To the leeches

[stampjones]

Have you posted only a few times and most of those are asking for information? Have you been a member for a while but only ever read reviews without posting?  Then you are a worthless leech. There seems to be more and more people like that recently and it winds the crap out of me because it goes against everything this site stands for abd I fucking hate you for that. But wait a minute. It doesnt have to be that way.

Here's the thing. This is a community. Its about us helping each other, not the rest of us helping you. Here's an example (not to try and make myself seem like some super forum excelsior member but just because I know this better.).

A few months ago I found I was spending most of my time doing FBSM in chinese massage shops in London. I wondered if there were any good places I didnt know about. At that point I could have posted a new thread asking for info. If I had I might even have avoided the venom that leeches typically get as I had contributed some reviews etc, but probably the thread would have gotten a few replies and died. But I didnt do that. Didnt even think about it. Instead I thought, wouldn't it be cool if there was a thread where people who liked what I like could share information.

So I created a thread.

But I didnt just create a thread asking for info. The first thing I did was write some reviews. I contributed. I didnt ask for anything. But soon lots of other people who liked what I did were contributing too. They werent asking for anything either but we were all gaining knowledge. One guy on there, Sparkus, must have visited and reported back on every fucking shop in London. Never asked for anything yet people went out of their way to tell him stuff. The people on that thread are awesome because we all help each other. Thats what this place is about. Give and you will get!

It happens in almost every thread where people contribute. Again, in London, look at the bb avoidance thread. BM - who started it - didnt ask who was giving bb - he started giving information that helps everyone. Him and FCB contribute amazing amounts of information to that thread which helps everyone and they expect nothing. But they (hopefully) get back what they want - Information

Look at the guys who have been here for years. Smiths, pumps, marmalade (to name a few). Look at their posts. Almost all of what they post is giving. Theyre not asking for shit, they're providing information. Thats what makes this site work.

So if you posted a question after 3 posts in which you gave nothing and are getting a lot of shit, dont take it personally (yet). This place works - and works so fucking brilliantly - because people contribute (and because admin is fucking relentlessbut thats another story) and we all care passionately about that. Thats why we hate fucking leeches - thats why we get angry.

So if you think about asking a question, stop and think could you create something where people could share instead - and can you start it off by giving some information (actually first use the fucking search facility but I guess we all fail on that at least once). If you still need to ask something - check your post history. If you arent giving information in more of your posts than you are asking for it, then you are a leech. Contribute for a while and then ask.

In the words of some old dead dude - ask not what ukp can do for you but what you can do for ukp.

[sparkus]

Or people who PM to ask for things that could be found here in seconds.

Or people who PM to ask about the anatomy of women reviewed where it's all spelt out already, but they want to know about her arse size.

[Placebo88]

Not sure what you are looking for with this besides a pat on the head. The site already gets loads of contributions and is far larger and better than any other punting site past or present. It is already working just fine. Any forum will have a majority of non contributors. Most of UKP is readable without a membership. Knowing that these punters also pay attention to UKP gives the site more weight in influencing how escorts operate and what they are able to get away with by reaching a greater proportion of their potential customers.

If you don't want to answer a question then don't, what's the fuss? The answer could be of interest to far more members than the asker alone though.

Ive not seen your FBSM thread, plenty exist on my regional boards and serve their purpose. I do not think the BB Avoidance thread is of any noteworthy benefit, it says nothing beyond the blatant ones who openly list bareback, but no harm to me if it exists or not. I will answer and contribute to the threads that interest me, I will not be offended by someone asking for information, simply give or not give.

[Murray Mint]

There are, allegedly, over 135,000 members of this board and I suggest to you that less than 1% of them actively contribute. As I write this there have been in the last half-hour some 400 members on line and a further 900 ‘guests.’  Virtually all of them are not posting anything, but are probably taking advantage of all the reviews and perhaps some of the posts.

Think of them what you like, but this is the consequences of an open forum and if it’s going to ‘wind the crap out of you’ then keep an eye on your blood pressure or you’ll end up in an early grave!......

