What is making the Russian girls demand such high premiums ?

[FidoDido69]

Having not been part of for too long but always kept an eye on what’s out there.

What always gets me is the disparity in prices ! Granted they will charge what they feel their worth is and what someone is willing to pay. I have never paid in the £100’s per hour so sadly have no experience to comment with any authority as to why someone would pay that much or why one would charge so high.

As an observer I see the majority of Russian girls charge silly money for a bit of fun in the sack’ but I have found my self thinking more than I’d like to admit, why are the Russians asking for so much?  Do they know tricks their European or Brazilian counterparts don’t know ? I don’t get it …

Any facts or theories as to why so high asking rates ??

[gamebred]

Russians are expensive. The "vicky russian dolly" offers covered bj at 40 and sex at 100 on top of the usual massage fee. I did select the bj but it wasn't worth it.

[scutty brown]

1) Supply and demand. Getting out of Russia into Europe is a bit hard at the moment so there's fewer of them to go around, so the price goes up.
2) They need to maximise revenue to bolster Putin's western currency reserves, used for buying smuggled components for military use.

[Cheshuk]

I've noticed majority of hot Russian girls in their 20s tend to list on agencies, but their rates are in line with other nationalities on those agencies.

Where have you seen Russian girls with rates not in line with other nationalities on the same sites?

[jamiekinkxxx]

I've noticed majority of hot Russian girls in their 20s tend to list on agencies, but their rates are in line with other nationalities on those agencies.

Where have you seen Russian girls with rates not in line with other nationalities on the same sites?

+1

[jesse4585]

Interesting question.
Like the man said, it's mainly Supply & Demand.   Here's some reasons why punters might prefer Russians over the more plentiful Brazilians:
* They're ethnically the closer match to the white native British lasses many would like to fuck if stunners were available at decent prices.
* Due to cultural differences, slightly more reliably submissive. (Not actually an advantage to a great many punteers, but I guess it is to a slim majority)
* Due to other cultural differences, tend to be more authentic / less fake  (though at the price of seeming colder /  less smiley.)

There's a short book on Amazon about said cultural differences if you're interested - "Why don't Russians smile"  .  Possibly from the WG's perspective, said tendency to authenticness makes being a WG more psychologically challenging, & hence tendency to charge more.

Interesting thing with the Russian Premium - it was there long before Putin launched his attack.  ( Example historical  thread mentioning it https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=328604.msg3419536#msg3419536 ) If anything, since early 2022 pussy inflation has seemed more of thing for Brazilians -  I'd agree with Cheshuk &  Jamie that prices for same quality of lass are now mostly in line regardless of nationality (Though I only pay attention to Diva, and I agree with yourself that Russians may still be a bit more pricey.) In basic theory Putin's adventure should have reduced supply for Russians, encouraging them to push up prices the most - but maybe that effect was overwhelmed by more plentiful Ukrainians , or there could be other reasons.

[scutty brown]

Of course it's also all confused by the philosophical problem of "who's Russian?"
Russian speakers from Ukraine, the Baltics, Transnistria/Moldova, Georgia would all regard themselves as Russian even if they carried other passports

[FidoDido69]

1) Supply and demand. Getting out of Russia into Europe is a bit hard at the moment so there's fewer of them to go around, so the price goes up.
2) They need to maximise revenue to bolster Putin's western currency reserves, used for buying smuggled components for military use.

The first point only holds true if there is existing demand! Supply isn’t driving demand rather demand is what’s defining the supply and if the supply is adequate or not.

So there has to be demand already existing ! Why is what I don’t get .. and I’m not about to
Fork out £500 for 10 mins ! ( At a stretch)

[jesse4585]

Supply isn’t driving demand rather demand is what’s defining the supply and if the supply is adequate or not.

That would be the common sense view, but a great many economists believe in Say's law ,  which is complex but can boil down to "Supply creates its own demand".
That said, punter economist Adam Smith is more famous than Say,  and he believed the same as yourself.

