price.

Paying £250 + for an 'ordinary' WG I have not been able to 'justify'. Perhaps if my salary was to increase tenfold then who 

I have been reading reviews of late where WGs because they are from a particular race, nationality etc charging a lot of money. Strictly in monetary terms, irrespective whether the punter can afford it or not) in terms of the 'goods' per se by that I mean the WG's body and looks. I am not sure it correlates. With regards to the punters' fantasies etc then yes paying any sums may well be worth it.

[Hobbit]

Am I doing something wrong? the AW booking system takes about 2 minutes to complete - at least the way I do it! Having said that, I don't use it very often - usually after the event just to leave a review on AW if I want to. Rarely have i been asked to book on AW in advance.

But to the OP's question (the value of money) - i think it changes over time, in part due to inflation (bth general inflation and WG inflation) but aslo according to how much you earn and your financial postion. On the assumption that most of us get more financially comfortable over time, this affects our view on WG's and "value for money"

As a generalised statement, there seems to be less girls arround now days that I like and that puts pressure to either pursue higher priced girls or stay within my self impossed "budget" and maybe see more foreign girls and get less good punts. Yes, we all know there is not always any direct comparision between price and service but it does effect perceived VFM.

WG's Inflation??? I thought their prices were already highly inflated. 

[Hobbit]

It's a difficult one with so many of the variables changing.

For instance I wanted to punt porn stars but back then was unwilling to pay £250 +

Now I will pay for a porn star but I justify the behaviour it is a porn star and market forces means I have to pay that price.

Paying £250 an ordinary WG I have not been able to do as yet but if my salary was to increase tenfold then who 

I have been reading reviews of late where WGs because they are from a particular race, nationality etc charge a lot of money, strictly in monetary terms i cannot see how that can be justified, even if I have got the money to spend.

The other thing I also find is that the other day I saw a SA girl who I ended up paying around £500 and it turned out that she was rubbish in bed and it felt like having sex with a civilian girl, boring and predictable. So where is the value in that?

[peter purves]

The other thing I also find is that the other day I saw a SA girl who I ended up paying around £500 and it turned out that she was rubbish in bed and it felt like having sex with a civilian girl, boring and predictable. So where is the value in that?

This is what leads to Punter's Alienation 

Was this particular woman trying or trying a scam? Not everybody is naturally good at sex whether on SA or in the punting game

I have said it elsewhere on UKP. I have also found that young British WGs (as long as they are born here) usually will charge over the odds, especially if they have a 'personal characteristic in their favour  ie. incredibly attractive, incredibly busty etc etc

[southcoastpunter]

WG's Inflation??? I thought their prices were already highly inflated. 

Yes there are.

By WG inflation, I meant the increase in WG prices over time.

[Hobbit]

This is what leads to Punter's Alienation 

Was this particular woman trying or trying a scam? Not everybody is naturally good at sex whether on SA or in the punting game

I have said it elsewhere on UKP. I have also found that young British WGs (as long as they are born here) usually will charge over the odds, especially if they have a 'personal characteristic in their favour  ie. incredibly attractive, incredibly busty etc etc

No, it wasn't a scam. I got my money's worth in terms of hours spent but the sexual performance lacked experience and skill. Lack of DFK etc.

[Hobbit]

Yes there are.

By WG inflation, I meant the increase in WG prices over time.

Which are the same for everyone but not all of us get a pay rise every year.

[peter purves]

No, it wasn't a scam. I got my money's worth in terms of hours spent but the sexual performance lacked experience and skill. Lack of DFK etc.

Sorry to hear mate!

It is clear though you have respected the value of the money through the Punter's Alienation  .

If it had been a 'great' meet. You would have said money well spent 

Yes?? 

No?? 

[Hobbit]

Sorry to hear mate!

It is clear though you have respected the value of the money through the Punter's Alienation  .

If it had been a 'great' meet. You would have said money well spent 

Yes?? 

No?? 

I'm not too sure what you mean about the punters alienation? Please elaborate.

Yes, if it had been a good punt then I would have said money well spent and would have forgotten about the money aspect.

[peter purves]

I'm not too sure what you mean about the punters alienation? Please elaborate.

This is interesting, PP. I've read you use the pharse, Punter's Alienation, several times before, but have only just searched for your definition. I think I've defo felt this with other punts, but I wouldn't say this was the case with Mya.

