Do WG's read UKP -& - The things WG's say to punters. (Identity of UKP' ers)

[funfungoodguy]

Apologies if this repeats any previous threads.

We have discussed before if WG's read UKP. Of course the reasonably savvy better organised ones do.

So we take care to use unique identity info in here - obviously. (WG's too consider it incompletely normal that this entire field of play is conducted with pseudonyms/ anonymity and so on. 'Identity' therefore means linking a UKP member to a punter they know, whilst neither will know the real name of that person, or if they do they keep it quiet. It is considered usual to have a contrived name, work/ occupation/ hometown, - and so do many sex workers.

So my line of thinking is this;
Have you ever wondered if the things she says to you are deliberately varied according to who they are talking to so if i say in here that WG 'Mabel' told me she has been to Wales with a client, or has children called Florence and Marmaduke, then she would know which of her punters I am as they are lines she threw me only. This really only applies to regulars where you meet a girl several times and get to know her a bit - or at least the 'her' that she creates for her work life.

Any views?
FF

[Coffeeguy]

Many of them do it seems but do we really care either way?

[nbarnes]

I've been reading SAAFE - mostly for my own amusement  (there are some fucking weirdos out there, of both sexes and persuasions)

I tend to find the more stuck up the WG, the more they hate UKP.

There's a lot of misinformation about UKP, some of the newer WGs I've met think it's basically a hate crime of a site 
 
I did explain to them if they do their job with honesty and enthuasism, UKP is more likely to increase their customer base - it's only the scammers, chancers and thieves that get burned on here.

[OakTree]

Can’t say I ever look into it that deep. It’s just a paid for fuck at the end of the day.

[tantric talents]

I've been reading SAAFE - mostly for my own amusement  (there are some fucking weirdos out there, of both sexes and persuasions)

I tend to find the more stuck up the WG, the more they hate UKP.

There's a lot of misinformation about UKP, some of the newer WGs I've met think it's basically a hate crime of a site 
 
I did explain to them if they do their job with honesty and enthuasism, UKP is more likely to increase their customer base - it's only the scammers, chancers and thieves that get burned on here.

+1
Well observed and I couldn’t agree more

[FiveKnuckles]

review the WG's performance and keep the personal info out or if you must mention something, don't make it a focal point.   

when a WG says she will go to ibiza next week for hols, do we actually care?  the next punter won't rock up and say "nice tan, how was ibiza?"

[Waterhouse]

Many of them do it seems but do we really care either way?

I think it’s a useful mechanism for WGs to know if they need to up the ante. For example, WG is reviewed positively multiple times, is seen as a good and reliable SP, but then puts prices up and/or her service slips and the neutrals and negs start to slip in.  If she cares about her work, then by reading her own reviews on UKP she’ll know how to address the issues and get back on track again as a solid provider.  Have seen it happen on a few of the more well reviewed girls over the years.

Of course if she’s permanently jaded and/or deluded when it comes to price, then the dust will pile up on her phone and the punters will go elsewhere. Basic economics.

[lillythesavage]

I think it’s a useful mechanism for WGs to know if they need to up the ante. For example, WG is reviewed positively multiple times, is seen as a good and reliable SP, but then puts prices up and/or her service slips and the neutrals and negs start to slip in.  If she cares about her work, then by reading her own reviews on UKP she’ll know how to address the issues and get back on track again as a solid provider.  Have seen it happen on a few of the more well reviewed girls over the years.

Of course if she’s permanently jaded and/or deluded when it comes to price, then the dust will pile up on her phone and the punters will go elsewhere. Basic economics.

Punters using this site is a very small percentage of those that punt, dusty phone syndrome is something mentioned here a lot but I doubt it actually exists, even the worst still get punters regardless of reviews on here.
Those that read, or are told by simps more like, might change, but again that is a small percentage.

[nbarnes]

Punters using this site is a very small percentage of those that punt, dusty phone syndrome is something mentioned here a lot but I doubt it actually exists, even the worst still get punters regardless of reviews on here.
Those that read, or are told by simps more like, might change, but again that is a small percentage.

Absolutely. There are too many fluffy twats on AW that will put up with anything for a shag.
Many of them never make the connection between no sex in civvy life and their behaviour.

