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Author Topic: UKP Regional WG Hot Lists or Top Tens: anyone think they would be useful?  (Read 5221 times)

Flunt

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Nope. No Adultwork profile and/or retirement = removal.

Which means it's not automatically updated, it would require constant monitoring for retirements, pro$$ies going rogue/downhill. While UKP has a reputation to uphold and SweetFanny is number one on the list for London, she may at the same time have damaging accusations being discussed elsewhere on the board. Lazypunter comes along and sees SweetFanny at number 1 and becomes the next victim in whatever scam she has going.

west8

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Which means it's not automatically updated, it would require constant monitoring for retirements, pro$$ies going rogue/downhill. While UKP has a reputation to uphold and SweetFanny is number one on the list for London, she may at the same time have damaging accusations being discussed elsewhere on the board. Lazypunter comes along and sees SweetFanny at number 1 and becomes the next victim in whatever scam she has going.

Automatically updated by script. No active AW = no inclusion. Easy to achieve.

Good point about the possibility of a punter being misled though. However, it's highly unlikely that the girls we're potentially talking about would suddenly 'go rogue' and fuck it all up.

Offline threechilliman

I for one wouldn't decide to punt a girl because she has more reviews than another girl. Prefer to read reviews and decide whether she's to my tastes or not. My favourite has one review on here by me so she'd be in the relegation zone. For me, she's a great fuck.

tcm

west8

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I for one wouldn't decide to punt a girl because she has more reviews than another girl. Prefer to read reviews and decide whether she's to my tastes or not. My favourite has one review on here by me so she'd be in the relegation zone. For me, she's a great fuck.

Same here. But that's because we've both enjoyed the benefits of reading everything on here + numerous punts behind us.

Not necessarily true of new arrivals - especially those who turn up asking for 'recommendations' or 'suggestions' each and every day.

Offline MancSean

If you personally didn't want to view the lists then you don't have to though.  I like the idea especially as I like to punt outside of London and Manchester on the weekend. If a girl has good reviews from respected punters it might make me want to visit them instead of taking a risk on an unknown.
I agree with you 100% about each punter has different tastes but a list like the one Westie is suggesting might not benefit all but it would benefit many on here.
As far as abuse by fanboys pimps etc that can happen now anyway so don't see how the lists would encourage it more.
I never read aw field reports coz they are irrelevant. However if I knew a lass has 35 positive reviews on ukp by seasoned punters that have similar sexual needs as me I would view the lists to chose who I am going to see. Similarly if there was a lass on there with good reviews but I didn't fancy her physically I would steer clear. Information is the key to life and if you can separate the wheat from the chaff it's all gravy

Offline MancSean

I mentioned something like this a while ago as a feature for people who are members of the site. My idea was to not prohibit them from viewing reviews but instead give people extra features and more incentives to become a member of the site. I do agree that touters and working girls could easily fix the numbers and use it as a platform to bump their favourite working girls so in a way the system would need to be moderated.

My idea is that once a working girl recieves a positive it adds a number to her score. So for example...

Dirty Dorris recieves a positive from PuntingBob - one point is added to her profile. If someone then leaves a negative then Dirty Dorris loses that point she had and returns back to zero. League tables will then form with the best 15 prossies in each region.

The problem we have with this system is that fluffies or trolls could counteract the positive/negative reviews in the prossies favour so the system would need to be moderated and regulated. Perhaps members with over a certain amount of posts will be able to add a point to each profile otherwise the point becomes obselete.

If it works then if puntingBob fancies a decent punt then all he has to do is look at the league tables for each county and can decide which girl he wants to see without the fuss and time it takes to sort through all of the profiles on Adultwork.
I like your idea except for posts mean nowt unless it's a review. Some people talk utter shite on here and yet might have x 000's of posts but no reviews so why should they get special privileges for talking bollocks. Reviews are the bread and butter of this site not inane comments

west8

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Some people talk utter shite on here and yet might have x 000's of posts but no reviews so why should they get special privileges for talking bollocks. Reviews are the bread and butter of this site not inane comments

Can't argue with that. :drinks:

Offline Sedlmayer

Automatically updated by script. No active AW = no inclusion. Easy to achieve. You're volunteering then, right?

