When is a brothel not a brothel?

[anontom]

If more than one independent WG is working from the same address on the same day, with the possibility of you bumping into another punter - that's a brothel, right? The only thing missing is the maid, but technically they are not independent WG.

Just a pedant asking a pedantic question.

[Jonestown]

If there is one girl and a maid it's a brothel. If there is a different girl working on another day, although only one at a time, it's a brothel.

[Yaardie]

If there is one girl and a maid it's a brothel. If there is a different girl working on another day, although only one at a time, it's a brothel.

Agreed.

Although does it matter if there's a maid present?
I figured as long as there is one or more girl there any given day then it's classified as a brothel.

[Mcping]

More than one girl paid for sex is a brothel. One girl at any time is not.

Another day, a different girl is ok providing only one girl present. No need for maids

[Yaardie]

More than one girl paid for sex is a brothel. One girl at any time is not.

Another day, a different girl is ok providing only one girl present. No need for maids

Figured as much!

[Corus Boy]

I believe Jonestown is correct.

The law on maiding and brothels

Definition of a brothel:

Any premises - for example, private flats, saunas, massage parlours - may be classified as a brothel if they are used by more than one man or woman for the purpose of prostitution, whether on the same day or on different days.
So, if you share premises with someone else and work on alternate days or weeks the premises will still count as a brothel, even though there is never more than one person working at any one time.

Where rooms or flats on one building are let separately to different individuals offering sexual services, the premises as a whole may still count as a brothel if the individuals are effectively working together.  Evidence of shared keys, washing and toilet facilities, staircases, tennancy agreements etc will still be relavent.

If you are the only person who provides sexual services on premises, with or without the assistance of a non working maid, the premises is not a brothel.

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[anontom]

That's what I thought, more than one girl on the same day, a brothel.

Edit: OK, not necessarily more than one girl on the same day. As long as the premises is used by more than one, albeit on different days.

[fredpunter]

That's what I thought, more than one girl on the same day, a brothel.

Ignore

[joe diddley]

When it's a walkup.

Boom Boom!

[ClarkeOfTheCourse]

I believe Jonestown is correct.

The law on maiding and brothels

Definition of a brothel:

Any premises - for example, private flats, saunas, massage parlours - may be classified as a brothel if they are used by more than one man or woman for the purpose of prostitution, whether on the same day or on different days.
So, if you share premises with someone else and work on alternate days or weeks the premises will still count as a brothel, even though there is never more than one person working at any one time.

Where rooms or flats on one building are let separately to different individuals offering sexual services, the premises as a whole may still count as a brothel if the individuals are effectively working together.  Evidence of shared keys, washing and toilet facilities, staircases, tennancy agreements etc will still be relavent.

If you are the only person who provides sexual services on premises, with or without the assistance of a non working maid, the premises is not a brothel.

External Link/Members Only

You learn something every day, I thought it was a brothel if more than one WG worked there at the same time, I didn't know that the moment a WG lends her working flat to a friend when they're not working, whether they get paid for it or not, they're breaking the law, even for a studio flat. Seems excessive.

[Steely Dan]

Who cares?  This is a punters forum, not a place to give legal advice to pimps.

The main thing for this forum is, paid-for sex with non-trafficked escorts over 18 is legal for us. Call it what you will.

But anyway, the OP's question is a false choice. Just because the place becomes a brothel, that does not mean that the escorts are all of a sudden not independent WG.  If they work for themselves and keep all the money, I consider them independent.  Equally, a girl working in a flat on her own, who does what Sergei says and gives 90% of the fee to Sergei for whatever reason, is hardly independent whether the venue is legally a brothel or not.

[anontom]

But anyway, the OP's question is a false choice. Just because the place becomes a brothel, that does not mean that the escorts are all of a sudden not independent WG.  If they work for themselves and keep all the money, I consider them independent.  Equally, a girl working in a flat on her own, who does what Sergei says and gives 90% of the fee to Sergei for whatever reason, is hardly independent whether the venue is legally a brothel or not.

That's why I asked the question, I'm not comfortable turning up expecting to see a girl and then finding there are/might be other punters there.

[Jonestown]

That's why I asked the question, I'm not comfortable turning up expecting to see a girl and then finding there are/might be other punters there.

Maybe if you are that shy/sensitive then outcalls are the way to go.

[anontom]

Just want a poke without distractions, that's all.

Also, you book a girl who you think works on their own, only to find its a knocking shop.

[smiths]

If there is one girl and a maid it's a brothel. If there is a different girl working on another day, although only one at a time, it's a brothel.

Indeed, but also if there is no maid but more than 1 WG works out of the premises as a WG at any time its a brothel.

[smiths]

Just want a poke without distractions, that's all.

Also, you book a girl who you think works on their own, only to find its a knocking shop.

In which case if you find out straight away you can leave if it bothers you that much.

[smiths]

Who cares?  This is a punters forum, not a place to give legal advice to pimps.

The main thing for this forum is, paid-for sex with non-trafficked escorts over 18 is legal for us. Call it what you will.

But anyway, the OP's question is a false choice. Just because the place becomes a brothel, that does not mean that the escorts are all of a sudden not independent WG.  If they work for themselves and keep all the money, I consider them independent.  Equally, a girl working in a flat on her own, who does what Sergei says and gives 90% of the fee to Sergei for whatever reason, is hardly independent whether the venue is legally a brothel or not.

Some punters may care, I think UKP is a good place to post about the legalities of punting for the benefit of punters.

I agree with your third paragraph but of course its not just Sergei, loads of pimps are Brits and women.

[smiths]

You learn something every day, I thought it was a brothel if more than one WG worked there at the same time, I didn't know that the moment a WG lends her working flat to a friend when they're not working, whether they get paid for it or not, they're breaking the law, even for a studio flat. Seems excessive.

The reason its illegal is a pimp could otherwise get round the law by only having 1 WG available per day, and be able to use different WGs on different days. The Bunny Lounge in London used to do this, 1 WG per day but it was obviously still a brothel. If 2 or more WGs who haven't a pimp/s do this they are still breaking the law, it then comes down to whether the police choose to nick them. And ultimately ANY WG could have a pimp of course, a punter may not be aware of it as the pimp might be down the pub getting pissed on the WGs money while she is working

[Bud$]

Don't worry. Nobody gets arrested or charged for earning money from sex as long as there's only one girl working at any one time at any one place and as long as the person who receives money from the girl who is working does not receive money from any other girl or girls working at another place or places.

[vt]

Don't worry. Nobody gets arrested or charged for earning money from sex as long as there's only one girl working at any one time at any one place and as long as the person who receives money from the girl who is working does not receive money from any other girl or girls working at another place or places.

Hey Bud, you could earn some cash by getting that paragraph included in the upcoming Idiot's Guide to Pimping!!     

[scutty brown]

Don't worry. Nobody gets arrested or charged for earning money from sex as long as there's only one girl working at any one time at any one place and as long as the person who receives money from the girl who is working does not receive money from any other girl or girls working at another place or places.

bit I've highlighted isn't true. There have been cases where the pimp has got banged up over only one girl