Another pimp busted.

[Captainhowdy666]

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[PumpDump]

What a joke. If he was in any other business it would not be a problem. If he was a manager in Pimlico Plumbers sending plumbers out to clients, negotiating fees, it would not be a problem. There are some people in positions of power in this country who have a real problem with sex. They say the women were being exploited, where is the proof? What did the women say in interviews?

[daviemac]

What a joke. If he was in any other business it would not be a problem. If he was a manager in Pimlico Plumbers sending plumbers out to clients, negotiating fees, it would not be a problem. There are some people in positions of power in this country who have a real problem with sex. They say the women were being exploited, where is the proof? What did the women say in interviews?

He wasn't in any other business though so your comments are pointless and misinformed. Pimping women for prostitution is illegal, sending plumbers out isn't and it doesn't matter what the women said, it doesn't alter the fact the bloke broke the law and the proof was presented in a court of law, hence him being guilty.

[Steely Dan]

I agree that the police and courts were following the current law.  But some aspects of the current law are poor. If the police and courts everywhere followed the law to the greatest extent possible, it would be much more difficult to punt in this country.  Potentially no London agencies, no sex parties ... perhaps even a MFF in-call would be difficult (two escorts=brothel?).  Not suggesting there is any likelihood of the laws easing.  If anything, we hear the opposite: occasional whispers of the NI model being extended.

I hope that the status quo lasts for now. Any attempt to change would likely backfire.  And anyway, this particular pimp sounds like a bad guy, so I don't mind he is in jail.

[Captainhowdy666]

What a joke. If he was in any other business it would not be a problem. If he was a manager in Pimlico Plumbers sending plumbers out to clients, negotiating fees, it would not be a problem. There are some people in positions of power in this country who have a real problem with sex. They say the women were being exploited, where is the proof? What did the women say in interviews?

Nobody is forced into plumbing but I suspect plenty of sex trafficked women are force into it.

[daviemac]

I agree that the police and courts were following the current law.  But some aspects of the current law are poor. If the police and courts everywhere followed the law to the greatest extent possible, it would be much more difficult to punt in this country.  Potentially no London agencies, no sex parties ... perhaps even a MFF in-call would be difficult (two escorts=brothel?).  Not suggesting there is any likelihood of the laws easing.  If anything, we hear the opposite: occasional whispers of the NI model being extended.

I hope that the status quo lasts for now. Any attempt to change would likely backfire.  And anyway, this particular pimp sounds like a bad guy, so I don't mind he is in jail.

I don't understand the logic in your argument, I can only speak for the Nort East but the way it works up here is the police know full well that agencies provide accommodation and that escorts share flats, they even do welfare visits to check on SPs, as long as the agencies don't take the piss and don't advertise services then they let them get on with it.

They do come down hard on any that step out of line like they did with Notorious Girls who's owners were jailed. They also take action against any instances of trafficking or coercing, in the past they have raided Rom brothels and Asian massage parlours.

From what I can see those who abide by the unwritten rules are alright but those who are involved in trafficking or any form of coercing are quite rightly brought to book. Something I am more than happy with. 

[PumpDump]

He wasn't in any other business though so your comments are pointless and misinformed. Pimping women for prostitution is illegal, sending plumbers out isn't and it doesn't matter what the women said, it doesn't alter the fact the bloke broke the law and the proof was presented in a court of law, hence him being guilty.

I am not saying it is legal, I am saying it SHOULD BE legal. Why is someone who arranges appointments for women such a problem? This of course is assuming the women are not trafficked, coerced or forced in any way, it is their complete free will. Many SPs don't like the hassle of placing their own ads, renting properties with all the hassles that goes with it (passing reference checks, paying a large deposit, etc). They are happy to pay a fee to someone to do this for them.

[scutty brown]

I am not saying it is legal, I am saying it SHOULD BE legal. Why is someone who arranges appointments for women such a problem? This of course is assuming the women are not trafficked, coerced or forced in any way, it is their complete free will. Many SPs don't like the hassle of placing their own ads, renting properties with all the hassles that goes with it (passing reference checks, paying a large deposit, etc). They are happy to pay a fee to someone to do this for them.

You're making a big assumption in the text I've highlighted, and I believe in this case your assumption is wrong

[theaccountant]

I am not saying it is legal, I am saying it SHOULD BE legal. Why is someone who arranges appointments for women such a problem? This of course is assuming the women are not trafficked, coerced or forced in any way, it is their complete free will. Many SPs don't like the hassle of placing their own ads, renting properties with all the hassles that goes with it (passing reference checks, paying a large deposit, etc). They are happy to pay a fee to someone to do this for them.

Legalising Prostitution also has its negative effects; the Red Light district in Amsterdam is a good case for this. When brothels became fully legal in 2000, it actually increased the amount of trafficking in the country, which further increased when the Easter blocks joined the EU later in that Decade.

The increase in cheaper escorts and the vast number of them pushed out the local escorts and placed a further burden on local law enforcement. There are talks within the Netherlands to reduce the size of the Red Light District to limit this, but what do you think the result would be?

[daviemac]

I am not saying it is legal, I am saying it SHOULD BE legal. Why is someone who arranges appointments for women such a problem? This of course is assuming the women are not trafficked, coerced or forced in any way, it is their complete free will. Many SPs don't like the hassle of placing their own ads, renting properties with all the hassles that goes with it (passing reference checks, paying a large deposit, etc). They are happy to pay a fee to someone to do this for them.

Prostitution IS legal, it's the pimping as in this case that is illegal. Read reply #5 I think you will find it explains a lot of your concerns. There's agencies all over the country arranging bookings for escorts without any hassle but you seem to be condoning the actions of the lowlife pimps.

Maybe read the article thoroughly as well to see where he went wrong in comparison to other agencies.

Detective Inspector Al Teague, West Midlands Police's Force Priorities Team, said: “Wang’s business was the sexual exploitation of women and a form of modern slavery.

“He would negotiate the terms of the encounters the girls would have without consulting them.

The highlighted part is exploitation plain and simple and you want it legalised.   

[PumpDump]

Prostitution IS legal, it's the pimping as in this case that is illegal. Read reply #5 I think you will find it explains a lot of your concerns. There's agencies all over the country arranging bookings for escorts without any hassle but you seem to be condoning the actions of the lowlife pimps.

Ok, make this simple for me, in your mind what is the difference between an "agency" and a "pimp". They both do the same thing, no?

[PumpDump]

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The highlighted part is exploitation plain and simple and you want it legalised.   

Your modus operandi is to deliberately misconstrue what people say. This is why I try to avoid engaging with you. Have a nice day.

[daviemac]

Ok, make this simple for me, in your mind what is the difference between an "agency" and a "pimp". They both do the same thing, no?

FFS you can't be this stupid.

Agency - they arrange bookings for the escorts on their books with full consultation with the girl and with the fee and commission agreed between them. Basically the same as any other type of agency.

Pimp - coerces girls into prostitution sometimes including trafficking, arranges booking for the girls but without any consultation with them tells them where to go and keeps far more of the money.

Read the article and compare the differences yourself.

Your modus operandi is to deliberately misconstrue what people say. This is why I try to avoid engaging with you. Have a nice day.

I can only read what you write and you said arranging bookings should be legalised on a thread that is all about a lowlife pimp being jailed.

[datwabbit]

What a joke. If he was in any other business it would not be a problem. If he was a manager in Pimlico Plumbers sending plumbers out to clients, negotiating fees, it would not be a problem. There are some people in positions of power in this country who have a real problem with sex. They say the women were being exploited, where is the proof? What did the women say in interviews?

The proof will be in the interviews the women gave to the police.