The scene has gone to shit!

[Jeffers77]

Except what you are trying to present as a "different opinion" is something you're actually offering as "alternative facts" but without providing a shred of evidence for them. It's clear your "opinion" is based on imagination and verbal repetition in the belief that if you repeat it enough times it becomes true.

Am I bollocks, read what I wrote multiple times.

And your accusations are just pathetic. Accept there is a difference of opinion, take the L on your all UK comment, and move on.

[scutty brown]

Am I bollocks, read the thread.

Yes I've read the thread. Would be a bit awkward for me to reply if I had not. And the answer to your question is: In general terms anyone who rhetorically asks if they are bollocks, usually are talking bollocks.

And your accusations are just pathetic. Accept there is a difference of opinion and move on.

Why should I or anyone else when faced with anyone spouting bollocks move on?

[scutty brown]

Am I bollocks, read what I wrote multiple times.

You changed the post as I was typing.........
But the point remains is you can write it as many times as you like, but multiple iterations does not make a truth.

[Jeffers77]

You changed the post as I was typing.........
But the point remains is you can write it as many times as you like, but multiple iterations does not make a truth.

Both of us are expressing an opinion, which happens to differ.

Maybe we can move on and discuss boobies instead?

[Hardluck]

My original post was much about the of quality as much as prices, but they do go hand in hand.

Girls charging £300 now would probably have been in the £200 range a few years back.
But even after adjusting for that, there isn’t the choice and abundance of quality that there used to be.

I agree with petermisc, prices were stagnant for most of the noughties and tens, so they were bound to go up, that’s the game, but if feel the quality has gone down far more sharply.

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I used to used this agency a lot, they went out of business 8 years ago, there website hasn’t been updated since then. A quick gander and comparison to today, shows the drop in quality.

I am sure you can find quality punts, but IMHO it’s much harder then it used to be.

OMG I spent so much money with this agency and Aprov back in the day. I can tell you some of those pictures are very flattering. speaking for myself I feel like the choice is just as good today as before. Prices feel the same but then I'm earning more now than I was then. I don't punt as much now though. I used to do it because I could, now I do it when I'm single. My hotlist is packed though.

[webpunter]

Both of us are expressing an opinion, which happens to differ.

Indeed it does however your opinion differs from everyone else, quelle surprise

As you posted "I have been falling back on a couple of old regulars and trying the odd girl that takes my fancy from WeChat contacts/rotation location contacts tbh" we are looking forward to a flurry of reviews
The excitement is building 

Maybe we can move on and discuss boobies instead?

We certainly can
You are a complete tit
A legend ..... in your own imagination

[Jeffers77]

Indeed it does however your opinion differs from everyone else, quelle surprise

As you posted "I have been falling back on a couple of old regulars and trying the odd girl that takes my fancy from WeChat contacts/rotation location contacts tbh" we are looking forward to a flurry of reviews
The excitement is building 

We certainly can
You are a complete tit
A legend ..... in your own imagination

"Everyone disagrees with me" except the thread was created by someone doing just that. 

Grow up.

[jamiekinkxxx]

This is so fucking boring now.

Grow up and stop trying to have the last fucking word!

 

[petermisc]

Read the damn thread, and I have repeatedly stated its fine to have a different opinion. Who even are you and why are you writing to me anyway. Run along.

If it's fine for others to have a different opinion, why do you keep needing to refute those who express one? 

And who are YOU to decide who is and isn't allowed to contribute to this thread?  Jog on, and stop derailing this thread with your pointless bickering.

[petermisc]

OMG I spent so much money with this agency and Aprov back in the day. I can tell you some of those pictures are very flattering. speaking for myself I feel like the choice is just as good today as before. Prices feel the same but then I'm earning more now than I was then. I don't punt as much now though. I used to do it because I could, now I do it when I'm single. My hotlist is packed though.

Actually the thing that struck me about that site was how few girls were on it, compared to most agency rosters these days.  Scrolling down to the end, is that it?  There are about 30 girls there, compared to the 378 on the current Diva roster.  Okay, ToC were a bit more selective.  Hot Collection might be a better comparison, but god knows how many they currently have, I gave up counting at 100.  The choice today is clearly way better.