[smiths]

Am I doing something wrong? the AW booking system takes about 2 minutes to complete - at least the way I do it! Having said that, I don't use it very often - usually after the event just to leave a review on AW if I want to. Rarely have i been asked to book on AW in advance.

But to the OP's question (the value of money) - i think it changes over time, in part due to inflation (bth general inflation and WG inflation) but aslo according to how much you earn and your financial postion. On the assumption that most of us get more financially comfortable over time, this affects our view on WG's and "value for money"

As a generalised statement, there seems to be less girls arround now days that I like and that puts pressure to either pursue higher priced girls or stay within my self impossed "budget" and maybe see more foreign girls and get less good punts. Yes, we all know there is not always any direct comparision between price and service but it does effect perceived VFM.

Its not about being right or wrong, its up to you how you choose to punt, I punt to suit ME not WGs, I wont jump through their hoops one of which to me is those who insist on an A/W booking form. I pick the phone up and book WGs, no number no business off me.

In my case I pay a lot less to punt than I did 10 years and more ago on average, I now have a maximum amount I will pay for an hour which I didn't back then, I wont risk what I class as too much on a first time punt with a WG I have never punted with before. The only exception to this may be if I get a recommendation from a punter I know I may take a risk.

[smiths]

This is what leads to Punter's Alienation 

Was this particular woman trying or trying a scam? Not everybody is naturally good at sex whether on SA or in the punting game

I have said it elsewhere on UKP. I have also found that young British WGs (as long as they are born here) usually will charge over the odds, especially if they have a 'personal characteristic in their favour  ie. incredibly attractive, incredibly busty etc etc

 In London anyway many Brit WGs have been charging a premium over foreign WGs for years and years, its certainly nothing new, most Black and Indian/Pakistani WGs do the same. I don't limit this to just young Brits though as most Brits full stop charge a premium just for being a Brit.

As an example its not easy to locate a good Brit WG in my area who charges £120 an hour or less, plenty of EE WGs who do so though. And even less as in zero who charge £100 or less per hour, there were a few some years ago though, 1 was a regular of mine for a while charging me £90 an hour.

[tynetunnel]

The other thing I also find is that the other day I saw a SA girl who I ended up paying around £500 and it turned out that she was rubbish in bed and it felt like having sex with a civilian girl, boring and predictable. So where is the value in that?

The SA girl IS a civilian girl, that’s the whole point of SA. She’s not a professional and what you receive will reflect her abilities, imagination and preferences. Sometimes SA throws up dirty little lasses, sometimes they’re average. More fool you for paying £500 for the pleasure. If you approached your meet as a “punt”, thinking of it as spending time with a professional, you really shouldn’t be on seeking 

[Hobbit]

The SA girl IS a civilian girl, that’s the whole point of SA. She’s not a professional and what you receive will reflect her abilities, imagination and preferences. Sometimes SA throws up dirty little lasses, sometimes they’re average. More fool you for paying £500 for the pleasure. If you approached your meet as a “punt”, thinking of it as spending time with a professional, you really shouldn’t be on seeking 

Sorry but I’m not the type to buy them flowers etc. yes you are right, a lot of them are civilians but luckily I’m still on a good run on Seeking. That was just a bad experience, unfortunately it comes with the territory.

[Malvolio]

I suspect the OP just has a lot more disposable income now, so clearly will be spending more of that on punting.

My view is that life is about experiences, and punting has given me plenty of those that I wouldn't otherwise get (there is no way on earth I would fuck four women in one evening without paying for it). 

[Payyourwaymate]

I guess the question I have is, over the course of time do we actually lose the value of money and does punting or any kind of addictive pleasure contribute towards that? I don't believe money has an objective value and is definitely subjective based on income and expenditure. Nevertheless, there are times when I feel that I may not be respecting money as I may have when I had less of it, which makes me think is punting contributing to that or is it my ability to not be able to control my dick and my wallet simultaneously? 

No, this activity in the grand scheme of things financially is cheap. For average 9-5s workers with many outgoings it is not, so the "value" of money would perhaps hold stronger on what the money could have been used for instead of sex. However, over the last 2 years I have witnessed multiple times people losing 5 and 6 figures gambling in less than 24 hours, playing high stakes poker and still go about their day. I even asked others in the environment how could such a thing not rattle them, my question got laughed off. It opens your eyes to how some people "value" and use money. It is very hard to determine a reference point to what is "value" and what is not monetarily speaking as there is not really a baseline for what constitutes "value" across the board. The value of money is subjective as you stated, for one person £100 could be a lot and another nothing. "Respecting money..." It is a question that cannot really be answered as there are too many variables to take into consideration to come up with a solid conclusion, in my opinion.

