Blue Pill - side effects

[20jay]

Some users tell me they get a stuffy nose, experience sinus congestion as a side effect. OK not an infection but still an effect.

Good point ,I have not taken care of the matter yet, but I've read that with the hot flashes, stuffy nose and thirst.

[winkywanky]

I got a sinus infection using this shit.

The question has to be asked KT, where did you put your nose during the punt? 

[AnthG]

I got a sinus infection using this shit.

Did you snort the stuff???

[winkywanky]

I’ve heard a few stories about possible problems that can crop up using Viagra/Sildenfal if you don’t need it to get an erection, anyone know if there’s anything in it?
Bit of an explanation - I use Viagra when punting as I find it helps me to last longer and recover quicker after orgasm.
I can get and maintain an erection without it but was cumming too quickly and the pill helps control that.
Can using ED drugs in this way be harmful to performance in the long term?
SB

First thing to say is, the side effects can occur whether its use is clinically indicated or not. But of course if you're using Viagra to treat what a doctor would consider to be a genuine erectile dysfunction condition, then the risks are somewhat justified. In other words the risk/benefit balance applies.

It sounds like you're using Viagra 'recreationally', in other words you don't really need it in medical terms, but it improves your personal sexual experience.

I think that's a grey area as far as your doctor would be concerned, and if Viagra were still only available via your GP and you were completely truthful and told him why you wanted it, he'd probably refuse to prescribe it for you. He'd probably say you didn't need it, and if you'd known him for years he might even say 'FFS your sex life is better than mine, get a grip'.

But we live in different times now, and you can get it in supermarkets and online, with only cursory checks made, and with someone who doesn't know your medical history relying on you to tell the truth when - pardon my directness - you're talking with the little brain in your dick, not the one in your head.

So it's a matter for you to decide what to do, you're a grown-up. Make yourself aware of all the risks, answer all the questions truthfully to yourself and if you're unsure of stuff like your blood pressure and heart rate and condition, you can find these out via a visit to your doctor. You don't even say how old you are. If you're under 40 and fit and healthy I'd be inclined to say this is all stuff that's ultimately under your control with experience and self-management.

Even if you took Viagra and it worked as you wanted, and you suffered no real side effects or particular risk, I think it's fair to say that like any other drug your body AND mind will become a little dependent on it. It becomes a kind of crutch, in other words if you stopped taking it you may find that the 'problem' you perceived yourself to have before will have worsened by some amount. And that's not even to say the drug is clinically addictive, it's not AFAIK. But pretty well all drugs will instil a certain amount of dependency.

[winkywanky]

Disclaimer: by the way I'm NOT a doctor, I'm just some old fucker off the internet  .

[king tarzan]

The question has to be asked KT, where did you put your nose during the punt? 

Nowhere !!

[shyboy1]

I use Viagra as a "insurance policy" after one punt where I struggled to get up for a second pop.
Stuffed up nose and slight headache are the worst symptoms I've had.

Same as me thanks. Worth putting up with a snotty snozz for that bit of insurance 

[shyboy1]

First thing to say is, the side effects can occur whether its use is clinically indicated or not. But of course if you're using Viagra to treat what a doctor would consider to be a genuine erectile dysfunction condition, then the risks are somewhat justified. In other words the risk/benefit balance applies.

It sounds like you're using Viagra 'recreationally', in other words you don't really need it in medical terms, but it improves your personal sexual experience.

I think that's a grey area as far as your doctor would be concerned, and if Viagra were still only available via your GP and you were completely truthful and told him why you wanted it, he'd probably refuse to prescribe it for you. He'd probably say you didn't need it, and if you'd known him for years he might even say 'FFS your sex life is better than mine, get a grip'.

But we live in different times now, and you can get it in supermarkets and online, with only cursory checks made, and with someone who doesn't know your medical history relying on you to tell the truth when - pardon my directness - you're talking with the little brain in your dick, not the one in your head.

So it's a matter for you to decide what to do, you're a grown-up. Make yourself aware of all the risks, answer all the questions truthfully to yourself and if you're unsure of stuff like your blood pressure and heart rate and condition, you can find these out via a visit to your doctor. You don't even say how old you are. If you're under 40 and fit and healthy I'd be inclined to say this is all stuff that's ultimately under your control with experience and self-management.