Good point about the possibility of a punter being misled though. However, it's highly unlikely that the girls we're potentially talking about would suddenly 'go rogue' and fuck it all up.
Your friend Porsha did didn't she, or am I getting confused by all your fairytales?

It's a useless idea anyway, just designed to big up the usual suspects fluffy's darling prostitutes even more. Pointless. If newbies can't do a bit of homework, sod them.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2015, 09:40:11 pm by Sedlmayer »

Offline Bangers and Gash

Some people love to over complicate things. Just turn up, fuck them and maybe write a review afterwards - job done. simple!  :thumbsup:

west8

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Your friend Porsha did didn't she, or am I getting confused by all your fairytales?

It's a useless idea anyway, just designed to big up the usual suspects fluffy's darling prostitutes even more. Pointless. If newbies can't do a bit of homework, sod them.

You've totally lost me with that post (the bit in red).

Online HappyandLucky

Can't argue with that. :drinks:
Agreed, without reviews this site is just like any other chat forum. All we are bollocking about is an easier way to access data already available. Nothing to stop a punter looking @ a top ten and then perusing the reviews, or trawl through 100's.  :hi:

charming_red

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Its a reasonable suggestion by west and just helps to give you a headstart or a focal point for areas that are new to you. You don't have to follow it, but they would be safe options for people who cannot afford to take a risk.

Offline Mr Br1ghts1de

Its a reasonable suggestion by west and just helps to give you a headstart or a focal point for areas that are new to you. You don't have to follow it, but they would be safe options for people who cannot afford to take a risk.

Not in favour of something that so easily spoon feeds lurkers that don't contribute to the site.

The site has had 25,570 visitors today - 23,952 GUESTS, 1618 members.



Online HappyandLucky

Not in favour of something that so easily spoon feeds lurkers that don't contribute to the site.

The site has had 25,570 visitors today - 23,952 GUESTS, 1618 members.
Fair point but lurkers v Members has been debated to death and we will never get a concensus. The forum still runs very sucessfully under Admins guidance, but perhaps a section with additional members perks could help the honest reviewer  :hi:

d00fer

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That said, it's not easy for someone from another area of the country to see the various groups of 'popular' regional girls without trawling through many, many reviews.

Which led me to thinking about how convenient it would be to have a regional UKP hot list or top 10 or whatever, based solely on the number of positive reviews each girl has accumulated on here in her particular region.

I like the concept, but can't see how you could get a workable automated system in place without it being so obviously gameable. In the absence of 'members' perks, which I'm not advocating, the trawling and research needed for someone to make an informed decision on their punts is one of the few differentiators between lazy lurkers and lazy 'members' ("recommendations please" with no criteria as an example), which I quite like.

password02

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Not in favour of something that so easily spoon feeds lurkers that don't contribute to the site.

The site has had 25,570 visitors today - 23,952 GUESTS, 1618 members.

+1000% - Too many ''Guest'' who take all the positives and give nothing back -

 

west8

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Not in favour of something that so easily spoon feeds lurkers that don't contribute to the site.

The site has had 25,570 visitors today - 23,952 GUESTS, 1618 members.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that for every 10 non-contributing lurkers, the site receives one new, contributing member. A conversion/success rate of 10%.

That's a reasonable cost/benefit ratio which will (over time) draw new members and therefore new information / reviews to the site.

There are still hundreds or thousands of unreviewed girls on AW and likely many dozens more arriving each week.

The only way any site such as this could ever hope to have the 'manpower' to test drive a good majority is by attracting new members.

The site already has great success in so doing because of two factors:

1. The Reviews;
2. Top Google search rankings for virtually every AW girl reviewed on here.

To use the information already available on the site in a more targeted, focused way would only help to build on both of the above - and in so doing, organically expand the contributing membership.

