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Offline tazz

Has anyone ever asked a prossie that offers BB why they do this, or if they are aware of the risks? Im just woundering if their pimp is forcing them to do this or whether they think that if they do catch HIV or herpes they can get it treated and it will go away.

Offline punk

Has anyone ever asked a prossie that offers BB why they do this, or if they are aware of the risks? Im just woundering if their pimp is forcing them to do this or whether they think that if they do catch HIV or herpes they can get it treated and it will go away.

Money, that is what i have been told by one as far as i know non BB provider, she said they think of the extra 20 or 30 pounds, rather than their health, she worked in a place with 3 other girls one of  which was openly BB, and another did it under the counter for extra 40.


Offline PLeisure

Money, that is what i have been told by one as far as i know non BB provider, she said they think of the extra 20 or 30 pounds, rather than their health, she worked in a place with 3 other girls one of  which was openly BB, and another did it under the counter for extra 40.
Freakin' scary....... such small amounts of money to play Romanian roulette with

Quesadilla

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Has anyone ever asked a prossie that offers BB why they do this, or if they are aware of the risks? Im just woundering if their pimp is forcing them to do this or whether they think that if they do catch HIV or herpes they can get it treated and it will go away.

Most STI's all easily treatable if you are tested regularly and although some like Herpes are not curable for the majority any symptoms are so minor as to not even be noticed, and it has no long term ill effects. 

Not saying any STI is pleasant - having had gonorrhea myself - but in the great scheme of things I suspect they are just an occupational hazard to an escort.  I've spoken to punters on this site who have had STI's themselves and are equally philosophical about them.

The only real concern is HIV.  So what is the real risk of an escort contracting HIV?  Of course statistics can be deceiving but it's an absolute fact that we do not have anything like an epidemic of HIV here in the UK.  The actual number of new infections is falling slightly year on year (at it's peak in the mid 2000's it never got above 8,000 infections per year - in recent times it was just over 6,300 in 2012 and fell to 6,000 in 2013). And it's still true that the vast majority of new infections are in the gay community and black African males.

External Link/Members Onlythere are only around 100,000 people with HIV in the UK (around 80,000 diagnosed, 20k undiagnosed) that's 0.15%, and of these 3/4 are homosexual or bisexual men, or black African males (the latter many escorts exclude possibly because of this). 

So assuming that WG's are not seeing gay men and black Africans that leaves around 12,500 potential infected individuals.  And of those how many will see escorts? According to External Link/Members Onlyworst case 8% of the UK male population see escorts in any one year - so let's just say that 8% carries through to the HIV infected population so that makes around 1,000 potentially infected punters. 

And the total punting population?  Again taking that 8% figure - if the entire adult male population is under 20m, 8% * 20m = 1.6m potential punters - making an escorts rough chance of any one punter they see having HIV being around 1 / 1,600 or so (1,000 out of 1.6m).

Then compound that with the risk of contracting HIV from any single instance of sex based on the External Link/Members Only.  That's hardly a coin toss, nor even russian roulette.  Not even close.  So the overall chance of a WG contracting HIV in this country still looks really low. 

Again I don't want to dismiss the HIV risk but this is borne out by other research that suggests that less than 1% of the escort population in the UK are HIV positive. 

As the saying goes, there are lies, damn lies and statistics but the stats do seem to suggest that bb is not the massive risk that some might suggest.  Yes, you can expect all kinds of regular STI's - an occupational hazard - but the HIV risk they probably calculate as being very low - and given the available stats it's difficult to argue with.

I'm sure that some punters will call me irresponsible for even suggesting that the risks are low (actually one already has) but you can't get away from the facts and I'd say it's irresponsible to scaremonger.  I also am sure that a lot of bb goes on undercover - we've all heard of escorts who offer bb without advertising it and that makes it harder for us to make an informed decision - so I for one would rather bb was not made a taboo or stigmatised but treated as it is - just a (considerably) higher risk form of punting that some of us would prefer to steer clear of.

I genuinely don't expect seeing these stats will encourage too many punters to suddenly go on a bb spree - for an escort STI's may be an occupational hazard but for a punter - especially one who is not single - they can be extremely inconvenient.  As would an escort turning up on the doorstep with your child demanding child support. 

Offline smiths

Most STI's all easily treatable if you are tested regularly and although some like Herpes are not curable for the majority any symptoms are so minor as to not even be noticed, and it has no long term ill effects. 

Not saying any STI is pleasant - having had gonorrhea myself - but in the great scheme of things I suspect they are just an occupational hazard to an escort.  I've spoken to punters on this site who have had STI's themselves and are equally philosophical about them.

