Barebacking

[Stevelondon]

I realise we have have the bareback avoidance thread. But the reason these WG’s offer it is because there is so obviously a demand.

So is anyone on here a barebacker and willing to admit it. ?

[David1970]

I realise we have have the bareback avoidance thread. But the reason these WG’s offer it is because there is so obviously a demand.

So is anyone on here a barebacker and willing to admit it. ?

Why don’t you do some reviews and we can find out about you?

[Stevelondon]

I’ve already answered you on this one David.
In the “Where you stand on RO” thread.

If the management would allow me to post reviews on punts that fall outside the time band criteria. I will.

Until then I can only enjoy the resource that is UKP and hopefully contribute.

I look forward to when you next ask me to write a review. Hopefully I will be able too.

But if you wish to know something about me regarding the OP.
I do not bareback, neither do I look for SP’s who offer it.

[cideruk]

Mixture of demand from some and they may prefer it.

Years ago I was seeing a WG regularly then one time I noticed no condoms were out when I arrived.  She had come off AW quite a bit before and she said she wasn't seeing any other regulars or had a chap so I did the deed without.  Yes I know she could have been lying, but I detest rubbers so was probably quite pleased.
I didn't catch anything, lucky maybe, or she could have been telling me the truth - I'll never know.

[stevedave]

If there are any closet barebackers on here, I can't imagine they will out themselves on this thread 

The only regular bareback punter I can think of is HP, he very much seems to have a "zero fucks given" attitude.

[daviemac]

I realise we have have the bareback avoidance thread. But the reason these WG’s offer it is because there is so obviously a demand.

So is anyone on here a barebacker and willing to admit it. ?

Why, are you looking for some tips.   

[Fuggedaboutit]

Will quite happily do OWO, but never bareback with an SP. Never looked at the statistical risks involved from OWO.

Additionally, I'll quite happily bareback without a care in the world with civvies met on dating apps - as in condoms have never been brought up in any conversation with ones I've met. Fuck knows why. Maybe we're of a generation that views "protection" as primarily against pregnancy, so that's not an issue for the 47-55 age range I tend to meet. 

[RLondon99]

Last time I barebacked a girl I had her in all holes, didn't even think twice.

That was 1983.

[Stevelondon]

Why, are you looking for some tips.   

No.... no tips daviemac.
Like everyone else I have my own criteria regarding punting.
We are all at risk of something or another and we choose accordingly.
I tripped on the escalators coming out of Bow tube station on my way to a punt. Needed stitches over my eye.
Puntings a dangerous business 

[RLondon99]

I tripped on the escalators coming out of Bow tube station on my way to a punt. Needed stitches over my eye.
 

Did you get that fixed before or after?

[cideruk]

Additionally, I'll quite happily bareback without a care in the world with civvies met on dating apps - as in condoms have never been brought up in any conversation with ones I've met. Fuck knows why. Maybe we're of a generation that views "protection" as primarily against pregnancy, so that's not an issue for the 47-55 age range I tend to meet. 

Could be argued that is riskier as at least some WG will get tested regularly

[CoolTiger]

I realise we have have the bareback avoidance thread. But the reason these WG’s offer it is because there is so obviously a demand.

So is anyone on here a barebacker and willing to admit it. ?

Reminder of the Site Rules

12 Bareback / Unprotected sex
Allowed, but other members have the right to express disapproval of such activities.

25 Allegations of sexually transmitted diseases
Past incidents have shown such extreme and damaging allegations to be malicious and from troublemakers. Therefore, it is generally not acceptable to make such allegations against others.

[daviemac]

No.... no tips daviemac.
Like everyone else I have my own criteria regarding punting.
We are all at risk of something or another and we choose accordingly.
I tripped on the escalators coming out of Bow tube station on my way to a punt. Needed stitches over my eye.
Puntings a dangerous business 

There's other sites dedicated to BB where you can discuss it 'till you hearts content. Here it's within the rules for members to express their disapproval.

[Fuggedaboutit]

Could be argued that is riskier as at least some WG will get tested regularly

Oh, indeed. No idea why self and civvies do it. It's just never been discussed.

[Colston36]

Will quite happily do OWO, but never bareback with an SP. Never looked at the statistical risks involved from OWO.