Like password, I find the 'lurker' issue frustrating. I get private messages every day from '0' post members asking questions and whilst I answer most, it's getting a bit tiresome and time consuming. But the simple fact of the matter is that ANY site on ANY topic which has no paid subscription nor paywall is ALWAYS going to have a problem with lurkers.

If we can convince those lurkers to convert to contributors by offering them click-bait and the opportunity to secure a good punt, it's more than likely they will want to come back on here and return the favour in due course.

Offline Mr Br1ghts1de

For the sake of argument, let's assume that for every 10 non-contributing lurkers, the site receives one new, contributing member. A conversion/success rate of 10%.

That's a reasonable cost/benefit ratio which will (over time) draw new members and therefore new information / reviews to the site.

There are still hundreds or thousands of unreviewed girls on AW and likely many dozens more arriving each week.

The only way any site such as this could ever hope to have the 'manpower' to test drive a good majority is by attracting new members.

The site already has great success in so doing because of two factors:

1. The Reviews;
2. Top Google search rankings for virtually every AW girl reviewed on here.

To use the information already available on the site in a more targeted, focused way would only help to build on both of the above - and in so doing, organically expand the contributing membership.

Like password, I find the 'lurker' issue frustrating. I get private messages every day from '0' post members asking questions and whilst I answer most, it's getting a bit tiresome and time consuming. But the simple fact of the matter is that ANY site on ANY topic which has no paid subscription nor paywall is ALWAYS going to have a problem with lurkers.

If we can convince those lurkers to convert to contributors by offering them click-bait and the opportunity to secure a good punt, it's more than likely they will want to come back on here and return the favour in due course.

Fair points, but I think this site is better and richer for not having 'Top 10 Lists'.

And I think it has just as much chance of converting lurkers by letting them discover that richness, rather than just allowing them to jump to instant solutions for top girls.

By all means have instant solutions for them in terms of things to avoid.

My thoughts only.

306

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its nik or moderators choice that decide what they like
site is running well i think  but  of course things can always be tried or changed
but only the two above can do that so
how long is a piece of string
or my cat is blacker than your cat
or my dad s bigger that your dad
we will see when and if they deciede on change
NOT BEFORE !!!!!!!!!
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west8 on paper it sounds like a good idea, but trust me it isn't for the reasons mentioned. One of the best things about this site is it isn't a competition, especially between prossies, like on prossienet.

Offline NightKid

Another point we seem to miss; the more positive reviews a WG gets, the closer she is to "UKP darling" status. And as history has shown us many times before, prossies who are held in such regard have nowhere to go but down.

Part of the fault of why these girls reach that ridiculous level lies with punters who proclaim themselves "members of the fanclub" also.
Oh, you found a good'un? Great. What, she does threesomes too? Okay, nice to know. You reviewed her with another well-known girl, again? Zzzzzzz.

I swear, sometimes I think some of us just punt to brag. She's a prostitute, not a rockstar people.

Offline akauya

Another point we seem to miss; the more positive reviews a WG gets, the closer she is to "UKP darling" status. And as history has shown us many times before, prossies who are held in such regard have nowhere to go but down.

Part of the fault of why these girls reach that ridiculous level lies with punters who proclaim themselves "members of the fanclub" also.
Oh, you found a good'un? Great. What, she does threesomes too? Okay, nice to know. You reviewed her with another well-known girl, again? Zzzzzzz.

I swear, sometimes I think some of us just punt to brag. She's a prostitute, not a rockstar people.

Excellent post - my thoughts exactly  :hi:

Offline Sedlmayer

Excellent post - my thoughts exactly  :hi:

Yup, me too. The usual suspects get too much attention from their fanboys as it is, without turning reviews into a premiership league table.

Offline Sedlmayer

west8 on paper it sounds like a good idea, but trust me it isn't for the reasons mentioned. One of the best things about this site is it isn't a competition, especially between prossies, like on prossienet.