The only real concern is HIV.  So what is the real risk of an escort contracting HIV?  Of course statistics can be deceiving but it's an absolute fact that we do not have anything like an epidemic of HIV here in the UK.  The actual number of new infections is falling slightly year on year (at it's peak in the mid 2000's it never got above 8,000 infections per year - in recent times it was just over 6,300 in 2012 and fell to 6,000 in 2013). And it's still true that the vast majority of new infections are in the gay community and black African males.

External Link/Members Onlythere are only around 100,000 people with HIV in the UK (around 80,000 diagnosed, 20k undiagnosed) that's 0.15%, and of these 3/4 are homosexual or bisexual men, or black African males (the latter many escorts exclude possibly because of this). 

So assuming that WG's are not seeing gay men and black Africans that leaves around 12,500 potential infected individuals.  And of those how many will see escorts? According to External Link/Members Onlyworst case 8% of the UK male population see escorts in any one year - so let's just say that 8% carries through to the HIV infected population so that makes around 1,000 potentially infected punters. 

And the total punting population?  Again taking that 8% figure - if the entire adult male population is under 20m, 8% * 20m = 1.6m potential punters - making an escorts rough chance of any one punter they see having HIV being around 1 / 1,600 or so (1,000 out of 1.6m).

Then compound that with the risk of contracting HIV from any single instance of sex based on the External Link/Members Only.  That's hardly a coin toss, nor even russian roulette.  Not even close.  So the overall chance of a WG contracting HIV in this country still looks really low. 

Again I don't want to dismiss the HIV risk but this is borne out by other research that suggests that less than 1% of the escort population in the UK are HIV positive. 

As the saying goes, there are lies, damn lies and statistics but the stats do seem to suggest that bb is not the massive risk that some might suggest.  Yes, you can expect all kinds of regular STI's - an occupational hazard - but the HIV risk they probably calculate as being very low - and given the available stats it's difficult to argue with.

I'm sure that some punters will call me irresponsible for even suggesting that the risks are low (actually one already has) but you can't get away from the facts and I'd say it's irresponsible to scaremonger.  I also am sure that a lot of bb goes on undercover - we've all heard of escorts who offer bb without advertising it and that makes it harder for us to make an informed decision - so I for one would rather bb was not made a taboo or stigmatised but treated as it is - just a (considerably) higher risk form of punting that some of us would prefer to steer clear of.

I genuinely don't expect seeing these stats will encourage too many punters to suddenly go on a bb spree - for an escort STI's may be an occupational hazard but for a punter - especially one who is not single - they can be extremely inconvenient.  As would an escort turning up on the doorstep with your child demanding child support.

Personally I am concerned about any STI not just becoming HIV. Its also not known how many people might be HIV here as they might not know themselves yet, and this COULD be a lot of people. So called stats are only as good as the info those that compile them have of course.

Quesadilla

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Personally I am concerned about any STI not just becoming HIV. Its also not known how many people might be HIV here as they might not know themselves yet, and this COULD be a lot of people. So called stats are only as good as the info those that compile them have of course.
Absolutely right - STI's are no fun - and the idea of the CSA getting on my back doesn't appeal either.

Re HIV - the estimate about those undiagnosed could be out but it's unlikely to be out by a huge degree - even if the total population of infected is double that claimed it's still a small number in my view and does not change the overall risk.

 

johnnyboy61

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Quesadilla, you seem very keen on using empirical evidence to back up your assertions, which is very laudable, although of course as we know over the years statistics have been used many times to prove that black is white and we are all familiar with the phrase "lies, dames lies and statistics".

As this is about BB WGs I wonder, though doubt, if there is a stat of the chances of catching HIV by having unprotected sex with a girl who has the jizz of her previous customer (or two or three) floating around in her as you perform OWO and BB sex. Surely this must be greater? I know that HIV cannot live outside the body for long, but what about the warm, moist comfortable environment of a WG's vagina? Presumably if she's seen three other customers before you and it does survive for a few hours you've quadrupled the risk? Just a thought???
« Last Edit: June 27, 2015, 02:37:27 pm by johnnyboy61 »

Offline cueball

Ha ha, I wouldn't be worried about the csa, how the hell are they going to prove who the dad is. Imagine how many potential dads there would be after a week's worth barebacking day in and day out.

All with false names and punting phones, tough one even for Sherlock

Quesadilla

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Quesadilla, you seem very keen on using empirical evidence to back up your assertions, which is very laudable, although of course as we know over the years statistics have been used many times to prove that black is white and we are all familiar with the phrase "lies, dames lies and statistics".

