Olina escorts RAIDED+ others

[petermisc]

If that was the reason it would be cheaper just to hire an assistant to handle the admin   
WGs use agencies for clients

And to find them accomodation.  That is becoming a big problem now, with landlords and their agents required to see all sorts of proof of residency status, where the money will be coming from, etc.

[tp69]

And that's the kind of bovine ignorance that allows these things to happen.
The suspicion never gets raised because the signs are missed or ignored. It's a major issue especially for the foreign girls. How the heck does a farmer's daughter from deepest China get to be setup working in a flat in the UK without someone ordering her about?
Or a girl  from a Brazilian slum? They're not even allowed to rent property here so no way can they do it themselves

Hi Scutty. Personally, I find the entire idea of a person being coerced vile, and try to ensure to the best I can that the person is happy to be doing their chosen job. When I read your posts I start questioning everything, and I'm trying to understand how you qualify someone as being entirely independent and complicit in the situation - your last punts were all foreigners from the same countries that seem to be the concern (Kenyan, Chinese, Singaporean, Thai, Thai, Chinese, Thai, Romanian, Cuban), so what is your process for qualifying them as independent?

If your comment above holds true across the board, then seeing any independent on AW, regardless of how happy she seems, is possibly being coerced in some way, or paying off some debt. How then does one know for sure that it isn't the case?

Also, can I ask whether 2 girls sharing a flat is against the law? I would imagine they do it to share costs and provide extra security/support for themselves, but does that make it illegal if they're independent? The latest person I visited apparently has a flat mate according a review I read after seeing her. It would be difficult to know this prior to seeing someone.

[petermisc]

It's been like that for years

What part of "yesterday was the first time I have ever had to acknowledge it to get into their site" do you not understand?  It has certainly not been like that for years in my experience.

[puntingpumping1920]

And to find them accomodation.  That is becoming a big problem now, with landlords and their agents required to see all sorts of proof of residency status, where the money will be coming from, etc.

 
That's not true for Kings Lover, UKGG, Black Label or Aprov

[puntingpumping1920]

What part of "yesterday was the first time I have ever had to acknowledge it to get into their site" do you not understand?  It has certainly not been like that for years in my experience.

 
Just pointing out that Olina hasn't changed anything

[petermisc]

Just pointing out that Olina hasn't changed anything

How do you know that?  Are you their web-master?

[petermisc]

only the mobile version of the site, not the desktop at External Link/Members Only

Correct.  The desktop version does not have the new "important legal notice" on it anywhere, as far as I can see.  This new legal notice is very different to the "legal disclaimer" that they have had on their home page for yonks.

They have probably forgotten to update the desktop version, or not bothered, as surely they must get very little traffic on it these days.  After all, who still uses a desktop these days, other than for work purposes?  Never bothered unpacking mine after the last house move.

[petermisc]

That's not true for Kings Lover, UKGG, Black Label or Aprov

So how do their girls obtain accomodation?  Or do those agencies just wipe their hands of the problem?

[abz91]

a friend of mine who had an appointment yesterday at edgware road saw the police there in that apartment too.

So be careful!!!

I didn't think of it much at the time but I had an appointment on Sat at edgware road aswell. They cancelled a few hours earlier, citing plumbing problems. Looks like I had a lucky escape.

[LLPunting]

...

They have probably forgotten to update the desktop version, or not bothered, as surely they must get very little traffic on it these days.  After all, who still uses a desktop these days, other than for work purposes?  Never bothered unpacking mine after the last house move.

"desktop" applies to any browser on a device identifying itself as a desktop session, that could be your phone, your tower PC, your laptop, your TV using Windows, Linux, MacOS and others.

[LLPunting]

...
Also, can I ask whether 2 girls sharing a flat is against the law? I would imagine they do it to share costs and provide extra security/support for themselves, but does that make it illegal if they're independent? The latest person I visited apparently has a flat mate according a review I read after seeing her. It would be difficult to know this prior to seeing someone.

A brothel is any premises being used by more than one sex worker whether concurrently or at different times, so that includes one room premises with different girls on different shifts.

I believe landlords, whether owners or estate agents, may be culpable also once they are aware of the misuse, need to check the law again. Consecutive separate tenancies for solo occupants might not expose them though, again check the law.

[puntingpumping1920]

So how do their girls obtain accomodation?  Or do those agencies just wipe their hands of the problem?

A girl I met yesterday used AirBnB for a flat in Mayfair

Agencies I use regularly do not optain flats for girls 😂



 

[puntingpumping1920]

How do you know that?  Are you their web-master?

