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Offline RandomGuy99

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I think the link to porn is pretty clear.

Personally, I find rough sex a turn off and I'd never think of gagging or choking someone during sex.

Discuss.

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

I Used to do that with a girlfriend once, choking, she thought it was the best sex she'd ever had!

However its not without its risks and needs a very clear understanding where to stop. 

Online Punterperson1971

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I think the link to porn is pretty clear.

Personally, I find rough sex a turn off and I'd never think of gagging or choking someone during sex.

Discuss.
I find it a turn off too the only rough sex I’ve had even with a wg is pulling her hair as I fucked her or smacking her ass as I fucked her,and that’s only because she let me do it as it was her idea.

Offline winkywanky

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I think the link to porn is pretty clear.

Personally, I find rough sex a turn off and I'd never think of gagging or choking someone during sex.

Discuss.


I don't personally like it. It took me a while before I was comfortable with slapping a girl's bum!

That's actually a very good article, it says: BBC research suggests a third of women in the UK have experienced unwanted violence during consensual sex. Note the use of the word unwanted.

The interview with the woman says pretty well the same thing.

Sex should always be consensual. If the other person doesn't like it, don't do it. Even sensual sex is power-play. The balance of power can be one way or the other, or in the middle, or indeed, vary from occasion to occasion. It can get a little rough sometimes. You can have fun with that. But ALWAYS with consent, and ALWAYS being aware of the other person's responses.

That poor British girl in NZ who got killed. She was backpacking, she Tindered, met a guy, went out and got drunk with him, had sex, she got killed. The piece of shit that did it said they were playing sex games and it 'went wrong'. Infact it was so much of a game to him, he calculatedly got rid of her body in a suitcase and then promptly went out for another date the next night. He was obviously lying, but more and more nutjobs, psychpaths and violent men will use this as an excuse unfortunately.

Offline distancetravel20

50 Shades also has a lot to answer for.  Spanking, handcuffs, light bondage etc suddenly went a lot more mainstream and a lot of women got into it.  Not justifying violence of course but it was a big turning point.
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Offline winkywanky

Not so long ago now, a gay guy got jailed for doing stuff like nailing someone's foreskin to a piece of wood (yes, it sounds like Dinsdale from Monty Python).

This, despite the fact that all the guys who came to see him WANTED THIS, and were repeat visitors.

I guess you'd have to draw the line at someone asking you to kill them, but where is the line?

Offline Happylad

I have heard that some women actually like a bit of rough with their conjugals.  Personally I`d be scared stiiff that they`d retaliate by giving me a black eye or a knee in the balls - either of which would be highly embarrassing, as well as a serious affront to my dignity as an elder citizen.

Online cunningman

Personally, I find rough sex a turn off and I'd never think of gagging or choking someone during sex.
+1
I find bangbros and the like uncomfortable - and that's hardly the most extreme, much prefer euro porn.
As for real life, well - WTF?

Offline Payyourwaymate

Well, a WG tried to choke me mid sex and I was in shock as it was so random and I did not ask for it, same chick told me then to pound her harder in prone and go deeper but I ran out of dick, I was genuinely worried. The only WG I have ever come across that was like that. It goes both ways  :lol:.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2019, 10:11:46 pm by Payyourwaymate »

Online finn5555

Just ask them or when in a relationship you soon know what they want / desire so whilst I get what she is saying it’s all about communication isn’t it  :unknown:
She looks red and flustered in that interview maybe deep down she loved it  :sarcastic: :sarcastic:

Offline scutty brown

Not so long ago now, a gay guy got jailed for doing stuff like nailing someone's foreskin to a piece of wood (yes, it sounds like Dinsdale from Monty Python).

This, despite the fact that all the guys who came to see him WANTED THIS, and were repeat visitors.

I guess you'd have to draw the line at someone asking you to kill them, but where is the line?

There was a case like that in Germany ten years or so ago.......a chap who requested a gay punt with the intention that he'd end up getting killed and eaten. As far as I can remember it happened, police caught the cannibal and his defence was on the lines of "he asked for it..."