Getting back on topic, Russian's tend to give a slightly different punting experience as per my post above,  but much more important for great sex is being lucky to find a gem who you click with, which can happen with any nationality.

[Cheshuk]

So there has to be demand already existing ! Why is what I don’t get .. and I’m not about to
Fork out £500 for 10 mins ! ( At a stretch)

Cheapest Russian on Diva 200ph
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Cheapest Brazilian on Diva 200ph
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Most expensive (public) London agency girls 1500ph Eng/Ukranian/Ukranian respectively
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2nd place 1250ph (Brit/indian)
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Possibly missed some as theres a lot of girls.

Again where have you seen Russian girls with rates out of line with other nationalities on the same sites?

OP seeming you want to ignore questions/observations counter to the your narrative, which enables to to price whinge.

Happy to be proven wrong 

[LLPunting]

Aside from no Russians can fly direct to UK presently.

Above 150ph you will find most nationalities at ever increasing  price points, though likely at increasing rarity.  That doesn't dispel the perception/observed prevalence that Russian girls like to charge a premium in the last 20 yrs.  Quoting what an agency dictates is not the same, agencies have their own reputation to manage, selling over-priced starfish or unskilled/unenthusiastic SPs to their higher paying clients would not go down well (fnah).  Rich Russians wanting Russian-speaking SPs, perhaps preferably racially specific, will skew the market offer price for a girl who qualifies e.g. white, fit, busty, exclusive, BB-friendly, free to travel...

Better to ask what kind of girls the various categories of higher spender are clamouring for e.g. the Arab expats, the City Europeans, the tech bros, the wealthy Africans, the high net worth retirees.  Perhaps other UKPers who regularly drop 300+ on an hour's fun can speak to the markets they've been plundering?

Everyday Russian punters, much like the rest of us on a budget, may only have the "common" market to dip into.  Maybe one of them here might be able to speak of other listings e.g. native language classifieds.

There will always be exceptions and granted my dipping of Russians is a generation out of date but I don't recall them being the warmest, sexiest or most skilled or willing.  Russian-speaking Lats, Estonians, Ukrainians, etc pretty much all on average were better company and better SPs.

AW search for:
Russian, London, <55, active in last month, <=700ph returns 17 SPs! Only 1 with a substantial rep here, most with fit figures if pics real.
So looks like the "Natashas" are working almost exclusively out of "agencies" and perhaps not even those that are well known to even our vocal high spenders.  Much like top notch Chinese and Japanese are behind an exclusivity curtain.

Same AW search for London <=700ph:
Thais - 72 girls (71 <-200ph)
Ukrainians - 32!  Only handful matching figure and looks of the better Russians above. (28<=200ph)
Estonians - 5
Latvians - 4
Peruvians - 8 - Oof! Alessia lena looks HOT and only 180ph.
Brazilians - 596!!!!  (543 <=200ph)
Chinese - 31
Spanish - 21
Romanian - 261 (247 <=200ph)
British - 1031 (674 <=200ph)
Polish - 140 (124 <=200ph)

[FidoDido69]

Cheapest Russian on Diva 200ph
External Link/Members Only

Cheapest Brazilian on Diva 200ph
External Link/Members Only]=Brazilian&filter-city[]=London&sort-price=asc

Most expensive (public) London agency girls 1500ph Eng/Ukranian/Ukranian respectively
External Link/Members Only
External Link/Members Only
External Link/Members Only

2nd place 1250ph (Brit/indian)
External Link/Members Only

Possibly missed some as theres a lot of girls.

Again where have you seen Russian girls with rates out of line with other nationalities on the same sites?

OP seeming you want to ignore questions/observations counter to the your narrative, which enables to to price whinge.

Happy to be proven wrong 

I get where you are coming from and I guess casting a wider net may give you a more representations narrative as you of call it …

Mine was mere an observation and seld Look at the top end of the market as I’m spending that sort .. it do
Come across
Listings where it is costly ..and as You suggested a more
Varies
Set of girls freeman

Of k

[scutty brown]

I get where you are coming from and I guess casting a wider net may give you a more representations narrative as you of call it …

Mine was mere an observation and seld Look at the top end of the market as I’m spending that sort .. it do
Come across
Listings where it is costly ..and as You suggested a more
Varies
Set of girls freeman

Of k

Were you pissed when you wrote that?