As this is about BB WGs I wonder, though doubt, if there is a stat of the chances of catching HIV by having unprotected sex with a girl who has the jizz of her previous customer (or two or three) floating around in her as you perform OWO and BB sex. Surely this must be greater? I know that HIV cannot live outside the body for long, but what about the warm, moist comfortable environment of a WG's vagina? Presumably if she's seen three other customers before you and it does survive for a few hours you've quadrupled the risk? Just a thought???

According to THT and the data published by shagbambi yesterday there is a very small chance of catching HIV from any kind of oral sex.  So whether you give someone a bj or happen to ingest infected cum via RO after the fact the chances appear to be so low as to be almost negligible.

Maybe you can get infected from second hand cum in the vagina but I'd say the chances are in no way increased vs fucking an infected escort - the risks apper to be down to the likelihood of the virus getting into your cock.  Whether it is more likely or less likely from infected cum vs infected vaginal secretions is probably impossible to say.  No question a wg who lists bb is statistically more likely to carry the infection one way or the other so that's part of the risk.

Hence my concern that we don't stigmatize bb - forewarned is forearmed. If there are punters happy with taking those risks I say good luck to them, but please let those of us that aren't know about it.

Quesadilla

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Ha ha, I wouldn't be worried about the csa, how the hell are they going to prove who the dad is. Imagine how many potential dads there would be after a week's worth barebacking day in and day out.

All with false names and punting phones, tough one even for Sherlock

DNA testing would prove it easily enough. The concern is not some random bb WG but rather you being targeted by a WG who gets to know you and thinks you're a good candidate (ie know you can afford to pay!).

Offline smiths

Absolutely right - STI's are no fun - and the idea of the CSA getting on my back doesn't appeal either.

Re HIV - the estimate about those undiagnosed could be out but it's unlikely to be out by a huge degree - even if the total population of infected is double that claimed it's still a small number in my view and does not change the overall risk.

My point was who knows how far it COULD be out. When WGs are then factored in I wonder how many of them are HIV but aren't aware and then how many of them are offering BB to any Tom, Dick or Abdul. Same goes for STIs until they have symptoms that mean they bother to get checked out by which time who knows how many punters they COULD of infected.

And the heart of the situation when punting with WGs and civvies you don't know and even civvies you do know is what COULD they of been doing and with whom, obviously you don't know for definite so going BB with them is a risky old game, the actual risk your taking isn't known to you, sure you would be unlucky to catch something from a one-off fuck but it COULD happen.

Offline smiths

DNA testing would prove it easily enough. The concern is not some random bb WG but rather you being targeted by a WG who gets to know you and thinks you're a good candidate (ie know you can afford to pay!).

Even more reason to use a punting phone/sim, all a WG would then have is that number and your description unless your stupid enough to tell her your real name etc. I do appreciate though there are trusting punters about who would and do tell WGs all about their real names and details.

Offline cueball

DNA testing would prove it easily enough.

Only if you go back and volunteer a sample.


vt

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Another aspect to throw into the mix are the HIV positive 'gift-givers' who seek out BB prossies to 'gift' the virus to...pretty sick stuff and probably criminal, but unlikely to be caught with the anonymity of punting.

It's a spillover from the 'bugchasing' practice within the gay community.

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If you were to follow a 'gift-giver' who has knowingly attempted to infect a BB prossie for some nihilistic thrill, you could get those odds reducing dramatically.

vt

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There is a an openly BB commercial sex scene in Germany, named AO (Alles Ohne or Everything Without (Condom)). They have Gangbang parties where second-tier pornstars take multiple creampies from paying punters who have taken a rapid test for HIV & Syphilis at the venue before the start. I guess this would discourage & prevent known HIV+ patients from attending, but there are 'window periods' where the infection has not produced sufficient antibodies for the test to pick it up.

Here is one provider: External Link/Members Only

They are often filmed...

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« Last Edit: June 27, 2015, 04:02:26 pm by vt »

Offline smiths

There is a an openly BB commercial sex scene in Germany, named AO (Alles Ohne or Everything Without (Condom)). They have Gangbang parties where second-tier pornstars take multiple creampies from paying punters who have taken a rapid test for HIV & Syphilis at the venue before the start. I guess this would discourage & prevent known HIV+ patients from attending, but there are 'window periods' where the infection has not produced sufficient antibodies for the test to pick it up.

Here is one provider: External Link/Members Only

They are often filmed...

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That skank Kirie has participated in some of them in Germany as well as running her own BB Parties here. :vomit:

Offline punk



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What a slag,but fuckable in a dirty way, fuck me those guy's even keep there socks on.

johnnyboy61

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Just an off-topic observation. Didn't realise why I kept losing this thread until I noticed that it is only visible when logged-on. I thought this only applied to the Off-Topic area, but obviously Admin can apply it to individual threads.