Offline RandomGuy99

She looks red and flustered in that interview maybe deep down she loved it  :sarcastic: :sarcastic:
Are you for real?


Offline Kool Keef

Not particularly my thing, but some girls like being choked during sex in my experience, I've had a WG grab my hand & put it around her neck whilst I was fucking her in mish, wanting me to choke her, I did but lightly.
I had an ex who liked it, in fact she used to choke me at the same time sometimes, much harder than I choked her I might add, I nearly passed out one time, started seeing stars lol.
Crazy bitch!
The slapping & such in porn I'm not into at all, does nothing for me.
Was reading an article earlier today about Nikki Benz,  seems like she's had her porn career black balled after complaining on social media about a co star & director being too rough with her on set.

Offline PepeMAGA

As someone that does Jiu-jitsu, I associate choking with fighting other men. I wouldnt want to see it another way and start getting erections when rolling with guys
« Last Edit: November 28, 2019, 11:46:17 pm by PepeMAGA »

Offline winkywanky

I have heard that some women actually like a bit of rough with their conjugals.  Personally I'd be scared stiiff that they'd retaliate by giving me a black eye or a knee in the balls - either of which would be highly embarrassing, as well as a serious affront to my dignity as an elder citizen.



This.


 :lol:

Offline winkywanky

There was a case like that in Germany ten years or so ago.......a chap who requested a gay punt with the intention that he'd end up getting killed and eaten. As far as I can remember it happened, police caught the cannibal and his defence was on the lines of "he asked for it..."

Apparently the Court Transcript shows he said: "I vos jusst obeying orderss"  :D

Offline winkywanky

Not particularly my thing, but some girls like being choked during sex in my experience, I've had a WG grab my hand & put it around her neck whilst I was fucking her in mish, wanting me to choke her, I did but lightly.
I had an ex who liked it, in fact she used to choke me at the same time sometimes, much harder than I choked her I might add, I nearly passed out one time, started seeing stars lol.
Crazy bitch!

Was reading an article earlier today about Nikki Benz,  seems like she's had her porn career black balled after complaining on social media about a co star & director being too rough with her on set.


All this is fine. Consensual. Leading to very hot sex. Hot sex is very nice

As you're alluding to I think, the consensual aspect, there still needs to be consent at all times. Consent becomes lost when one partner loses consciousness, same as with alcohol. If you're incoherent you can't give consent, that's when the other party has to ease off.

In the throes of sex this can be hard. But very necessary.




« Last Edit: November 29, 2019, 11:32:54 am by winkywanky »

Offline tynetunnel

It’s not for me at all. Never has appealed, I’m quite gentle and loving during sex. I’d never have any wish to choke anyone, even if asked. Like WW says, this is what the guy in New Zealand claimed. Who knows? I won’t be risking prison for anyone, even if she begs to be choked or strangled. I value my liberty and could never live with any unintended consequences

Online Simon_9000

Not particularly my thing, but some girls like being choked during sex in my experience, I've had a WG grab my hand & put it around her neck whilst I was fucking her in mish, wanting me to choke her, I did but lightly.

Once, I had a WG riding me CG and in the heat of the moment, she spontaneously held me down by the neck. She very quickly realised what she was doing, apologised and stopped, only for me to ask her to do it again.  ;)

It's certainly not something I look for in a girl but in the heat of the moment, was fun.

Offline Kool Keef

Once, I had a WG riding me CG and in the heat of the moment, she spontaneously held me down by the neck. She very quickly realised what she was doing, apologised and stopped, only for me to ask her to do it again.  ;)

It's certainly not something I look for in a girl but in the heat of the moment, was fun.

When it happens it's part of a natural build up & progression, where the sex is quite intense & passionate already.
There has to be some level of trust there as well.

Offline p3ngu1n

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Agree with the obvious link to porn.

