Has Anyone gone from Client to Lover of a Working Girl

[Ali Katt]

It was. I was joking with you, not at you  .

I wasn't sure as you didn't quote me. They want Daddy, but they end up with a brat.

[winkywanky]

Somehow, I couldn't imagine you being bratty! 

[Ali Katt]

Somehow, I couldn't imagine you being bratty! 

Why should girls have all the fun?

[winkywanky]

Very true 

[whydoidothis]

I did not put up the post to brag but to see if other punters like myself had similar experiences.
Is it unusual? How often does it happen?
If you have been out with an escort outside work?
Does it constitute a relationship, well we have known each other for over 15 years and none of my relationships after my divorce lasted that long. So maybe I should say we have developed a friendship with benefits.
I wouldn't want to live with her - too much clutter and grown up married son close by.
I would say she is my best friend.
Does she still do escorting - I reckon so, she is approaching 60, well a few years to go so old age will stop her in the end. She is still attractive, still enjoys sex much more than my other relationships. Most women over 50 don't bother about sex.
The awful thing is I still punt - if she lived closer than 60 miles things may be different.
So please share your thoughts and experiences. It's an interesting subject better than BREXIT

[MissWolf]

Most women over 50 don't bother about sex.

Achem... over 50, a woman and horny as fuck here   

[LLPunting]

Achem... over 50, a woman and horny as fuck here   

If only we were in the same room, we could have a relationship and enlighten OP    This is not flirting, purely an academic proposal to a stranger whom I have no clue about and perhaps we might not choose to engage once eyes had been set upon one another.  PUNT!

[LLPunting]

I did not put up the post to brag but to see if other punters like myself had similar experiences.
Is it unusual? How often does it happen?
If you have been out with an escort outside work?
Does it constitute a relationship, well we have known each other for over 15 years and none of my relationships after my divorce lasted that long. So maybe I should say we have developed a friendship with benefits.
I wouldn't want to live with her - too much clutter and grown up married son close by.
I would say she is my best friend.
Does she still do escorting - I reckon so, she is approaching 60, well a few years to go so old age will stop her in the end. She is still attractive, still enjoys sex much more than my other relationships. Most women over 50 don't bother about sex.
The awful thing is I still punt - if she lived closer than 60 miles things may be different.
So please share your thoughts and experiences. It's an interesting subject better than BREXIT

Ali Katt?  Honours?

[MissWolf]

If only we were in the same room, we could have a relationship and enlighten OP    This is not flirting, purely an academic proposal to a stranger whom I have no clue about and perhaps we might not choose to engage once eyes had been set upon one another.  PUNT!

Agh if only.....deal! 
Disclaimer.....this is not flirting either 

[Colston36]

Achem... over 50, a woman and horny as fuck here   

How many women over 50 are not affected by the change and still feel sexy? The last escort but one that I had a sexual relationship with - we are still very good friends, talk most days - just went right off sex. A disaster as it was amazing till then.

[Doc Holliday]

Yet again this topic resurfaces. It just won't lie down and die 

Although I think the term 'lover' in the question may be a first? The 'L' word always muddies the picture.

[Colston36]

Yet again this topic resurfaces. It just won't lie down and die 

Although I think the term 'lover' in the question may be a first? The 'L' word always muddies the picture.

Why?

[MissWolf]

Yet again this topic resurfaces. It just won't lie down and die 

Although I think the term 'lover' in the question may be a first? The 'L' word always muddies the picture.

Context is key when dealing with the "L" word..

One can love someone who is not their lover

One can have a lover that they are not in love with...

[stevedave]

Has Anyone gone from Lover to Client of a Working Girl?

Not quite, but I dated a girl for a few months and then probably about 6 months after we split up, she popped up on AW.

[Colston36]

Context is key when dealing with the "L" word..

One can love someone who is not their lover

One can have a lover that they are not in love with...

Absolutely. I have a very loving relationship with an escort who lives with someone else. I think the romantic view of love confuses the hell out of things.