These wankers push up the market price and encourage subpar service\bad behaviour from WGs.

I'm tempted to say they should all read UKP, but I think having them all here would be a bad thing as well.

[PunterNumber69]

I think 99.9999999% of WGs hate UKP and I don't blame them.

Imagine if a forum existed where people could write reviews of how you were at work?

Your good and bad days are written down for all to see and you may lose business as a result.

Little things that happen on bookings get blown out of proportion.

People that know little about you comment on your physical appearance and your mental state.  I imagine these comments can be quite hurtful.

[Vic69]

Apologies if this repeats any previous threads.

We have discussed before if WG's read UKP. Of course the reasonably savvy better organised ones do.

So we take care to use unique identity info in here - obviously. (WG's too consider it incompletely normal that this entire field of play is conducted with pseudonyms/ anonymity and so on. 'Identity' therefore means linking a UKP member to a punter they know, whilst neither will know the real name of that person, or if they do they keep it quiet. It is considered usual to have a contrived name, work/ occupation/ hometown, - and so do many sex workers.

So my line of thinking is this;
Have you ever wondered if the things she says to you are deliberately varied according to who they are talking to so if i say in here that WG 'Mabel' told me she has been to Wales with a client, or has children called Florence and Marmaduke, then she would know which of her punters I am as they are lines she threw me only. This really only applies to regulars where you meet a girl several times and get to know her a bit - or at least the 'her' that she creates for her work life.

Any views?
FF

Obviously I read UKP as I contribute often lol  I do find it useful when reading reviews left for other girls, gives me insight from the clients point of view.  Regarding adapting what we say to different clients to identify who has left you the review, I doubt anyone would do that, as it would get too complicated when seeing a couple of clients a day what you said to whom lol  I have a few reviews on here and you can work out generally who has written them, as long as they are a fair reflection on the service I give, I am happy to be reviewed, keeps you on your toes!

[PunterNumber69]

review the WG's performance and keep the personal info out or if you must mention something, don't make it a focal point.   

when a WG says she will go to ibiza next week for hols, do we actually care?  the next punter won't rock up and say "nice tan, how was ibiza?"

+1

Some reviewers seem to get off on how much personal info they know and share about a WG.   Discretion works both ways. If it's not relevant to the review rating then don't share it.

[daviemac]

I think 99.9999999% of WGs hate UKP and I don't blame them.

Imagine if a forum existed where people could write reviews of how you were at work?

Your good and bad days are written down for all to see and you may lose business as a result.

Little things that happen on bookings get blown out of proportion.

People that know little about you comment on your physical appearance and your mental state.  I imagine these comments can be quite hurtful.

I think you are way off with your estimation, some hate UKP but some don't mind either way as long as the review is honest and accurate.

Escorts are in the service industry and as such will be reviewed, after all they are charging £2 plus per minute. The one's who give an accurate description of their appearance, provide the services they list and do their best to give the punter a good time, have nothing to worry about with this site.

Review site exist for all forms of service providers. 

[PunterNumber69]

I think you are way off with your estimation, some hate UKP but some don't mind either way as long as the review is honest and accurate.

Escorts are in the service industry and as such will be reviewed, after all they are charging £2 plus per minute. The one's who give an accurate description of their appearance, provide the services they list and do their best to give the punter a good time, have nothing to worry about with this site.

Review site exist for all forms of service providers.

I agree that the good, reliable, professional providers have nothing to fear from UKP. 

It's the ones who deliver a poor service or don't look as described that hate it.

[Imp8]

I think 99.9999999% of WGs hate UKP and I don't blame them.

Imagine if a forum existed where people could write reviews of how you were at work?

Your good and bad days are written down for all to see and you may lose business as a result.

Little things that happen on bookings get blown out of proportion.

People that know little about you comment on your physical appearance and your mental state.  I imagine these comments can be quite hurtful.

With all due respect Punter....I don't really give a shite about what WG's think.
This is a forum for punters and it's focus should be to help punters find reliable WGs,who offer a top notch service. And if you are of a sensitive disposition,then maybe being a WG,or even a Punter....isn't for you.