[southcoastpunter]

Like so many threads that involves “prices “ the whole thread is a bit strange imo!

Yes there are differences in prices ! So what? Often there is no sensible or obvious reason for it - girls, agencies etc change what they like - some guys pay it p, some don’t!

Simple really! And those guy that say it’s a simple case of supply and demand are wrong! As history over the last 25 years or so has shown us,  many girls do not lower their prices in economic good time or bad times!  But let’s not have another full blow discussion on prices or supply and demand theory!!

[petermisc]

As Jesse4545 said, the Russian premium has been there a long time.  For those of us of a certain age, it was probably in part because of the way many films (the Bond films being the obvious example) portrayed Russian girls and a "Russian" accent as being particularly sexy.  Similar to the way Swedish girls used to be portrayed as being the height of sexiness in old porn films.

Combined with the relative rarity of Russian girls (even before current restrictions) and the laws of supply and demand inevitably led to a higher price.  Who wouldn't pay extra to sleep with a "Bond girl"?

[Cheshuk]

I get where you are coming from and I guess casting a wider net may give you a more representations narrative as you of call it …

Mine was mere an observation and seld Look at the top end of the market as I’m spending that sort .. it do
Come across
Listings where it is costly ..and as You suggested a more
Varies
Set of girls freeman

Of k

With due respect, hard to understand clearly what you're saying. Sounds like your saying, looking at the top end of the market this holds true.

Quite possibly these observations of yours are more historic as looking at prices on these agencies, Russians are aligned with other nationalities.

[Alexmck]

Aside from no Russians can fly direct to UK presently.

Above 150ph you will find most nationalities at ever increasing  price points, though likely at increasing rarity.  That doesn't dispel the perception/observed prevalence that Russian girls like to charge a premium in the last 20 yrs.  Quoting what an agency dictates is not the same, agencies have their own reputation to manage, selling over-priced starfish or unskilled/unenthusiastic SPs to their higher paying clients would not go down well (fnah).  Rich Russians wanting Russian-speaking SPs, perhaps preferably racially specific, will skew the market offer price for a girl who qualifies e.g. white, fit, busty, exclusive, BB-friendly, free to travel...

Better to ask what kind of girls the various categories of higher spender are clamouring for e.g. the Arab expats, the City Europeans, the tech bros, the wealthy Africans, the high net worth retirees.  Perhaps other UKPers who regularly drop 300+ on an hour's fun can speak to the markets they've been plundering?

Everyday Russian punters, much like the rest of us on a budget, may only have the "common" market to dip into.  Maybe one of them here might be able to speak of other listings e.g. native language classifieds.

There will always be exceptions and granted my dipping of Russians is a generation out of date but I don't recall them being the warmest, sexiest or most skilled or willing.  Russian-speaking Lats, Estonians, Ukrainians, etc pretty much all on average were better company and better SPs.

AW search for:
Russian, London, <55, active in last month, <=700ph returns 17 SPs! Only 1 with a substantial rep here, most with fit figures if pics real.
So looks like the "Natashas" are working almost exclusively out of "agencies" and perhaps not even those that are well known to even our vocal high spenders.  Much like top notch Chinese and Japanese are behind an exclusivity curtain.

Same AW search for London <=700ph:
Thais - 72 girls (71 <-200ph)
Ukrainians - 32!  Only handful matching figure and looks of the better Russians above. (28<=200ph)
Estonians - 5
Latvians - 4
Peruvians - 8 - Oof! Alessia lena looks HOT and only 180ph.
Brazilians - 596!!!!  (543 <=200ph)
Chinese - 31
Spanish - 21
Romanian - 261 (247 <=200ph)
British - 1031 (674 <=200ph)
Polish - 140 (124 <=200ph)

Agree with all of this. Although Russians not being the most friendly - yes but if/once you break through the ice, can be good

Might start sounding like an old record but hats off to gathering the stats etc. Same bracket as those who find common pictures across profiles etc. Don't know what dark arts or alchemy you practice but amazing and gold for peeps like me. Would like to learn one day! 