Even if you took Viagra and it worked as you wanted, and you suffered no real side effects or particular risk, I think it's fair to say that like any other drug your body AND mind will become a little dependent on it. It becomes a kind of crutch, in other words if you stopped taking it you may find that the 'problem' you perceived yourself to have before will have worsened by some amount. And that's not even to say the drug is clinically addictive, it's not AFAIK. But pretty well all drugs will instil a certain amount of dependency.

Thanks Winky. That all makes sense. Never really considered myself a recreational drug user but I suppose you’re right, that is what I’m doing.
The thing I was pondering when I did the OP was whether using the blue pill as infrequently as I do for a bit of insurance and a guaranteed seccond pop would cause dependency and your point about all drugs basically doing that in the end has given me something to think about 
SB

[king tarzan]

Did you snort the stuff???

Nope. 
I had to get amoxicillin via doctor..1 week course..

[tynetunnel]

With you being a doctor can you give me an idea of the consequences of someone taking this after buying it online, (presuming they are one of many who don't bother reading the small print) and have a quite serious heart condition.     

I have just checked and all you do is tick a few boxes, tell a few lies (like many have done to buy sildenafil) and you have it.

Caveat emptor DM

[Doc Holliday]

Your GP should be able to prescribe it

On the NHS?

[millbush]

On the NHS?

Will depend on your local NHS authority worth asking if you baulk at an online pharma price.

[Doc Holliday]

Will depend on your local NHS authority worth asking if you baulk at an online pharma price.

I am a doctor though so can prescribe drugs.

I think not 

[20jay]

I think not 

I honestly do not understand the hassle, I informed me at Boots without obligation last year, I had a pretty stressful time and it did not always work as usual, that's why. But it got better, so I had later no reason.

The pharmacist said that I had to fill out a form and answer a few health questions, then I could buy Viagra, he told me about the side effects, and after 6 months one had to go to the GP to continue buying.

The only medicines I ever took are mint oil, I do not have a medicine cabinet, and very rarely take aspirin, so I'm very carefully with medication.

Therefore if you want Viagra or similar stuff, visit the pharmacist or GP and get advise ..simple 

[millbush]

I honestly do not understand the hassle, I informed me at Boots without obligation last year, I had a pretty stressful time and it did not always work as usual, that's why. But it got better, so I had later no reason.

The pharmacist said that I had to fill out a form and answer a few health questions, then I could buy Viagra, he told me about the side effects, and after 6 months one had to go to the GP to continue buying.

The only medicines I ever took are mint oil, I do not have a medicine cabinet, and very rarely take aspirin, so I'm very carefully with medication.

Therefore if you want Viagra or similar stuff, visit the pharmacist or GP and get advise ..simple 

Sound advice although apparently some doctors can't prescribe drugs 

[20jay]

Sound advice although apparently some doctors can't prescribe drugs 

....without the need for a prescription at Boots, but as said ...---...

[Doc Holliday]

Sound advice although apparently some doctors can't prescribe drugs 

Nice try ... but you know exactly what I meant 

[daviemac]

Sound advice although apparently some doctors can't prescribe drugs 

Fully qualified doctors can certainly prescribe medication. Some chancer on an internet forum claiming to be one, while going against every medical ethic in the book, certainly can't.

 

[millbush]

Nice try ... but you know exactly what I meant 
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I've no idea what you meant anyway enjoy your trolling,I'm just trying to help.

[millbush]

Fully qualified doctors can certainly prescribe medication. Some chancer on an internet forum claiming to be one, while going against every medical ethic in the book, certainly can't.

Ethics?Prescripition which is what i've advised is ethical only trying to help you clearly are more qualified than me.

[GingerNuts]

Ethics?Prescripition which is what i've advised is ethical only trying to help you clearly are more qualified than me.

That's certainly not how you started out in this thread.

If you cum too quickly take Priligy,worth every penny.

You still havent answered my question about Priligy.

Have you been prescribed it?

[millbush]

That's certainly not how you started out in this thread.

You still havent answered my question about Priligy.