[Jonestown]

Yet again this topic resurfaces. It just won't lie down and die 

I think its a basic male concept, if a sex worker with vast experience of men sees you as suitable material for a partner, of some sort, then you must be, both in and out of the sack, one hell of a guy.

[winkywanky]

How many women over 50 are not affected by the change and still feel sexy? The last escort but one that I had a sexual relationship with - we are still very good friends, talk most days - just went right off sex. A disaster as it was amazing till then.

Yes, many women are prey to two big changes in their lives.

The first (which impacts on their other halves as we often see here) is after marriage and kids, the libido falling off a cliff.

The second is after menopause, same can happen.

Women who get past both these points with their libido intact are seemingly quite a rare thing. I think they can also be a little batshit crazy, perhaps it goes with the territory? Some women even have a resurgence in libido after menopause, I don't know quite why. And of course there's HRT to throw into the mix as well. Starnge, mysterious creatures is what they are  .

[winkywanky]

Context is key when dealing with the "L" word..

One can love someone who is not their lover

One can have a lover that they are not in love with...

In which case you're in lust with that person.

[winkywanky]

I think its a basic male concept, if a sex worker with vast experience of men sees you as suitable material for a partner, of some sort, then you must be, both in and out of the sack, one hell of a guy.

Perhaps male construct might be a better term?

[Ali Katt]

Ali Katt?  Honours?

If you're not paying for it it sounds like you are fuck buddies (I hate that term) or fwb.

[Ali Katt]

I think its a basic male concept, if a sex worker with vast experience of men sees you as suitable material for a partner, of some sort, then you must be, both in and out of the sack, one hell of a guy.

Have you ever seen a couple and you ask yourself why are they together? You look at the relationship dynamic and it is very clear she is the boss, then it makes sense.

[Colston36]

If you're not paying for it it sounds like you are fuck buddies (I hate that term) or fwb.

Or just lovers. Until all these silly expressions came up that was the name.

I used to see a lady regularly years ago who was very happily married - but we fucked. We were lovers. She still buys me lunch. So I guess that was the ultimate benefit.

[Fuzzyduck]

I think its a basic male concept, if a sex worker with vast experience of men sees you as suitable material for a partner, of some sort, then you must be, both in and out of the sack, one hell of a guy.

And/or minted. I expect expertise in the sack is often the lowest of the 3 priorities.

[Bonker]

I have never been remotely close to any relationship with a WG other than a paid session.

For 2 reasons :
1. The risk of blackmail, outing, complications.
2. I am pig ugly and no woman would come anywhere near me unless she was paid. I usually have to take a portable glory hole with me. Even with the missus.

No disrespect to guys that do, good luck to you.

[MT balls]

2. I am pig ugly and no woman would come anywhere near me unless she was paid. I usually have to take a portable glory hole with me. Even with the missus.

Like it

[winkywanky]

I usually have to take a portable glory hole with me. Even with the missus.

Are you a Hasidic Jew?

(I'm sure you're not really that fugly).

[Horizontal pleasures]

Yes, many women are prey to two big changes in their lives.

The second is after menopause, same can happen.

What I like is ladies who get even more randy after their menopause.

[Bonker]

What I like is ladies who get even more randy after their menopause.

Or, even better, after they get the telegram from the Queen. 

[winkywanky]

Necrophilia is a whole different ball game! 

[Bonker]

Are you a Hasidic Jew?

Don't get that reference. Sorry WW.

[winkywanky]

Doing it through a hole in a sheet.

[Ali Katt]

Doing it through a hole in a sheet.

I'm not into ghosting.

[Bonker]

Ahh. Didn't know that. 

[Horizontal pleasures]

Are you a Hasidic Jew?

Doing it through a hole in a sheet.

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[winkywanky]

Doing it through a hole in a sheet.

I'm not into ghosting.

...it's a good way to put the willies up someone...

[winkywanky]

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Thanks for the inside info HP.

As ever, the truth isn't nearly as entertaining as the rumour.

[workinallweek]

Back to the original question
 client to lover no  client to friend yes  once for about 3 years when they retired   then once which is ongoing but who knows were it will lead ...

[Doc Holliday]

Context is key when dealing with the "L" word..