Interesting to see the prices too back then.  Still quite a few fitties at £150 ph.  Was that really only 8 years ago?  It looks older to me.

[Jeffers77]

This is so fucking boring now.

Grow up and stop trying to have the last fucking word!

 

I agree, but I'm not letting people insult me for zero reason. I tried to leave it be, but not if I'm going to be insulted.

[scutty brown]

I agree, but I'm not letting people insult me for zero reason. I tried to leave it be, but not if I'm going to be insulted.

Telling you you're wrong and why you're wrong isn't insulting you.

[Jeffers77]

Telling you you're wrong and why you're wrong isn't insulting you.

Yeah mate absolutely no insulting of me throughout this thread, simply for having a differing opinion.

[Friendxxx]

Hello all
Here my rant . My experience  is that I noticed an increase in price vs a proportional decrease of quality of service. The golden age for me was when the agency supreme 96 was around. £150 - £200 for young natural and willing sex workers.

Nowadays, I tried 4 times  Brazilians and I decided not anymore, they are like the Romanians when it come to service they agree to the service at the beginning and later they don't fulfill. Also the tattoos, piercings, surgeries and lip fillers are discouraging to pay the prices.

I have had a good run, more than 10 years.

[golden bull]

Supreme 69 were done and in the news for trafficking back when so not all were willing.
Anyway, THe best days were early noughties, £150 ph for a hot chick even hot ruskies, two pops, full on dfk, owo and best of attitudes.
Agencies around then were diva (🤭), Scandalbabes ( barracuda later maybe), Bestescorts4U( they were great but don’t exist anymore, Babylon, LEG ( London escorts group, had one of the fittest girls ever for 150 notes and she was Ukrainian, 90 minutes ( think they’re still around) , cheap and chic and many others.

[Alexmck]

Supreme 69 were done and in the news for trafficking back when so not all were willing.
Anyway, THe best days were early noughties, £150 ph for a hot chick even hot ruskies, two pops, full on dfk, owo and best of attitudes.
Agencies around then were diva (🤭), Scandalbabes ( barracuda later maybe), Bestescorts4U( they were great but don’t exist anymore, Babylon, LEG ( London escorts group, had one of the fittest girls ever for 150 notes and she was Ukrainian, 90 minutes ( think they’re still around) , cheap and chic and many others.

Some names here and above that bring back great memories!

[Friendxxx]

Supreme 69 were done and in the news for trafficking back when so not all were willing.
Anyway, THe best days were early noughties, £150 ph for a hot chick even hot ruskies, two pops, full on dfk, owo and best of attitudes.
Agencies around then were diva (🤭), Scandalbabes ( barracuda later maybe), Bestescorts4U( they were great but don’t exist anymore, Babylon, LEG ( London escorts group, had one of the fittest girls ever for 150 notes and she was Ukrainian, 90 minutes ( think they’re still around) , cheap and chic and many others.

Unfortunately, she got greedy. Supreme 69 had the best girls. What I meant was they were willing to have sex with me. It didn't feel that they had to.

I remember 90 minutes agency. I got my first CIM (cum in mouth) with a Latvian girl without even asking. I will never forget, I think she reciprocated because I licked hers like 20 Mim. She did enjoy and she was a beautiful tall blonde all natural.

[Jonestown]

Supreme 69 were done and in the news for trafficking back when so not all were willing.
Anyway, THe best days were early noughties, £150 ph for a hot chick even hot ruskies, two pops, full on dfk, owo and best of attitudes.
Agencies around then were diva (🤭), Scandalbabes ( barracuda later maybe), Bestescorts4U( they were great but don’t exist anymore, Babylon, LEG ( London escorts group, had one of the fittest girls ever for 150 notes and she was Ukrainian, 90 minutes ( think they’re still around) , cheap and chic and many others.

When they all used real un-photoshopped  photos of the girls who all claimed to be from St Petersburg.