Playing devil's advocate, there's no ruling out the possibility that she may have to work on her communication skills, if she's been choked three times on separate occasions, by different men  :unknown:

Offline RandomGuy99

I wonder if WGs get more guys wanting rough sex now that US porn features while a lot of rough stuff.   I'd have thought it can get a bit scary for a working girl if a punter suddenly starts choking or spanking them. 

I iust want a good energetic passionate shag no need for choking or rough stuff.

Offline hungrypunt

the amount of young girls that are into this on Seeking is astounding. My experience is the complete opposite of what her views are.

I blame the porn for these young teens and twenty somethings being into it. Choking, spanking,gagging, cuffs/ropes/toys etc are all part of the kit I have. I dont see issues with it if its consensual discussed and and done in a safe way. But like anything else diminished reward and the need to push boundaries even further can become dangerous.

I regularly get "proud" pictures sent to me of bruised arses and boobs back of throats etc days after a heavy session.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2019, 03:02:14 pm by hungrypunt »

Offline king tarzan

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I think the link to porn is pretty clear.

Personally, I find rough sex a turn off and I'd never think of gagging or choking someone during sex.

Discuss.

100% agree with you...
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Offline Gordon Bennett

A third of women? Really? These wild uncorroborated "stats" that derive from surveys where people self-report are complete cobblers. Nobody responds to a survey/questionnaire by saying they are dull, lazy, indolent, drink too much, overweight, have micro genitals and eat mostly chips do they? People lie and embellish things to make themselves seem racier, sexier and more attractive.

Offline fatboy

Not so long ago now, a gay guy got jailed for doing stuff like nailing someone's foreskin to a piece of wood (yes, it sounds like Dinsdale from Monty Python).

This, despite the fact that all the guys who came to see him WANTED THIS, and were repeat visitors.

I guess you'd have to draw the line at someone asking you to kill them, but where is the line?

Just being cruel but fair..,.......a long lost arm (or even member) of the Pirahna family maybe :sarcastic:


Offline OakTree

You do see it a lot in porn nowadays where they slap the girl round the face or even her tits. Totally off putting for me.

There's actually a video out there of Tori Lane walking of a porn shoot after being slapped. She'd told them beforehand anyone slaps me and I'm off.

Offline nant

Definitely down to some men watching violent porn and not having the intelligence to differentiate it from real life. A bit like these idiots that accost actors who play baddies as if it's really them. Pretty dumb really.

Never been into violence in sex and find it a big turn off in porn tbh. Choking and spitting into the mouth...horrible IMO. Did have an ex who liked having her arse slapped during sex. She seemed to get off on it. I sometimes wonder if girls that like this have had some sort of violence/abuse in their younger lives and there's a connection. I know my ex did.

Nant.

Offline winkywanky

Nobody responds to a survey/questionnaire by saying they are dull, lazy, indolent, drink too much, overweight, have micro genitals and eat mostly chips do they? People lie and embellish things to make themselves seem racier, sexier and more attractive.


You're quite right, nobody ever asks me anything  :unknown:.

Offline winkywanky

You do see it a lot in porn nowadays where they slap the girl round the face or even her tits. Totally off putting for me.

There's actually a video out there of Tori Lane walking of a porn shoot after being slapped. She'd told them beforehand anyone slaps me and I'm off.


Good for her.

Sadly, she might lose some work because of it, but she should stand up for herself.

And hopefully, as is the modern way, speak out on her social media platform.

Offline winkywanky

I have no doubt porn has made it 'fashionable', with the impressionable feeling they have to indulge, or be left out.

I do think it has always gone on though. It's just dangerous that constant exposure of it via porn will make it seem like the norm. It isn't.

Online S.X. MacHine

Definitely down to some men watching violent porn and not having the intelligence to differentiate it from real life. A bit like these idiots that accost actors who play baddies as if it's really them. Pretty dumb really.

