London punting: what a shitshow!

[Yeboahsleftfoot]

The London reviews section makes horrific reading, where are the good girls?

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[scarebear]

So pleased im on a break from punting, as im recovering from my hernia op!.

Dont look like ive been missing much!

[scutty brown]

The London reviews section makes horrific reading, where are the good girls?

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Tarzan scared them off?

[HighlyMotivated]

Need that Polish trio of Nicole, Natalie and the other one (Julia?) back

Also Warren Street Sky... god she was great 

[Steely Dan]

Agree.  I noticed the 'wall of red'. At least you boys are telling us about your poor results. Thanks to all who post a red review.

I hope that there are secret good punts too.  Be brave boys, share a gem.  If she doesn't get enough punters, she may go back to Hungary anyway.

[Maverick1808]

I was shocked when I checked in earlier to see a wall of Red! Seems the place is full of time wasters and Piss Poor Performers at the moment.

Hoping to organise a punt for Friday so let's hope it's a "Green" when I review!

[charming_red]

This shitshow is partly why I haven't been punting for almost a year.

Hours of crawling through shit on AW and then seeing negatives to one who you remotely thought was decent 

[ralhar]

yeah it's been going steadily downhill for a while and it's getting critical now...

the banking crisis combined with aggressive attempts to outlaw put a serious dent in London punting during the 00's... this was followed by gentrification of our traditional RLD's... the exchange rates for the pound less attractive than ever before and the cost of living soars with only really a slight improvement (at best) to the economy for most people...

chuck brexit in there as well and what you have is place where whores don't want to come...

and the less they whore, the less we punt and the less we punt, the less they whore... it's a downward spiral.

This must be the first time in London's history when you couldn't get a decent whore in the west end. What a fucking shambles.

and has it stamped out trafficking? has it fuck... see the street prostitution thread.

[Avogadrosnumber]

yeah it's been going steadily downhill for a while and it's getting critical now...

the banking crisis combined with aggressive attempts to outlaw put a serious dent in London punting during the 00's... this was followed by gentrification of our traditional RLD's... the exchange rates for the pound less attractive than ever before and the cost of living soars with only really a slight improvement (at best) to the economy for most people...

chuck brexit in there as well and what you have is place where whores don't want to come...

and the less they whore, the less we punt and the less we punt, the less they whore... it's a downward spiral.

This must be the first time in London's history when you couldn't get a decent whore in the west end. What a fucking shambles.

and has it stamped out trafficking? has it fuck... see the street prostitution thread.

Pretty much sums it up.

Main two reasons being brexit and the pound being weak.

[sparkus]

Noticed the decline for years but it is spectacularly bad now.

10 years back, newsagents windows and local paper classifieds full of enticing options, then AW search later would reveal plenty in neighbourhood (mainly EE). Now postcode search for my neck of the woods is either dross or long gone WGs.

[Johnny wishbone]

I hear you YLF. It noticeable the decline in quantity and quality. Even when you search in AW for girls in london by age, the number of profiles is down considerably.

[boardyhell]

its the worst i can remember it ever,thought its because i am getting old,but no its crap

[claretandblue]

I havent added anyone new to my hotlist in absolutely ages,agree with pretty much all of the above

[hendrix]

I'm out of action at the moment, but this is the worst I've ever seen in London.

[The888]

It's aweful.

None of the agencies have any talent. Hamiltons and Bijoux used to have a plethora of talent. All that's left is the washed up Tara that have been around for years - Mia, been on everyday for at least 3yrs. Good god.

[Johnny wishbone]

I'm out of action at the moment, but this is the worst I've ever seen in London.

I have noticed the lack of reiews. What's going on????