Offline myothernameis

What a slag,but fuckable in a dirty way, fuck me those guy's even keep there socks on.

10:30 into the video, there even a guy licking her out, knowing someone just come inside her  :vomit: :scare: :scare:

Offline punk

10:30 into the video, there even a guy licking her out, knowing someone just come inside her  :vomit: :scare: :scare:

yeah there are some sick fucking men about and we talk about the prossies, some of the punters are just as bad   :D

GusFring

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I'll do BB when I'm 75 and don't give a fuck anymore.

Marmite

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I'll do BB when I'm 75 and don't give a fuck anymore.
A statement that has probably never been said by a fit healthy 74 year old.

firingblanks

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« Last Edit: June 27, 2015, 08:44:52 pm by firingblanks »

Diehard

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A visit to SAAFE will enlighten those who think bareback is a taboo subject for WGs. Many of the girls on there have said they have had bareback sex (even though they don't offer it on their profile) but their only concern is how to ensure if they get pregnant they get the benefit payments.

Most escorts don't make sure we put the condom on properly, and the best escorts service wise who get into the session tend not to check if the condom still on.

I have no interest in bareback sex as the risk outweighs the reward but my view is that girls will go bareback if a client seems well presented and clean. I base that on how careless many have been with me. I'm in no doubt I could easily have gone bareback had I chosen to.

Im also sure many if offered extra money will do it as well. I've said before I think on average bb sex bothers punters more than escorts.

Statistically the chances of catching a std from a hooker is much less than a civvie. Every September  I read that sti's have gone through the roof...which seems to coincide with the end of the Ibiza clubbing summer.

How many of us when younger and pissed up on a Saturday night had the sense in the throes of passion if having pulled to halt proceedings to put a condom, and a lot of us probably remember the AIDS headstone advert in the late 80s.

I think this debate shouldn't centre around just bareback with hookers. The hooker aspect for this one issue is irrelevant. Bareback sex is a huge risk per se unless one is in a monogamous relationship.

Offline Horizontal pleasures

A statement that has probably never been said by a fit healthy 74 year old.

i am 73

JV547845

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Statistically the chances of catching a std from a hooker is much less than a civvie.

A hooker who caters to breeders, one who openly offers bareback, or one who only does it in secret with clean gents like you claim to be? 

There's still a 3 month incubation period on the blood test for STDs at the GUM clinic.  A clean result just proves you were clean 3 months ago.  The hooker you want to bareback, how many other punters did she bareback in the last 3 months?

Grumbleguts

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DNA testing would prove it easily enough. The concern is not some random bb WG but rather you being targeted by a WG who gets to know you and thinks you're a good candidate (ie know you can afford to pay!).

Jeremy Kyle Show, " I had BB with a prossie, is this my child" :dash: :dash: Would make a great show :blush: :(

Diehard

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A hooker who caters to breeders, one who openly offers bareback, or one who only does it in secret with clean gents like you claim to be? 

There's still a 3 month incubation period on the blood test for STDs at the GUM clinic.  A clean result just proves you were clean 3 months ago.  The hooker you want to bareback, how many other punters did she bareback in the last 3 months?

Id say the ones who offer bare back are on a par with civvies but the ones who pick and choose are less.

Would you have bareback sex with a civvie who had just been to Ibiza? I wouldn't!

Offline webpunter

the risks apper to be down to the likelihood of the virus getting into your cock

If there are punters happy with taking those risks I say good luck to them, but please let those of us that aren't know about it.
Two things i agree with you on.  On the 1st point:
Had a HIV test a while ago after having a few civvie shags which started off protected and then the nodders got dispensed with.  The usual temptations.  All fine & have now will go in rubbered up should the opportunity present itself.  The doc mentioned it wasn't just the case of whether a condom used but also what went on.  This is assuming no other infections / cuts etc.  Its the duration amongst other things.  So shooting your bolt in like 2 mins is less risky.  But with lengthy sex sessions then the chances increase.  Purely through the level of contact with fanny batter and particularly if vigorous etc.  He also mentioned that if the other person had just caught the infection then way more risky as their viral load was much higher.  Mentioned in other posts on here but i thought worth repeating as this info was straight from a medical professional.  My mental resistance to engaging in OWO will now not surprisingly be much higher having read loads of stuff and having been on a lucky streak.  Which will no doubt end at some point.  Not because of the HIV risk which you refer to tho !

needzall

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It's not the Romas that bother me. Yes they bother me but I know most of them are forced into this industry and probably wouldn't be doing bb if asked. I've seen a few and they were all quick to use a condom. Which is a good thing obviously.
The WG that bother me are ones like this. External Link/Members Only . Not too judge but bb no extra charge even in quickies...for £30. Wow that's pretty cheap and quite risky I think. She's got some hooters I'll give her that but damn that creeps me out a bit.

