Barebacking

[Fuggedaboutit]

And I *do* accept the argument that barebacking random girls from the pub or Tinder is worse.  The fact that there are dafter things to do, does not mean it is a good idea to fuck escorts without a condom.

In the last 3 years, I’ve had 6 civvie sexual partners (one for 9 months), either met via tinder or other dating apps, but there’s mostly  been a deal of time getting to know each other before leaping into bed (one exception).

 I’m not in anyway trying to excuse the behaviour, but these are mature women and it seriously has never cropped up in conversations. Moreover, it’s not like we arrange that shagging will commence on e.g. 3rd date; it’s usually spontaneous/heat of the moment when it occurs, so there’s a deal of being blinded by passion/the moment, I guess.

Yes, I’m as responsible as they are, but given these women are not likely to be having the sheer volume of sexual encounters as SPs, I’m guessing both my brain and theirs (rightly or wrongly) just accepts (or does not acknowledge the existence of) risk. Irrespective of how much testing SPs who offer bareback may get, the numbers of guys they see in the course of a month is going heighten risk

[Slow grinder]

No comment... Moderator.

[daviemac]

No comment... Moderator.

You've lost me with that. You are the one who doesn't seem to understand that unprotected vaginal sex carries a different risk to rimming. Whilst the the risk of the actual STIs may be the same, the risk of contacting them through penetrative or oral sex varies enormously. 

[Slow grinder]

You've lost me with that. You are the one who doesn't seem to understand that unprotected vaginal sex carries a different risk to rimming. Whilst the the risk of the actual STIs may be the same, the risk of contacting them through penetrative or oral sex varies enormously.

again .. no comment, I 'm not going to risk debating with a Moderator!

[daviemac]

again .. no comment

But you are commenting.      If you don't want to explain what you mean then don't actually comment, for the hard of thinking that means NOT typing any kind of reply and pressing 'post'.

You are making yourself look dafter than I think you are.

[mradventures]

i have wondered if some bb sp's take prep or whatever that hiv/aids surpression drug is.

but ive had a few things in the past and dont want that again, so i wear a rubber. i also dont really feel a difference or not much of one.

plenty of women dont like condoms too :/

[cunnyhunt]

Thanks for this 

Did this survey take place in since you joined UKP?  Any of the SPs still working and have yet to be noted in your region with a suitable warning?

I was the 6th person to join UKP 10+ years ago, I did post about it at the time in the East board.

[LLPunting]

I was the 6th person to join UKP 10+ years ago, I did post about it at the time in the East board.

A founding fucker!   
Much obliged for setting this all off.   

[Nagilum]

I have dated active SPs and not caught anything from them, I have "dated" civvies and caught things from them, SPs being no more than 10% of my dating history.

Funny story. I once started dating a girl from work. She would say certain terms like like WG, punters or call my late night visits to hers like a punt, at first I dismissed it as she may have coincidentally heard these terms. Then she told me about a ex prostitute friend she knew who was married. At this point I started thinking she was on to my antics in a subtle way. Always telling me she'd make a crap prostitute.

Fast forward, I discovered she was an ex WG! So yes, I have inadvertently dated one too without knowing. Didn't catch anything but I did run to the nearest GUM clinic for testing.

Of all the girls hey, it's like the hobby follows me.

[LLPunting]

Funny story. I once started dating a girl from work. She would say certain terms like like WG, punters or call my late night visits to hers like a punt, at first I dismissed it as she may have coincidentally heard these terms. Then she told me about a ex prostitute friend she knew who was married. At this point I started thinking she was on to my antics in a subtle way. Always telling me she'd make a crap prostitute.

Fast forward, I discovered she was an ex WG! So yes, I have inadvertently dated one too without knowing. Didn't catch anything but I did run to the nearest GUM clinic for testing.

Of all the girls hey, it's like the hobby follows me.

Thank God she didn't turn out to be a social scientist, an activist, a cop or a politician!  Social worker or healthcare pro, we love them. 

[nurfe7]

Before I decide to see someone new a couple of weeks beforehand I will use my second phone to ask them if they will do bb for double their rate. I was very surprised at how many service providers will offer it for more money. Needless to say I then cross them off my list.

[Jimmy83]

I do the same thing as Nerfe. If it's someone I haven't been with before, I use an app called "Textme" which creates a fake number and ask if they'll do BB for £500.

In regards to civvies, have none of you ever been in a relationship with one? I've always worn a condom for the first few times and then, once I get to know her, we do BB.

There are very few girls that will agree to no condom on the first date.

[BJrimmer]

Will quite happily do OWO, but never bareback with an SP. Never looked at the statistical risks involved from OWO.

Additionally, I'll quite happily bareback without a care in the world with civvies met on dating apps - as in condoms have never been brought up in any conversation with ones I've met. Fuck knows why. Maybe we're of a generation that views "protection" as primarily against pregnancy, so that's not an issue for the 47-55 age range I tend to meet. 

That’s pretty much my stance on the subject. OWO if you find a SP who gives great head is my favourite part of punting.

[SamOmar]

I have been offered bareback by a few SPs on paid punts over the years and have always declined as someone who generally has a low immune system. However there was one Thai SP many years back who didn't use the rubber on all 4 occasions. Then I was a young stupid idiot and I quickly learnt I did not enjoy my penis getting swabbed after partaking in a few minutes of fun.

[SamOmar]

That’s pretty much my stance on the subject. OWO if you find a SP who gives great head is my favourite part of punting.

Yes 90% of my punts I go just because I fancy a decent blowjob on the day

[petermisc]

That’s pretty much my stance on the subject. OWO if you find a SP who gives great head is my favourite part of punting.

Totally agree.  But I don't want OWO from a SP who is barebacking other clients.  Nothing is ever risk free, but in my view too much risk she has caught some thing by barebacking.

[cideruk]

I tried to join one of the auto-censoreds to check to see if a lass was on there but never got the verification email from them so couldn't.

[pegman8]

Most w.g's get tested every month. The next person they go with after a test might pass on something to them. They then could pass on to every punter before the next check.
This could run into dozens being given a dose.
I steer clear of any s.p who advertises bareback, and if I am then offered it by a girl who does not advertise as such, I just settle for a handjob.
Just my way, I respect others opinions.

[LLPunting]

Most w.g's get tested every month. The next person they go with after a test might pass on something to them. They then could pass on to every punter before the next check.
This could run into dozens being given a dose.
I steer clear of any s.p who advertises bareback, and if I am then offered it by a girl who does not advertise as such, I just settle for a handjob.
Just my way, I respect others opinions.

Read up on STIs, you are apparently clueless about infection.

[petermisc]

Read up on STIs, you are apparently clueless about infection.

Agreed that you are unlikely to catch something straight after an infected punter, it would need to get to the infectious stage. While he may have over-sensationalised it a bit, the broad gist of his thinking doesn't seem that wide of the mark to me.

Where I do have my doubts is the assumption that most WGs get tested monthly.  Most high-end WGs I suspect do.  Whether those who are in the country illegally or working the conveyor belt operations do, I have my doubts.  And the majority of those offering BB seem to be in the later category.  If someone cares so little for their health (or is so desperate for the cash) that they are prepared to offer BB, how likely is it that they are taking time out to get tested?  Remembering that from the WG''s perspective, being tested doesn't reduce the chances of you catching something like Aids, it just gives you the bad news once you have caught it.

[LLPunting]

Agreed that you are unlikely to catch something straight after an infected punter, it would need to get to the infectious stage. While he may have over-sensationalised it a bit, the broad gist of his thinking doesn't seem that wide of the mark to me.

Where I do have my doubts is the assumption that most WGs get tested monthly.  Most high-end WGs I suspect do.  Whether those who are in the country illegally or working the conveyor belt operations do, I have my doubts.  And the majority of those offering BB seem to be in the later category.  If someone cares so little for their health (or is so desperate for the cash) that they are prepared to offer BB, how likely is it that they are taking time out to get tested?  Remembering that from the WG''s perspective, being tested doesn't reduce the chances of you catching something like Aids, it just gives you the bad news once you have caught it.

Check the STI timelines, once monthly check-ups barring check-ups because of symptoms would be fairly comprehensive.

Granted the type of SP could make you doubt their commitment to precautionary (or any) testing but that's why the "strong" advice here is don't do it, avoid BB SPs regardless and any who offer it off book.

[hamchang]

The simple answer is to presume they all bareback and look after yourself. 

I think this is exactly right. The reasons why people bareback, both male and female, are numerous. Anyone who says bareback doesn't feel immensely better is a liar so then it is all about risk verses reward. The reward being fantastic feeling sex, the risk being death. I sense most people find a line in the middle involving OWO and kissing.

Having seen the result of scabies from a girl I knew who literally caught them in a hotel bed, sued and was paid out for it, I always have a dread of that. Imagine taking those a bastards back to your homestead and then explaining to one and all why everything is being burned.

I've seen WGs who offer it, but mainly due to being a in remote location and you fuck who you can when you can. I didn't BB them though. I have BBed a couple of times when it's just happened, and as mentioned, with WGs who do not have it on their profile. Not for a long while though.

I admire the boards sensible rules though, freedom to talk about it also demands freedom to show distain and give people flack for it. Why people actually care who is doing what is beyond me. As long as it is consensual it's no one business . It's down to each of us to make a personal decision on it and act accordingly, which for the most part is assume all WGs are or have BBed someone.

[Rochelle]

Most w.g's get tested every month. The next person they go with after a test might pass on something to them. They then could pass on to every punter before the next check.
This could run into dozens being given a dose.
I steer clear of any s.p who advertises bareback, and if I am then offered it by a girl who does not advertise as such, I just settle for a handjob.
Just my way, I respect others opinions.

Do they? How do you know that?

[pegman8]

My post, if read correctly, mentions the words "might" and "should." I am fully aware that infection is not definite or I would have worded it differently.

Also note that I respect others opinions, without necessarily agreeing with them. It wouldn't do if we all thought the same.

[Jimmy83]

A stupid question but why do SPs offer BB?

Most punters specifically AVOID BBers. They're actually LOSING out on money.

Yeah, sure, there are some (stupid) punters that go without a shield but the number of armoured soldiers outweighs the number of unarmoured.

[yandex]

A stupid question but why do SPs offer BB?

Most punters specifically AVOID BBers. They're actually LOSING out on money.

Yeah, sure, there are some (stupid) punters that go without a shield but the number of armoured soldiers outweighs the number of unarmoured.

How can you possibly know that? This is a site with a very vocal minority where BB disapproval is concerned but don't let that fool you into thinking it's the norm. No-one can know without a cast iron honest survey of who does what to who - and you ain't getting that anytime soon.

[Steely Dan]

Why people actually care who is doing what is beyond me. As long as it is consensual it's no one business .

I would think this pandemic gives insight into why this is only partially true.  Number one, many people don't want others to get any infection.  We really are not evil as a species. Number two selfish people (who don't give a shit about anyone but themselves) know that if something is rife in the community, there is more chance that it could end up infecting them.  Much better as a punter if 99% of escorts are STI free.  Then even if a condom breaks or whatever, the punter gets away with it.  Not good for any punter if STI are out of control.

Like it or not, we are all in the same herd.

[Jimmy83]

How can you possibly know that? This is a site with a very vocal minority where BB disapproval is concerned but don't let that fool you into thinking it's the norm. No-one can know without a cast iron honest survey of who does what to who - and you ain't getting that anytime soon.

Most SPs on AW don't have BB listed in their likes list. They also explicitly state in their Q&A section that they don't do BB. Others will say that if you've been with someone who does BB in your feedback list then they won't see you.

Plus, looking at it from a purely selfish point, it still doesn't make sense. The risk of getting infected isn't worth it because:

1. If she has something visible and the punter sees, he's gonna be a bit disgusted and put off and not return.

2. If she has something that's not visible, the punter will realise after a few days/weeks who he got it from and he won't return.

3. If she doesn't have something, she might catch something from a punter, leading to 1 or 2.q

Even if a punter doesn't actually care about the disease, their wife certainly will when they see it.

So a BBers customers are literally limited to single guys who don't care about diseases.

Plus, I don't think (Banned site removed) is as active as UKP? I think both sites provide a good comparison of the amount of BB and non-BB punters.

[Rochelle]

Most SPs on AW don't have BB listed in their likes list. They also explicitly state in their Q&A section that they don't do BB. Others will say that if you've been with someone who does BB in your feedback list then they won't see you.

Plus, looking at it from a purely selfish point, it still doesn't make sense. The risk of getting infected isn't worth it because:

1. If she has something visible and the punter sees, he's gonna be a bit disgusted and put off and not return.

2. If she has something that's not visible, the punter will realise after a few days/weeks who he got it from and he won't return.

3. If she doesn't have something, she might catch something from a punter, leading to 1 or 2.q

Even if a punter doesn't actually care about the disease, their wife certainly will when they see it.

So a BBers customers are literally limited to single guys who don't care about diseases.

Plus, I don't think (Banned site removed) is as active as UKP? I think both sites provide a good comparison of the amount of BB and non-BB punters.

Just because it's not on the profile, or just because they say so on the profile, doesn't mean they absolutely won't. Probably lots of secret ones about.
It doesn't make sense to you, but people do risk it.

Regarding your points:
1. I highly doubt that most escorts would risk working with icky symptoms on display.
2. Finding something weird a few days or weeks after a shag doesn't mean she's the one you got it from. Symptoms, if you do get any, can take bloody ages to show up.

I do agree that they're in the minority, and that most punters and escorts will use protection. That's my belief.
However, that minority may not be as small as you think.

[Jonestown]

I do agree that they're in the minority, and that most punters and escorts will use protection. That's my belief.
However, that minority may not be as small as you think.

Put two sexually active people in a room, take their clothes off and close the door and you just never know what the outcome will be.

[yandex]

Most SPs on AW don't have BB listed in their likes list. They also explicitly state in their Q&A section that they don't do BB. Others will say that if you've been with someone who does BB in your feedback list then they won't see you.

Plus, looking at it from a purely selfish point, it still doesn't make sense. The risk of getting infected isn't worth it because:

1. If she has something visible and the punter sees, he's gonna be a bit disgusted and put off and not return.

2. If she has something that's not visible, the punter will realise after a few days/weeks who he got it from and he won't return.

3. If she doesn't have something, she might catch something from a punter, leading to 1 or 2.q

Even if a punter doesn't actually care about the disease, their wife certainly will when they see it.

So a BBers customers are literally limited to single guys who don't care about diseases.

Plus, I don't think (Banned site removed) is as active as UKP? I think both sites provide a good comparison of the amount of BB and non-BB punters.

It's a logical but very naïve view in my opinion. I'm pretty sure most punters on here would tell the wife, if questioned, that they don't punt - but it wouldn't be true, would it? 

Anyway - 1) a lot of sti's may be completely symptomless, 2) that depend on how long he waits between sexual activity, 3) money is a powerful persuader.

[shagmore]

I did it when a condom burst and came off, pulled out and it wasn't there. That was a bit of a shock, for me and the WG.
Who doesn't love fucking without a condom, but I also prefer being safe, want to mitigate risk as much as possible so when i do a search on AW will always tick the dislike BB and unprotected sex boxes so as to try to avoid as many of these as possible.

[isaac_gauss]

The amount of open bareback adverting tells us little. Not adverting might be the smarter strategy for escorts who engage in BB, so they can serve both the BB and non-BB markets. No need to be open about it when BB punters come and ask you, which we know must happen often enough to, through annoyance, provoke the many explicit BB denials we read in AW profile texts.

As if that'll stop those inquiries anyway. I bet secret barebackers write those too.

[CoolTiger]

Q. Do you offer bareback?? I have a certificate.    

A. Yes for ten million billion pounds!!!! Are you mad I can't believe how often people ask me this question!!!! I won't even see you for protected services if I am aware this is something you indulge in with girls and as for this 'certificate' nonsense, guys we aren't in this business because we're stupid. Far from it!!

Yet is a secret barebacker.

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

[Rochelle]

Q. Do you offer bareback?? I have a certificate.    

A. Yes for ten million billion pounds!!!! Are you mad I can't believe how often people ask me this question!!!! I won't even see you for protected services if I am aware this is something you indulge in with girls and as for this 'certificate' nonsense, guys we aren't in this business because we're stupid. Far from it!!

Yet is a secret barebacker.

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

Is she? The reviewer who mentioned this has been banned as a fantasist. Having bareback videos doesn't mean she's offering it to punters. My guess is that it's her partner, and she's assuming she'll make quite a bit from selling those videos. Lots of men like to watch bareback porn.

[bbwandy72]

She has one of the best FAQs I've seen in a while:

What makes you really wet? Water.

[Jimmy83]

I swear I've seen that exact Q&A on another SPs profile...

[CoolTiger]

Is she? The reviewer who mentioned this has been banned as a fantasist. Having bareback videos doesn't mean she's offering it to punters. My guess is that it's her partner, and she's assuming she'll make quite a bit from selling those videos. Lots of men like to watch bareback porn.

Google her AW profile. She's been mentioned being bb'ed numerous times on a site dedicated to BB, which we are not allowed to mention on here.

[Rochelle]

Google her AW profile. She's been mentioned being bb'ed numerous times on a site dedicated to BB, which we are not allowed to mention on here.

Ah, got ya. I've never been on that site. Maybe I should check it out. May find out some interesting stuff.