[Mr Sinister]

So my line of thinking is this;
Have you ever wondered if the things she says to you are deliberately varied according to who they are talking to so if i say in here that WG 'Mabel' told me she has been to Wales with a client, or has children called Florence and Marmaduke, then she would know which of her punters I am as they are lines she threw me only. This really only applies to regulars where you meet a girl several times and get to know her a bit - or at least the 'her' that she creates for her work life.

Any views?
FF

1st rule of UKP is that you do not talk about UKP to WGS, I know some punters do it, I know some punters stupidly mentions things to WGs to try get extras out of them for nothing.

Managing information is key on both sides, be mindful of what you say on here and what you say to WGs.

[alabama1]

I agree that the good, reliable, professional providers have nothing to fear from UKP. 

It's the ones who deliver a poor service or don't look as described that hate it.

Yes, but the one's who deliver poor service don't make up 99.9999999% of the working girl population, as you stated previously 

[PunterNumber69]

Yes, but the one's who deliver poor service don't make up 99.9999999% of the working girl population, as you stated previously 

Yes, you're right. It could just be around 30% who hate it.

[willie loman]

Punters using this site is a very small percentage of those that punt, dusty phone syndrome is something mentioned here a lot but I doubt it actually exists, even the worst still get punters regardless of reviews on here.
Those that read, or are told by simps more like, might change, but again that is a small percentage.

i am not sure how true that statement is, most british punters who punt often will stumble across this site, and many working girls read it, just to get an insight into what the other girls get up to, and for an insight into punter mentality. ryan air hookers, hit and run hookers, stag night parlour visitors, tourists arent aware of uk punting, but the sex industry in britain is on the whole, blokes who do it once a week or once a month. i know from talking to wgs, that the phone starts ringing if they get a positive review on uk. i often have a chat and a laugh about uk punting, only one has probed about my nom de plume.

[WAP]

1st rule of UKP is that you do not talk about UKP to WGS, I know some punters do it, I know some punters stupidly mentions things to WGs to try get extras out of them for nothing.

Managing information is key on both sides, be mindful of what you say on here and what you say to WGs.

💯 Percent agree with this. Now that SPs share information using WhatsApp type groups and Client Eye about punters I do everything I can not to be identified.

[willie loman]

💯 Percent agree with this. Now that SPs share information using WhatsApp type groups and Client Eye about punters I do everything I can not to be identified.

i must be missing something, ??its a bit like saying dont discuss the michelin guide with a restaurant. the more wgs who read uk punting the better,

[WAP]

I agree with you. The more SPs that read UKP the better. I don’t want to be identifiable.

[MissWolf]

Obviously I read UKP as I contribute often lol  I do find it useful when reading reviews left for other girls, gives me insight from the clients point of view.  Regarding adapting what we say to different clients to identify who has left you the review, I doubt anyone would do that, as it would get too complicated when seeing a couple of clients a day what you said to whom lol  I have a few reviews on here and you can work out generally who has written them, as long as they are a fair reflection on the service I give, I am happy to be reviewed, keeps you on your toes!

This 

[Gordon Bennett]

i am not sure how true that statement is, most british punters who punt often will stumble across this site, and many working girls read it, just to get an insight into what the other girls get up to, and for an insight into punter mentality. ryan air hookers, hit and run hookers, stag night parlour visitors, tourists arent aware of uk punting, but the sex industry in britain is on the whole, blokes who do it once a week or once a month. i know from talking to wgs, that the phone starts ringing if they get a positive review on uk. i often have a chat and a laugh about uk punting, only one has probed about my nom de plume.

Can you stumble across this site? I thought there was now a fee to sign up as a new member - this would presumably deter any casual or curious passers-by.

[willie loman]

Can you stumble across this site? I thought there was now a fee to sign up as a new member - this would presumably deter any casual or curious passers-by.

the fee entitles you to full access, and to posting etc, could be 100% wrong, but i imagine you can still stumble across it, we are not the dark web

[Gordon Bennett]

the fee entitles you to full access, and to posting etc, could be 100% wrong, but i imagine you can still stumble across it, we are not the dark web

Wasn't sure myself so just checked. Without logging in you can't see anything aside from Punting Abroad thread. To register a new account you have to pay £20 via Bitcoin. Basically, this site is behind a pay wall for new members - this must deter idiots, trolls and mischief-makers.