I'll try and answer your trolling as best I can,Priligy is prescribed for PE and prescriptions are generally not free hence you may have to pay in which case it will be worth every penny.
And no I haven't been prescribed it rather it's efficacy is rather well documented.

[Doc Holliday]

.. Some chancer on an internet forum claiming to be one,

.... and failing badly ... which was my point 

[daviemac]

Ethics?Prescripition which is what i've advised is ethical only trying to help you clearly are more qualified than me.

I'll try and explain in a way you can understand. Hypothetical situation.

You posted on here "If you cum too quickly take Priligy,worth every penny." now I have never heard of that, however you further state you are a doctor, so now I think 'well he's a doctor, he must know'.  So I look online and find a site to buy it from, now we all know little white lies are necessary at times so I skip read the questions giving the answers they want to hear, but totally ignore the smaller print. Send off and I've now got it, as recommended by a doctor, what can possibly go wrong.

What the suppliers don't know is I've got a heart condition, having had stents and a pacemaker fitted and am required to take the 4 different heart meds now doubt you will be familiar with.

Now I asked you what the consequences of that could be, a question you've chosen to ignore. BTW before you say anything there's loads of people in this world that would do just that.

The obvious sensible post would have been "If you suffer ED look into Priligy, it's effective but not suitable for everyone". I don't believe for one minute that any qualified medical professional would post an instruction to take a drug online, for that reason I believe you to be 100% fake.

BTW there's only one troll on this thread.

 

[Clitheroelad]

Side effects for me include headache, blocked nose, facial flushing, and generaly feeling shit for a few hows afterwards. I used to order Kamagra off the net before I got a new GP and discussed my ED. This was when it was prescription only. Fuck knows what I was taking. My GP now prescribes Tadalafil for me which works but with different side effects.

[Doc Holliday]

The obvious sensible post would have been "If you suffer ED look into Priligy, it's effective but not suitable for everyone". I don't believe for one minute that any qualified medical professional would post an instruction to take a drug online, for that reason I believe you to be 100% fake.

Yes that is more akin to something a medic may post, but then none of his posts sound like anything a doctor posting.

No medic would give a blanket suggestion of using Dapoxetine (Priligy) because of its very specific and limited use. They would certainly not use the term 'money well spent' .. not least because it isn’t.

Although Dapoxetine is licensed for use in the UK, the reason it is not readily available on the NHS is that the evidence of its efficacy is not overly strong and the cost/benefit analysis does not justify public funding. Consequently the majority of NHS CCGs (Clinical Commissioning Groups), do not approve funding under the NHS. A minority approve it in Secondary Care (ie referral to consultant) but very few, if any, approve funding for use in Primary Care (ie GP) as originally suggested by him and before he backtracked following my 'fishing' post.

[winkywanky]

Yes that is more akin to something a medic may post, but then none of his posts sound like anything a doctor posting.

I'm thinking hospital porter, or perhaps a 1st yr Nigerian Medical Student?

[Gerry1976]

With Viagra I have had flushes of blood to the face.

With Superdrug Sildenafil, it is has caused to me to go ages without popping. Like 40 minutes. The lady I am seeing regularly just now thinks I have great stamina.....

[winkywanky]

It's exactly the same drug, one is a generic, one is trademarked.

I guess if the method of delivery is different (tablet, jelly, whatever) there might be slight variations in experience, but tablets will be identical with the only potential difference being dosage of the active ingredient of Sildenafil.

[daviemac]

Yes that is more akin to something a medic may post, but then none of his posts sound like anything a doctor posting.

No medic would give a blanket suggestion of using Dapoxetine (Priligy) because of its very specific and limited use. They would certainly not use the term 'money well spent' .. not least because it isn’t.

Although Dapoxetine is licensed for use in the UK, the reason it is not readily available on the NHS is that the evidence of its efficacy is not overly strong and the cost/benefit analysis does not justify public funding. Consequently the majority of NHS CCGs (Clinical Commissioning Groups), do not approve funding under the NHS. A minority approve it in Secondary Care (ie referral to consultant) but very few, if any, approve funding for use in Primary Care (ie GP) as originally suggested by him and before he backtracked following my 'fishing' post.