[ralhar]

what isn't clear to me is why we aren't seeing british women take up the slack... when I started punting around 96 / 97 there were plenty... really sexy northern teens would come down for the weekend and work phone box joints all over the west end... there were also plenty of hags still around Soho... some of the walk ups were strictly british and run by really comical old school firms that you just couldnt believe managed to make a living selling sex they were so fucking awful at what they did... but by the millennium or soon after most british women had been squeezed out and what we had was a fucking renaissance of beautiful warm friendly foreign women keen to provide good sex in return for good money...

So now our banks and politicians (with full co-operation and consent of we the people) have fucking ruined it all... why aren't british women seeing an opportunity?

[Anadin]

So it's not just in my head there really is a lack of talent at the moment & to think a couple of years ago I had a really nice rotation of regulars.

[TrevorN]

That pic by YLF is like the  stock market on a bad day. All punters getting shafted  Bad investment's or bad punts should I say

[naughtyasianj]

I have a feeling that camming is where the girls are going towards nowadays.

Back in the day girls would need to move to London to get a lot of interest from people whereas nowadays, you can add yourself to a cam site and get 100's of people watching you. They make money from tips and doing raffles etc. This seems to be the trend that I am seeing nowadays.

[scutty brown]

I can't help feeling that collectively we're all getting left behind by using websites like AW and Vivastreet. Strikes me that many of the girls - especially the younger ones are more and more using webchat apps  instead. Problem is, which one are they using? Are they standardising on one?

[stampjones]

I can't help feeling that collectively we're all getting left behind by using websites like AW and Vivastreet. Strikes me that many of the girls - especially the younger ones are more and more using webchat apps  instead. Problem is, which one are they using? Are they standardising on one?

Maybe but surely if youre in business then you want to maximise your turnover and therefore profits. Id be surprised if the sites we all use dont cover 90% of the available options (not counting street girls)

[holland]

Tonight..the same shit.


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[scutty brown]

Maybe but surely if youre in business then you want to maximise your turnover and therefore profits. Id be surprised if the sites we all use dont cover 90% of the available options (not counting street girls)

I'm not so sure about that....the sites we use make it relatively easy for the authorities to identify and track down girls and their locations when they feel a need, especially given that the listed phone numbers can be triangulated. I think the pimps/managers/traffickers are beginning to realise that and are finding "underground" ways of marketing the girls through modern apps. I think its an evolving scene and we're just beginning to notice the change

[TrevorN]

Tonight..the same shit.


What makes me laugh if you look at the lady 500 reviews of the site which can't be mention . 95% areally all positive reviews .

It would be anyway . The advertiser's pay fees to be listed so the current's will never let a bad review show . Thank you UKP the best and honest forum board .

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[sparkus]

I've also noticed an increase in AW WGs offering 'B2B' as an option these days, perhaps to reflect market tastes?

I can barely remember my last punt from AW and my last FS was a massage shop upsell with a regular I visited.

[claretandblue]

Its depressing stuff, maybe there is a group of wg's who just operate on uke and are not active on awank? Maybe its down to the rise of camming and "paypigs" or maybe just blame brexit?

[stampjones]

I'm not so sure about that....the sites we use make it relatively easy for the authorities to identify and track down girls and their locations when they feel a need, especially given that the listed phone numbers can be triangulated. I think the pimps/managers/traffickers are beginning to realise that and are finding "underground" ways of marketing the girls through modern apps. I think its an evolving scene and we're just beginning to notice the change

Sure and I dont disagree that something like that could happen, but I think that the pimps need to connect the girls to their market and we represent the established market, so if there was something out there with any level of uptake someone on here would have heard of it and posted. Thats what I hope although the thought of a huge reservoir of untapped young hotties does sound appealing. Can someone tell me the app 

[Jonestown]

Sure and I dont disagree that something like that could happen, but I think that the pimps need to connect the girls to their market and we represent the established market, so if there was something out there with any level of uptake someone on here would have heard of it and posted. Thats what I hope although the thought of a huge reservoir of untapped young hotties does sound appealing. Can someone tell me the app 

If you look on WeChat there are lots of Chinese girls posting, but it's the usual B&S at £150, with everything as an extra.