[FiveKnuckles]

if you google ukpunting the results will show regional escort reviews and you'll have around 20 clicks before a nag screen.  that's how i was lurking before registration was opened.
   
once you've experienced full registration, don't look back and don't get banned.

[Marmalade]

Obviously I read UKP as I contribute often lol  I do find it useful when reading reviews left for other girls, gives me insight from the clients point of view.  Regarding adapting what we say to different clients to identify who has left you the review, I doubt anyone would do that, as it would get too complicated when seeing a couple of clients a day what you said to whom lol  I have a few reviews on here and you can work out generally who has written them, as long as they are a fair reflection on the service I give, I am happy to be reviewed, keeps you on your toes!

Read and digest!

Of course some SPs have rather different ideas about what consists of a fair review, especially if it isn’t glowing.

The general advice many experienced punters will give you (and I agree with it) is to write the review after the punt but don’t post it until a few days to a week afterwards. Make sure it’s about her, not about how she adored your high heeled brothel sneakers (or any other personally identifiable information about yourself. (If you live in a small area where there are just a few regular punters for a small number of p4ps adjust the time even further.) Remember she may have ‘friends’ on saafe or mumsnet or some other site and may want to ‘warn’ other prostitutes that you are a fucking knob (at least in her fucked up opinion).

Reviews are for punters to read: not p4ps (though if they do happen to read them perhaps they’ll live and learn). A reviewer’s job is to be impartial — not so easy if you imagine her reading your throbbing scribble. Remember there are cases — fortunately not too many — that come out of the blue and go to great lengths to attack or shame a punter on account of his review [just as there are a few ‘punters’ who are psycho fuckhead weirdos, but hopefully none on here]

No offence to any p4ps who are members here — but this site has run long enough for us to know that not all prostitutes are made of sugar n spice n all things nice. Some are cunts, with piss flaps blowing in the wind that is as yet unable to disturb the dust on their phones and less dusty cybermanuals.

[Home Alone]

Obviously I read UKP as I contribute often lol  I do find it useful when reading reviews left for other girls, gives me insight from the clients point of view.  Regarding adapting what we say to different clients to identify who has left you the review, I doubt anyone would do that, as it would get too complicated when seeing a couple of clients a day what you said to whom lol  I have a few reviews on here and you can work out generally who has written them, as long as they are a fair reflection on the service I give, I am happy to be reviewed, keeps you on your toes!

Now if I were reviewing you, I'd have to mark you down because SPs on their toes are no good for those of us who are only 5'4" inches tall!   

[Vic69]

Now if I were reviewing you, I'd have to mark you down because SPs on their toes are no good for those of us who are only 5'4" inches tall!   

No worry about that I have a little step for such occasions, but horizontal we are all the same height lol

[finn5555]

Sadly some pro$$ies throw their toys out of the pram if the review is negative or neutral 

Its a good barometer for them to know that they need to deliver an excellent service so either up their game or see bookings decline 

I don't care if they know I am on here, and I never discuss UKP with them.

[Home Alone]

No worry about that I have a little step for such occasions, but horizontal we are all the same height lol

Indeed we are!

[sparkus]

I agree that the good, reliable, professional providers have nothing to fear from UKP. 

It's the ones who deliver a poor service or don't look as described that hate it.

Unless they have problems with the council or their neighbours.

[Marmalade]

I agree that the good, reliable, professional providers have nothing to fear from UKP. 
It's the ones who deliver a poor service or don't look as described that hate it.

With all due respect Punter....I don't really give a shite about what WG's think.
This is a forum for punters and it's focus should be to help punters find reliable WGs,who offer a top notch service. And if you are of a sensitive disposition,then maybe being a WG,or even a Punter....isn't for you.

Not much to disagree with in either post there.

I would however add that every provider should be able to take a bad review in her stride. Reviewers do their best but aren’t perfect and it’s their experience of the service rather than the service itself.

Have you never bought a ‘good’ product and got it home to think, this is shite, nothing like what I wanted, the colour doesn’t match what’s on the box blah blah blah.

If you haven’t, just look at the reviews that slag off Apple or Microsoft. You can’t please all the people all the time and it should be beneath you to protest too much over an occasional disappointed customer.

Critical reviews are often more helpful. Suck it up!