Offline punk

It's not the Romas that bother me. Yes they bother me but I know most of them are forced into this industry and probably wouldn't be doing bb if asked. I've seen a few and they were all quick to use a condom. Which is a good thing obviously.
The WG that bother me are ones like this. External Link/Members Only . Not too judge but bb no extra charge even in quickies...for £30. Wow that's pretty cheap and quite risky I think. She's got some hooters I'll give her that but damn that creeps me out a bit.

next time offer them 30 extra or 50,your be surprised how many will, i did it as an experiment once to the

"All these girls are forced "or "all these women don't realise that the pimp put a tick on bare back." question

on romanians,poles and hungarians who had bb on likes and a couple who did not,via text for one that was a no or its a mistake,others depend on how long i stayed.


Offline Horizontal pleasures

External Link/Members Only . Not too judge but bb no extra charge even in quickies...for £30. Wow that's pretty cheap and quite risky I think. She's got some hooters I'll give her that but damn that creeps me out a bit.

I have never been to Clacton, it is a bit far for me, but thanks for the heads up.

Offline cueball

I have never been to Clacton, it is a bit far for me, but thanks for the heads up.

 :D


Offline smiths

Seems enchanting!  :hi:

I wouldn't go that far but Clacton isn't bad or Walton-On-The-Naze just don't go to Jaywick nearby, a real shithole.

needzall

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next time offer them 30 extra or 50,your be surprised how many will, i did it as an experiment once to ththe

"All these girls are forced "or "all these women don't realise that the pimp put a tick on bare back." question

on romanians,poles and hungarians who had bb on likes and a couple who did not,via text for one that was a no or its a mistake,others depend on how long i stayed.

I suppose I'm being a bit extreme when I say all are forced. I'm sure some gladly do it for the money and don't care about the risks. O well as far as the Clayton girls goes that just seems like too big of a risk. I'd be curious to know why she offers it at such a little price? Is she stupid or just plain don't give a fuck.
« Last Edit: July 06, 2015, 12:20:22 pm by needzall »

Offline englandfan

I wouldn't go that far but Clacton isn't bad or Walton-On-The-Naze just don't go to Jaywick nearby, a real shithole.

Jaywick on TV tomorrow night.   Channel 4 or 5, cant remember which, should be entertaining !

firingblanks

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Bareback has just been posted in the East Midlands section for a girl in Leicester by UKBB.

Between his post and this thread, I have thought really hard if Punting is just a game of Russian Roulette?

A Barebacker who goes with Non Bareback WG's for CIM or OWO just prior to someone who thinks BB is just very very wrong like myself, then someone like me comes along and indulges in RO, OWO, CIM and this WG is maybe not as hygienic as we would hope.  :scare:

I've decided my very short Full Service Punting career is over  :thumbsdown:
But I will continue with my much loved massage with HE.  :thumbsup:

Being married and risking the Mrs, myself and other WG's as well as my fellow punters is too much to risk.

Barebacker guys should share "All" working girls they have been with so the majority of us could avoid them too.
Obviously I'm not stupid and know some WG's will do BB without it being advertised as I came across this BB offer on my 2nd punt in Slough last month. I turned it down and covered up and opted for no RO.
That made me uneasy, now I'm just pure scared by it.
Enough is enough.
I value my health and wellbeing.

Offline licky

This girl has just turned up in my neck of the woods.
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Perhaps she tours, but before I discovered bb and unprotected sex in her profile, I had clicked on her reports.

Within the last day one report had said that he was followed after the punt by 3 guys, so punters beware, and another report had said, all in capital letters and using a lot of f words, said he had caught syphilis off her.  :scare:
Surprise, surprise, her feedback is now hidden.

This just shows the dangers of bb escorts, and she is probably pimped as well.
Avoid !
 

Offline punk

This girl has just turned up in my neck of the woods.
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Perhaps she tours, but before I discovered bb and unprotected sex in her profile, I had clicked on her reports.

Within the last day one report had said that he was followed after the punt by 3 guys, so punters beware, and another report had said, all in capital letters and using a lot of f words, said he had caught syphilis off her.  :scare:
Surprise, surprise, her feedback is now hidden.

This just shows the dangers of bb escorts, and she is probably pimped as well.
Avoid !

Why the fuck is the thicko who's caught syphilis so surprised?