[Jonestown]

It's all become too easy, for both punters and providers, I think that is part of the problem.

Any girl can set herself up on AW in an hour and reach thousands of punters, whereas in the past with contact mags, newsagents cards, phone box cards it all took days, weeks, months and you reached 10's or 100's of punters. They can expect and can get as many punters as they want, so they get greedy, then they don't want to work as much or as hard as they did before, start cutting corners and short changing punters. Plus now the punting infrastructure is controlled by a small number of people, well I assume it is as there used to be even 10'years ago a large number of independent agencies, now it seems like they are all a front for the same people. Small time pimps are much more prevalent, mostly from EE it would seem, you have to ask how many girls are truly independent, how many are run by pimps and how many just have parasitic "boyfriends". None of these people care about the quality of service, don't care about repeat visits,  just get their money and get them back out the door, next please.

[Moneyd]

Noticed the decline for years but it is spectacularly bad now.

10 years back, newsagents windows and local paper classifieds full of enticing options, then AW search later would reveal plenty in neighbourhood (mainly EE). Now postcode search for my neck of the woods is either dross or long gone WGs.

Pretty much

Ealing area is nothing compared to when I started punting.

[ralhar]

This started before brexit but it didnt help thats for sure... it can only be economic can't it... if the women arent here its because the money isnt... webcamming might explain some of it and might explain why we dont get glamour model types coming down from Leeds or even over from Brazil but it can't be the whole story...

its got to be about money I reckon... the internet has changed things of course but in most industries it has enabled the individual to work independently rather than the opposite and I can't see its any different with sex... and I don't think its that we are all too old to know about some trendy new app that all the kids are using either... let me know if you find it though...

[holland]

I blame the renting situation in London. It would be almost impossible for a EE girl without references to get a place. The prices are crazy as well. They cannot afford to rent a place to work and also a place to live at these prices.

[ClarkeOfTheCourse]

Good news though, demand has obviously dropped off and forum darling Platinum Cindy is now showing availability for this week and next week, rather than the 2-3 month wait of old. Hopeuflly she actually manages her comms properly nowadays.

[stampjones]

If you look on WeChat there are lots of Chinese girls posting, but it's the usual B&S at £150, with everything as an extra.

Yeah tried one of them once in south ken but as you say, was a blatant b&s and I walked. Used it in singapore and got this girl back to my room who fucked me for the cost of a taxi fare. If that happens here I definitely wont be complaining!

[_Bender_]

FFS!!! Will you lot down there stop moaning!! 

You should try living in other parts of the UK, at least you have a good selection of girls and tourers.

[Yeboahsleftfoot]

FFS!!! Will you lot down there stop moaning!! 

You should try living in other parts of the UK, at least you have a good selection of girls and tourers.

Is the whole of the UK becoming a punting wasteland?

We're entitled to moan because punting down here is like TV these days, massive choice, little quality, regardless of what you pay.

I have the time and opportunity to punt this week but haven't found a suitable victim.

[Excalibur]

Yep, I punt in London, Brum and Manx.  Over Easter I fucked off to Hong Kong for 5 day mongering holiday to escape the dross.

[Candyman]

It's cyclical. May take a while but I believe (hope) it will be better soon. Prices may even start to come down in central London too

[BillGoldberg]

It's cyclical. May take a while but I believe (hope) it will be better soon. Prices may even start to come down in central London too

It may get better, but price reduction in London is a pipe dream

[ralhar]

the rent situation has always been a problem and not just in London...

this is where the pimps and madams and rich randy landlords come into it...

but as I said before the gentrification of our traditional RLD's has contributed to the whole thing because its all about footfall and attracting as many potential punters in as possible...

[ralhar]

We're entitled to moan because punting down here is like TV these days, massive choice, little quality, regardless of what you pay.