[webpunter]

Yeah mate absolutely no insulting of me throughout this thread, simply for having a differing opinion.

You are hardly in the position to refer to @SB as 'mate'
Trying to come across all matey you've failed 
I wonder if @SB regards you with a familiar term like 'mate' ? 

Your differing opinion is built upon a foundation of shite
With bollox like:  "I have been falling back on a couple of old regulars ......"
A fantasist a legend in your own imagination with piss poor diversion attempts

Every now & again a tosspot surfaces & you are ticking all the boxes
It seems to me that its effortless for you

Why dont you amaze us all & do a new review
Go back to your skills base = chinese
& dont even think of doing a shop review [without specifics] which could be easily made up
I'd try & include 69 being on the menu, crispy chilli beef
With a side order of 'cream of sum yung guy' & 'chew sum twat'
 

[scutty brown]

Yeah mate absolutely no insulting of me throughout this thread, simply for having a differing opinion.

An unrealistic "opinion" unsupported by reality and entirely unsupported by evidence.

[scutty brown]

You are hardly in the position to refer to @SB as 'mate'
Trying to come across all matey you've failed 
I wonder if @SB regards you with a familiar term like 'mate' ? 

Definitely no mating going on

[petermisc]

When they all used real un-photoshopped  photos of the girls who all claimed to be from St Petersburg.

All the agencies mentioned used photos taken by professional photographers, which were extensively touched up.  I had a couple of meets with a lass who was also a professional photographer, and she said she took longer over the editing of the photos than she did taking them.

I had assumed that the massive hooks and eyes in her ceiling were for something to do with BDSM, but turned out they were for holding up the back screen!

[Jeffers77]

You are hardly in the position to refer to @SB as 'mate'
Trying to come across all matey you've failed 
I wonder if @SB regards you with a familiar term like 'mate' ? 

Your differing opinion is built upon a foundation of shite
With bollox like:  "I have been falling back on a couple of old regulars ......"
A fantasist a legend in your own imagination with piss poor diversion attempts

Every now & again a tosspot surfaces & you are ticking all the boxes
It seems to me that its effortless for you

Why dont you amaze us all & do a new review
Go back to your skills base = chinese
& dont even think of doing a shop review [without specifics] which could be easily made up
I'd try & include 69 being on the menu, crispy chilli beef
With a side order of 'cream of sum yung guy' & 'chew sum twat'
 

Its called sarcasm.

I believe your post to me is called a projection (with a side salad of racism no less) no doubt someone with a brain like yours will need to Google this.

Have a wonderful day matey.

An unrealistic "opinion" unsupported by reality and entirely unsupported by evidence.

You are a forum helper and you act like this? Poor form.

[petermisc]

Supreme 69 were done and in the news for trafficking back when so not all were willing.
Anyway, THe best days were early noughties, £150 ph for a hot chick even hot ruskies, two pops, full on dfk, owo and best of attitudes.
Agencies around then were diva (🤭), Scandalbabes ( barracuda later maybe), Bestescorts4U( they were great but don’t exist anymore, Babylon, LEG ( London escorts group, had one of the fittest girls ever for 150 notes and she was Ukrainian, 90 minutes ( think they’re still around) , cheap and chic and many others.

And that £150 was all-in, none of the ridiculous extra charges that you get landed with now.

I remember cheap and chic had probably the most limited lineup of all the agencies, at times little more than half a dozen girls.  A lot of lasses only appeared on one site, which made it more difficult as if your first choice wasn't available, your second and third choices were likely with different agencies.

Back then the agencies were more discriminating over who they would have on their site.  Not uncommon for them to message you afterwards to check that it had all gone okay, and for girls to disappear almost as soon as they appeared, if the agency got complaints.  However, I recall that back then Babylon and Admiral had a poor reputation for taking just about any girl, including those who had obviously been thrown off other agencies.  I gave up using Babylon after a number of bad experiences that the agency couldn't care a toss about when I complained, and would only use Admiral as a last resort.

