SWARM Collective fund

[finn5555]

then one way or another, most of the donations should be spent on what was intended.

Like what shoes and drugs 

[webpunter]

If ParisB gets herself involved donator confidentiality is guaranteed   

Bet ya our friends over @ Mnet will be desperate to get involved

[tynetunnel]

....

WG's may earn £100+ /hour.  But Swarm is about helping sex workers generally, and at least according to this university study, just over half of sex workers have pre tax income  below 20k / year.   External Link/Members Only   .....

As do I

So that means half of sex workers earn more than me, and half are in the same boat as me.

I can’t work out if jesse4585 is serious, or a troll! Will he also donate to cab drivers, whose business falls through the floor as people reign back on nights out, or care home staff (already on minimum wage) who may have reduced hours if their residents start to die off.... or airline staff who face being laid off, or waiting staff in restaurants.... 

Surely he’s trolling! 

[daviemac]

Well their website looks pretty humble, & their choice of payment merchant  (donatebox) is one of the most cost efficient.  So I'd guess their external admin costs are likely low.
They're saying that until the end of April,  100% of the donations are going to sex workers in hardship.  They might have internal admin costs, but as I think their staff are largely sex workers themselves,  then one way or another, most of the donations should be spent on what was intended.

Give your head a shake mate and check out the rules eh??

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[bedhedred]

I'm minded to keep visiting a select few regular girls who I want to support. I think it could build good will in a time when their business is clearly suffering.

But handouts to a website on a "named" basis: not for me.

[DonDickDraper]

At the end of the day, as the Holy Bible shows, Christ spent quite a bit of His time hanging out with & helping out WGs & other fallen women, despite there being many other apparently more deserving things requiring His attention.  His Kingdom isn't of this world, and neither is His logic.

 

Pretty sure sex outside marriage is a sin you dumb cunt so stop with the fake religiosity.

[jesse4585]

Pretty sure sex outside marriage is a sin you dumb cunt so stop with the fake religiosity.

Any yet we have a rather long thread about WG's who wear religious symbols.

Unless you count some v rare attempts at humour  (which I've not done on this thread)  there's nothing fake, moralising or trolling on any of my posts. As said twice already, I'm not criticising you guys or having a different opinion,  and I admit logic is mostly on your side.

There's always different ways to look at things - hence why as others have noted, some cam girls make over 50k year without ever meeting anyone in person, despite the fact  the internet is full of free porn. Often it makes these threads more interesting if people post different perspectives.

In this case DavieMac has made it clear I'm coming across as too supportive to WGs .  I'm of the opinion that  with a few exceptions like the price question, what's good for WG's is good for punters.  But DavieMac is the mod & more experienced than me, so he probably knows best.  No more posts on donating or eThots / camGirls from me for quite a while.  Zip!

[daviemac]

Any yet we have a rather long thread about WG's who wear religious symbols.

Unless you count some v rare attempts at humour  (which I've not done on this thread)  there's nothing fake, moralising or trolling on any of my posts. As said twice already, I'm not criticising you guys or having a different opinion,  and I admit logic is mostly on your side.

There's always different ways to look at things - hence why as others have noted, some cam girls make over 50k year without ever meeting anyone in person, despite the fact  the internet is full of free porn. Often it makes these threads more interesting if people post different perspectives.

In this case DavieMac has made it clear I'm coming across as too supportive to WGs .  I'm of the opinion that  with a few exceptions like the price question, what's good for WG's is good for punters.  But DavieMac is the mod & more experienced than me, so he probably knows best.  No more posts on donating or eThots / camGirls from me for quite a while.  Zip!

The point you are missing is this site is dedicated to the services escorts provide, not those who cam. Type 'cam girl review sites' into google and you will find sites dedicated to that where you can review to your hearts content. They don't review escorts though they stick to what the site is designed for.

[DonDickDraper]

Any yet we have a rather long thread about WG's who wear religious symbols.

Unless you count some v rare attempts at humour  (which I've not done on this thread)  there's nothing fake, moralising or trolling on any of my posts. As said twice already, I'm not criticising you guys or having a different opinion,  and I admit logic is mostly on your side.