Website archive

Yes, I work for Olina 😂

[puntingpumping1920]

Agencies I use regularly do not optain flats for girls

Correction

*Agencies I use regularly do not provide flats for girls

[puntingpumping1920]

External Link/Members Only

When this girl arrived in London recently she was looking for a flat in Chelsea (She's in Dubai now)

She was asking friends for recommendations

She was using Revolut card

Seemed independent to me

[flamingice]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the agencies have some “friendly” landlords, that are happy with an informal agreement where they take cash. Everyone wins. No tax to declare for landlord, no property agent fees for either party, and in general just easier.

[bossrossi477]

that's why Ariel / Zelda thai became independent


https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?msg=1975224

[bossrossi477]

it was under olina if you remember

[scutty brown]

Hi Scutty. Personally, I find the entire idea of a person being coerced vile, and try to ensure to the best I can that the person is happy to be doing their chosen job. When I read your posts I start questioning everything, and I'm trying to understand how you qualify someone as being entirely independent and complicit in the situation - your last punts were all foreigners from the same countries that seem to be the concern (Kenyan, Chinese, Singaporean, Thai, Thai, Chinese, Thai, Romanian, Cuban), so what is your process for qualifying them as independent?

If your comment above holds true across the board, then seeing any independent on AW, regardless of how happy she seems, is possibly being coerced in some way, or paying off some debt. How then does one know for sure that it isn't the case?

Often it's very hard to tell. Sometimes the profile gives clues:
stolen photos
new/changing profiles
multiple profiles for the same address
explicit photos
language style
profile - does it fit a known pattern?
is the girl out of place - could she realistically get here and set up in business unassisted

but often you need to see for yourself to know, these are some tips reposted from an earlier thread

A repost going into more details of what to look for

first read these including the links re sex workers
External Link/Members Only
External Link/Members Only

Significant Signs
There are a number of signs that are common across all types of exploitation.
Including, if a person:
*acts as if instructed by another, as though they are forced or coerced to carry out specific activities
*demonstrates signs of physical or psychological abuse, such as lacking self esteem, seeming anxious, bruising or untreated medical conditions
*seems to be bonded by debt or has money deducted from their salary
*has little or no contact with family or loved ones
*is distrustful of authorities
*has threats made against themselves or family members
*is not in possession of their own legal documents

Significant signs for individuals potentially selling sex:
*Is the person closely guarded?
*Does the person have any signs of physical abuse, such as cigarette burns or tattoos indicating ownership?
*Is the person allowed to keep the money they make? A trafficked sex worker will have restricted or no access to earnings
*Is there any evidence that the person has been forced, intimidated or coerced into providing sexual services?
*Does the person have an English vocabulary of only sexualised words?
*Are there any signs the person is experiencing emotional trauma as a result of the work they are doing?

Some of the above may be unclear or contradictory, below are explanatory notes dating from 2019

Travel
With EE girls what you are looking for are girls with no obvious means of transport, who are moving location frequently. Usually a courier comes to pick them up with no prior notice and takes them to the next location. The girls usually won't know where they've been or when or where they're going. "Frequently" can mean anything between a couple of days to a couple of weeks. But don't assume static girls are OK, some teams will stay until the utility bills arrive and then jump ship every three or four months.
Chinese girls are less obvious, they're often sent out by train from London on 1-2 week shifts, sometimes unsupervised during the journey. They're held in check by the lack of language, threats to themselves and family, and debt bondage. And often they don't realise they're being exploited. Age comes into it as well -the ones at risk are mainly in the 18-28 age range.

Sleeping
This ones hard to pick up on.............sometimes there is a separate house acting as the pimps residence which the girls use for sleeping, sometimes complete with a training / breaking in room where the girls are intimidated, brainwashed raped and indoctrinated into the trade. You're most likely to find this where EE girls work from long-established houses, where the house remains in use but the girls change. Also where EE girls are hired out to parlours for the day: they get dropped off in the morning, collected next morning and the pimp pockets the price for renting her out.
However a lot of EE girls are handled differently: those in short-term lets or in hotels or serviced apartments will eat sleep and fuck in the same room.

Limited clothing
Most obvious in hotels or short term lets where the girl is living from a suitcase and may well have only the knickers she greets you in..........often what little clothing she has is totally impractical and is commonly thin £2 leggings and such like from the market. You can see what's strewn on the floor or in open suitcases
Sometimes clothes are removed from a girls reach to prevent her escaping.......I've seen this with chinese girls where the only clothes in the flat were lace bodysuits

Money collection
Sometimes there's a second person who grabs the money off you before the working girl has a chance to touch it.......indicates she's not trusted.

There are other signs as well
*does the girl look healthy, well fed?
*what's the decor of the building? Is it a shithole, does the bath and toilet work?
*is there any furniture in the house?
*how clean is the bedding?
*are there any toiletries in the bathroom? how many razors? how many men's razors?
*what's the state of the kitchen, is there any food in the house or is she living on pot noodles or beans supplied by the pimp?
*does she know what town she's in, or what the last town was, or the next one?
*what's her hygiene like?
*how does she appear mentally? depressed? sad? brainwashed?
*does she seem scared?

none of these things on their own can conclusively prove anything, but as a mental checklist they help to give a feeling as to whether a girl is at risk.
But remember - if you have the slightest suspicion, make the call

specifically with respect to Olina and the Asian connection, this also from an old thread is relevant. It was written about Chinese girls but applies equally to other Asians

Its very hard.
The problem is that Chinese women are often complicit in their own exploitation - take the Morecambe cockle pickers, they paid a fortune to be smuggled into the country in containers only to end up as debt-bonded slaves. Language problems, the need to service the debt, and fear of the smugglers stopped them complaining
Chinese women tend to come in via various routes:
smuggled in via container
on tourist / student visas (on which its illegal for them to work)
illegal via Ireland (Irish visas are easier to get than UK ones)
Many of them, especially the older ones seem to be here willingly, but the reality is that often they're paying off a debt-bond - and know that complaining isn't safe. What you've got to ask yourself when you meet a Chinese girl is "how the fuck did she get here"?
Its unrealistic to expect an uneducated girl with no English language from Zhejiang, or Guangong, or Sichuan to have raised the cash to have flown into the UK, and then organised herself to get to a serviced flat in Blackpool, Preston, Leeds or wherever............The truth is someone is organising and financing them and inevitably that organisation and finance comes from chinese organised crime.
By definition the girls are working illegally (unless they have UK residence status through marriage or parents) and are scared of telling anyone the truth. They're between a rock and a hard place: getting caught, chucked out and still having to service the debt -or carry on working, suffer the abuse and brutality of the minders and hope it comes to an end.
Often though the girls are tricked into sex work..........they get a paid flight to the UK on the belief they'll be working in a restaurant, only to find that "noodle bar girl" has a hidden meaning. They arrive, in debt, and have to fuck to survive.
Or you'll get cases like the one I've reported before: a girl flies legitimately into Heathrow on what she thinks is a holiday but the girl she's supposed to meet isn't there. Instead she gets befriended by a pimps agent who offers her a bed and a tour of London. Next day she ends up at an illegal gambling den, doesn't understand the exchange rate, is helped rack up a debt of thousands..........day after she forced to start repaying her debt by working in brothels around the country.
In short its damned hard to tell at times............all you can say for sure is that the older the girl is, then the less likely she is to be forced. Also in Liverpool (which is what you asked about) at least some of the girls are actually British - remember there has been a Chinese population there since the 1700's. However even then there's a good chance the finance comes from Triad-type gangs.

[scutty brown]

I wouldn’t be surprised if the agencies have some “friendly” landlords, that are happy with an informal agreement where they take cash. Everyone wins. No tax to declare for landlord, no property agent fees for either party, and in general just easier.y.

Certainly true of some of the houses and flats used  in Blackpool, Preston, Blackburn, Burnley.............
Often shitholes with the local ethnic version of Rachman as landlord.
The girls don't win

[boardyhell]

does anyone remember scandal babes going down ,tax evasion
think they went down

[Resources3xx]

lol they forgot the famous bit  "The escorts on your website are purely for time and companionship only and anything that happens between two consenting adults is at their discretion"

OP, if may I ask you, under what grounds were your friend detained for 2 hours? was he taken to the police station or summo?

bear in mind that i was passing on second hand information at the time so the info was a bit sketchy. i just thought it was best to be make people aware as fast as possible. they kept him there at the flat for about two hours, while they questioned the other punter and the 2 girls. he said that they badly interogated him and tried to scare the shit out of him by saying he could be in major trouble if the girl was trafficed or underage. luckily she wasnt  but at the moment the adrenaline is going and he was obviously thinking the worst. they also wanted to see his phone which he refued. he said he was there for a massage but they werent buying it saying things like "come on you know what kind of place this is, you know what owo stands for."

they took his details including finger print and a criminal/police check but in the end they just let him go since they had nothing on him


ive spoken to the ex receptionist (she didnt work that particular day)at sandys superstars in manchester . possiblly the greatest parlour ever. and she said a similar thing. they let the girls and the punters go but charged the owners and receptionist

[flamingice]

bear in mind that i was passing on second hand information at the time so the info was a bit sketchy. i just thought it was best to be make people aware as fast as possible. they kept him there at the flat for about two hours, while they questioned the other punter and the 2 girls. he said that they badly interogated him and tried to scare the shit out of him by saying he could be in major trouble if the girl was trafficed or underage. luckily she wasnt  but at the moment the adrenaline is going and he was obviously thinking the worst. they also wanted to see his phone which he refued. he said he was there for a massage but they werent buying it saying things like "come on you know what kind of place this is, you know what owo stands for."

they took his details including finger print and a criminal/police check but in the end they just let him go since they had nothing on him


ive spoken to the ex receptionist (she didnt work that particular day)at sandys superstars in manchester . possiblly the greatest parlour ever. and she said a similar thing. they let the girls and the punters go but charged the owners and receptionist

Your friend did absolutely the right thing. Keeping cool as best he can, ignoring all the scaremongering to try and make him crack under pressure and give some type of confession, and just sticking with his story line of the massage. They cannot prove anything unless they literally caught him in action with his d*** inside them.

[BootsnBunches]

bear in mind that i was passing on second hand information at the time so the info was a bit sketchy. i just thought it was best to be make people aware as fast as possible. they kept him there at the flat for about two hours, while they questioned the other punter and the 2 girls. he said that they badly interogated him and tried to scare the shit out of him by saying he could be in major trouble if the girl was trafficed or underage. luckily she wasnt  but at the moment the adrenaline is going and he was obviously thinking the worst. they also wanted to see his phone which he refued. he said he was there for a massage but they werent buying it saying things like "come on you know what kind of place this is, you know what owo stands for."

they took his details including finger print and a criminal/police check but in the end they just let him go since they had nothing on him


ive spoken to the ex receptionist (she didnt work that particular day)at sandys superstars in manchester . possiblly the greatest parlour ever. and she said a similar thing. they let the girls and the punters go but charged the owners and receptionist

So did they put the door in or wait for him to leave?

[stewpid]

bear in mind that i was passing on second hand information at the time so the info was a bit sketchy. i just thought it was best to be make people aware as fast as possible. they kept him there at the flat for about two hours, while they questioned the other punter and the 2 girls. he said that they badly interogated him and tried to scare the shit out of him by saying he could be in major trouble if the girl was trafficed or underage. luckily she wasnt  but at the moment the adrenaline is going and he was obviously thinking the worst. they also wanted to see his phone which he refued. he said he was there for a massage but they werent buying it saying things like "come on you know what kind of place this is, you know what owo stands for."

they took his details including finger print and a criminal/police check but in the end they just let him go since they had nothing on him

Has it been clarified that it was an Olina girl that was being visited? Tracy was mentioned but one of her latest reviews since her return seemed to indicate she was working alone.

Others have also mentioned not receiving any replies from Olina since Saturday but has anyone else made a booking successfully since the weekend?

This is one of the reasons I'm always wary of visiting girls that are sharing a flat with another WG. I've been in a situation where someone interrupted a session to attempt to threaten the 2 girls working there about their operation and it wasn't fun. I'm lucky it wasn't the police that time.

[PumpDump]

Your friend did absolutely the right thing. Keeping cool as best he can, ignoring all the scaremongering to try and make him crack under pressure and give some type of confession, and just sticking with his story line of the massage. They cannot prove anything unless they literally caught him in action with his d*** inside them.

Exactly. In most cases the police are hoping you incriminate yourself. Just tell them you have nothing to say, tell them you will only answer questions when your solicitor is present. You are entitled to a solicitor free of charge if they arrest you.

[ddddrrrrrr]

Has it been clarified that it was an Olina girl that was being visited? Tracy was mentioned but one of her latest reviews since her return seemed to indicate she was working alone.

Maybe Olive and Malee based off this:

a friend of mine who had an appointment yesterday at edgware road saw the police there in that apartment too.

[Traveller58uk]

I am guessing that it would be pretty obvious that Tracy was not 'controlled' as she has just taken 4 months off and is now working Monday to Friday, 9 to 5, all her own choice.

She lives on her own in a small, self-contained flat with its own front door. So not a brothel.

The Visa issue might be tricky. Thais can apply for a tourist visa or a student visa. If they stay for longer, then they just over-stay their visa deadline and hope to avoid the Police. If they get caught they are kicked out of the country. If they leave voluntarily, the over-stay may be noted on the Border-Forces systems as they pass through the airport but they are allowed to go as they are leaving the country. They would not be allowed back in, but most of them are not concerned by this.

[BootsnBunches]

I am guessing that it would be pretty obvious that Tracy was not 'controlled' as she has just taken 4 months off and is now working Monday to Friday, 9 to 5, all her own choice.