[LLPunting]

Agree with all of this. Although Russians not being the most friendly - yes but if/once you break through the ice, can be good

Might start sounding like an old record but hats off to gathering the stats etc. Same bracket as those who find common pictures across profiles etc. Don't know what dark arts or alchemy you practice but amazing and gold for peeps like me. Would like to learn one day! 

No dark arts, run a search in AW with whatever criteria switches set, save and then change nationality (and other params like upper hourly rate) and re-run. Rinse repeat.

[scutty brown]

............So looks like the "Natashas" are working almost exclusively out of "agencies" and perhaps not even those that are well known to even our vocal high spenders..................

That's a well known phenomenon that's been true for years.
It's probably more accurate to say that the Natashas are nearly all owned/controlled by the Russian/Albanian gangs who rent them out by the day to the agencies. The girls get delivered/collected at the start/finish of each day, the money from the agency goes to the gang. It's not just agencies either - a lot of brothel-based Russians are controlled in the same way, from the hidden top-end girls, to the low-end hidden unlicenced "clubs" in places like Liverpool with punters supplied by taxi drivers who get a backhander for each punter

[LLPunting]

That's a well known phenomenon that's been true for years.
It's probably more accurate to say that the Natashas are nearly all owned/controlled by the Russian/Albanian gangs who rent them out by the day to the agencies. The girls get delivered/collected at the start/finish of each day, the money from the agency goes to the gang. It's not just agencies either - a lot of brothel-based Russians are controlled in the same way, from the hidden top-end girls, to the low-end hidden unlicenced "clubs" in places like Liverpool with punters supplied by taxi drivers who get a backhander for each punter

Christ!  Just how long have you been working Vice or OC?   :drinks
Have you physically disabled your computer cam and mic?  Or do you only add to UKP from an off-prem device with no AV inputs?

[scutty brown]

Christ!  Just how long have you been working Vice or OC?   :drinks

No, that's not me

Have you physically disabled your computer cam and mic?  Or do you only add to UKP from an off-prem device with no AV inputs?

Yes

[Colston36]

Of course it's also all confused by the philosophical problem of "who's Russian?"
Russian speakers from Ukraine, the Baltics, Transnistria/Moldova, Georgia would all regard themselves as Russian even if they carried other passports

The current war is caused by the fact that Ukrainians don't consider themselves Russian. This is hardly surprising as Stalin caused a famine killing over 2 million deaths in the 1930s. For those of us interested in these matters, I never saw as many beautiful women as I did when working in Kyiv. Sadly I was with my girlfriend.

[petermisc]

The current war is caused by the fact that Ukrainians don't consider themselves Russian. This is hardly surprising as Stalin caused a famine killing over 2 million deaths in the 1930s. For those of us interested in these matters, I never saw as many beautiful women as I did when working in Kyiv. Sadly I was with my girlfriend.

I found the same in the Baltic states.  I think partly because Eastern European women still have a tradition of dressing to make the most of themselves.  You could tell the tourists a mile off, they were the ones in the sweat pants, ill fitting jeans, etc.  Sadly, as they westernise, so they adopt western standards of dress.  I saw this happen over many decades of visits to Prague.

The Russians don't consider the Ukrainians to be Russians either.  Like the Baltic states, whose populations also came second among equals.

[FidoDido69]

Interesting how so much economics and politics are involved in this little world !!! I feel I should take a punt and experience it for myself ! But that said I need to find someone with a bit of personality and engaging! I don’t want one who says nothing and is very serious of sorts

Are there any recommendations ? Someone who is gonna take the lead to an extent and be fun to talk to ..
Makes the whole experience better for me.