Additionally, I'll quite happily bareback without a care in the world with civvies met on dating apps - as in condoms have never been brought up in any conversation with ones I've met. Fuck knows why. Maybe we're of a generation that views "protection" as primarily against pregnancy, so that's not an issue for the 47-55 age range I tend to meet. 

I find that utterly irrational. A WG puts her business at hazard if she passes on. A "civvie" may never see you again. I have bare-backed with two WGs, repeatedly. over the last three years, and one who's now retired. I trust them. But then that's my judgement of their word. However I'd wager it's safer than the same thing with someone I never met before and may never again.

[Steely Dan]

I find that utterly irrational. A WG puts her business at hazard if she passes on. A "civvie" may never see you again. I have bare-backed with two WGs, repeatedly. over the last three years, and one who's now retired. I trust them. But then that's my judgement of their word. However I'd wager it's safer than the same thing with someone I never met before and may never again.

You are an idiot my son.  Do you trust them to not bareback anyone else? Because if they bareback ANYONE else then it is not a question of trust.  You KNOW they might have got HIV in the last few weeks and not know it yet, and you KNOW that there is a higher chance that they pass it on. To you.

You are right that they don't want to give it to you and lose business, but when one plays Russian roulette, sometimes one gets shot in the head.

Beyond your reviews, have you fucked any other escorts? Want to know who to avoid.

[tynetunnel]

You are an idiot my son

Given Colston36’s stated age, he’s unlikely to be your son! 

[Doc Holliday]

Given Colston36’s stated age, he’s unlikely to be your son! 

 

[RLondon99]

Given Colston36’s stated age, he’s unlikely to be your son! 

Of course he's not the Dan's son, the Dan doesn't bareback.

On the other hand the Dan might be Colston's son.

[Colston36]

Of course he's not the Dan's son, the Dan doesn't bareback.

On the other hand the Dan might be Colston's son.

The idea of such a self-righteous buffoon being my father sent a frisson of horror through my aged frame. Thank God it's impossible. If he were my son, I'd have him neutered. The world has an ample sufficiency of sanctimonious know-alls.

[mexicola]

I realise we have have the bareback avoidance thread. But the reason these WG’s offer it is because there is so obviously a demand.

I reckon it's way more girls offer it that you think. I estimate in my areas its 25%. Based on likes list,  hints in profiles and discussions about WGs offering it discretely.

[myothernameis]

I realise we have have the bareback avoidance thread. But the reason these WG’s offer it is because there is so obviously a demand.

So is anyone on here a barebacker and willing to admit it. ?

Why post this thread, when there are already threads on this subject

If the management would allow me to post reviews on punts that fall outside the time band criteria. I will

I do not bareback, neither do I look for SP’s who offer it.

If you have had a punt with in the last 12 months, new members can post reviews

[Stevelondon]

Why post this thread, when there are already threads on this subject

If you have had a punt with in the last 12 months, new members can post reviews

As I have explained elsewhere. I have not punted in the last twelve months and so cannot write a review as yet.

[LLPunting]

Will quite happily do OWO, but never bareback with an SP. Never looked at the statistical risks involved from OWO.

Additionally, I'll quite happily bareback without a care in the world with civvies met on dating apps - as in condoms have never been brought up in any conversation with ones I've met. Fuck knows why. Maybe we're of a generation that views "protection" as primarily against pregnancy, so that's not an issue for the 47-55 age range I tend to meet. 

Health reporting over recent years has noted a marked increase in the number of STIs reported by the older age groups spanning the one you mention. 

[CoolTiger]

As I have explained elsewhere. I have not punted in the last twelve months and so cannot write a review as yet.

In which case, you can still submit old "reviews".

Simply start a new post in the discussion thead, in the correct region and make one detailed post, for all the SP's whom you saw over 1 year ago, and who are still working, in order that it can provide exisitng members with a guide as to whether to book those WGs or to avoid them. 

[LLPunting]

You are an idiot my son.  Do you trust them to not bareback anyone else? Because if they bareback ANYONE else then it is not a question of trust.  You KNOW they might have got HIV in the last few weeks and not know it yet, and you KNOW that there is a higher chance that they pass it on. To you.

You are right that they don't want to give it to you and lose business, but when one plays Russian roulette, sometimes one gets shot in the head.

Beyond your reviews, have you fucked any other escorts? Want to know who to avoid.

"Russian roulette" in the situation described is not just 1:6 regardless.  He mentioned 3 specific individuals (across time) whom he had developed a trust for, a "relationship" that would be more trustworthy than most anyone would consider to have with a "tinder" hook-up or an SB ONS.  So he took spins with 3 separate guns whom he had some confidence (however misplaced) in their sexual history.
Someone hitting multiple strangers for BB is spinning the chamber of all those different histories all unified by their casualness to BB with a stranger who almost certainly is less reliable in maintaining their sexual health.  STI rates are up, that's not because SPs are barebacking carelessly with the punter community, it's because civvies are putting it about alot more, the same kind of attitude as has drawn out the past year needlessly.  Those kinds of women are not a lot better than the cheap SPs openly BB banging punters 24/7.

SD, your pathological/categorical distrust of SPs regardless of who they might be as individuals is not the definition of reality.  As many very credible members have recounted over the accumulated centuries of interacting with women selling sex for whatever reasons "despite" who they are as people, there are many stories of genuine, trustworthy "friendships". 

[LLPunting]

In which case, you can still submit old "reviews".

Simply start a new post in the discussion thead, in the correct region and make one detailed post, for all the SP's whom you saw over 1 year ago, and who are still working, in order that it can provide exisitng members with a guide as to whether to book those WGs or to avoid them.

Yup, more than a few here like to regale of stories of yore.  OP, if you can speak credibly of past encounters with familiar SPs then that can be part of positive reputation building.  Asking punters to out themselves on a topic considered less than savoury on this site could be considered trolling.

[Pussi]

On SA all my meets are BB.

[Nagilum]

Put it this way, I have had regulars at one point offer this to me because they were on the verge of retiring (both retired now). However, like heck would I trust what they are telling me. No matter how tempting, you would ultimately go home paranoid that you may have caught something. If you live with a partner especially then you are reckless.

HP was mentioned on here and in past he has said that he takes that statistical chance given his age.

Single chaps, your health and your risk.

[CoolTiger]

On SA all my meets are BB.

Very brave of you to post that.

No doubt you will start getting PM requests for the SBs you've seen over the years, and ALSO deluge of posts on the open forum about all those girls whom you have seen and reviewed on here.

[LLPunting]

Put it this way, I have had regulars at one point offer this to me because they were on the verge of retiring (both retired now). However, like heck would I trust what they are telling me. No matter how tempting, you would ultimately go home paranoid that you may have caught something. If you live with a partner especially then you are reckless.

HP was mentioned on here and in past he has said that he takes that statistical chance given his age.

Single chaps, your health and your risk.

I have dated active SPs and not caught anything from them, I have "dated" civvies and caught things from them, SPs being no more than 10% of my dating history.

[myothernameis]

On SA all my meets are BB.

What about escorts, do you see escorts, and do you bareback with them

[Home Alone]

Put it this way, I have had regulars at one point offer this to me because they were on the verge of retiring (both retired now). However, like heck would I trust what they are telling me. No matter how tempting, you would ultimately go home paranoid that you may have caught something. If you live with a partner especially then you are reckless.

HP was mentioned on here and in past he has said that he takes that statistical chance given his age.

Single chaps, your health and your risk.

I posted in another thread - probably about a year ago - about one of my Regulars, who died of cancer just over three years ago now. She was retiring from The Industry for family reasons and offered me my last-ever punt with her as a BB session for "Auld Lang Syne".

I've always been a bit fluffy so I accepted the offer - it was the first time I'd had a BB experience since the last time the OH and I did the deed probably 12-13 years before and bade farewell to her, although we kept in contact until she died. On my train journey home, when the aura of fluffiness had cleared, I realised the enormity of what we'd done and I was on the phone to my nearest Clinic first thing the following morning.

Fortunately, I was clear; but the time between that train journey home and getting the confirmation from the clinic was one of the longest and worst times of my life.

[drillaaaa]

I haven't yet, but probably would with a regular if I ever get to having a regular (punt too infrequently and always fancy something new), purely because I just hate the use of rubbers. I would be happy to assume the risk as I would say with a random civvy from a night out or wherever and also since I do so with OWO anyway with escorts (yes i know the probabilities are greater), like it's been mentioned above and also elsewhere there's a misconception all escorts are riddled with sti's or not clean and civvy's are when anyone is just as likely. If your lucks out you'll catch whatever's coming to you civvy or not.

Will prob get ridiculed for this but it is what it is

[Steely Dan]

The idea of such a self-righteous buffoon being my father sent a frisson of horror through my aged frame. Thank God it's impossible. If he were my son, I'd have him neutered. The world has an ample sufficiency of sanctimonious know-alls.

Don't have me neutered, papa. You raised me to be a buffoon.

You may judge me as you wish. I just choose to state the science that bare backing is not about trust.  If one understands the biology, trust or no trust, it is real risk. An easily avoidable risk. 

And I *do* accept the argument that barebacking random girls from the pub or Tinder is worse.  The fact that there are dafter things to do, does not mean it is a good idea to fuck escorts without a condom.

[Stevelondon]

Yup, more than a few here like to regale of stories of yore.  OP, if you can speak credibly of past encounters with familiar SPs then that can be part of positive reputation building.  Asking punters to out themselves on a topic considered less than savoury on this site could be considered trolling.

You are absolutely right and I stand corrected.
I certainly do not wish to be thought of as a troll.

I shall go through my mental notebook at my last punts.

Thank you

[LLPunting]

Don't have me neutered, papa. You raised me to be a buffoon.

You may judge me as you wish. I just choose to state the science that bare backing is not about trust.  If one understands the biology, trust or no trust, it is real risk. An easily avoidable risk. 

And I *do* accept the argument that barebacking random girls from the pub or Tinder is worse.  The fact that there are dafter things to do, does not mean it is a good idea to fuck escorts without a condom.

You argue on absolutist terms (worthy of my worst rantings here) but fail to apply them absolutely consistently with your reasoning, Colston was speaking in context which you did not acknowledge.  By your terms no-one would bareback ever (unless they could guarantee the sexual health of the person they were barebacking).

Regardless of career, a woman is as trustworthy as she proves to be and being an SP does not necessitate complete untrustworthiness, it may require lying to compartmentalise her life but it doesn't mean she has to be an outright liar or health risk.  If you don't understand this nuance then you're on a hiding to Hell for trust in your life.

Barebacking is about trust, misplaced or otherwise.  Testing clear only proves you're free of current infection and of course only clear of what you test for at the moment the results materialise, within the confidence of the tests used.  The results can only further be trusted as evidence if you can be sure that neither party has engaged in any sexual risk between testing and the two of you bumping uglies.

[Slow grinder]

I would never advocate Bare Backing but what's the risk difference then between Barebacking (penetration with the penis) and performing Rimming and Oral sex (penetration with the tongue) on an WG.

[Rochelle]

Will quite happily do OWO, but never bareback with an SP. Never looked at the statistical risks involved from OWO.

Additionally, I'll quite happily bareback without a care in the world with civvies met on dating apps - as in condoms have never been brought up in any conversation with ones I've met. Fuck knows why. Maybe we're of a generation that views "protection" as primarily against pregnancy, so that's not an issue for the 47-55 age range I tend to meet. 

[LLPunting]

I would never advocate Bare Backing but what's the risk difference then between Barebacking (penetration with the penis) and performing Rimming and Oral sex (penetration with the tongue) on an WG.

Do a search on discussions about STIs here or better still refer to the sexual health websites run by NHS and health NGOs.

[daviemac]

I would never advocate Bare Backing but what's the risk difference then between Barebacking (penetration with the penis) and performing Rimming and Oral sex (penetration with the tongue) on an WG.

It never ceases to amaze me the number of people partaking in this hobby with no clue to the risks. Have a read of these, I'll throw the legal one in as well as I can't imagine you know much about that either.

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[Colston36]

Don't have me neutered, papa. You raised me to be a buffoon.

You may judge me as you wish. I just choose to state the science that bare backing is not about trust.  If one understands the biology, trust or no trust, it is real risk. An easily avoidable risk. 

And I *do* accept the argument that barebacking random girls from the pub or Tinder is worse.  The fact that there are dafter things to do, does not mean it is a good idea to fuck escorts without a condom.

True. Neither of us said there was no risk, nor advocated anything. Just said this is what I do, and why. I am almost entirely influenced by the fact that I have never been able to manage condoms. 