She lives on her own in a small, self-contained flat with its own front door. So not a brothel.

The Visa issue might be tricky. Thais can apply for a tourist visa or a student visa. If they stay for longer, then they just over-stay their visa deadline and hope to avoid the Police. If they get caught they are kicked out of the country. If they leave voluntarily, the over-stay may be noted on the Border-Forces systems as they pass through the airport but they are allowed to go as they are leaving the country. They would not be allowed back in, but most of them are not concerned by this.

I’d agree regarding Tracy.  As I reported before, I was with her once when she decided to cancel her appointments for the day. I heard the entire conversation. She simply phoned, said she was feeling shattered and a bit light-headed after a night out the night before and asked them to cancel her bookings, adding she would decide later about the next day.  I found it very reassuring to hear this and if I’d heard anything that concerned me I would have reported it and shared my concerns. The person on the end of the phone was very easy going about it and just asked if she needed anything.

[dirtykirti]

No response from olinas this morning either

[stewpid]

Maybe Olive and Malee based off this:

This would also be my guess. I did visit Olive at this property a little while back and really didn't like the set-up, entrance was exposed to a wide range of surrounding properties and by reports it seems the girls have been packing in the punters so a lot of coming and going. If I was a neighbour it would seem pretty obvious what was going on if I wanted to report anything.

However this is all still speculation and we don't have any confirmation from the OP or his friend as to who he was exactly visiting or if Olina have been investigated as a result of this raid...

[scutty brown]

I think you will find that all five Olina sites were raided and probably the management homes

[stewpid]

I think you will find that all five Olina sites were raided and probably the management homes

Possibly, I'm not saying this is not the case but do you have any evidence to support that?

[flamingice]

No response from olinas this morning either

The plot thickens…

[BootsnBunches]

The plot thickens…

If equipment was taken it’s not surprising and perhaps they no longer have a team if they’ve either been arrested or found to have broken their terms of visa.

[lillythesavage]

Possibly, I'm not saying this is not the case but do you have any evidence to support that?

Do the posts saying they are not contactable confirm enough? 

[magnetico]

Just pointing out that Olina hasn't changed anything

yes the notice was already there in 2017

External Link/Members Only

[bossrossi477]

This would also be my guess. I did visit Olive at this property a little while back and really didn't like the set-up, entrance was exposed to a wide range of surrounding properties and by reports it seems the girls have been packing in the punters so a lot of coming and going. If I was a neighbour it would seem pretty obvious what was going on if I wanted to report anything.

However this is all still speculation and we don't have any confirmation from the OP or his friend as to who he was exactly visiting or if Olina have been investigated as a result of this raid...

I'm sure there are something happened in that apartament.  With a single girl the place is busy Imagine two girls both young!!

[abz91]

They’re back. They replied to my message from yesterday. Although I ain’t going near them for a while yet.

[Prifessionallondinguy]

They’re back. They replied to my message from yesterday. Although I ain’t going near them for a while yet.

How open are Olina to hotel outcall bookings? Are all girls available?

[abz91]

I don’t know about outcalls but I suppose not much has changed in that regard- depends on who you book.
They said everything is back to normal and situation has been resolved. Best to contact them if you’re eager to book someone. 

[Prifessionallondinguy]

I don’t know about outcalls but I suppose not much has changed in that regard- depends on who you book.
They said everything is back to normal and situation has been resolved. Best to contact them if you’re eager to book someone.

It’s like the scene from Jaws when no one wants to go into the water.

[abz91]

It’s like the scene from Jaws when no one wants to go into the water.

[magnetico]

They said everything is back to normal and situation has been resolved.

The policemen got a free 1h booking voucher each?

[flamingice]

I'm sure there are something happened in that apartament.

They found a body under the floorboards.  While I joke, it all feels very uneasy.  The whole set up in that block is completely dodge, from the calling to be buzzed in, to the exposed walkway and the filming inside the flat.  Horror movie alert.  Don’t feel like going within several miles of that location anymore for my sanity.

[flamingice]

They said everything is back to normal and situation has been resolved.

And we trust their word on that?

[abz91]

And we trust their word on that?

I didn’t say I believe them, I was just repeating they said.

[BootsnBunches]

I'm sure there are something happened in that apartament.  With a single girl the place is busy Imagine two girls both young!!

Two girls working in that location was bound to get some attention sooner or later. Combined by a couple of reports on here about Malee seeming ‘disinterested’ combined with this may well have provoked some enquiries of both this flat and others.

[amarihwk]

They seem to have updated the website too. Betty's profile which was removed for a while seems to be back active.

[sHiNy]

Better to avoid them for a little while