Never been into violence in sex and find it a big turn off in porn tbh. Choking and spitting into the mouth...horrible IMO. Did have an ex who liked having her arse slapped during sex. She seemed to get off on it. I sometimes wonder if girls that like this have had some sort of violence/abuse in their younger lives and there's a connection. I know my ex did.

Nant.



Spitting is vile. Choking is dangerous, though I know a couple of WGs (and one civvy female) who like it.
Spanking during sex; yeah, some women like it. Not my wife, though.
While any BDSM activities must only be by consent, some youthful porn watchers seem to be oblivious of this.

Offline unclepokey

For me any kind of violence or pain in a sexual act is simply a no-no and is a complete turn off.

It's true that on both sides a degree of vigour in the physical and the verbals can assist the accomplishment of a satisfactory orgasm.

Uncle Pokey

Offline RandomGuy99

I think a lot of the youngsters see it in porn and think it's normal behaviour.  A lot of kids these days learn everything they know about sex from what they see on the internet.  I suspect there's more girls being asked for anal and other stuff the boys see in porn and want their girlfriends to do.  It's pretty sad really.

I've never really gotten the whole BDSM thing.  I'm very vanilla in my wants.   To make it perfect give me some great DFK, a blowjob and some passionate sex and then a nice mug of hot chocolate at the end and I'll go home a happy man or fall asleep on the bed.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2019, 05:13:04 pm by RandomGuy99 »

Online Punterperson1971

I always ask if it’s ok for me to spank her during sex even if it is on her profile I still ask most say yes as long it’s it’s not too hard,even then I’m cautious the one regular I see insists on it and one time she was that turned on every spank on her ass she was whimpering “thank you” even though it was not very hard .
« Last Edit: November 29, 2019, 05:14:31 pm by Punterperson1971 »

Offline king tarzan

For me any kind of violence or pain in a sexual act is simply a no-no and is a complete turn off.

It's true that on both sides a degree of vigour in the physical and the verbals can assist the accomplishment of a satisfactory orgasm.

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Offline Bogof60

Agree with the obvious link to porn.

Playing devil's advocate, there's no ruling out the possibility that she may have to work on her communication skills, if she's been choked three times on separate occasions, by different men  :unknown:

Must say I did think that as well.

I am not into violence in any way against women and would probably shy away if invited to get nasty with a WG.

BUT

Some women bring it on themselves.  :scare:
If your fetish is being strangled during sex then its best IMHO to agree rules before participation
Isn't this what happens in the BDSM world? One which i have not explored or want to.

In my region there was a candidate for a local MP who used to host a show on regional radio who has recently had to back down as a candidate due to some little shit digging up a comment he made in a discussion some time ago in a discussion about date rape.
The Comment went something like this.
"If Women want to stop giving out the wrong signals Then maybe they should keep their Knickers on"
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Offline winkywanky

"If Women want to stop giving out the wrong signals Then maybe they should keep their Knickers on"

I have to say, I do think that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say. On the radio, or anywhere to be honest. And then the guy runs for Parliament?

If it's an arranged date, there's presumably already a degree of familiarity. So if the evening goes 'well' and there's intimacy later on, foreplay, even the knickers coming off, the woman for whatever reason should always, at whatever point, be able to say 'stop', and things do stop. There is no 'point of no return' for the man. I guess if penetration had actually already occurred and she then said stop, then it might be a debatable point whether he pulled out quick enough or decided he was going to finish off in any case.

There's all sorts of grey areas now though, and society's view has definitely shifted. You see so many groups of young girls going out together in pornstar stilettoes, tiny little cocktail dresses with no underwear on, squealing and screaming and getting completely out of it in pubs and clubs, and then going home with a stranger, being able to barely stand up.

The inevitable happens, they have sex, the girl wakes up next to some bloke who she doesn't remember much about, and it's obvious sex has taken place. She doesn't remember consenting and she now very much wishes sex hadn't taken place. Pick the bones out of that one! If it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that she technically didn't consent, then that is rape. But is it morally? Or just 'technically'?