Not silly money but I would pay within reason .. any thoughts or recommendations for a proper Russian ( not a former soviet state)

[Colston36]

Interesting how so much economics and politics are involved in this little world !!! I feel I should take a punt and experience it for myself ! But that said I need to find someone with a bit of personality and engaging! I don’t want one who says nothing and is very serious of sorts

Are there any recommendations ? Someone who is gonna take the lead to an extent and be fun to talk to ..
Makes the whole experience better for me.

Not silly money but I would pay within reason .. any thoughts or recommendations for a proper Russian ( not a former soviet state)

I cannot offhand think of any significant arena - soccer for example - where politics and economics are not involved.

[pantywetter]

I spent 15 years punting all kinds of styles, nationalities, shapes and sizes and had all kinds of ups and downs and heartbreaks.

In the last maybe 6 years I almost exclusively punt Russians and Ukranians at Diva. 

8 times out of 10 I have a good time.  They are always fit, clean, no BS.  With a bit of research and ample return visits I get what I’m looking for even though I’m averaging £300-£350 per hour.

The extra is worth it to me considering I only have a few windows to punt per week.

[John Deep]

Having not been part of for too long but always kept an eye on what’s out there.

What always gets me is the disparity in prices ! Granted they will charge what they feel their worth is and what someone is willing to pay. I have never paid in the £100’s per hour so sadly have no experience to comment with any authority as to why someone would pay that much or why one would charge so high.

As an observer I see the majority of Russian girls charge silly money for a bit of fun in the sack’ but I have found my self thinking more than I’d like to admit, why are the Russians asking for so much?  Do they know tricks their European or Brazilian counterparts don’t know ? I don’t get it …

Any facts or theories as to why so high asking rates ??

Thats a very good question. Was a year ago in Hungarian in small agency and it was many russian girls there and agency charged 100 euro per hour. Maybe in UK they think they are so unique or Brits will pay cause they dont know Europe realities? (Visit in this agency was one of my wortest experiences btw, service soooo poor)

[FidoDido69]

Well, I’m going to take a break for A month and save a bit of cash for a Russian punt . I think the time
Will be invested in doing some research and relying on my fellow UKP members to guide me in finding that little nugget Of gold. 

I don’t punt a huge deal and it tends to be varied between massage, rarely FS, but predominantly strip clubs (I know sad - but I like the social aspect and I’ve got a good connection with some) and recently dipping my toes into the world of BDSM.. (perhaps a write up bit need the right angle) .. so this will be a new experience and perhaps I’m putting too much pressure on the Russian thing and will be a flop!

So, any suggestions welcome .. 🙏

Za pokoreniye novykh vpechatleniy i bor'bu s Soviet Union!!

[Private Parts]

Some of our membership including YT were spoilt around 8/10 years ago when the first wave of Russian lovelies hit these shores.
The were a tad over the going rate BUT you got serious value for money!
The current crop are living off the backs of the likes of Mel and Vanessa.
If you research there are some ex Russian groupies who have gone Indy.
Those are the keepers. But time is not kind to them.

The current crop would do well to look at what made their predecessors so successful.
VFM
I do not think I’m alone in my thoughts 

[Punting2022]

Everyone is demanding high premiums now.
Not a single stunning model girl for less then 250. Before covid and tbis so called invasion, russians who were hot could be had for 250

[golden bull]

…… could be had for £200

20 years ago there was stunners for £150 and was more Baltic states, Latvians/ Estonians .
Those were the days.

[Cheshuk]

Are there any recommendations ? Someone who is gonna take the lead to an extent and be fun to talk to ..

I'd take a look at karma on Diva, she's got plenty of reviews. Since it's agency they're not indexed, she's a lovely person, a stunner and her rate is lower than many Russian girls less attractive than her imo.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=367094.0

[Alexmck]

…… could be had for £200

20 years ago there was stunners for £150 and was more Baltic states, Latvians/ Estonians .
Those were the days.

Totally agree

[Malvolio]

…… could be had for £200

20 years ago there was stunners for £150 and was more Baltic states, Latvians/ Estonians .
Those were the days.

Strangely, prices have gone up in the last 20 years.