Nowadays I get the impression that all the agencies are interested in is getting as big a lineup as possible, and buyer beware.

[zxc]

Well, it is the law of supply and demand.

The trend started after Brexit and has become worse.

The fewer WGs in the business, the more power the remaining WGs have to raise prices even if they are not of the same quality as the previous competition, and agencies will also have to deal with this reality.

Nothing new under the sun.

[webpunter]

Its called sarcasm.

I believe your post to me is called a projection (with a side salad of racism no less) no doubt someone with a brain like yours will need to Google this.

Have a wonderful day matey.

WhereTF do you get 'racism no less' from ? you can FRO
[Pathetically] trying to play the race card coz you've finally realised that you have dug yourself into a hole

As you've posted:  "You seem to want to ignore the evidence of someone that has an understanding of the Chinese market"
I thought i'd give you a few reminders, sarcasm no less to the supposed UKP china expert 

There you go again chucking matey around 

[Jeffers77]

WhereTF do you get 'racism no less' from ? you can FRO
[Pathetically] trying to play the race card coz you've finally realised that you have dug yourself into a hole

As you've posted:  "You seem to want to ignore the evidence of someone that has an understanding of the Chinese market"
I thought i'd give you a few reminders, sarcasm no less to the supposed UKP china expert 

There you go again chucking matey around 

I'm a China "expert" am I now matey? Hilarious. Try to understand what you quoted, this is basic.

Howabout we accept there are differing opinions. Done.

[scutty brown]

Its called sarcasm.

I believe your post to me is called a projection (with a side salad of racism no less) no doubt someone with a brain like yours will need to Google this.

Where's the racism?

[scutty brown]

I'm a China "expert" am I now matey? Hilarious.....................

that seems to be at odds with what you say here

........You seem to want to ignore the evidence of someone that has an understanding of the Chinese market..........

[Jeffers77]

that seems to be at odds with what you say here

If you don't understand English, yes.

[Hardluck]

Where's the racism?

  He might be referring to this bit, "With a side order of 'cream of sum yung guy' & 'chew sum twat".
  If that's case then he is unlikely he has ever been on the receiving of a racist insult.

[webpunter]

  He might be referring to this bit, "With a side order of 'cream of sum yung guy' & 'chew sum twat".
  If that's case then he is unlikely he has ever been on the receiving of a racist insult.

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Understanding the chinese market [as he supposedly does] you would have thought he might get my snow drift 

[Jeffers77]

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Understanding the chinese market [as he supposedly does] you would have thought he might get my snow drift 

Still can't quite accept a differing opinion can you.

[kingmg]

Rant: After a long absence (7 years) from the game decided to dip my toe back in as I had a small window of opportunity to have some fun, oh how things have changed!
Let them have a dusty phone they will soon see sejse
AW: Trawling through the site and researching for hours/days/weeks, you realise the quality has gone down hill and the prices have gone crazy. Gone are the days where you could find a Polish hottie that’s been doing it for a few months, not jaded with a solid reputation/reviews for a reasonable fee.…………Now, it’s full off silicon implanted, Kardashian wannabes charging deluded prices. Then you have the Brazilian invasion, most look like TS. Anyone with a good reputation again seems to use it as leverage to charge crazy amounts. Then your left with the old hags that are stiil knocking around since I last was on the scene.
Hours of research on here and AW has been fruitless. Nothing really takes my fancy

Tried Reverse Booking (outcall), you always get the desperate “copy-paste” merchants but you used to get 1 or 2 nuggets where a girl not doing it full time,  pipes up looking at a easy hassle free outcall setup. Not anymore! Just, just more dregs! The more I increased the price the worse it got! Gave that up after trying 4 times.

Then tried Seeking, did a lot of research on here and tried different approaches, did get a few bites and one horrible “date”. I can see how this can be fun for guys who have the time and are still in the dating scene, but to get nice girls it’s all too much effort to woo and chat, then setup the date etc. Whole reason I got into this game was that it was more efficient than dating. I am sure if I put in the effort it could pay off, but don’t really have the time. Plus it’s full of scammers, fakers and weirdos, filtering those out is a job in it self.