I don't know what he is but it isn't a doctor, he hasn't got a clue.

[jeanphillipe]

to answer OPs original question,

i had a weird month last year where i keep it up so tried viagra it didnt work for me .

but i did get a horrible side effect in the form of red hot ears.....annoying but not life threathing.

turn out my issue was something else..

[Moresomes]

Ethics?Prescripition which is what i've advised is ethical only trying to help you clearly are more qualified than me.

I've got a hamster, which I suspect is clearly more qualified than you.

[shyboy1]

to answer OPs original question,

i had a weird month last year where i keep it up so tried viagra it didnt work for me .

but i did get a horrible side effect in the form of red hot ears.....annoying but not life threathing.

turn out my issue was something else..

Ha ha, yes there was an original question that was nothing to do with all the stuff about prescriptions and diagnosing ed 
I suppose they’re valid points but probably should have been in their own thread as they sort of buried the op.
Thanks for sharing your experience, hope you’ve sorted the problems out now.
SB

[scutty brown]

I’ve heard a few stories about possible problems that can crop up using Viagra/Sildenfal if you don’t need it to get an erection, anyone know if there’s anything in it?
Bit of an explanation - I use Viagra when punting as I find it helps me to last longer and recover quicker after orgasm.
I can get and maintain an erection without it but was cumming too quickly and the pill helps control that.
Can using ED drugs in this way be harmful to performance in the long term?
SB

Something fundamental you need to understand.
Virtually all clinical studies on Sildenafil will have been done to establish efficacy in cases of erectile disfunction, while a few early studies will simply have been checks to ensure it doesn't kill at the anticipated dosage.
There won't have been any studies done for use as a recreational drug: thats not the kind of unethical research the pharma companies carry out.
Drugs are sold to cure or alleviate disease, not to enhance personal performance. If you went to a GP asking to be given erythropoeitin so you could run faster you'd get short shrift. Likewise asking for sildenafil for performance enhancement will get you a serious bollocking from the doc.
But back to my point: no clinical trials on recreational use means no studies of side effects in healthy people following long term use.
Anyone trying to tell you what the long term effects are is just guessing

[inspetorbarros]

I've already taken all sorts of pils. Got side effects with all of them, except Cialis.

[shyboy1]

Something fundamental you need to understand.
Virtually all clinical studies on Sildenafil will have been done to establish efficacy in cases of erectile disfunction, while a few early studies will simply have been checks to ensure it doesn't kill at the anticipated dosage.
There won't have been any studies done for use as a recreational drug: thats not the kind of unethical research the pharma companies carry out.
Drugs are sold to cure or alleviate disease, not to enhance personal performance. If you went to a GP asking to be given erythropoeitin so you could run faster you'd get short shrift. Likewise asking for sildenafil for performance enhancement will get you a serious bollocking from the doc.
But back to my point: no clinical trials on recreational use means no studies of side effects in healthy people following long term use.
Anyone trying to tell you what the long term effects are is just guessing

That’s a good point and it’s the reason I’ve not already asked the original question of my doctor as he would not have any research to help him answer. It’s also why I thought it worth asking on here as it’s something other punters might have been doing for some time now so they might have something useful to share.
I’m not really healthy by the way, I was originally prescribed viagra after a stroke made me unable to perform without it. Thankfully I can now get fairly hard without it, enough to get by but using the pill does improve my ability to perform. I think the only way to go is to keep usage down to a minimum and be alert to any problems that might crop up.

[scutty brown]

If you've had a stroke I'd be inclined to think Tadalafil would be a better drug for you than Sildenafil - it requires a much lower dose for the same effect and so creates far fewer physical side effects. And probably fewer long term effects. There are even studies which suggest it may be beneficial in reducing the risk of stroke if taken in  regular low dose.
However, I am not a doctor. You really should take professional advice from your GP.

[Doc Holliday]

I’ve heard a few stories about possible problems that can crop up using Viagra/Sildenfal if you don’t need it to get an erection, anyone know if there’s anything in it?
Bit of an explanation - I use Viagra when punting as I find it helps me to last longer and recover quicker after orgasm.
I can get and maintain an erection without it but was cumming too quickly and the pill helps control that.
Can using ED drugs in this way be harmful to performance in the long term?
SB

I’m not really healthy by the way, I was originally prescribed viagra after a stroke made me unable to perform without it. Thankfully I can now get fairly hard without it, enough to get by but using the pill does improve my ability to perform. I think the only way to go is to keep usage down to a minimum and be alert to any problems that might crop up.

The discrepancy between the OP and the reality given in your second post is vast. You implied you were a recreational user but you are not, as you have suffered true ED and been prescribed accordingly. To compound this you also have a very relevant medical history.

This thread is now another example of why I believe these threads should be stopped.

[maxxblue]

However, I am not a doctor.

We never suspected that you were a doctor.

[Horizontal pleasures]

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NICE aka National Institute for Clinical Excellence is a good source for this sort of information at an impersonal general level

[20jay]

This thread is now another example of why I believe these threads should be stopped.

I agree, we can only exchange experiences in general, at this point we are over, I think , everything else is a matter for the doctor.

[spiralnotebook]

I used to get 100mg kamagra on line in tablets then soft tabs and liquid sachets. The tablets usually affected my vision producing a weird strobe like blue halo effect (     ) to anything that moved and/or an acidic stomach. The soft tabs and sachets did not have the same effect and worked after around 15 mins. Prescription 100mg generic viagra tabs had the same effect. I had cialis on prescription but it did nothing for me. My quack said it would be ok to double up generic viagra tabs to 200mg which worked but could leave me a little tired after spunking everywhere.

[scutty brown]

I used to get 100mg kamagra on line in tablets then soft tabs and liquid sachets. The tablets usually affected my vision producing a weird strobe like blue halo effect (     ) to anything that moved and/or an acidic stomach. The soft tabs and sachets did not have the same effect and worked after around 15 mins. Prescription 100mg generic viagra tabs had the same effect. I had cialis on prescription but it did nothing for me. My quack said it would be ok to double up generic viagra tabs to 200mg which worked but could leave me a little tired after spunking everywhere.

I'm very surprised at the GP suggesting a 200mg dose of sildenafil, especially when you got the blue halo effect at 100mg.

When you do get the blue halo, don't drive.

[spiralnotebook]

The desperation to get a hard dick can be a great incentive to ignore common sense. I had read about a couple of people on line who`s doctors had advised it was ok to do a double dose also 200mg were for sale on a few sites. I still have a few (as well as boxes of Cialis and Sildanafil which had no effect on me) but as my condition was medical I don`t need to use them any more. No problem with a stiffy but I find it hard ( ) to come now which has led to a few SP impatient moments.

[JonasG]

Valdenafil (sp) is the best pill tbh.

Practically zero side effects even when taken when I've had booze and it always works.

Defo recommended.

[GingerNuts]

Valdenafil (sp) is the best pill tbh.

Practically zero side effects even when taken when I've had booze and it always works.

Defo recommended.

Is that your expert medical opinion?

[S.X. MacHine]

Only slightly off topic, but in the spirit of academic research and for no other reason, I took 20 mg of Tadalafil (Cialis) at 10 am today prior to a languid lunch with a young WG. Octopus washed down with a couple of glasses of excellent Sauvignon Blanc, all gooseberry and citrus overlaid with hints of nettles...but I digress.
At 2 pm we engaged in congress with no delay in ejaculation.
At 6 pm, as I write, I discern no obvious side effects to my physiology; no headache, no blurred vision and no dyspepsia. My wallet, on the other hand, has suffered severe depletion.
Not a large enough sample to warrant any sort of conclusion, but I am satisfied that for me, Cialis does not incur short term side effects.
Over to you, Doc H.

[winkywanky]

I took 20 mg of Tadalafil (Cialis) at 10 am today prior to a languid lunch with a young WG. Octopus washed down with a couple of glasses of excellent Sauvignon Blanc, all gooseberry and citrus overlaid with hints of nettles

Well I bet your hands were all over her 

[S.X. MacHine]

Well I bet your hands were all over her 

She had me by the tentacles... 

[scutty brown]

She had me by the tentacles... 

So she was Japanese???