Is it really taking one for the team?

[LL]

Verb

Take one for the team

1. (idiomatic, informal) To accept some chore, hardship or punishment for the sake of one's friends or colleagues.
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Sometimes I like to take a risk and punt someone who doesn't have any reviews here yet. I'll always review her afterwards. I know this is appreciated and likewise I appreciate it when others do the same. But as for the term we use, TOFTT. I don't see the task as a chore, hardship or punishment. If it goes well I'll be the immediate beneficiary. So I see it as more TOFM (Take One [risk] For Myself). Some might argue that a sacrifice has still been made since the person "taking one for the team" could have instead spent his money on a girl he'd had a good experience with in the past and thus he is more likely to have a positive punt again. Personally I don't see it as a sacrifice either since seeing brand new girls gives me a much bigger buzz. Even if it goes pear-shaped at least I would have tried. I might be feeling shitty afterwards (if it goes very badly) but just sticking to the same girls all the time, I'll simply regret not being more adventurous and that regret will stay with me longer than the feeling of emptiness after a really shit punt, which quickly subsides if I find something to take my mind off it.

When I'm in the right mood I just want to take that risk and I would do so even if there didn't exist anywhere to document the experience afterwards.

So in summary, I very much appreciate first reviews of girls, which others contribute here (I have benefited from many and always try to thank people in each case I have benefited). I'll continue to contribute this type of review myself. Of course reviewers are free to use whatever term they like for it and I'm not saying otherwise. For me personally, I no longer feel the term TOFTT fits my own experiences.

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[LL]

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Thanks for your contribution. Care to elaborate?

[nike]

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[AnthG]

To be honest, I always thought Take one for the team in the punting sense was more so in cases where there was evidence this was going to be bad. But you do it anyway in the hope it may be good and you can report.

So for example, a fit girl joins AW. But a few people think it may be fake photos being used so you could end up going to the door and getting anything answering.

Or seeing a new Spanish girl with great photos sign up. And you might get a Romanian.

To be honest, this day and age. I kind of don't want to punt uknown girls at all. As I know how poor the punt can potentially turn out. So those guys being prepared to do it and risk losing their £100. I kind am really appreciative of them and do class them as helping out the punting community. Maybe not taking one for the team. but definitely being extremely helpful.

[seeker]

Imo
Its the fact that you have tried a unknown  commodity
And "shared "your experience with your fellow
Hoor misters  that its a TOFTT and always appreciated 

[mrhappypants]

LL,  I am grateful for the opportunity to return to the discussion with you about TOFTT where we can have a constructive debate.  As you know, unlike you I think TOFTT is important and to be celebrated.  Here is why.

I think your argument is that there is no sacrifice associated with a TOFTT review.  I fundamentally disagree.  TOFTT punts are certainly more risky than punting WG's who have existing reviews.  If I look at my own case of the handful of reviews I have done which are TOFTT, only one of those is positive review. This is against my run rate for general reviews of about 50% positive (I am a sloppy researcher and opportunistic by force of circumstance).   I think the risk of wasting money on an unsatisfactory punt is much greater with TOFTT.

Secondly, quite apart from the greater risk of a TOFTT punt, it is self sacrificing to publish a review where the review draws attention and increased custom to the WG.  In my own case, I only saw a TOFTT punt twice before she increased her rates by 50%.  So, if my review played a part in making her more popular, I lost out for publishing the review.

The reason I value TOFTT reviews is that they are absolutely vital to the value and quality of this board.  There are plenty of fuckers on UKP who never write reviews, who sponge parasitically of the contributors and give nothing back.  Only slightly better are those will write 5 or more reviews of the same girl trotting out the same bland story of how she is young, beautiful, slim and offers great service regardless of the truth.  They benefit no one except themselves and the WG's they promote. 

Contrast these time-wasting useless arseholes to those members who take the risk, invest their own time and money, and then share it back with us for our benefit so we can get better punts.  I think they are heroes.  I will recognise and thank them for their contribution.  They help me make better decisions about where to punt. 

"Take One For The Team"?  Too right they do.

Dave

[LL]

As you know, unlike you I think TOFTT is important and to be celebrated.

I didn't say first reviews were unimportant. It's the self-congratulatory nature of them that can be a bit much sometimes. Like for instance putting TOFTT in the subject line of a review - it's superfluous since we can all see it's the first review anyway (from the lack of links to earlier reviews under the posting). To me this type of review can sometimes come across as somebody blowing their own trumpet (but depends upon the way the review itself is written not just the subject).

I think your argument is that there is no sacrifice associated with a TOFTT review.

No I wrote that I personally don't feel I have made any sacrifices.

I fundamentally disagree.  TOFTT punts are certainly more risky than punting WG's who have existing reviews.  If I look at my own case of the handful of reviews I have done which are TOFTT, only one of those is positive review. This is against my run rate for general reviews of about 50% positive (I am a sloppy researcher and opportunistic by force of circumstance).   I think the risk of wasting money on an unsatisfactory punt is much greater with TOFTT.