« Last Edit: November 29, 2019, 06:24:22 pm by winkywanky »

Offline tynetunnel

I think a lot of the youngsters see it in porn and think it's normal behaviour.  A lot of kids these days learn everything they know about sex from what they see on the internet.  I suspect there's more girls being asked for anal and other stuff the boys see in porn and want their girlfriends to do.  It's pretty sad really.

I've never really gotten the whole BDSM thing.  I'm very vanilla in my wants.   To make it perfect give me some great DFK, a blowjob and some passionate sex and then a nice mug of hot chocolate at the end and I'll go home a happy man or fall asleep on the bed.

Same here

Online cunningman

You do see it a lot in porn nowadays where they slap the girl round the face or even her tits. Totally off putting for me.
Me too, but I was with one WG and she slapped her clit 'to wake it up a bit'. She was ginning and I'd already played my cards for enjoying RO, but I was 'WTF? I'm kissing it better now or what?'.  Things went from weird to better (and eventually really good) but it was a very weird thing.

Mind you I had fun with a civvy once who like having her nipples pinched.  I totally failed to do what she wanted so she showed me on mine.  I nearly passed out. Instant floppy, too. Was Not Good.


Offline B4bcock

"If Women want to stop giving out the wrong signals Then maybe they should keep their Knickers on"

I have to say, I do think that's a pretty ridiculous thing to say. On the radio, or anywhere to be honest. And then the guy runs for Parliament?

If it's an arranged date, there's presumably already a degree of familiarity. So if the evening goes 'well' and there's intimacy later on, foreplay, even the knickers coming off, the woman for whatever reason should always, at whatever point, be able to say 'stop', and things do stop. There is no 'point of no return' for the man. I guess if penetration had actually already occurred and she then said stop, then it might be a debatable point whether he pulled out quick enough or decided he was going to finish off in any case.

There's all sorts of grey areas now though, and society's view has definitely shifted. You see so many groups of young girls going out together in pornstar stilettoes, tiny little cocktail dresses with no underwear on, squealing and screaming and getting completely out of it in pubs and clubs, and then going home with a stranger, being able to barely stand up.

The inevitable happens, they have sex, the girl wakes up next to some bloke who she doesn't remember much about, and it's obvious sex has taken place. She doesn't remember consenting and she now very much wishes sex hadn't taken place. Pick the bones out of that one! If it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that she technically didn't consent, then that is rape. But is it morally? Or just 'technically'?

Insightful comments, as always, WW.    We men have to tread so carefully theses days.  It's not surprising so many of us opt for punting, where we have sex with pre-arranged limits, rather than embarking on relationships where one misunderstanding or one foot 'over the line' can have catastrophic repurcussions, including a stretch inside.

Offline Trotter671

Once, I had a WG riding me CG and in the heat of the moment, she spontaneously held me down by the neck. She very quickly realised what she was doing, apologised and stopped, only for me to ask her to do it again.  ;)

It's certainly not something I look for in a girl but in the heat of the moment, was fun.

I've had this happen before as well. A girl I've seen quite a number of times, took me by surprise.

Offline B4bcock

I've had this happen before as well. A girl I've seen quite a number of times, took me by surprise.

. . . and assaulted you without your consent.  It kinda works one way only, doesn't it?

Offline paper7


I don't personally like it. It took me a while before I was comfortable with slapping a girl's bum!

That's actually a very good article, it says: BBC research suggests a third of women in the UK have experienced unwanted violence during consensual sex. Note the use of the word unwanted.

The interview with the woman says pretty well the same thing.

Sex should always be consensual. If the other person doesn't like it, don't do it. Even sensual sex is power-play. The balance of power can be one way or the other, or in the middle, or indeed, vary from occasion to occasion. It can get a little rough sometimes. You can have fun with that. But ALWAYS with consent, and ALWAYS being aware of the other person's responses.