Conclusion: with only days until my window of opportunity closes I haven’t scratched that itch but I am sort of glad I am out of the scene for now give how it is, hope things improve and we get some quality back in the game! Need the European ladies back to push up standards and keep prices reasonable.

let them have a dusty phone they will soon see sense

[FlaccidChimp]

It's clearly declined. There used to be an Chinese brothel near my old place around 5 years ago. The women switched often and their was a range in attractiveness. All these sessions were affordable though and I could walk if I didn't like. In a massage parlours they at least had a hot receptionist to flirt with and a nice looking Asian or few on certain days of the week. I don't remember Adultwork ever being great for Asians. Mostly Bait n Switch and profiles for brothel locations.

What has changed for me is that there always used to be some hotties on Adultwork for like £150-200. The past few years I've seen some at  200+ and they raise their prices then eventually leave the site. I've messaged attractive women on AW 200+ and they've told me they get booked up fast with regulars. Then months later the prices start increasing.

I have been seeing the same regular for the past 4 years on and off. It's not like I haven't seen other SP in that time. But I don't find that quality anymore and even when I did it left me out of pocket.

[southcoastpunter]

this discussion has been going on for ages now (with quite a few threads on here) about the prices or lack of quality etc - and it will probably go on for another god knows how many more years. Things ain't what they used to be - better or worse may depend on your viewpoint and attitude to things.

BUT - talking / moaning about it ain't going to change it. Just find a way to make it work for you and if you can't make it work for you, then give up and find another hobby!

let them have a dusty phone they will soon see sense

   
if only it worked like that!!! - but sadly it doesn't in many cases. Ladies have other choices  nowdays and some have a concept of "self-worth" - where they will do the job for £x amount but not for £x-1. So lack of business does not always lead to lower prices!

[jamiekinkxxx]

this discussion has been going on for ages now (with quite a few threads on here) about the prices or lack of quality etc - and it will probably go on for another god knows how many more years. Things ain't what they used to be - better or worse may depend on your viewpoint and attitude to things.

BUT - talking / moaning about it ain't going to change it. Just find a way to make it work for you and if you can't make it work for you, then give up and find another hobby!
   
if only it worked like that!!! - but sadly it doesn't in many cases. Ladies have other choices  nowdays and some have a concept of "self-worth" - where they will do the job for £x amount but not for £x-1. So lack of business does not always lead to lower prices!

This! 

[Bigjimmyjones]

Complaints about the scene.

Complaints about people complaining about the scene

Complaints about people complaining about people complaining about the scene.

Let people vent is what I say

[southcoastpunter]

Let people vent is what I say

what? about the same few things? time and time and time again? A hell of a good forum we would have, not! And nothing would have changed (about things those guys (and its often the same guys) had moaned about!!!

If you are unhappy with some about a WG, go elsewhere. If you are unhappy with the whole scene, stop and take up fishing, or stamp collecting or whatever

[BillGoldberg]

Don't understand how anyone can really argue at such length with the op about the current state of punting in London.

He's absolutely right, it has gone to shit.

Not just in terms of price, but variety and quality.

10-15 years ago the scene was far superior to what we have to choose from now, and 10 years before that, even better.

[tazz]

When one Sugar daddy meet had tried it a few years ago when it was a bit quiet due to covid. Have had lots of responses and a fit 19 year old lines up within a day of joining. Seems better than seeking which is a bit suprising.

[Flush]

The OP isn't wrong though, it's a shit show out there, due to a multitude of reasons. One reason could be attributed to Brexit, another is that some ladies don't have to do this line of business to make money and social media makes some of them accessible to the big boys with deep wallets.

Regardless of the situation, it's not helping anyone crying about it. Lets share the last few gems that exist  I seriously need to empty my balls soon

[petermisc]

It may not be as good as it was, but to say it is shit is making things sound much worse than they actually sre.  It is still easy to have a good time with an attractive girl at a reasonable price.