Yes the risk is greater but so too is the potential reward. Perhaps not everyone who punts unknown girls is doing so out of the goodness of their heart. It certainly feels good to give something back to the community and by the way I regularly do it (just that I don't always label each of my reviews for new girls as such so as to seek recognition for it as you do). This giving something back is only my secondary aim. The primary one, again for me is to find a gem.

Secondly, quite apart from the greater risk of a TOFTT punt, it is self sacrificing to publish a review where the review draws attention and increased custom to the WG.  In my own case, I only saw a TOFTT punt twice before she increased her rates by 50%.  So, if my review played a part in making her more popular, I lost out for publishing the review.

Your second point is a separate thing entirely. It's not always the first positive review that will encourage this max exodus of lurkers to call a particular girl. I would argue then every reviewer who posts positive comments about any girl at any time runs the risk of making that girl more difficult for themselves to book and/or more expensive. So in that case every review is a sacrifice in your definition, not just the first for each girl.

The reason I value TOFTT reviews is that they are absolutely vital to the value and quality of this board.  There are plenty of fuckers on UKP who never write reviews, who sponge parasitically of the contributors and give nothing back.  Only slightly better are those will write 5 or more reviews of the same girl trotting out the same bland story of how she is young, beautiful, slim and offers great service regardless of the truth.  They benefit no one except themselves and the WG's they promote. 

Contrast these time-wasting useless arseholes to those members who take the risk, invest their own time and money, and then share it back with us for our benefit so we can get better punts.  I think they are heroes.  I will recognise and thank them for their contribution.  They help me make better decisions about where to punt. 

"Take One For The Team"?  Too right they do.

Each girl is only as good as her last review. I value all reviews as equally important. If a girl gets a positive as her first review, I would proceed with caution before booking her. After she gets a few more reviews under her belt, from members whom I trust then I know she's likely to offer a consistent service and I'm in for a good punt.

[Nagilum]

TOFTT is not defined on UKP as it is in the definition you have from the wiki source.

It is more about seeing a non reviewed girl that potentially could be disastrous. I would therefore define is as taking a gamble on behalf of the team that could potentially benefit the majority.

That's my view on it.

I have a TOFTT to write later on 

[LL]

TOFTT is not defined on UKP as it is in the definition you have from the wiki source.

It is more about seeing a non reviewed girl that potentially could be disastrous. I would therefore define is as taking a gamble on behalf of the team that could potentially benefit the majority.

So you spent all that money on your last TOFTT punt, just for us?!
Come on!

[Nagilum]

So you spent all that money on your last TOFTT punt, just for us?!
Come on!

Actually, no It was a negative I kept my money 

I actually do the TOFTT's for the forum.  I benefit from the reviews and its my way to contribute, besides you are never really in danger of losing your money if you can develop the confidence to walk away.  This is why TOFTT is not advisable for all.   For example I was in Scotland earlier in the year.  Uncharted territory, and I went out on a punt, wanted to see three girls. All awful and I managed to get a free shag, play with 2 pairs of tits and only pay £20.  I gave a negative for all three and that spared many punters in that region.

[theGOAT]

TOFTT is not defined on UKP as it is in the definition you have from the wiki source.

It is more about seeing a non reviewed girl that potentially could be disastrous. I would therefore define is as taking a gamble on behalf of the team that could potentially benefit the majority.

That's my view on it.

+1

[smiths]

Verb

Take one for the team

1. (idiomatic, informal) To accept some chore, hardship or punishment for the sake of one's friends or colleagues.
External Link/Members Only

Sometimes I like to take a risk and punt someone who doesn't have any reviews here yet. I'll always review her afterwards. I know this is appreciated and likewise I appreciate it when others do the same. But as for the term we use, TOFTT. I don't see the task as a chore, hardship or punishment. If it goes well I'll be the immediate beneficiary. So I see it as more TOFM (Take One [risk] For Myself). Some might argue that a sacrifice has still been made since the person "taking one for the team" could have instead spent his money on a girl he'd had a good experience with in the past and thus he is more likely to have a positive punt again. Personally I don't see it as a sacrifice either since seeing brand new girls gives me a much bigger buzz. Even if it goes pear-shaped at least I would have tried. I might be feeling shitty afterwards (if it goes very badly) but just sticking to the same girls all the time, I'll simply regret not being more adventurous and that regret will stay with me longer than the feeling of emptiness after a really shit punt, which quickly subsides if I find something to take my mind off it.

When I'm in the right mood I just want to take that risk and I would do so even if there didn't exist anywhere to document the experience afterwards.

So in summary, I very much appreciate first reviews of girls, which others contribute here (I have benefited from many and always try to thank people in each case I have benefited). I'll continue to contribute this type of review myself. Of course reviewers are free to use whatever term they like for it and I'm not saying otherwise. For me personally, I no longer feel the term TOFTT fits my own experiences.

When I punt its first and foremost for myself, if its a negative I will do a review, if its a positive I may or may not do a review, or I may delay doing the positive until I have had my fill of the WG. I do reviews in the hope some punters may find them useful, if some do great, if not such is life.

I don't view punting with a WG with no reviews or feedback on here as taking one for the team but I have no problem with punters who do see it like that and/or mention it as long as they aren't clearly trying to big themselves up. After all its paying a WG to suck and fuck you for cash, anyone with the cash can do it so I don't see it as something to big yourself up about, or some kind of achievement, some do though as can be seen when they say they are jealous or envious. The day I have such thoughts will be the day I knock punting on the head. Those punters that do try to big themselves up are sometimes of the dodgy variety, the Unclesnidehearts and his sidekick Finch among others now banned, and Marty McFly/Asianbeast.

[dude86]

Fucking hell this thread defines 'overthinking'!

[Brazilian Martian]

To be honest, I always thought Take one for the team in the punting sense was more so in cases where there was evidence this was going to be bad. But you do it anyway in the hope it may be good and you can report.

So for example, a fit girl joins AW. But a few people think it may be fake photos being used so you could end up going to the door and getting anything answering.

Or seeing a new Spanish girl with great photos sign up. And you might get a Romanian.

To be honest, this day and age. I kind of don't want to punt uknown girls at all. As I know how poor the punt can potentially turn out. So those guys being prepared to do it and risk losing their £100. I kind am really appreciative of them and do class them as helping out the punting community. Maybe not taking one for the team. but definitely being extremely helpful.

  good post

[mrhappypants]

Fucking hell this thread defines 'overthinking'!

Not at all.  Seeing and reviewing WG's who have not been reviewed before is the absolute life blood of this forum.  This forum is dead without fuckers prepared to do this.

Dave

[Johnbean]

I personally us it in the ironic sense of the term. "Do I REALLY have to have great sex with this young attractive nubile lady? Oh if I must, I'll toftt..."

[dude86]

Not at all.  Seeing and reviewing WG's who have not been reviewed before is the absolute life blood of this forum.  This forum is dead without fuckers prepared to do this.

Dave

I don't disagree, in fact I totally agree that TOFTT is the best way to describe it, since then guy runs the risk of everything from a disappointing punt to getting his face kicked in when entering unknown waters, so to speak.

[Jay-Jay]

Fucking hell this thread defines 'overthinking'!

In this case I would say no, but I do know what you're getting at. Whilst this is an invaluable forum there is often an element of navel gazing by some 

Jay

[Alvin]

I personally appreciate guys who visit new and non UKP reviewed girls and let the rest of us know their findings.  I get limited opportunities to punt and do tend to stick with a couple of girls I that I have seen before that I know will give me good service.  When I do go outside of my usuals I will review good or bad, I sometimes put in a review of someone I have seen several times even if she is well reviewed as we all tend to look for something different in a session plus it is good to see if the service level is consistant.

If people want to label it TOFTT I'm not that bothered, it is handy as an identifier though when looking at the thread titles on the review pages.  It is a lot better than some of the reviews which have the title of "waste of time" or "avoid" with no name of the girl.

[peter purves]

For me personally, I no longer feel the term TOFTT fits my own experiences.

Persumably at some point you did believe in the concept, can you put your finger on the button, when it changed (ie date) and why? Cheers

I am of the view that it is used in many ways here almost (like a metaphor) primarily as a source of camaraderie amongst punters, to big up oneself (ie subtle or overt) etc.

My take is at the root of TOFFT is self-interest which can be 'cloaked' by others as altruism - nothing wrong with that.

[Steve2]

Here's a couple of TOFTT. Neither had been reviewed or mentioned on here

A bad one

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=101182.0

A gem known now known as Xena

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=12632.0

[shagbambi]

I didn't say first reviews were unimportant. It's the self-congratulatory nature of them that can be a bit much sometimes. Like for instance putting TOFTT in the subject line of a review - it's superfluous since we can all see it's the first review anyway (from the lack of links to earlier reviews under the posting). To me this type of review can sometimes come across as somebody blowing their own trumpet (but depends upon the way the review itself is written not just the subject).

I agree with this comment in particular the part about TOFTT in the subject line of the review.

As has been pointed out by other members, I too see girls with no reviews but don't do it as a community service.  I see them because I believe unreviewed girls are easier to book, are not yet running conveyor belts, have introductory pricing, offer better service because there is lower chance of being burn out and they are often part timers trying out escorting. With a bit of experience you learn to avoid the obvious train wrecks.  I will add that you need to be a fairly confident punter as often you will need to lead the punt due to the girl's inexperience.

Beyond this I get the chance to find and enjoy a gem before the stampede begins.