[jordan452]

Nevertheless, there are times when I feel that I may not be respecting money as I may have when I had less of it, which makes me think is punting contributing to that or is it my ability to not be able to control my dick and my wallet simultaneously? 

 
It’s depends on the rate and the service provided, sometimes I walk out of punts feeling like it was worth the money spent others I feel short changed. 
 
Overall it’s a expensive hobby but there are a few months where ive been charged good rates, and end up spending under budget.

[Beamer]

Generally,  my monthly spend is in line with my expectations. Sometimes if I am well over plan I think think about the value of the various SP's  and will change my regulars. But in the end as long as I feel it's not too out of line I just carry on.
 

[Hobbit]

No, this activity in the grand scheme of things financially is cheap. For average 9-5s workers with many outgoings it is not, so the "value" of money would perhaps hold stronger on what the money could have been used for instead of sex. However, over the last 2 years I have witnessed multiple times people losing 5 and 6 figures gambling in less than 24 hours, playing high stakes poker and still go about their day. I even asked others in the environment how could such a thing not rattle them, my question got laughed off. It opens your eyes to how some people "value" and use money. It is very hard to determine a reference point to what is "value" and what is not monetarily speaking as there is not really a baseline for what constitutes "value" across the board. The value of money is subjective as you stated, for one person £100 could be a lot and another nothing. "Respecting money..." It is a question that cannot really be answered as there are too many variables to take into consideration to come up with a solid conclusion, in my opinion.

You are right on this and I only asked this question because I thought I had lost the value of money because I felt I was over spending compared to the past.

[Hobbit]

I suspect the OP just has a lot more disposable income now, so clearly will be spending more of that on punting.

My view is that life is about experiences, and punting has given me plenty of those that I wouldn't otherwise get (there is no way on earth I would fuck four women in one evening without paying for it).

I don't have disposable income. I just have no future which involves kids or a wife. 

[Steelworker]

You are right on this and I only asked this question because I thought I had lost the value of money because I felt I was over spending compared to the past.

I’ve spent more than in the past. I don’t mind because I’ve been able to afford it, knowing it’s a hobby. I’m still making conscious decisions as to what I do and what floats my boat. I have a few regulars I see between 130 and 180 an hour. In a period where I was a bit flusher, I splashed out on a few pornstars and longer bookings. Great fun, but the regulars are better, IMO. Now in period where there’s not so much ‘disposable income’, where sticking to regulars now and again meets my needs. My rationale throughout has been that it has to be easily financially manageable but only after meeting the real needs of normal life. It’s been a different spending and frequency profile but still works for me 

[workinallweek]

 surely a hobby is a hobby

[ribbons78]

Escorts are far too expensive they charge the rates of top QCs and I would say the majority don't put it the effort and give it their best, if you find a really nice WG who floats your boat then I guess you are paying for a few days of nice memories and a big smile on your face and stress relief ... but still 50-80 p/h should be the going rate but prices are set by the market and guys pay the inflated prices.

Seems to be far more girls now charging top prices. The money I occasionally drop on escorts I would have spent on hobbies or eating out so I am not overly fussed but I am not wealthy and occasionally I look back and think about other things I could have bought or spent the cash on that would have had longer term benefit.

[proxima22]

But you don't have to spend so much money! I have to keep my costs down so the wife doesn't get suspicious. I tend to spend around £60 for a half hour punt and I've had some of the best shags in my life with some incredibly hot women. Maybe you're paying for the company or something but if it's just a good shag you want you can easily do it on a small budget. Give it a go!

[workinallweek]

The last girl i saw as a regular was £200 an hour (although i first saw her at 150) i went for 2 hour punts but only once a month . We tended to overun and had what i considered a good time so my budget was in my opinion well spent and only £100 a week .
I have seen girls at £90 an hour and it was a waste of time and money  . Sadly cost doesnt allways mean quality but it can mean a girl who isnt burned out and mechanical .

so for me its all relative  if its good and one you remember then its worth it  ..

[king tarzan]

My bloody girlfriend is a burden expenditure!!!
Wish at times never met her!!
Just should of carried on with my dessert after dessert
No bloody hassles and no nag nag and bloody nag!!

