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Offline Marmalade

Skipping lightly over for a minute all those of you who tell me that every whore you fuck always orgasms at least thrice, squirts over the bed, and only accepts any money at all simply to stop you feeling a bit embarrassed, I'd like to look at this question of "being nice to the prossie during a punt" (not to be confused with kowtowing in a bloody review).

First of all, I think one of the best reasons, for me, in getting the money paid in the first 60 seconds is that I don't want to waste any more of the preciously extracted minutes by having to have my "brain in gear". I want to fuck. To enjoy the senses. To be consumed by passion. For instance, the night before last I had had excellent comms with an attractive young whore, even got quite a bit of sexy patter from her which put me in the mood to fuck her, and then she started quibbling over the cost of extras. She didn't want that much more, but it was the principle. If one of us had given in quickly it might well have progressed smoothly, but both of us stuck to our guns and the mood between us evaporated to the point where I saw her in a totally different light and told her I was not going to confirm the fucking booking. Brain in gear.

OK. So we've decided a particularly nice piece of cunt is worth it, paid her the cash, thought out cleanliness and security before arrival so there's no spare £20's falling out of our jeans pocket or gunk from the previous night's shag spicing up our prong, and switch off brain. I am master of her little cave, the divine shithole she calls her 'work apartment', and know that somehow I may still have to take the lead to get everything my cock most inwardly desires.

Some things, and some cunnies, yield to tact, some some don't. If she gets sexually excited, great. The fluctuations of her fanny and the flush on her cheeks and chumbawumbas/chesticles/cha-chas are definitely worth having (if they come at all).

But prossies are not only professionally good at faking it (the 'professional' ones), some just don't bother. If a couple of minutes of backrub and neck nibbles is not getting a reaction then I don't have all day to waste. Admittedly some of you will pander on, sucking her clit as if your life depends on it (and if it tastes good, why not?); but many prossies will simply write such devoted attentions off as slave flappings, wait till you've finished, and then proceed with a standard 'service' while mentally compiling a shopping list. A recent fuck session was along such lines -- although she did have the graciousness to keep smiling while she lay there doing sfa. She moved her corpse when directed, and moved spontaneously to indicate no fingering, kissing or fanny-licking. Her persona was quickly defined by such disinterestedness. At this stage I decided trying to "please" her to get a result was a waste of even the slightest muscle twitch. Fortunately she had an exceedingly pretty face and Playboy boobs and was clean and fresh smelling. Imagination, aided by her physical looks kicks in. Not a bad booking at the price. Could have been shit. Turned out great.

As Spinoza would say,"Wherefore it is greatly to be desired, and to be sought after with our whole might . . . "
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Offline shagbambi

Marmalade another really good post.  Dare I say the "Dick" of our boards...

Offline tesla

not in the same league as Philip K...

Offline Cuntminion

I've read this through three times I'm still none the wiser it may as well be in Arabic

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So Marmalade, where exactly do you see this thread going, because I'm buggered if I know how you expect the rest of us to follow on from your post and your rather enigmatic sci-fi quote for a title.

Offline punk

Skipping lightly over for a minute all those of you who tell me that every whore you fuck always orgasms at least thrice, squirts over the bed, and only accepts any money at all simply to stop you feeling a bit embarrassed, I'd like to look at this question of "being nice to the prossie during a punt" (not to be confused with kowtowing in a bloody review).


Deluded punters who watch too much porn and think when they are fucking a prossie,they are Rocco Siffredi or nacho vidal, all part of the falsity, were  the prossies thinking about lunch,how much the pimp cut is,shopping,sleeping and  how many more days / weeks before she can go home.
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Offline NottsNylonLuvr

Quite surprised really.
Blatantly labels others as racist yet has no quarrels with his own misogyny. (not that I see any problem with misogyny, but if you like handing out labels then you really should be setting some kind of example).

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OK. So we've decided a particularly nice piece of cunt is worth it,

A "piece of cunt"? Really?  :thumbsdown:

Offline OakTree

Deluded punters who watch too much porn and think when they are fucking a prossie,they are Rocco Siffredi or nacho vidal, all part of the falsity, were  the prossies thinking about lunch,how much the pimp cut is,shopping,sleeping and  how many more days / weeks before she can go home.
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Well for that hour that would be me. My real performance and her distant thoughts are lost in illusion. Once out the door and back in my car Fraserlad is no more and it's back to boring ordinary me.

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Well for that hour that would be me. My real performance and her distant thoughts are lost in illusion. Once out the door and back in my car Fraserlad is no more and it's back to boring ordinary me.

Well your honest.

Offline Cuntminion

A "piece of cunt"? Really?  :thumbsdown:

It's the nature of this activity I guess , people spout what they think is acceptable, personally I can't talk/type like this
I never want to get to the point where I dehumanize to the lowest denominator

Wg or not I like to maintain a level of decency

Offline punk

It's the nature of this activity I guess , people spout what they think is acceptable, personally I can't talk/type like this
I never want to get to the point where I dehumanize to the lowest denominator

Wg or not I like to maintain a level of decency

i think you can easy forget or become so cynical regarding prossies that you expect shit to happen, most slag them off,but when you think of some of the shit they put up with some of the time no wonder they become cynical,  the negativity feeds off both parties.

punter thinks all prossies are rip off liars. prossie, punters are deluded demanding nasty sado's who have to pay for sex.

Most prossies regarded it as a job, and treat it as such.

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It's the nature of this activity I guess , people spout what they think is acceptable, personally I can't talk/type like this
I never want to get to the point where I dehumanize to the lowest denominator

Wg or not I like to maintain a level of decency

It's cringeworthy is what it is, and only adds credence to the things some WGs say about people who post on UKP. Like you, I can't talk/type about people this way.

Offline Cuntminion

i think you can easy forget or become so cynical regarding prossies that you expect shit to happen, most slag them off,but when you think of some of the shit they put up with some of the time no wonder they become cynical, that the negativity feeds off both parties.

It's easy to be cynical I always try to treat people as individuals not group to an expected experience

Imo yes it's a lot of money that can be earned but it's a lot of work if the jobs done right

Just as I don't judge anyone by the work they do I'm not gonna start judging wg's

Offline purple_t

I'm still confused as to what the general thrust of OP's post is. Is this an article that Loaded magazine rejected?

Offline Cuntminion

I'm still confused as to what the general thrust of OP's post is. Is this an article that Loaded magazine rejected?

No I think it's a strong anti drugs message

Offline Marmalade

Marmalade another really good post.  Dare I say the "Dick" of our boards...

I am relieved at least one person gets it. The allusion to the work of the great science fiction writer of course is simply when do we treat a human being as an object and when are we quite happy to be treated as an object ourselves? Those with unevolved mentalities of course stay with their own poorly concealed attempts to be human. But I had hoped even the penis-butter brained among us would get the differentiation between senses and sensibility. Fortunately for the WGs, most of them, fluffies mostly, don't (though of course only the really good WGs will see the sense and agree with it. The rest will simply bleat).

Happy punting.

Offline Marmalade

A "piece of cunt"? Really?  :thumbsdown:

And are you? A piece of cock if it were a one night stand. A piece of cock with cash since you're paying a prossie.

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And are you? A piece of cock if it were a one night stand. A piece of cock with cash since you're paying a prossie.

Any way you look at it, "piece of cunt" is a terrible piece of writing. Just poor and cringeworthy on every level.

Those with unevolved mentalities of course stay with their own poorly concealed attempts to be human.

And calling someone a piece of cunt is "evolved" is it?  :lol: Hilarious

Offline Cuntminion

Seemingly the most forward thinkers and enlightened are those that break it down to one or two things

"Cock with cash"


I mean really it's a throwback not through the looking glass enlightenment

It's like me going greggs and saying cunt with sausage roll

Offline smiths

i think you can easy forget or become so cynical regarding prossies that you expect shit to happen, most slag them off,but when you think of some of the shit they put up with some of the time no wonder they become cynical,  the negativity feeds off both parties.

punter thinks all prossies are rip off liars. prossie, punters are deluded demanding nasty sado's who have to pay for sex.