Ali - the thing is though, that some people think it is...... :thumbsdown:

Offline smiths

Another point we seem to miss; the more positive reviews a WG gets, the closer she is to "UKP darling" status. And as history has shown us many times before, prossies who are held in such regard have nowhere to go but down.

Part of the fault of why these girls reach that ridiculous level lies with punters who proclaim themselves "members of the fanclub" also.
Oh, you found a good'un? Great. What, she does threesomes too? Okay, nice to know. You reviewed her with another well-known girl, again? Zzzzzzz.

I swear, sometimes I think some of us just punt to brag. She's a prostitute, not a rockstar people.

Absolutely, its punting NOT pulling, anyone with the cash can do it, it makes me cringe when punters brag about WGs.

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lots of cash lots of pussy
unlimited cash unlimited pussy
your level of cash is your limit
nothing else unless you break your dick or
break the law !!

Offline akauya

Right... I found it. I knew west8's thread reminded me of Vorian's similar thread requesting a "Hall of Fame" gallery of prossies (the only difference that west8 wants it split by regions). Most of us thought it was a bad idea then and still think so now.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=25890.0



My reply on that thread was:

Rogues gallery - Yes

Hall of Fame - definitely not. It will be full of fluffies fawning about their favourite prossie or "specialist establishment". No thanks. The search button and requests for info does a good job as it is.

... and as it happens still stands.

Offline NightKid

Right... I found it. I knew west8's thread reminded me of Vorian's similar thread requesting a "Hall of Fame" gallery of prossies (the only difference that west8 wants it split by regions). Most of us thought it was a bad idea then and still think so now.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=25890.0

That's a nice find ak ... if I may say so myself.  :D

west8

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Right... I found it. I knew west8's thread reminded me of Vorian's similar thread requesting a "Hall of Fame" gallery of prossies (the only difference that west8 wants it split by regions). Most of us thought it was a bad idea then and still think so now.

I don't give a fuck about Vorian's suggestion (whoever he is). Also, if you re-read this thread, opinion seems pretty evenly divided between the 'yays' and the 'nays'.

We all know there are only two people who have the authority on this fine site to make such a change, but I will point out one important factor that those criticising the popularity of some girls on here are missing:

They are popular for a reason: they give consistently good service. You all know I'm no fan of Platinum Cindy and will never meet her, but fuck me if she is fucking the brains out of every punter on here and leaving them happy as Larry, then isn't it in the best interests of EVERYONE that 'talent' is highlighted for all to see ... as long as that talent maintains a world class service. Consistently.

Yes, we could all argue that a trickle of punters turns to a flood as a girl gets more and more popular reviews.

But I tell you one thing NO-ONE can deny: this forum has far more influence on ANY WGs rate than any other. To suggest that the girls somehow play the tune and we all dance is absolute bollocks.

If anything, we're the ones setting the agenda here.

OldAdmin

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If anyone wants to make a "hotlist", or any kind of personal list, I'd recommend you use PuntingWiki to do it.

For personal lists, it should be a page INSIDE in your own profile, like this:
External Link/Members Only

But if the list is objective and not personal, then it can be on the main site, like this:
External Link/Members Only

Note the difference in URL, the first page is within a profile (User:Test/Hotlist), the second is dedicated Wiki page.

I could add links on your UKP profile to your personal Wiki pages.

west8

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If anyone wants to make a "hotlist", or any kind of personal list, I'd recommend you use PuntingWiki to do it.

For personal lists, it should be a page INSIDE in your own profile, like this:
External Link/Members Only

But if the list is objective and not personal, then it can be on the main site, like this:
External Link/Members Only

Note the difference in URL, the first page is within a profile (User:Test/Hotlist), the second is dedicated Wiki page.

I could add links on your UKP profile to your personal Wiki pages.

 :drinks: Admin!

Online HappyandLucky

Be interested to see how this develops on wiki  :hi:

BeesKnees

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I don't think grading them with a rank will help. As always, your mileage may vary!

Also the fluffies will be at each other deciding who's number 1. They'll list every single sex act, whisper, glance and fart, the girl ever did to put their girl to number 1.

Off topic but are fluffies the hipsters of the punting world? But in their case, instead of stopping liking something because it's too popular, they shout even harder that they're still doing it!

west8

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I don't think grading them with a rank will help. As always, your mileage may vary!

Also the fluffies will be at each other deciding who's number 1. They'll list every single sex act, whisper, glance and fart, the girl ever did to put their girl to number 1.

Off topic but are fluffies the hipsters of the punting world? But in their case, instead of stopping liking something because it's too popular, they shout even harder that they're still doing it!

They already are 'graded' - by the number of positive reviews on here.

eg Adele is currently #1 for London by Positive Reviews. You can guess who the other nine of the top ten are.  :drinks:

Offline NightKid

They already are 'graded' - by the number of positive reviews on here.

eg Adele is currently #1 for London by Positive Reviews. You can guess who the other nine of the top ten are.

No, they aren't - that's what your stupid sorting system is trying to achieve.

Just because a prossie is popular, doesn't mean she's the best. It just means the fluffy brigade is pointlessly re-reviewing the girl multiple times.

west8

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No, they aren't - that's what your stupid sorting system is trying to achieve.

Just because a prossie is popular, doesn't mean she's the best. It just means the fluffy brigade is pointlessly re-reviewing the girl multiple times.

Open your eyes, dickhead. Then you will see the ' and ' either side of the word graded.

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Definition of grade in English:
 
noun

1 A particular level of rank

Or are you telling me that 40 reviews is not a higher number than 35 reviews?

Offline Sedlmayer

They already are 'graded' - by the number of positive reviews on here.

eg Adele is currently #1 for London by Positive Reviews. You can guess who the other nine of the top ten are.  :drinks:

Admin has told you what you can do about setting this up, so off you go and set it up  :timeout: I don't get the impression that anyone else is going to do it for you.

I think it's a useless idea, but some who can't be bothered to do any research may find it useful  :unknown:

Offline NightKid

Open your eyes, dickhead. Then you will see the ' and ' either side of the word graded.

Or are you telling me that 40 reviews is not a higher number than 35 reviews?

Do you have trouble understanding English, numbnuts? I already addressed your 'graded' remark earlier.

Just because a prossie is popular (i.e. has the most reviews or whatever), doesn't mean she's the best. It just means the fluffy brigade is pointlessly re-reviewing the girl multiple times.

So no, a 40 review girl isn't deservingly better than a 5 or 35 review one.
And as Sedlmayer said, Admin has told what you can do about your idea ... my advice would be to shove it where the sun doesn't shine.  :hi:

Offline shagbambi

We have all been complaining about recent price increases and difficulty in booking our favourite girls in various threads over the past few days.  Having lists will only make these problems worse.

UKP effectively does this once a year where punters post their five best punts. It becomes fairly obvious who the best girls are in this thread and that is more than enough publicity for them beyond their review counts both on her and AW.

Offline Mr Br1ghts1de

We have all been complaining about recent price increases and difficulty in booking our favourite girls in various threads over the past few days.  Having lists will only make these problems worse.

UKP effectively does this once a year where punters post their five best punts. It becomes fairly obvious who the best girls are in this thread and that is more than enough publicity for them beyond their review counts both on her and AW.

Agreed.

Offline Sedlmayer

We have all been complaining about recent price increases and difficulty in booking our favourite girls in various threads over the past few days.  Having lists will only make these problems worse.

Totally agree - these proposed lists will drive the top girls' prices up and also make them effectively unbookable. Unfortunately, this will most likely have the effect of driving other girls' prices up too. The "going rate" will increase as a result of such a scheme of ratings. The only people who will benefit from these lists will be the prostitutes and lazy lurking cunts who can't be bothered to read a few reviews.

west8

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Totally agree - these proposed lists will drive the top girls' prices up and also make them effectively unbookable. Unfortunately, this will most likely have the effect of driving other girls' prices up too. The "going rate" will increase as a result of such a scheme of ratings. The only people who will benefit from these lists will be the prostitutes and lazy lurking cunts who can't be bothered to read a few reviews.

Nonsense. Price increases = less demand = increased availability = revision of rate.

That is elementary level economics.

BeesKnees

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Example of iphone 5 to iphone 6

Price increase, more demand, less availability, massive queues globally

 :D

Offline Bangers and Gash

Nonsense. Price increases = less demand = increased availability = revision of rate.

That is elementary level economics.

 :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

Looks like the only person to agree with westorian8 is himself.

Have you thought about becoming a campaign manager for the Lib Dems? They could use someone with your intellect.  ;)

Type_O_Negative

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Nonsense. Price increases = less demand = increased availability = revision of rate.

That is elementary level economics.

My the other hobby is photography. I'm Leica user. Just to have a look on "Made in Germany" photo gear prices. In Leica's world higher prices mean higher demand. Economy doesn't work here.

west8

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Example of iphone 5 to iphone 6

Price increase, more demand, less availability, massive queues globally

Only Apple produce and sell iPhones. That is commonly known as a monopoly.

Again, elementary level economics and irrelevant to the highly competitive and unregulated paid sex market.

Offline Sedlmayer

Nonsense. Price increases = less demand = increased availability = revision of rate.

That is elementary level economics.

Have you ever heard of price in-elasticity of demand?

BeesKnees

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Only Apple produce and sell iPhones. That is commonly known as a monopoly.

Again, elementary level economics and irrelevant to the highly competitive and unregulated paid sex market.

You deleted my smiley! It was posted in jest and now your reply puts me out of context. A good technique to twist words and look like the better person in a discussion!  :hi:

Quesadilla

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Totally don't see the point of the regional top 10 proposed for all the negative reasons mentioned - will be skewed by fluffies, possibly make popular girls even more un-bookable, and most important does not account for personal taste - a great point well made by Puntico early on.
 
Like many I still mostly rely on the reviews of certain trusted punters who I know have similar taste to me. 

At the end of the day I don't just bookmark reviews in my area - when new reviews come up anywhere in the country I still at least click the AW link and if she looks my type I HL her. I have regional HL's for London, SE, SW, Midlands, North and Scotland, all areas I know I may visit on my travels.  I know for example that in Scotlans Tazman has similar taste to me so I've been through all his reviews and HL'd a bunch.  Still hoping to do a tour later this year. 

That to me seems a better approach than some kind of aggregated list as we don't all like the same things from a punt.

I do like the idea of using a personal Punting Wiki page as a "top of the pops" list.  That way rather than trawling through 20 or more reviews for one punter, you could instantly see their top picks/favourites. Great suggestion from Admin.  :hi:

Offline Mr Br1ghts1de

Totally don't see the point of the regional top 10 proposed for all the negative reasons mentioned - will be skewed by fluffies, possibly make popular girls even more un-bookable, and most important does not account for personal taste - a great point well made by Puntico early on.
 
Like many I still mostly rely on the reviews of certain trusted punters who I know have similar taste to me. 

At the end of the day I don't just bookmark reviews in my area - when new reviews come up anywhere in the country I still at least click the AW link and if she looks my type I HL her. I have regional HL's for London, SE, SW, Midlands, North and Scotland, all areas I know I may visit on my travels.  I know for example that in Scotlans Tazman has similar taste to me so I've been through all his reviews and HL'd a bunch.  Still hoping to do a tour later this year. 

That to me seems a better approach than some kind of aggregated list as we don't all like the same things from a punt.

I do like the idea of using a personal Punting Wiki page as a "top of the pops" list.  That way rather than trawling through 20 or more reviews for one punter, you could instantly see their top picks/favourites. Great suggestion from Admin.  :hi:

Excellent post.  :thumbsup:

I try and do so the same with regional hotlists.