And those working girls are dumb cunts too because their lifestyle and the edicts of their religion are at odds with each other - if they are religious Christians that is. A lot of those girls are probably Cultural Christians like many of us are. Christianity is part of the foundation of our culture and it’s values so I can’t judge wearing a cross as harshly as someone trying to quote from the Good Book to make a moral point because Christian symbols are part of the culture of the Western world so their symbolic value transcends religious affiliation.

There's always different ways to look at things - hence why as others have noted, some cam girls make over 50k year without ever meeting anyone in person, despite the fact  the internet is full of free porn. Often it makes these threads more interesting if people post different perspectives.

In this case DavieMac has made it clear I'm coming across as too supportive to WGs .  I'm of the opinion that  with a few exceptions like the price question, what's good for WG's is good for punters.  But DavieMac is the mod & more experienced than me, so he probably knows best.  No more posts on donating or eThots / camGirls from me for quite a while.  Zip!

Mate, if you’re religion says that sex outside of marriage is a sin then how can there be more than two ways of looking at it? It’s clear as day in the New Testament. A fair few of us here will be well acquainted with the book as we grew up in the Church (or a church) and the annoying thing for me is for someone to try and use that book to make some moral point while shagging prostitutes outside of marriage. Keep religion out of your arguments or people will rightly call you out on your apparent hypocrisy.

[Drayki]

I’ve never seen a hard up prossie yet 

And anyone that donates to this piss taking fund needs their head seriously tested   

[haggismccormick]

Pretty sure sex outside marriage is a sin you dumb cunt so stop with the fake religiosity

Sex outside marriage is not a biblical sin. There  plenty of non-marital sex stories in the bible. and nowhere in the bible is prostitution (unless the whore is a married woman) forbidden. Indeed the concept of the concubine is almost encouraged.

Having said that I can think of plenty more deserving cases than SWARM (and very few less deserving )

[B4bcock]

Theres no love lost betwixt punther and prozzie!

True.   But there is an awful lot of fraternising with the enemy.

[jesse4585]

Sex outside marriage is not a biblical sin. There  plenty of non-marital sex stories in the bible. and nowhere in the bible is prostitution (unless the whore is a married woman) forbidden. Indeed the concept of the concubine is almost encouraged.

Having said that I can think of plenty more deserving cases than SWARM (and very few less deserving )

I'd say the good book can be read as supporting both yours & DonDickDraper's  position.   But yes St Augustine, in some ways one of the chaps most responsbible for setting up the church in the 5th century,   had  concubines for much of his life.  He & other big wigs also wrote passages making the case for prostitution.  May be related to why quite a few of the folk who help SWARM argue against feminists trying to impose the Nordic model, are in fact Christians.

That said I can see now that DonDickDraper & others are right I was unwise  to bring JC into this.  Per DavieMac Im also now going to shut my gob on the religion topic.  But assuming I'm not permabanned,  anyone is welcome to PM if they'd like to chat on how it relates to punting.

[Taggart]

There's a logistics hub near me, they move incoming containers off ships - mainly from China.
Looks like around a third of their cabs were laid up this week due to lack of work

I read there had been more than 30 sailings of container ships cancelled. Seen trains carrying a just few containers but lots of empty space. The world has adapted to mass production in China and a just in time delivery method, but Coronavirus has shredded it and it’s an enforced recession.

As for donations, I’d rather chew my arm. Whoring was their career choice, demand plummets...tough. Live through the good times, save for the hard times. 

[scutty brown]

I read there had been more than 30 sailings of container ships cancelled. Seen trains carrying a just few containers but lots of empty space. The world has adapted to mass production in China and a just in time delivery method, but Coronavirus has shredded it and it’s an enforced recession.

As for donations, I’d rather chew my arm. Whoring was their career choice, demand plummets...tough. Live through the good times, save for the hard times.

I've read on another forum that the number of container trains coming out of Felixstowe has been slashed by around 70%, so your comment about the ship sailings is totally consistent

[winkywanky]

The really klevva WG will pick a loaded 'customer' & suggest a holiday [at reduced rates]
There is always a way to travel if you try
Or go somewhere & find punters there
Dubai is nice at this time of year

...with no guarantee of being able to return home.

Stuck in a foreign land with WG who's relying on you for her upkeep while away.

It could go very badly tits up, and I don't mean hers.

Are you totally insane?   

[Dragzzzz]

Well as we are at home as well they could become web cam girls

[Moby Dick]

Well as we are at home as well they could become web cam girls

Progressed from PPE

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to  “ wanking at home” as per my avatar.
Just haven’t got any bog roll, don’t want sticky keys, been years since I had a wank into a sock.

[winkywanky]

been years since I had a wank into a sock.

Not only does it make you go blind, it also gives you ingrown toenails.

[webpunter]

I was referring to things from a WGs perspective
Not from a punters outlook
Agree insane to take one away
Most places worth going to have loads of hookers
So when you get bored onto the next one
& a buyers market at the mo

...with no guarantee of being able to return home.

Stuck in a foreign land with WG who's relying on you for her upkeep while away.

It could go very badly tits up, and I don't mean hers.

Are you totally insane?   

[RedKettle]

There will be many hard up people as a result of the impact the virus will have on the economy and I fail to see why sex workers should be a special case.  Personally I try and do my bit to help by charitable donations but I give these to organisations that I believe are able to get help to those that need it and are not focused on a particular sub set like sex workers.

I know it will not be appreciate by some members but for example Sports Relief is targeting some of the monies just raised to Corona created hardship. I would rather give them a few quid.

[finn5555]

Just drop their prices they will survive 

[webpunter]

+1
Although too much discounting can be counter productive

& do the following:

• be half reasonable at comms
• be like & provide whats showing on the profile
• don't short change punters on the clock
• appear to make an effort
• have ok punting accomo rather than a shit tip

Like every other business some fail, some will survive & a few will thrive
So your average shite service roma is gonna struggle
Sergei is gonna be well fucked off.  Shame that

Just drop their prices they will survive 

[Sullivan]

It’s a bit like petrol.

How many reviews have I read at £120 per hour where someone says they saw her last month for £100.

At the slightest chance, they’ll put prices up. Then demand goes down and instead of pricing it to bring business in, some are going cap in hand to those they’ve been turning the screw on already.

I’d be interested to know which SPs will benefits from this fund. Is it a closed set?

[king tarzan]

very little sympathy for anyone crying poverty who earns £100+ ph

planing ahead and buying less designer bags could possibly have been wise 

eye of the 🐆👊👊 👊👊👊👊

[Payyourwaymate]

People in the tourist, temp/zero hours sectors are getting laid off and there's a fund to donate to sex workers?

Erm...well, hmmm. Not too sure where the money is going to come from as donating to a WG out of work is the last thing on peoples minds.

[yorkshirepunter3333]

So, now is the time to become a sex worker and get some free cash for not working.

That aside, I am self employed (contractor) and a tad worried , so I do understand that for some it’s going to be hard tbh, it’s going to be hard for lots of people .

Why has loo roll sales gone up? Working at home requires lots for you know what

[king tarzan]

It' self preservation time... V sign to everyone else!!!   

[hillingdonpete]

Correct.  I tend to have about two 1 hour punts per month, so Im still quids in now I've decided to take a break till this bug thing is under control.  (Mostly with lasses I've seen before, which is why I don't have many reviews)

Fair play, I'd 100% agree it's best for the government to provide a generous safety net so this sort of donation isn't needed.  And a lot more of my time & money goes to canvassing for / donating to the Labour party than to punting, to help bring that about. But obviously we're stuck with the Tories running the show for at least a few years now, so there is a case for private charity.

PS - I understand most here have a different view -you think not stepping is actually being cruel to be kind or whatever,  as it helps encourage self reliance.  I'm not critic sing that stance, it's just not an opinion I share.

I simply refuse to believe this. 
The man is obviously a troll.

[Payyourwaymate]

Yes, as mentioned in previous threads  I frequently tip, & I tend to give little presents to any whores I see around Christmas time.

WG's may earn £100+ /hour.  But Swarm is about helping sex workers generally, and at least according to this university study, just over half of sex workers have pre tax income  below 20k / year.   External Link/Members Only   

Granted, most  (but not all)  FS whores make a lot more than that.  But many of them don't save.   It has to be quite a fall from grace to go from than having cash to pay for whatever you fancy, to needing to resort to food banks.  There's a case to be made that a donating to whore's on the breadline alleviates much more suffering than handouts to the deserving homeless.   Those homeless have already suffered affliction.   Once you've looked into the abyss, you can't un-see those sights.  The WGs have not, and with a bit of luck, if the optimistic forecasts turn out to be correct, they never need to.

That said,  I'd admit most sound worldly logic is  on your side.

At the end of the day, as the Holy Bible shows, Christ spent quite a bit of His time hanging out with & helping out WGs & other fallen women, despite there being many other apparently more deserving things requiring His attention.  His Kingdom isn't of this world, and neither is His logic.

....so you are the type of customer that WGs hope will fall onto their laps.



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[pewpewpew]

Don't want to be the eternal pessimist but how does one know that swarm isn't just some fat old guy collecting money for himself? And even if it is genuine we've been donating to the prossie fund for ages and it's all been mismanaged. I'm sure if a WG who normally charges £150 P/H drops her rates to £80 she would get some custom. Even 1 punt per day would see her through these difficult times so don't expect me to pay to keep them in the luxurious lifestyle that they have become accustomed to

[dubs]

The virus has fucked up my business too. All these people working from home means I can’t be an opportunist burglar any more

[chodu1]

The only way I'm 'donating' is to hand over 3 £20s before I drop my Y Fronts and empty my bollocks into some whore.

You earn, you save. If you forget to do the latter and spunk it on handbags or whatever then tough shit. Get on your back and open your legs.
 

[PepeMAGA]

Yes, as mentioned in previous threads  I frequently tip, & I tend to give little presents to any whores I see around Christmas time.

WG's may earn £100+ /hour.  But Swarm is about helping sex workers generally, and at least according to this university study, just over half of sex workers have pre tax income  below 20k / year.   External Link/Members Only   

Granted, most  (but not all)  FS whores make a lot more than that.  But many of them don't save.   It has to be quite a fall from grace to go from than having cash to pay for whatever you fancy, to needing to resort to food banks.  There's a case to be made that a donating to whore's on the breadline alleviates much more suffering than handouts to the deserving homeless.   Those homeless have already suffered affliction.   Once you've looked into the abyss, you can't un-see those sights.  The WGs have not, and with a bit of luck, if the optimistic forecasts turn out to be correct, they never need to.

That said,  I'd admit most sound worldly logic is  on your side.

At the end of the day, as the Holy Bible shows, Christ spent quite a bit of His time hanging out with & helping out WGs & other fallen women, despite there being many other apparently more deserving things requiring His attention.  His Kingdom isn't of this world, and neither is His logic.

calling them whores 3 times doesnt make it any less fluffy.
you could have spent an hour with a girl at 150 an hour and it would have been a lot more fun.

the bible doesnt show that either.

[GreyDave]

At the end of the day, as the Holy Bible shows, Christ spent quite a bit of His time hanging out with & helping out WGs & other fallen women, despite there being many other apparently more deserving things requiring His attention.  His Kingdom isn't of this world, and neither is His logic.

Contraception was iffy then so chances are we come in contact with a lot more children of christ than we think ?

[unclepokey]

Two of the charitable activities I take part in and which provide opportunities to be 'out and about' are curtailed due to the present circumstances. But while I have sympathy towards sex workers I'm not contributing to the SWARM fund.
Instead I'm going to continue putting aside slugs of money so, that when the opportunities once again arise I will be able to have fun in spades. I realise if the virus doesn't get me that might.
Uncle Pokey

[Moby Dick]

Not only does it make you go blind, it also gives you ingrown toenails.

Got my ingrown toenails removed when I was a teenager. 
Just as well ‘cos me eyesight and inflexibility would make it impossible to cut them these days.