That poor British girl in NZ who got killed. She was backpacking, she Tindered, met a guy, went out and got drunk with him, had sex, she got killed. The piece of shit that did it said they were playing sex games and it 'went wrong'. Infact it was so much of a game to him, he calculatedly got rid of her body in a suitcase and then promptly went out for another date the next night. He was obviously lying, but more and more nutjobs, psychpaths and violent men will use this as an excuse unfortunately.
Spot on!

Offline Tonyg

as with everything... dialogue and consent is the key, dont do anything without prior consent
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Offline signy

Lots of good stuff on this thread. As a purely subjective view, it would seem that posters here have a better idea of what is acceptable than the general population. I wonder if our interaction with escorts gives us a more mature and considered outlook than other men. Are we learning something?

As someone who enjoys roleplay, including a number of sub/dom scenarios, and a little light BDSM, I wouldn't do anything (even at my very soft level) without prior discussion, or at least giving the woman a chance to opt out within the roleplay. There is a big difference between doing something gently whilst a woman is in a dominant position and able to move away, compared to going full-bore straight off whilst she is pinned down. Trust and experience are vital.

Consent is important, but it is difficult enough to get people as far as "no means no" and "too insensible to consent means no" before we get more nuanced. Consent is only yes until it is no. Even if agreed beforehand, if something is hurting a woman (that she doesn't want) then FFS stop; have a cuddle and a chat and talk about boundaries and going slower. If someone is so self-centred within their activites that they are not aware enough of their partner to know if things are going too far, then they shouldn't be partaking in that activity.

To the above posts, a woman is perfectly entitled to walk down the street with no knickers flashing her bits (as long as it is within the law) without it meaning she wants to have sex with me, you, prehistoric MPs or anyone else.

(Sorry if this became a bit of a rant).

Offline Aengus

Lots of good stuff on this thread. As a purely subjective view, it would seem that posters here have a better idea of what is acceptable than the general population. I wonder if our interaction with escorts gives us a more mature and considered outlook than other men. Are we learning something?

As someone who enjoys roleplay, including a number of sub/dom scenarios, and a little light BDSM, I wouldn't do anything (even at my very soft level) without prior discussion, or at least giving the woman a chance to opt out within the roleplay. There is a big difference between doing something gently whilst a woman is in a dominant position and able to move away, compared to going full-bore straight off whilst she is pinned down. Trust and experience are vital.

Consent is important, but it is difficult enough to get people as far as "no means no" and "too insensible to consent means no" before we get more nuanced. Consent is only yes until it is no. Even if agreed beforehand, if something is hurting a woman (that she doesn't want) then FFS stop; have a cuddle and a chat and talk about boundaries and going slower. If someone is so self-centred within their activites that they are not aware enough of their partner to know if things are going too far, then they shouldn't be partaking in that activity.

To the above posts, a woman is perfectly entitled to walk down the street with no knickers flashing her bits (as long as it is within the law) without it meaning she wants to have sex with me, you, prehistoric MPs or anyone else.

(Sorry if this became a bit of a rant).

I agree wholeheartedly with this.  Safe words, trust and respect are essential at even the mildest bdsm play.  The woman should always have ultimate control and this understood from the start.  Guys on here are generally responsible types who have experience with women. Its when people get into stuff they have no experience on, haven’t bothered to find out and don’t realise the consequences that very serious problems arise

Offline myothernameis


Personally, I find rough sex a turn off and I'd never think of gagging or choking someone during sex.


Role play has got a lot to answer for, and on profile on AW, the escort was up for anything the punter wanted to act out.  So that might include school girl, office secretary or home alone mother, and the punter acts out a rape fantasy.  Now I would have thought something like this is asking for danger, and with many sickos out there, its more than a fantasy

After the escort had talked things through with the punter, it was agreed she would leave her front door open, and the punter turns up, at a set time

Offline myothernameis

I've had this happen before as well. A girl I've seen quite a number of times, took me by surprise.

There an escort in Glasgow, has taken some guys by surprise, by stick her finger up your backside, and aims for your prostate while wanking you off  :lol: :lol: :lol: