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Offline Horizontal pleasures

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‘I degraded myself’: women driven to sex work by benefits system.

Do you fancy the mother or the daughter?

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Offline Metalgear2018

Another great post by HP. A legend on here  :drinks:

Offline plums

Definitely the daughter.

I'd be willing to drive her to sex work as long as I got a blowie for petrol.

Offline Jonestown

The mother doesnt look as if she was ever near starving to death, I reckon she did it for the love of cock. Hope the Guardian did a thorough job of fact checking prior to publication.

Offline rubric

The mother doesnt look as if she was ever near starving to death, I reckon she did it for the love of cock.

Not meaning to be unkind, but not entirely sure she could charge that much either.

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Hope the Guardian did a thorough job of fact checking prior to publication.

That's the thing. Is there more to this than meets the eye? Certainly seems something of a sad story if 100% true. Not sure it's a unique scenario though these days.

Offline Trenlover

women have the option to sell themselves to earn extra money

men DO NOT have that option.

if women dont want to sell themselves that puts them on equal footing to men, something feminists are constantly whining for.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2018, 07:22:48 pm by Trenlover »

Offline Jonestown

women have the option to sell themselves to earn extra money

men DO NOT have that option.

Yes we do, haven’t you heard, just pop over to the TS section, all will become clear.

Offline berksboy

women have the option to sell themselves to earn extra money

men DO NOT have that option.

if women dont want to sell themselves that puts them on equal footing to men, something feminists are constantly whining for.

"men DO NOT have that option."

Yes you do , just clean your bum hole  :rolleyes: :D :D :D

Offline django0700

"men DO NOT have that option."

Yes you do , just clean your bum hole  :rolleyes: :D :D :D

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

TizerTerry

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Roughly translated this means some people cannot manage their money and if those that CAN manage their money don't cough up then you're responsible that they have to sell their bodies. If Corbyn ever gets elected we're all going to get a universal shafting like never before (And he wont offer any of us a reacharound). How dare those nasty men force them to offer sexual services for cash ???

Offline tictacs

Christ it says the mother is 42, she looks about 25 years older than that...

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"men DO NOT have that option."

Yes you do , just clean your bum hole  :rolleyes: :D :D :D

Or pucker up and open your gullet

Online LLPunting

What's more outrageous, reprehensible and morally abhorrent?

1)  More women flaunting themselves at the rich men in bars, clubs and anywhere else they can get their attention, with the intent of bagging one and gaining claim to half his worth and a percentage of his pension.

2)  More women having brief, honest transactions where money is exchanged for NSA sex which they have the choice of making as acceptable/pleasurable for themselves as they like.

Offline peter purves

If her local MP Frank Field is correct, she is far from the only woman in the area facing such a choice. This week, he made the startling claim that “universal credit is driving women into prostitution”.

Not sure where the idea of Universal Credit [UC] is derived from but currently seems to be in line with the austerity measures that seems to be gripping the country at present.

Since UC has only been recently unfolded especially in some London areas, perhaps the above is a rash statement from the MP, even if he is apparently against it.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2018, 06:08:57 am by peter purves »
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Offline Lizzie_Lockhart

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I've been approached by a "reporter" looking for an interview along these lines.

They seemed rather shocked when I told them that my reason for becoming a sex worker didn't fit their narrative.

So while I don't doubt there are women and men engaging in survival sex (which is awful in this day and age) it's also possible that the story is being circulated to suit an agenda.

I think the fact that the person contacting me for an interview went out of their way to state there would be no payment shows they either do not believe that people are struggling, or just don't care

Xx

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That's the thing. Is there more to this than meets the eye? Certainly seems something of a sad story if 100% true. Not sure it's a unique scenario though these days.

Everytime you see one of these bleeding heart stories it always comes out that it really wasn't how it was initially portrayed. She'll have been getting the same benefits as any other mother of 3, she will probably have been getting something from the fathers(s). Nothing stopped her getting a proper job during that time - unless the thing they aren't telling you in that article is she has serious criminal convictions or something.


women have the option to sell themselves to earn extra money

men DO NOT have that option.

if women dont want to sell themselves that puts them on equal footing to men, something feminists are constantly whining for.

Despite the glib answers this is right. My guess is even as scabby as that old girl is she could earn more than most guys, less risk than anal with a gay guy and don't have to go gay to do it. It's not an option most guys will go for, and somehow they manage to find other ways.

As Lizzie says agenda driven, write a story and look for somebody whose situation roughly corroborates it.

Offline rubric

Since UC has only been recently unfolded especially in some London areas, perhaps the above is a rash statement from the MP, even if he is apparently against it.

That's not entirely accurate - it's been in the process of being rolled out at various post codes from 2014 - it's only now that it's being rolled out across the country - it seems that it has been rolled out for some folk in the Wirral, so I assume in this case at least that part of his story is true.

Offline DastardlyDick

Women on Benefits have been selling themselves for Sex since way before UC was rolled out.

Offline datwabbit

If her local MP Frank Field is correct, she is far from the only woman in the area facing such a choice. This week, he made the startling claim that “universal credit is driving women into prostitution”.

Not sure where the idea of Universal Credit [UC] is derived from but currently seems to be in line with the austerity measures that seems to be gripping the country at present.

Since UC has only been recently unfolded especially in some London areas, perhaps the above is a rash statement from the MP, even if he is apparently against it.

Haven't you heard, austerity is over. If you say it often enough, you might actually believe it.

Offline rubric

Haven't you heard, austerity is over. If you say it often enough, you might actually believe it.

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"Department for Work and Pension figures show that 12,211 benefit claimants in Wirral had been moved onto the new Universal Credit system by last month. "

Offline datwabbit

Christ it says the mother is 42, she looks about 25 years older than that...
I get the bus to work and the bus interchange I use has a lot of toothless hags changing buses and I'm sure they're younger than they look. Hardship and bad health age people.

Offline Horizontal pleasures

Another great post by HP. A legend on here  :drinks:
Thanks MG

I would love to meet both together, but as that has been in my bucket list for a long time with little chance of success, I would settle for the mother. Most of you posters lost sight of the original question by being too serious in your answers. Punting has to be fun.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2018, 03:26:28 pm by Horizontal pleasures »

Offline Cum_again

Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

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Not sure Austerity is a populist concept dreamed up by the Tories to punish the poor and work shy - rather it's something of a necessity given that even higher taxes is even more unpopular. Since 1997 the growth rate of population has nearly doubled. Divide total tax paid by tax payers and compare 2018 to 1997 and you'll see in real terms it has fallen. In the same period the cost of providing public services per person has risen at a higher rate. The country has to curtail borrowing when we pay £40bn a year interest alone on national debt before paying any of it off. It doesn't take a genius to work out that giving people credit, selling off nationalised industries and quantitative easing are only short term answers.

Offline datwabbit

I've been approached by a "reporter" looking for an interview along these lines.

They seemed rather shocked when I told them that my reason for becoming a sex worker didn't fit their narrative.

So while I don't doubt there are women and men engaging in survival sex (which is awful in this day and age) it's also possible that the story is being circulated to suit an agenda.

I think the fact that the person contacting me for an interview went out of their way to state there would be no payment shows they either do not believe that people are struggling, or just don't care

Xx

If you're not selling yourself for an addiction or to avoid fuel poverty, then you must be one of those classy girls who enjoys a life of luxury from the wallets of rich men.

You're either Band of Gold or Mona Lisa. Anything else is uncomfortable reading.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2018, 08:47:47 pm by datwabbit »

Offline nessie23

This is her looks as though she’s starving,lay off the fast food takeaways and feed your kids with the tax payers money,

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Offline puntlover1

I know girls who have gone on Seeking Arrangement because they need the money to 'survive'. In one case, the girl was living in a women's shelter and was desperate to get out, but could not get a job as that would have meant losing the right to live in the shelter. She was basically stuck there until she could get together enough money to find a place to live, which was never going to happen whilst she was on benefits. It was a ridiculous situation to be in, really.

TizerTerry

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I know girls who have gone on Seeking Arrangement because they need the money to 'survive'.

I couldn't meet them. I would feel I was exploiting somebody's desperation.


Offline NigelF

I couldn't meet them. I would feel I was exploiting somebody's desperation.

One could argue that contradicts this recent post of yours:
I'm not looking for the type of connection where I am the slightest bit interested in empathetic emotions rather the function in itself. Easier that way ...

Anyway, all escorts are desperate for cash (same with anyone who works for a living) it's just that some are more desperate than others. I personally don't see any point in trying to figure out some arbitrary line I wouldn't cross based on a girl's desperation or situation. Besides, no girl has to do it (except those coerced), they choose to do it (even though they'd rather not, they'd rather have the money even more, as with virtually all WGs). Also, by not seeing them you're certainly not helping them. I also presume you don't consider yourself to be a difficult, nasty or unclean punter so there's no reason why having sex with you would be any worse than any other punter, indeed it would hopefully be amongst the best/easiest experiences for her.

I'd also not take anything they say too seriously, some girls just try to take advantage of soft punters by creating a sop story. I'd first need to see it to believe it (and even then they could still be lying) and by the time I've seen it, I'd already be there with full balls and the cash burning a hole in my wallet, so unless there's signs of coercion/pimping, I doubt I'd walk.

I know girls who have gone on Seeking Arrangement because they need the money to 'survive'. In one case, the girl was living in a women's shelter and was desperate to get out, but could not get a job as that would have meant losing the right to live in the shelter. She was basically stuck there until she could get together enough money to find a place to live, which was never going to happen whilst she was on benefits. It was a ridiculous situation to be in, really.

Yeah, that is ridiculous. However I'm surprised the benefits, especially housing benefit, as well as other support from the council and things like crisis loans from the DWP  etc. wouldn't allow her to get set up somewhere else (renting of course).

Anyway, getting back to the OP, cases like those are clearly very rare. In my neck of the woods I've not noticed any particular increase in the number of escorts (both incall and outcall), certainly not British ones.

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One could argue that contradicts this recent post of yours:

Hi Nigel. Yes, maybe although I think it's the 'not knowing' I'd be more comfortable with. Ignorance is bliss. If I knew I would probably care. Maybe Punting in itself is a contradiction of sorts but it annoys me when the prostitute and punter are tainted purely by definition. Society is scared of us.

Offline Rumpelstiltskin

Maybe when this new universal credit gets rolled out in Hertfordshire and the surrounding areas we’ll suddenly see a flurry of new British escorts on AW, that’s what I’m now hoping for  :D

Offline wristjob

Haven't you heard, austerity is over. If you say it often enough, you might actually believe it.

Go stand outside an apple store and talk about austerity. People aren't so broke they can't pay £1000 on a phone.

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I always find it interesting when people say they are broke but still continue to smoke, drink and most times have a dog in the house and have better social lives than most working people.

Offline misterali

I always find it interesting when people say they are broke but still continue to smoke, drink and most times have a dog in the house and have better social lives than most working people.

Or talk about austerity on a punting forum :rolleyes:


Offline S.X. MacHine

The mere fact the article appears in the 'Guardian' validates Lizzie Lockhart's assertion that there is an 'agenda', in her words. The left has its knife out for Universal Credit, so any story which can be crafted to show it in a poor light, is worth narrating from its perspective.
If society were to accept that sex work is exactly that, work, then there would be no story. The vast majority of people in society, me included, work at our jobs to avoid going hungry. We do it, not because it is a calling or vocation, but because we need the money. Is this desperation, or merely the acceptance of reality?
As an aside, I recall my first ever WG, an amazing brunette in Glasgow, who was good at what she did and ran a big BMW, telling me she still claimed social benefits. Doubtless the 'Guardian' could have crafted an article showing her as a pathetic victim of a cruel system.

Offline smartieshouse

As I've been told many times by Escorts and Parlour Girls, working is far better pay than working at a Checkout!

Lots of WGs are blessed with stunning looks and bodies which gives them the "instant cash" option.

Offline Horizontal pleasures

Are either women on AW?

 I already did a search for Birkenhead and did not find anything likely. Other ideas?

Offline Simmo87

Guardian, left wing  :manhater: drival with storys spun to meet their agenda.

Offline Simmo87

I've been approached by a "reporter" looking for an interview along these lines.

They seemed rather shocked when I told them that my reason for becoming a sex worker didn't fit their narrative.

So while I don't doubt there are women and men engaging in survival sex (which is awful in this day and age) it's also possible that the story is being circulated to suit an agenda.

I think the fact that the person contacting me for an interview went out of their way to state there would be no payment shows they either do not believe that people are struggling, or just don't care


Xx

or like most jurno's their just full of shite!

Offline george r

half the women selling themselves are on benefits as well  ..

Offline JamesKW

Christ it says the mother is 42, she looks about 25 years older than that...


I am sure that's her AW Prossie age.

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Do you fancy the mother or the daughter?

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That’s a tough one. I thought long and hard about it and came to my conclusion after 0.00000000000001 sec. Has the daughter got an AW page? :lol:

Offline Jonestown

half the women selling themselves are on benefits as well  ..

Oh, just like Uber drivers then ?

Offline Woodyb

I’ve seen them both before the mums was years ago, her specialty was a bj (she has no teeth) she was in her early thirties at the time, the daughter was a run of the mill bj and basic shag. Sorry to admit but the gum gob was better !

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while universal credit has caused a lot of very real serious financial problems for people
 
but still most prostitutes are on the game because they want to be ,not because they "have" to be to survive

while there is a 'dark side' to the industry there are those that want to exaggerate this out of all proportion 
and demonise the sex industry every chance they can or use it for quick lazy sensualist "journalism"  :thumbsdown:

Offline bhudda

I’ve seen them both before the mums was years ago, her specialty was a bj (she has no teeth) she was in her early thirties at the time, the daughter was a run of the mill bj and basic shag. Sorry to admit but the gum gob was better !

if you saw the mum years ago then presumably it can't have been universal credit that drove her to sex work, cos it didn't exist years ago

Offline Horizontal pleasures

I’ve seen them both before the mums was years ago, her specialty was a bj (she has no teeth) she was in her early thirties at the time, the daughter was a run of the mill bj and basic shag. Sorry to admit but the gum gob was better !
so the daughter WAS also working, what were their 'stage names'?