[Belgarion]

I simply refuse to believe this. 
The man is obviously a troll.

A troll or an SP posing as a punter

[Cervixbanger]

I’ve never seen a hard up Sex Worker yet 

And anyone that donates to this piss taking fund needs their head seriously tested   

+1
Without wanting to be specific, a lot of my work is outdoors. When we had Foot & Mouth disease outbreak in 2001(?) I had little work for six months. Guess how many WGs gave me money or discounts or free sex because I was struggling to save my business? Fucking none - they weren't interested in me! Now the situation is reversed why should I donate to them? For the person in this thread who likes to quote off topic religious bollox, I would just point out "do as thy would be done by". I'll be keeping my hard earned £150 - I'd rather give it to charity.

[Clitheroelad]

WG's may earn £100+ /hour.  But Swarm is about helping sex workers generally, and at least according to this university study, just over half of sex workers have pre tax income  below 20k / year.   External Link/Members Only   

Granted, most  (but not all)  FS whores make a lot more than that.  But many of them don't save.   

At £100 an hour, 10 punters a week is £1000. That equates to £52 ,000 a year. I suspect that paper relates to street girls doing £5 blowjobs for a bag of Smack. As for those earning more, you think they declare cash in hand income to the tax man ?

As for Whores not saving for a rainy day, my heart bleeds.

[lewisjones23]

At £100 an hour, 10 punters a week is £1000. That equates to £52 ,000 a year. I suspect that paper relates to street girls doing £5 blowjobs for a bag of Smack. As for those earning more, you think they declare cash in hand income to the tax man ?

As for Whores not saving for a rainy day, my heart bleeds.

the thread on saafe about business being slow due to covid-19 is glorious reading

[20jay]

While I sympathize with all small businesses in these times,  WG's must surely realize that they are a non-essential luxury* product and therefore the first thing to be curtailed when there is some kind of crisis.  If you don't get holiday or sick pay then it is your responsibility to make sure you have some contingency.  When I was a sole trader it was recommended to have 3 months spare funds.

* I don't mean luxury as in "luxury courtesan companion" @ £400 per hour

I sign that 100%. I also have reserves for 3 months then it gets difficult.

Experience has shown that the pity of the ladies with the punters also is very limited. With a few exceptions, it is purely business, on thin ice for punter as they cannot make any claims on agreements not adhered to in retrospect to reduce the price. Compared to regular business models. So no reason to burst into tears when revenue breaks down.

[usroads]

The idea of donating to SWARM is totally ludicrous.
I do believe however that a lot of SP's just work the minimum to get by and pay the bills and don't spend extravagantly.
Instead of donating to some spurious charity maybe instead (only if you can afford it) just look after one WG you know well and you know may be having a hard time. Just a thought in these rugged days - you can't help everyone but you can help someone.

[finn5555]

Instead of donating to some spurious charity maybe instead (only if you can afford it) just look after one WG you know well and you know may be having a hard time. Just a thought in these rugged days - you can't help everyone but you can help someone.

 

[usroads]

  ???
So what are your thoughts on helping humanity?

[finn5555]

???
So what are your thoughts on helping humanity?

Prostitutes earn more per hour than most they should have savings maybe I should set up a punters collective 

[finn5555]

I think anyone who is considering donating should think or more worthy charities first I.e cancer research etc they stand to loose millions 

[winkywanky]

Prostitutes earn more per hour than most they should have savings maybe I should set up a punters collective 

I do hope you're not proposing to be Treasurer Finn  .

[king tarzan]

I have my bills to pay.. and have to give petrol to my car... and the money i will be saving on escorts i will be feeding to my wallet.. so sorry escorts NO MONEY FOR YOU UNTIL I PULL IT OUT FOR YOU!!!!!!

[Payyourwaymate]

I do believe however that a lot of SP's just work the minimum to get by and pay the bills and don't spend extravagantly.
Instead of donating to some spurious charity maybe instead (only if you can afford it) just look after one WG you know well and you know may be having a hard time. Just a thought in these rugged days - you can't help everyone but you can help someone.

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