One can love someone who is not their lover

One can have a lover that they are not in love with...

You are of course correct and the term lover has traditionally covered someone who you have a sexual/emotional relationship with outside of marriage. Is this definition a little dated I suspect it is? Then there is the term 'making love'?
I was really commenting that I didn't think I had seen it used before whenever this topic crops up and it does with remarkable regularity going back donkeys. Which in turn led me to the 'L' word.

The association between love and sex is a complex subject, the discussion, of which is beyond this answer and indeed the two will be closely linked in ‘relationships’. They can of course also exist as separate entities. Many punters reading are in loving relationships but seek sex elsewhere. The majority of punters separate the two unless EAS creeps in!

When a punter and wg first meet it is a purely sexual encounter albeit a distorted one due to the financial nature of it. Even more so than a typical one night stand. The quality of such an encounter will hopefully be satisfactory for the punter, but for the SP will likely be very average/tolerable at best.

But just occasionally a punter will push the right buttons and even more occasionally the SP will then seek a non monetary arrangement, to which the punter agrees. Whilst this is not common it is probably commoner than many think? Call it 'lover' or 'fuck buddy' as you wish 

Most are in my experience fairly short lived for a whole host of reasons, one of which is when either one or both partners feel it is developing into something else ‘emotion wise’ and that is not what they are looking for.

However in an even smaller number of cases and if the ‘L’ word starts to rear its head (on both sides) then the relationship may develop into something else. If it does then the hurdles of "can she trust a punter" and "can he cope with her shagging other men" have to be overcome. That final hurdle often results in the demise of a further chunk of punter/wg relationships and we are left with an even smaller number of successes. But they do happen.

[Ali Katt]

You are of course correct and the term lover has traditionally covered someone who you have a sexual/emotional relationship with outside of marriage. Is this definition a little dated I suspect it is? Then there is the term 'making love'?
I was really commenting that I didn't think I had seen it used before whenever this topic crops up and it does with remarkable regularity going back donkeys. Which in turn led me to the 'L' word.

The association between love and sex is a complex subject, the discussion, of which is beyond this answer and indeed the two will be closely linked in ‘relationships’. They can of course also exist as separate entities. Many punters reading are in loving relationships but seek sex elsewhere. The majority of punters separate the two unless EAS creeps in!

When a punter and wg first meet it is a purely sexual encounter albeit a distorted one due to the financial nature of it. Even more so than a typical one night stand. The quality of such an encounter will hopefully be satisfactory for the punter, but for the SP will likely be very average/tolerable at best.

But just occasionally a punter will push the right buttons and even more occasionally the SP will then seek a non monetary arrangement, to which the punter agrees. Whilst this is not common it is probably commoner than many think? Call it 'lover' or 'fuck buddy' as you wish 

Most are in my experience fairly short lived for a whole host of reasons, one of which is when either one or both partners feel it is developing into something else ‘emotion wise’ and that is not what they are looking for.

However in an even smaller number of cases and if the ‘L’ word starts to rear its head (on both sides) then the relationship may develop into something else. If it does then the hurdles of "can she trust a punter" and "can he cope with her shagging other men" have to be overcome. That final hurdle often results in the demise of a further chunk of punter/wg relationships and we are left with an even smaller number of successes. But they do happen.

This is a thoughtful post. As I said I've never been offered anything off the books apart from a drink with someone old enough to be my mother.

I've highlighted the bit as many times I've had really unsatisfying one night stands mainly in my teens and early twenties - I was fucking stupid and I felt nothing it was just the thrill and novelty of having sex that excited, not to mention the enigma of decoding the sexual act. I've also had relationships, also mainly when I was younger and I had amazing chemistry on a personal level, but when it came to sex it wasn't exciting or fulfilling for either of us; it was weird, but it happens quite a bit in relationships.

[Doc Holliday]

I've highlighted the bit as many times I've had really unsatisfying one night stands mainly in my teens and early twenties - I was fucking stupid and I felt nothing it was just the thrill and novelty of having sex that excited, not to mention the enigma of decoding the sexual act. I've also had relationships, also mainly when I was younger and I had amazing chemistry on a personal level, but when it came to sex it wasn't exciting or fulfilling for either of us; it was weird, but it happens quite a bit in relationships.