I have the time and opportunity to punt this week but haven't found a suitable victim.

LOL great analogy

and me too... ive got money to spend just kind find anywhere to spend it...

[Gatehouse]

As ever, its a combination of factors and they are conspiring against the discerning punter at present.

- Rent situation. Not good.

- Demise of the Parlour. Not good. At least there was quality control there and the shit girls were weeded out (prob literally....) Old hat now but had an effect on quality in the market.

- Rise of AW. Has its pluses but also enabling scams galore, b&s, false reviews etc. Ive soent days on that site and come away with fuck all.

- Photoshopping. Particularly of the Agency Girls and its always been with us, but it makes it virtually impossible to make an informed decision now. The average service standard at a London Agency is also piss poor now.

- Camming. Easier money for many girls.

- The decline of the English girl. Decent english working birds are a rarer commodity these days than even 4 years ago.

- The rise of the 'It-Prossie'. £300 ph+ is a fucking drain on resources and there is an increasing trend of ex-leading agency birds and porn stars (whether genuine or did one polaroid in a basement 10 years ago) to ramp up the prices to eye-watering levels. One-offs ok, but make them your regular and the cash will flow like water. The very well heeled only, in other words.

- The rise of extras. Its like a BMW options list - Kissing? £20. Close the door behind you? £10. Use of a towel? £5. Nevermind couples and extra workings girls that are now £100+ for an hour extra and so on.

- The decline of what is left behind. So you are left with what remains after the above is removed and yes there are some crackers in there, but they are over-used and declining in number as a result. Particularly in London.

MeganCarterMay? Abusive online posts about punters.

HornySluttyGirl? Often absent now.

Lucia at Hot Collection? Made her £ (and good luck to her) but often away now.

CutestLucy? Endless comss issues

.....and all of the above are well regarded and reviewed by many punters.

So those that remain and are good, are declining in availability and number.

Im off for a wank......Im afraid it may come to that, permanently.

The fresh talent isnt there and if and when it does arrive, the queue is such that they will be in traction within a week.

Anyone got any answers?!

[BillGoldberg]

As ever, its a combination of factors and they are conspiring against the discerning punter at present.

- Rent situation. Not good.

- Demise of the Parlour. Not good. At least there was quality control there and the shit girls were weeded out (prob literally....) Old hat now but had an effect on quality in the market.

- Rise of AW. Has its pluses but also enabling scams galore, b&s, false reviews etc. Ive soent days on that site and come away with fuck all.

- Photoshopping. Particularly of the Agency Girls and its always been with us, but it makes it virtually impossible to make an informed decision now. The average service standard at a London Agency is also piss poor now.

- Camming. Easier money for many girls.

- The decline of the English girl. Decent english working birds are a rarer commodity these days than even 4 years ago.

- The rise of the 'It-Prossie'. £300 ph+ is a fucking drain on resources and there is an increasing trend of ex-leading agency birds and porn stars (whether genuine or did one polaroid in a basement 10 years ago) to ramp up the prices to eye-watering levels. One-offs ok, but make them your regular and the cash will flow like water. The very well heeled only, in other words.

- The rise of extras. Its like a BMW options list - Kissing? £20. Close the door behind you? £10. Use of a towel? £5. Nevermind couples and extra workings girls that are now £100+ for an hour extra and so on.

- The decline of what is left behind. So you are left with what remains after the above is removed and yes there are some crackers in there, but they are over-used and declining in number as a result. Particularly in London.

MeganCarterMay? Abusive online posts about punters.

HornySluttyGirl? Often absent now.

Lucia at Hot Collection? Made her £ (and good luck to her) but often away now.

CutestLucy? Endless comss issues

.....and all of the above are well regarded and reviewed by many punters.

So those that remain and are good, are declining in availability and number.

Im off for a wank......Im afraid it may come to that, permanently.

The fresh talent isnt there and if and when it does arrive, the queue is such that they will be in traction within a week.

