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[Son of the Desert]

Any one who thinks that the government is going to explicitly announce that an activity that is borderline illegal is now OK will find themselves waking along time.  All that will happen is that we will reach a "all businesses can reopen stage" and then it's down to what SD rules apply.  Since the government is deliberately exploiting the confusion between what is law and what is merely guidance, don't expect any clarification soon.  There will just come a point (we hope) where the alert level falls and people start getting on with their lives. C-19 will just be one of those things in circulation but hopefully the NHS will be able to cope.

[daviemac]

Any one who thinks that the government is going to explicitly announce that an activity that is borderline illegal is now OK will find themselves waking along time.  All that will happen is that we will reach a "all businesses can reopen stage" and then it's down to what SD rules apply.  Since the government is deliberately exploiting the confusion between what is law and what is merely guidance, don't expect any clarification soon.  There will just come a point (we hope) where the alert level falls and people start getting on with their lives. C-19 will just be one of those things in circulation but hopefully the NHS will be able to cope.

They will explicitly announce that massage parlours can reopen.   

[catweazle]

They will explicitly announce that massage parlours can reopen.   

Yes, there's loads of 100% legit massage parlours out there; not all offer extras. The vast majority are, l think, subject to licensing by the local authority.

[myothernameis]

Any one who thinks that the government is going to explicitly announce that an activity that is borderline illegal is now OK will find themselves waking along time.

There was something mentioned by the government last week, and was in connection with hair dressers.  So hairdressers can open with in the next few weeks, but other places like health & beauty salons, where other service are offered, wont be able to open for the foreseeable future

[Son of the Desert]

They will explicitly announce that massage parlours can reopen.   

That is certainly true - presumably we extrapolate from that.

[daviemac]

Yes, there's loads of 100% legit massage parlours out there; not all offer extras. The vast majority are, l think, subject to licensing by the local authority.

Yes I quite agree, my post was in reply to Son of the Desert's reference to government announcements. By their very nature massages involve physical contact between two, or more, people not related and not from the same household.

Therefore once they announce massage parlours can open, whilst they won't specifically say prostitution, they are giving the green light to close physical contact between two people.

[The Outsider]

Well you’ll be fucked then, or maybe not.. you’ll be avoiding most WGs if that’s your opinion. I can assure you a lot of the WGs you think are being good really aren’t..

Best avoid them all just to be sure!!!

That is somewhere close to my plan! There are some escorts who worked throughout or who returned "way too early" that I will not see.  Their attitude to risk (and society) just don't align with mine. 

As measures have eased, my blacklist has become more "shades of grey" and the later an escort returns the less likely I am to avoid her in the future.

Personally, I'm not planning to punt again until the Covid Alert Level drops to Level 2 meaning "the number of cases and transmission are low".  I appreciate that may be long way off. 

[latecomer]

Yes, the only totally safe option is never to punt at all.  However as punters we accept a certain level of risk, knowing that punting can never be a totally safe activity.  I think it's worth repeating the point made endlessly on this forum that, if you are scared about any element of risk at all, you need to ask yourself whether punting really is for you.

[nervous1]

Got to be honest, I came close today as a few decent SPs are appearing on AW searches now.  Only laziness & a five-knuckle-shuffle prevented me.  If I dont make it through July without a punt then I will post a review of it.

[ulstersubbie]

if you are scared about any element of risk at all, you need to ask yourself whether punting really is for you.

My view as well. I may be slightly less at risk being a mainly BDSM punter but at some point I will have to session, I've been in this game too long now.

[LLPunting]

Yes I quite agree, my post was in reply to Son of the Desert's reference to government announcements. By their very nature massages involve physical contact between two, or more, people not related and not from the same household.

Therefore once they announce massage parlours can open, whilst they won't specifically say prostitution, they are giving the green light to close physical contact between two people.

Had to smile when the Scottish Minister of Finance mentioned Personal Services... at the daily briefing today, alas not to confirm that they would be opening to customers any time soon.

[LLPunting]

Yes, the only totally safe option is never to punt at all.  However as punters we accept a certain level of risk, knowing that punting can never be a totally safe activity.  I think it's worth repeating the point made endlessly on this forum that, if you are scared about any element of risk at all, you need to ask yourself whether punting really is for you.

Given that you have to seriously deny your deteriorating symptoms or state of health to die of an STI or indeed be crippled by it, the present personal risk profile is significantly different to what it was before. 
The further fact you can (un)wittingly pass it on to anyone you happen to breathe, sneeze or cough near or touch for them to be infected and risk the worst of outcomes through no fault of their own makes it even moreso a completely different risk scenario. 
And the fact that there is NO vaccine for it, no fully ameliorating suite of treatments to counter all its known critical cascades means, again, that it is nothing like an STI.

You have to be a seriously self-deluding, selfish individual to believe that engaging in high infection risk contact during a pandemic is "just like normal".

If you're going to take the risk on behalf of everyone you will come into (inadvertent) close contact with for the 2+ weeks after a punt, if you don't self-isolate, then have the balls to admit that you don't give a fuck about their medical outcomes based on your infecting them.  If you're going to be honest be properly honest.

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[winkywanky]

They will explicitly announce that massage parlours can reopen.   

Pretty sure the term 'Massage Parlour' (or perhaps Therapists?) has passed the lips of govt ministers previously?

Everyone knows what it's a euphemism for of course but yes, they would technically be speaking about the 'real thing' and every sex-punter would take their lead from that.

[Brumish]

With regards to track and trace, I don't think it will be all that different to the procedures they have in place at the GUM clinics. With COVID, I should think people would be compelled into providing a reasonably accurate account of their contacts.

[David1970]

With regards to track and trace, I don't think it will be all that different to the procedures they have in place at the GUM clinics. With COVID, I should think people would be compelled into providing a reasonably accurate account of their contacts.

25% off people are not giving information to track and trace, which makes it pointless.
Information was on C4 news tonight.

[Brumish]

25% off people are not giving information to track and trace, which makes it pointless.
Information was on C4 news tonight.

Well that's not a very good stat.
I was also making a broader point in regards to the infrastructure within the NHS and the confidentiality that's attached to these procedures.
So hopefully punters will have a degree of data protection attached to any info sharing with the authorities.

[LLPunting]

25% off people are not giving information to track and trace, which makes it pointless.
Information was on C4 news tonight.

Indeed, and of the "not 100% of contacts provided" that were contacted and told to self-isolate how many will actually self-isolate...

Saw 2 ambulance crews attending a person in the street today, administering CPR on the pavement immediately outside the building where a certain established masseuse is currently practicing.

[LLPunting]

Well that's not a very good stat.
I was also making a broader point in regards to the infrastructure within the NHS and the confidentiality that's attached to these procedures.
So hopefully punters will have a degree of data protection attached to any info sharing with the authorities.

What do you mean by "hopefully"?  And what info sharing are you alluding to?
All personal data held by the NHS is covered by GDPR.

[RedKettle]

25% off people are not giving information to track and trace, which makes it pointless.
Information was on C4 news tonight.

75% of people are - seems like a pretty good result.  No system is going to achieve perfection, it is about grinding down the virus with different strategies, each of which contributes to the fight.

[Hobbit]

Apart from the complications of tracing everyone, how does this work? A punter breaks lockdown rules putting lives at risk for the sake of a shag but it's UKP who are being foolish.   

True, but what do you expect when you have 1000's of fuckers filling beaches and celebrating Liverpool's win. 

[paul_tall_]

It does get complicated if a punter did catch Covid. Imagine if a punter caught Covid and was contacted from the track and trace program and was asked who they have been in contact with. Would they give the name of the SP and if the SP was contacted then would she give the names of all the clients? Obviously, that wouldn't happen and I don't see a punter or an SP giving names.

It does not seem to be a legal requirement to give details, last stats i saw mentioned about a 3rd of people either refused to give details or could not be contacted via details given. Though no breakdown as to how many refused. Given that there are warnings about scams how many would be put off answering or replying if contacted.

[davesjames]

just a thought, it has been become apparent that we was definitely punting when covid was at its peak in march, and couldve been in the country since november.
does anyone think theyve caught it from a SP in the run up to lock down...
Just putting that out there.

[myothernameis]

just a thought, it has been become apparent that we was definitely punting when covid was at its peak in march, and couldve been in the country since november.
does anyone think theyve caught it from a SP in the run up to lock down...
Just putting that out there.

Yes your right, covid-19 could have been in the country, early as Nov, as they have been many reported cases, where members of the public reported similar symptoms to the corona virus, including my self in Jan

No didn't get it from an escort, hadnt even been punting for round this time

[roger_weekly]

A lot of moral high ground being taken on these boards, quite extraordinary considering we have all abandoned most of our morals by punting in the first place

[daviemac]

A lot of moral high ground being taken on these boards, quite extraordinary considering we have all abandoned most of our morals by punting in the first place

You may have the morals of a sewer rat but that doesn't mean others are the same. The majority of punters are decent people who have a very clear idea of what is right and what is wrong.

Where punters see something they believe to be wrong they have every right to call it out. This is an unprecedented situation and whether or not punting is safe is bound to divide opinion. 

[winkywanky]

A lot of moral high ground being taken on these boards, quite extraordinary considering we have all abandoned most of our morals by punting in the first place

From where I'm standing you don't have very good morals, you've been here for two whole years and only reviewed once.

I can't believe you've only punted once in all that time. And you've chosen not to give, only to take on this forum  .

[vindici]

you've chosen not to give, only to take on this forum  .

Perhaps he should change his username to Mr. Gibbs...

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