[Crackpot11]

I think most who have punted for a while will have faced this issue. I once visited an escort, an independent housewife working from home. She was amazingly hot, she had already got me ready and then when I asked about condoms she said ‘I don’t use them as all my clients are married’. Being an idiot i did the deed bare and you could tell it was for her enjoyment as she came intensly as I unloaded. I spent the next 2 weeks in fear, got tested and negative but wasn’t worth the risk. Been offered it twice by two others since but not tempted.

[Longshot]

Its far more prevalent then first appears.  Over the years ive met many wgs who will bareback despite what their profiles may say.

Lots of little hints to look for, are condoms on display on the bedside counter?  Does she take steps to move or avoid close contact between genitals?  Who suggests getting the condoms when youre ready for penetration?

Not definitive of a bareback provider but in my experience they are all good indicators.

I will freely admit about 5 years ago i saw a wg who had previously had bb listed on her profile, i knew it was a possibility and booked her with that intention.  We did it raw and it was fantastic.  For the next few months i actively sought bb until the inevitable happened and i caught a dose of clap.  The consequences turned my life upside down and i realised just what a ridiculously stupid thing to do it was.

That was probably 5 years ago.  I am far more choosy now  and activley avoid any suspicions of unprotected sex but i have still read reports on here where other punters have been offered bb from girls i thought were clean.

Its a dangerous game.  Trust no one and protect yourself.

[Slow grinder]

It never ceases to amaze me the number of people partaking in this hobby with no clue to the risks. Have a read of these, I'll throw the legal one in as well as I can't imagine you know much about that either.

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After Punting for over 40 yrs...of course I know the risks... maybe my 'posed' question should have been  worded differently ... I just find it very strange that people 'witch hunt' Bare Backers (and I've never done that for over 15 yrs) yet are openly on the look out for WG's who allow tongue's to be put up their backsides!

[cunnyhunt]

This subject has come up many times since UKP started, it's either a paranoid punter obsessing about avoiding any SP that offers it, or a punter trying to find out who does.
The simple answer is to presume they all bareback and look after yourself.  I've always been tested regularly as I punted as well as swinging and have never had a single issue even though I have had condoms break and had bareback partners.
Some years ago I posted here about a friend and I finding out how many escorts local to us we could get to agree to bareback in a phone booking, we picked 10 at random and called to book, of the 10, 7 agreed to provide it, and only 2 (iirc) asked for more money. All of those 7 were thought to be safe providers at the time with many reviewed positively.  Both of us were surprised as we thought the number would be much lower.

[Hobbit]

I think the bottom line is basically that most people bareback or would if they could without the risks. I've always said this should always be a topic that people discuss openly without any fear of judgement or condemnation. Sadly some punters including some service providers, condemn or judge people for barebacking rather than creating a space of openness and honesty.

[LLPunting]

... I just find it very strange that people 'witch hunt' Bare Backers (and I've never done that for over 15 yrs) yet are openly on the look out for WG's who allow tongue's to be put up their backsides!

If you've actually read about the different STIs and practices and the different risks associated then should know that all are NOT the same based on who's infected with what where and which gender is giving or receiving to which body part.

[LLPunting]

This subject has come up many times since UKP started, it's either a paranoid punter obsessing about avoiding any SP that offers it, or a punter trying to find out who does.
The simple answer is to presume they all bareback and look after yourself.  I've always been tested regularly as I punted as well as swinging and have never had a single issue even though I have had condoms break and had bareback partners.
Some years ago I posted here about a friend and I finding out how many escorts local to us we could get to agree to bareback in a phone booking, we picked 10 at random and called to book, of the 10, 7 agreed to provide it, and only 2 (iirc) asked for more money. All of those 7 were thought to be safe providers at the time with many reviewed positively.  Both of us were surprised as we thought the number would be much lower.

Thanks for this 

Did this survey take place in since you joined UKP?  Any of the SPs still working and have yet to be noted in your region with a suitable warning?

[daviemac]

After Punting for over 40 yrs...of course I know the risks... maybe my 'posed' question should have been  worded differently ... I just find it very strange that people 'witch hunt' Bare Backers (and I've never done that for over 15 yrs) yet are openly on the look out for WG's who allow tongue's to be put up their backsides!

I've given you the links, read about the differences in the way STIs are transmitted and the differences in the STIs themselves, then you will understand why some things are more acceptable risk wise than others.

If you can't grasp that then maybe avoid punting.