[LLPunting]

I think 99.9999999% of WGs hate UKP and I don't blame them.

Imagine if a forum existed where people could write reviews of how you were at work?

Your good and bad days are written down for all to see and you may lose business as a result.

Little things that happen on bookings get blown out of proportion.

People that know little about you comment on your physical appearance and your mental state.  I imagine these comments can be quite hurtful.

I agree that the good, reliable, professional providers have nothing to fear from UKP. 

It's the ones who deliver a poor service or don't look as described that hate it.

Why do you write so much hyperbolic rubbish and contradict yourself?

There are supposedly tens of thousands of WGs in the UK and UKP surfaces info on a few thousand of the active ones at any given time so we "affect" the trade of a minority of the girls plying their trade, but we do account for more than 1 percent of them and negatives are not the vast majority of the reviews here.

For the SP who doesn't give a shit about the level of service she offers:
If the review is truthful and encouraging then an SP benefits from more requests than she otherwise gets.  If the review promoted services that are at her discretion then subsequent reviews and comments may reveal if she's denied those services to others.
If a review is truthful and discouraging then the SP continues to get enquiries from the many ignorant punters not using UKP i.e. the likely majority of her customer base.
If a review is lying then either the SP gets more than the usual amount of enquiries about things she doesn't actually (and perhaps refuses to) do or she just gets the usual amount of ignorant callers.  Subsequent reviews and comments here should correct any "lies".

For the SP who actually takes pride in her work (and is aware of UKP):
Honest reviews filter the client enquiries she gets from those who care about the service they are after.  She still has to take all the calls she would get from the great lot of ignorant punters who may or may not frustrate her.
Dishonest reviews can be challenged and will likely be exposed by other reviews from "honest" punters.  A temporary storm in a teacup and ultimately the liar loses out and her reputation is restored.

Anyone working for an employer is subject to performance review by someone they might not respect or be impressed by, and shitty performance will typically result in stunted progression if not dismissal and possibly impact on future employment prospects.  So we are already affected by something "worse" than a relatively inconsequential website that's no longer public and hosting comments about a working persona that is otherwise not the real person.  The "exposure" here is nothing like retail websites or even confidential HR records.

The vast majority of the thousands of reviews I've read here (granted mostly London) over the years have rarely mentioned "little things" that got blown out of proportion.  Most reviewers often have to be prompted for details or clarifications which are then in the open for all UKPers' edification.

The mental state of a WG is her private business unless she allows it to impact her service.  How she behaves towards a client is wholly up for criticism and debate.  If she has irrational grievance with her actual state of body then that's on her, it's not up to those who are paying (substantially) for her services and may've been deceived by her about the state of her body to be fawningly indulgent of her feelings and unwarranted body image.  Everyone's free to live in their own delusion but the moment you charge others to partake in it you are rightly subject to their opinion and perception.

Some UKPers lie or exaggerate and that is why others here should be reviewing their experiences with the same SPs so that the collective opinion is more likely to be "balanced and honest".  Keeping your experiences to yourselves (or withholding them until they're barely relevant) only serves to prevent others making informed choices and being more successful with their time and money, it also fosters irrational resentment towards SPs due to unnecessary ignorance.

[Bonker]

Imagine if a forum existed where people could write reviews of how you were at work?

Such as tripadvisor, trustatrader, google reviews facebook...

[sparkus]

Imagine if a forum existed where people could write reviews of how you were at work?

Such as tripadvisor, trustatrader, google reviews facebook...

I've written several rave reviews at the above in exchange for pints.  Even for vehicles I don't own or services I don't even need

[alabama1]

Thanks for making a mockery of such sites   

[sparkus]

Thanks for making a mockery of such sites   

Like it's only me doing it

[alabama1]

Like it's only me doing it

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[sparkus]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I've probably done it all of five times.
I have however left loads of bogus 'against the grain' positive comments on IMDB for favours

[funfungoodguy]

Well that did produce a lot of thought.

In order to widen the readership of UKP and therefore more coverage for comments made, as well as better propagate the warnings and stuff that we all find useful, what about using AW feedbacks to mention UKP, so if you have a good punt and she has some nice stuff said in here too, why not mention UKP in your few words on AW feedback. this will help to advertise UKP to AW readers?