[Happylad]

You really have to put this in proper perspective and it makes sense.  When I was a boy in the 1930s the average street girl charged 7/6d to £1 in the provinces, and at that time the average working was £2 to £3 a week (I know these figures are correct as later I represented many such ladies in Court and heard their life histories, and I was fully aware of my father`s wages at the time).  A newly erected semi-detached semi detached house with garden could be acquired for £250 to £400 depending on locality

If you compare these figures with those current today you will find that the ratio between average wages, house prices and prossies earnings are about the same.

That`s simply the result of inflation - it affects the cost of everything to more or less the same degree

[scutty brown]

My bloody girlfriend is a burden expenditure!!!
Wish at times never met her!!
Just should of carried on with my dessert after dessert
No bloody hassles and no nag nag and bloody nag!!

How is Jane?

[king tarzan]

How is Jane?

Fine.. but needs to talk and spend less...
Then absolutely perfecto!!

[Golden Hind]

I've gone the opposite way, when I first started punting a couple years ago I would pay £200+ for an hour without thinking much of it. Now max I would pay is probably about £100 for an overnight.

[JAYZ]

I've gone the opposite way, when I first started punting a couple years ago I would pay £200+ for an hour without thinking much of it. Now max I would pay is probably about £100 for an overnight.

£100 for an overnight, you are very lucky. Is that AW or Seeking? I wish you well all the same.

[webpunter]

Last of the big spenders !

You might get a skanky roma / washed up old un who needs somewhere to sleep round to your place

Good luck

Now max I would pay is probably about £100 for an overnight.

Edit: possibly an outcall at this price but any burd offering a ton for an overnight is gonna fuck off soon as you are in shoot yer bolt land of sleep & look to see what she can half-inch

[Golden Hind]

Should of mentioned I don't punt in europe, havn't in over a year. £100 overnight is easily doable outside europe.

[webpunter]

That explains it

Should of mentioned I don't punt in europe, havn't in over a year. £100 overnight is easily doable outside europe.

[unclepokey]

Returning to the OP's original question - yes the tension is, in this context, always betwixt the wallet and the urges fed by one's gonads.

If you are in need of instant sexual relief you either have a wank or if your imagination requires some further stimulation you look at some porn on the internet. Mostly it's free.

Beyond that you become a punter. We, punters, allow ourselves the freedom to identify sexual partners via places on the internet such as Adultwork. Entering that medium exposes you to a significant range of sexual service providers.
Good luck

[scutty brown]

Fine.. but needs to talk and spend less...
Then absolutely perfecto!!

Then just ditch Jane and stick with Cheeta instead. At least the chimp won't argue back

[workinallweek]

Should of mentioned I don't punt in europe, havn't in over a year. £100 overnight is easily doable outside europe.

where for that money

[Golden Hind]

where for that money

Most places outside europe and America I would imagine, just read on here and ISG. I've paid less than that in Cuba, Morocco and south Sahara this year. I'm going Colombia soon and from reports I've read it's doable there.

[Payyourwaymate]

Most places outside europe and America I would imagine, just read on here and ISG. I've paid less than that in Cuba, Morocco and south Sahara this year. I'm going Colombia soon and from reports I've read it's doable there.

Surely if you were to include accommodation fees, transport fees etc, would it still not work out almost the same as if you were punting in the UK?

[Golden Hind]

Surely if you were to include accommodation fees, transport fees etc, would it still not work out almost the same as if you were punting in the UK?

I make sure I'm having a holiday on top to justify the cost not just punting, do touristy stuff, surfing, safari or what ever. And it's not just the cheaper price, I find the girls better looking and service streets ahead. I used to spend £400-500 a month before in London punting so I probably spend similar over the year but have more fun and great holidays also.

[Payyourwaymate]

I make sure I'm having a holiday on top to justify the cost not just punting, do touristy stuff, surfing, safari or what ever. And it's not just the cheaper price, I find the girls better looking and service streets ahead. I used to spend £400-500 a month before in London punting so I probably spend similar over the year but have more fun and great holidays also.

Ok that makes sense, I understand now  .

[paper7]

Which are the same for everyone but not all of us get a pay rise every year.

Payrise? Don't know what one of those is!

[GingerNuts]

Payrise? Don't know what one of those is!

Have you managed to save up for a punt yet?

[paper7]

Have you managed to save up for a punt yet?

Not yet, Christmas has well and truly got in the way. Also, my health has taken another nose-dive and I'm now housebound!