Yes you are right ... crap sex is just that, whatever the relationship.

The holy grail of course comprises mutually fulfilling sex, combined with 'amazing chemistry' on many other levels, which leads to 'deep lurve' for each other. 

This can be difficult to find in any situation, but much more so in the world of paid sex ........ but it can and does happen 

[RogerBoner]

This can be difficult to find in any situation, but much more so in the world of paid sex but it can and does happen 

Then you marry that person, have kids, the sex comes to an end. You start punting, find some chemistry with a WG and then find yourself contributing to this UKP  thread.

[The Bandit 5342]

Over ten years ago I started punting with a girl who I eventually learnt was mired in drugs and would have rung numerous alarm bells under various heads discussed on this forum

Today she is probably my best friend - we spend many hours a week together. She is clean, back with her family, and has turned her life around completely. We are not partners - or lovers - but our lives would not be the same shape without each other.

I am proud of what she has done, and of her achievements. I am on first name terms with every member of her extended family, and she and my wife are fully aware of, and do, on occasion socialise with each other.

Its a strange old world - but when I see someone in such an improved state from when I first made her acquaintance, I am happy that there seems to be a positive outcome of what could have taken such a different course - as we have both witnessed over the last decade in so any tragic cases.

[Ali Katt]

Then you marry that person, have kids, the sex comes to an end. You start punting, find some chemistry with a WG and then find yourself contributing to this UKP  thread.

I don't want to derail this too much, but in that situation is the sex salvageable. I know a friend in that situation, I've asked him if he would cheat and he says no.

[Fuzzyduck]

Over ten years ago I started punting with a girl who I eventually learnt was mired in drugs and would have rung numerous alarm bells under various heads discussed on this forum

Today she is probably my best friend - we spend many hours a week together. She is clean, back with her family, and has turned her life around completely. We are not partners - or lovers - but our lives would not be the same shape without each other.

I am proud of what she has done, and of her achievements. I am on first name terms with every member of her extended family, and she and my wife are fully aware of, and do, on occasion socialise with each other.

Its a strange old world - but when I see someone in such an improved state from when I first made her acquaintance, I am happy that there seems to be a positive outcome of what could have taken such a different course - as we have both witnessed over the last decade in so any tragic cases.

It's heart-warming to hear of a positive outcome like this. You probably contributed to her salvation so well done for that. That said, your wife is cool that you used to fuck drug addicts?

[LLPunting]

I don't want to derail this too much, but in that situation is the sex salvageable. I know a friend in that situation, I've asked him if he would cheat and he says no.

Of course you don't AK 

Wait! What?  Cheat on an SP that you married who may or may not have retired but has stopped shagging you...  I swear I was on the East Coast Line so why am I now passing through Exeter?

[Ali Katt]

Of course you don't AK 

Wait! What?  Cheat on an SP that you married who may or may not have retired but has stopped shagging you...  I swear I was on the East Coast Line so why am I now passing through Exeter?

You know me too well. Cheat on his wife, he don't move in this circle, but he is doing my head in. I wouldn't mind if he talks about every woman he sees if he actually talked to them. He's sounding desperate to be honest.

[Gowerboy]

Having just gone through this it’s not easy .
I had to end it ,because I couldn’t cope with saying good bye in the morning knowing what she was doing .
The final straw came when she quit then returned without telling me .

[Payyourwaymate]

Having just gone through this it’s not easy .
I had to end it ,because I couldn’t cope with saying good bye in the morning knowing what she was doing .
The final straw came when she quit then returned without telling me .

Hmmm.... it's unfortunate that she quit, otherwise; you could have posted a review of her so others can do their due diligence and sample  .

[neil_williams]

not quite the same thing but my ex wife got into escorting as we were swingers, she left me for a client.

[Cellular40]

not quite the same thing but my ex wife got into escorting as we were swingers, she left me for a client.

Shit!