Most prossies regarded it as a job, and treat it as such.

Indeed, I treat every WG as the individual they are NOT carrying over previous bad experiences with others, they get a clean slate from me, but if they fuck me about or a punter I find credible I may well castigate them on here. I have an absolute zero tolerance policy nowadays.

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It's the nature of this activity I guess , people spout what they think is acceptable, personally I can't talk/type like this
I never want to get to the point where I dehumanize to the lowest denominator

Wg or not I like to maintain a level of decency
Henry Miller used the same level of language, constantly referred to women as cunts, and he is\was a great writer. It's all just semantics. It's thinking like what you have posted why men are afraid to call fat women anything other than "curvy" even if they resemble a blob. The reason why men are afraid to open the door open for a woman in fear of being branded sexist. The reason why a man is embarrassed to sexualise a woman; a perfectly human desire. We are already in a society were calling a fuck, a fuck is deemed misogynistic. How can you make love if no love is involved?

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Henry Miller used the same level of language, constantly referred to women as cunts, and he is\was a great writer. It's all just semantics. It's thinking like what you have posted why men are afraid to call fat women anything other than "curvy" even if they resemble a blob. The reason why men are afraid to open the door open for a woman in fear of being branded sexist. The reason why a man is embarrassed to sexualise a woman; a perfectly human desire. We are already in a society were calling a fuck, a fuck is deemed misogynistic. How can you make love if no love is involved?


Not really if your fat your fat no two ways about it, opening the door for women? I will open it for men too it's polite equality

Calling a fuck a fuck is not misogynistic, deriving it to be the females sole serving purposes is

I'm personally not afraid to call it as I see it but that does not mean I have to undervalue someone to do so

Offline Marmalade

Some people have a problem with the word, 'cunt'?

Offline OakTree

Some people have a problem with the word, 'cunt'?

Of course some would, it's regarded as vulgar slang and arguably the most offensive word in the English language. Personally I like the word.

Offline CupidStunt

I am relieved at least one person gets it.... Those with unevolved mentalities of course stay with their own poorly concealed attempts to be human. But I had hoped even the penis-butter brained among us would get the differentiation between senses and sensibility.

Belittling ukp members because they don't get your geeky sci-fi cultural references or have a similar training in critical thinking, literary analysis or whatever seems a bit crappy.

I find the fap fap fap fan fiction reviews annoying (want memories? get a journal) but your personal perception on the transaction is just as skewed, just in a very different way, so no grounds to be superior (unevolved!?) is there?

Offline valdishere

Some people have a problem with the word, 'cunt'?

There would appear to be just as many 'cunts' responding to your fine post as we usually find on the Scotland board. Perhaps they need to understand Marmalade is often best taken at the morning breakfast and then they may have the full day to understand before putting up minionesque type posts!

Offline Marmalade

Of course some would, it's regarded as vulgar slang and arguably the most offensive word in the English language. Personally I like the word.

I like it too. If the daft associations are dispensed with, it becomes a proud word with a fine heritage. Women use it as well of course, especially PSE fans.

It comes down to asking what is (the much maligned) "objectification" of women and if it is in fact bad. I have been "used" as a sex object, as a cock, quite a few times, and thoroughly enjoyed it. It's not the same as calling someone a cunt in a derogatory way as it is to use the word cunt meaning vagina. 'Vagina' has an almost medical vibe. It doesn't mean the organ as an organ for fucking with, it means something that is examined, treated, a part of anatomy in a biology text. 'Pussy' is slightly romanticised but common in many languages. However that is a fictional use when applied to a prostitute.

e.g. A man meets a civvie, gets to know her, starts to enjoy her personality and hanging out with her, and eventually they get close and have sex. It would incorrect to say that for him, she is a piece of 'cunt' as he is interested in more than that.

e.g. a woman goes out on the hunt, bragging to her mates that she wants to get laid. She doesn't care too much who it is as long as he's not objectionable. She's basically looking for cock. And there are plenty of men willing to become an "object" while she gets laid with them.

e.g. A man books a prossie on Adultwork. What he is looking for is similar to the one-night-stander that wants to get laid. It is even formalised. He is not to get to know her, not to become attached to her personality. He might go on about  wanting a certain type of girl but, like the one-night stand woman (or man), it doesn't count if he doesn't get laid. He wants cunt, quite literally. Even a fetishist is interested in a simple sexualised encounter and only ever sees the professional facade, so 'cunt' is a very reasonable slang word,.

Henry Miller used the same level of language, constantly referred to women as cunts, and he is\was a great writer. It's all just semantics. It's thinking like what you have posted why men are afraid to call fat women anything other than "curvy" even if they resemble a blob. The reason why men are afraid to open the door open for a woman in fear of being branded sexist. The reason why a man is embarrassed to sexualise a woman; a perfectly human desire. We are already in a society were calling a fuck, a fuck is deemed misogynistic. How can you make love if no love is involved?

Absolutely, what a great man, a real man's man if I might say so. PC correctness never squashed his manly spirit. He could tell the difference between love and fucking. He was never short of women too: strong women! (Now a man might fuck his beloved partner in real life, but the sexual buzz is highly related  to his emotional involvement. To feel that, he sees her as more than 'cunt' and 'fucking' is an extreme  bit of dirty talk they might use. Emotional involvement with a fantasy, a personality that a prostitute creates, is a sort of 'pretend.'

But what is the importance of all this they might ask, and not surprisingly if they've read this far. Simply, Gentlemen, to distinguish between material fact and imagination. Judging things like money, vfm, security, gifts, being "respectful' (instead of polite), writing reviews, are the realm of the head. Fucking (under any name) is the realm of the senses, when one thinks with that inner urge that manifests in a throbbing erection. It's a primal urge, To fuck with intensity, not the fucking of the accountant. Any idea of love is logically totally irrelevant. We are talking about a lower class of society (unless we go back to ancient rites in India and Greece and probably Egypt). Sure, this person is a human being, but the punter has no knowledge of their real 'person.' Politeness an tact win the day. I think the word 'respect' is often substituted to give it some sort of unwarranted emphasis, but it is incorrect in my opinion and liable to lead to error.

There would appear to be just as many 'cunts' responding to your fine post as we usually find on the Scotland board. Perhaps they need to understand Marmalade is often best taken at the morning breakfast and then they may have the full day to understand before putting up minionesque type posts!

Thanks mate. Seems they complain if I use a big word and complain if I use a four-letter word. Of course some people will be offended but that really is their business, not mine. I occasionally like to write in a way for people who enjoy disentangling something -- that of course is very simple -- but a reality that is rejected by many.  It gets a bit samey when the predictable topics come up in the same way an the fluffies get no further forward from fantasy. So at least it gives them something to winge about and maybe think it over and  find a different, equally valid view.

p.s. there is no 'obligation' or even piss-take of the fluffie, at least in this in my posts on this thread. It is simply there for those that want it. I could get a little offended by their language occasionally too but I mind my own business.

There will be one or two who think I go to punt and say hello, cunt, which of course is silly. It reminds me of a man who, when a stranger admires his dog and asks his name, replies, 'It's a dog, it's name is dog, it's an "it." '

I'm no Ernest Hemingway (before someone moans about that and if you don't like the literary allusions, it works just the same without them) but there is a good reason for choosing words in a specific context and I can only take my hat off to such a great writer.


(By the way, the two punting examples I used were real, though for certain reasons I don't intend to review them just yet. All in good time!)

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Absolutely, what a great man, a real man's man if I might say so. PC correctness never squashed his manly spirit. He could tell the difference between love and fucking. He was never short of women too: strong women! (Now a man might fuck his beloved partner in real life, but the sexual buzz is highly related  to his emotional involvement. To feel that, he sees her as more than 'cunt' and 'fucking' is an extreme  bit of dirty talk they might use. Emotional involvement with a fantasy, a personality that a prostitute creates, is a sort of 'pretend.'
Also not a good looking man and poor for most of his early adult life. And a punter as well.

Back to the topic. I sometimes do RO, but it depends how much I fancy the woman, if I feel it is eating into my time or a non-starter I stop. During the sex part I tend to switch off, I think many prossies chat at the end to make what is a fairly abnormal situation seem like a regular social interaction. I was actually going to start a topic about the scripts they read from, usually a set order of how THEY want the punt to go, usually starts with a massage. If I hear the ten commandments I don't bother, I will probably ask for a refund.

Offline Marmalade

Also not a good looking man and poor for most of his early adult life. And a punter as well.

An American hero.

Back to the topic. I sometimes do RO, but it depends how much I fancy the woman, if I feel it is eating into my time or a non-starter I stop.

I've pondered this as well. RO and BJs seem to have different psychological momentums apart from the sexuality. I like both of course, yet my own repeated experiments suggest to me that if a woman gets on her knees to give me a BJ first then the protocol seems to be better established. A lot of people will think that is rubbish, but I rather suspect that we have all been conditioned, through thousands of years of familiarity with that position, to associate it with a servant-master relationship. I don't go in and say, "On your knees, bitch!" unless I know her well enough to know that will evince a smile and instant compliance; yet I do want to establish that she is there to please me, not the other way round. Once she shows that she accepts that, fine.

So if I want to RO her my first preference is at least let her suck my cock first. I'd rather RO her than have her lube herself (personal preference). Yet having said that, there's everything to be said for spontaneity, at least once the basics are out of the way. As you point out, the minute something starts eating into the punter's time, it's time to question it.

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During the sex part I tend to switch off, I think many prossies chat at the end to make what is a fairly abnormal situation seem like a regular social interaction. I was actually going to start a topic about the scripts they read from, usually a set order of how THEY want the punt to go, usually starts with a massage. If I hear the ten commandments I don't bother, I will probably ask for a refund.

I don't mind the chat at the end if it's on her time (at least if there's a chance I want to see her again, and/or she has been thoroughly polite / hard-working throughout the punt and I feel a little reciprocation is in order).

The ten commandments shit is like a parlour girl on 'automatic.' I simply interrupt and make my own firm suggestions. If I wanted a dom I'd find someone who was good at it!
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Seems to me like we're rehashing the perennial UKP debate about whether it's better to fluff (in the punting, not porn, sense) or not, albeit with references to American literary ubermenschen like Arthur Miller.  You forgot Norman Mailer by the way.  He too used to fuck quite a lot.  And box.  What a guy.

Like most things in life it ain't binary however.  Attitudes to the WGs we punt come in a variety of flavours, and they come down to our position (no sniggering at the back) while we're in the room for the hour we've paid for.  Your fluffy will seek a highly emotional connection with the woman he's sharing a bed with; your non-fluffy will be happy with a transaction that gives him access to a bunch of body parts.  I exaggerate for effect but we've all seen reviews and comments that show both these extremes.

Both positions also have risks.  Fluffiness leads to EAS - forgetting that hookering is transactional - but transacting for access leads, I would imagine, to the objectification of women both in the room and afterwards on the walk home.  I'm a total fluffball so I'm always on my guard about EAS; I'm sure the more self-aware non-fluffies are similarly on their guard about wholesale objectification.

We're all on the bell curve somewhere.  The trick is to be comfortable with where we sit, and to actively mitigate the risks that come with it.  We're never going to reconcile the debate - we're all far too entrenched for that - but thanks to Marmalade for a more considered and brain-engaged point of view. 

Not surprisingly, I can't fucking stand Arthur Miller :)

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Wonderful post, although I'm not sure non-fluffies are concerned about increasing objectification. It seems like a lot of them revel in it, either to confirm and re-assert the difference in status between customer and provider or as a defence mechanism against fluffiness/EAS.

Wherever you sit on the spectrum being against the use of offensive language should never be considered a sign of weakness.