[MissWolf]

Well that did produce a lot of thought.

In order to widen the readership of UKP and therefore more coverage for comments made, as well as better propagate the warnings and stuff that we all find useful, what about using AW feedbacks to mention UKP, so if you have a good punt and she has some nice stuff said in here too, why not mention UKP in your few words on AW feedback. this will help to advertise UKP to AW readers?

I can almost guarantee it will also get you booted from ukp 

As we are not permitted to type Web addresses or references to other sites even via email, it Flags and won't send, I suspect the software they obviously run will cover the feedback section too 

[Strawberry]

I can almost guarantee it will also get you booted from ukp 

As we are not permitted to type Web addresses or references to other sites even via email, it Flags and won't send, I suspect the software they obviously run will cover the feedback sec, tion too 

Did you mean AW in your first sentence.
Yes links in messages are picked up, a regular messaging me had his messages deleted by the AW system after including a website link in a message he sent.

[daviemac]

Well that did produce a lot of thought.

In order to widen the readership of UKP and therefore more coverage for comments made, as well as better propagate the warnings and stuff that we all find useful, what about using AW feedbacks to mention UKP, so if you have a good punt and she has some nice stuff said in here too, why not mention UKP in your few words on AW feedback. this will help to advertise UKP to AW readers?

At the last count we have 60,519 members, do you really think we need to advertise UKP to anyone.

UKP is here for the benefit of it's members, it is not here to advertise on behalf of escorts, as you've been a member for 9 years you should know that. If an escort wants to publicise she has reviews on here that's up to her, it isn't your job.

It is generally not recommended to link your AW profile to UKP, far better to keep the two separate and using UKP to try and gain favours with SPs gets you banned from here.

[Colston36]

Apologies if this repeats any previous threads.

We have discussed before if WG's read UKP. Of course the reasonably savvy better organised ones do.

So we take care to use unique identity info in here - obviously. (WG's too consider it incompletely normal that this entire field of play is conducted with pseudonyms/ anonymity and so on. 'Identity' therefore means linking a UKP member to a punter they know, whilst neither will know the real name of that person, or if they do they keep it quiet. It is considered usual to have a contrived name, work/ occupation/ hometown, - and so do many sex workers.

So my line of thinking is this;
Have you ever wondered if the things she says to you are deliberately varied according to who they are talking to so if i say in here that WG 'Mabel' told me she has been to Wales with a client, or has children called Florence and Marmaduke, then she would know which of her punters I am as they are lines she threw me only. This really only applies to regulars where you meet a girl several times and get to know her a bit - or at least the 'her' that she creates for her work life.

Any views?
FF

"WG's too consider it incompletely normal that this entire field of play is conducted with pseudonyms/ anonymity and so on."

What is "incompletely normal" about the way things are conducted? The comments from the ladies in this thread about how they are conducted suggest everything as normal as can be.

In countless conversations with the ladies about their private lives and mine not one has anything in the least significant  on here. Nor have I - though I have been told, and myself told many very revealing and personal facts.

[lillythesavage]

Some " incompletely " over think this game, humans will talk.

[oinki]

But then again do people reviewing actually disclose the chats they are having with the wg? If they do it is a bit of a crappy review. Id rather the review focus on hiw the wg performs than what you had a conversation about.... if people kept their reviews to what punters really care about it shouldbt be an issue of a wg trying to catch you out.

[sparkus]

But then again do people reviewing actually disclose the chats they are having with the wg? If they do it is a bit of a crappy review. Id rather the review focus on hiw the wg performs than what you had a conversation about.... if people kept their reviews to what punters really care about it shouldbt be an issue of a wg trying to catch you out.

Some is useful intel for here though, but in the main most is just chit chat anyway.

[tynetunnel]

As suggested by DM, I keep my UKP and AW identities completely separate. I have zero interest in discussing UKP with any WG, and I try to be appropriately vague, and leave a sufficient amount of time between my punt and review so as not to give anyone the opportunity to join the two together.

If the subject of UKP is mentioned, or reviews in general, I always try to appear unaware of such matters.  I will never use my membership here to illicit any kind of gain in terms of service/price/etc. Not least because my privacy matters and I have no wish to be outed or exposed, as well as being the appropriate behavior