Anyone got any answers?!

Well put!

Emigration to Thailand (or Brazil)?

If I had the readies it's where I'd be regularly mongering

[Vincenzo]

confirm everything you say. Situation in walthamstow is without hope now! i start to look on outside this council but i dont feel so optimistic.

[Nicko1234]

Throw into he mix sugar daddy sites such as SA where most of the young British girls seem to be, as it's possibly a more attractive proposition to them. They can choose who they see and what they want to do, as well as have one or two guys spend silly money on them for an extended period of time.

[Yeboahsleftfoot]

As ever, its a combination of factors and they are conspiring against the discerning punter at present.

- Rent situation. Not good.

- Demise of the Parlour. Not good. At least there was quality control there and the shit girls were weeded out (prob literally....) Old hat now but had an effect on quality in the market.

- Rise of AW. Has its pluses but also enabling scams galore, b&s, false reviews etc. Ive soent days on that site and come away with fuck all.

- Photoshopping. Particularly of the Agency Girls and its always been with us, but it makes it virtually impossible to make an informed decision now. The average service standard at a London Agency is also piss poor now.

- Camming. Easier money for many girls.

- The decline of the English girl. Decent english working birds are a rarer commodity these days than even 4 years ago.

- The rise of the 'It-Prossie'. £300 ph+ is a fucking drain on resources and there is an increasing trend of ex-leading agency birds and porn stars (whether genuine or did one polaroid in a basement 10 years ago) to ramp up the prices to eye-watering levels. One-offs ok, but make them your regular and the cash will flow like water. The very well heeled only, in other words.

- The rise of extras. Its like a BMW options list - Kissing? £20. Close the door behind you? £10. Use of a towel? £5. Nevermind couples and extra workings girls that are now £100+ for an hour extra and so on.

- The decline of what is left behind. So you are left with what remains after the above is removed and yes there are some crackers in there, but they are over-used and declining in number as a result. Particularly in London.

MeganCarterMay? Abusive online posts about punters.

HornySluttyGirl? Often absent now.

Lucia at Hot Collection? Made her £ (and good luck to her) but often away now.

CutestLucy? Endless comss issues

.....and all of the above are well regarded and reviewed by many punters.

So those that remain and are good, are declining in availability and number.

Im off for a wank......Im afraid it may come to that, permanently.

The fresh talent isnt there and if and when it does arrive, the queue is such that they will be in traction within a week.

Anyone got any answers?!

Spot on Gatehouse, I have regularly paid £200 a girl for an EE agency duo in the past and generally enjoyed them but the last few months has delivered too many shit, overpriced punts and situations where I've been negotiating a refund with a semi in a working flat make me reticent to punt that way.

There is such a severe lack of new, particularly British talent, it's depressing.

[Bring me sunshine]

Totally agree with Gatehouse here . The agency quality has gone down the Kazi completely , you now have same girl with 5 different escort names on countless different sites , you research only to find " wasn't she Agnes on that site or was she Suzy on another "
The good agencies ( I know he's not everyone's fave) maxes and alike are now a sad state of affairs , 3 years ago you were spoilt for choice you had 3/4 / 5 hot girls to choose from now it looks like a rejects list ( 1 or 2 hotties maybe) but if they aren't working then why settle for second best and paying top dollar in the process .
AW has been good but again if your preferred choices are off ( sugar daddying mostly) then your fucked ....or not in fact as the case may be .
Of course it's all relative and depends on your pocket but I have struggled this week to find any options .looks like legal porno might get me again .
Let's hope it gets better soon 

[hendrix]

Totally agree with Gatehouse and Nicko's point about SA.

My group of top quality filthy regulars used to be 8/10 strong and is now down to 2, with availability for both often difficult.

On the plus side, the savings are building up!

[Bring me sunshine]

Like it Hendrix , but never been one for saving ...would rather spend , just nowhere to spend at the moment .