[OldAdmin]

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[vw]

Better they are here leeching than helping biased review sites earn money through pimp adverts.

[Murray Mint]

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The '1% rule.' New to me, but there you go! 

[Horizontal pleasures]

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VERY interesting.

What I find upsetting or worrying is those who make negative or grumbling comments without actually contributing reviews.

[stampjones]

Not sure what you are looking for with this besides a pat on the head. The site already gets loads of contributions and is far larger and better than any other punting site past or present. It is already working just fine. Any forum will have a majority of non contributors. Most of UKP is readable without a membership. Knowing that these punters also pay attention to UKP gives the site more weight in influencing how escorts operate and what they are able to get away with by reaching a greater proportion of their potential customers.

If you don't want to answer a question then don't, what's the fuss? The answer could be of interest to far more members than the asker alone though.

Ive not seen your FBSM thread, plenty exist on my regional boards and serve their purpose. I do not think the BB Avoidance thread is of any noteworthy benefit, it says nothing beyond the blatant ones who openly list bareback, but no harm to me if it exists or not. I will answer and contribute to the threads that interest me, I will not be offended by someone asking for information, simply give or not give.

Not looking for a pat on the back. Was just a rant I guess. People who have no posts but get on here and start demanding information really piss me off and I wa attempting to persuade them of the benefits of joining in. Not sure why I included lurkers tbh - as pointed out they do no damage and make up most of the internet. Probably just my latent anger management issues. The threads/people I mentioned were just examples - nothing is useful to everyone I guess.

[daviemac]

Not looking for a pat on the back. Was just a rant I guess. People who have no posts but get on here and start demanding information really piss me off and I wa attempting to persuade them of the benefits of joining in. Not sure why I included lurkers tbh - as pointed out they do no damage and make up most of the internet. Probably just my latent anger management issues. The threads/people I mentioned were just examples - nothing is useful to everyone I guess.

Couldn't be arsed to read all of your original ramblings but reading this, the answer's simple, respond to posts that interests you and ignore the ones that don't.

If you only want to help members with a certain amount of posts that's your choice but everyone was new once and started with 0 post count.     

[Sailormack]

OP.... what would you do if you posted a glowing review of a girl and then the lurkers booked her out and you then could not see her?

[stampjones]

OP.... what would you do if you posted a glowing review of a girl and then the lurkers booked her out and you then could not see her?

Um wait? Not sure what point you are making. How would I even know if it was lurkers or members with 50 reviews that had booked her.

[sparkus]

I don't think OP's well-made point is 100% about lurkers, more the lazy twats who come on here and expect us to hold their hand to the fucking door rather than do any spadework themselves.

[vw]

I don't think OP's well-made point is 100% about lurkers, more the lazy twats who come on here and expect us to hold their hand to the fucking door rather than do any spadework themselves.

Like this one who is getting exactly what he asked for 

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=159143.0

[GreyDave]

  Lest we forget we were once like many of the younger lads who find this place and don't quiet get how it works even school boys start on this hobby at some time. (as I did a long time ago a weeks 2 paper rounds paid for 1st shag of a Singapore girl in Soho in 70`s)

When I tried a slightly more expensive hobby the instructor (a lady in her 40`s) told me;
 "There are no Stupid questions, always ask but remember some of the answers will be stupid, from people who should know better and some of the best answers will be from stupid people, who want to be better."

That`s was pretty good advice to me as a 20 year old who had had 40-60 year olds talking bollocks to me to see if they could get result.. It reminded me of Trumps comments to the young reporter about what you could do to women when you got famous,(and did not have to pay  )  he was just trying to get a rise. Or the old guy who sends the lad to stores for a " Long weight" maybe some of those guys are on here now     

[stampjones]

Lest we forget we were once like many of the younger lads who find this place and don't quiet get how it works even school boys start on this hobby at some time. (as I did a long time ago a weeks 2 paper rounds paid for 1st shag of a Singapore girl in Soho in 70`s)

When I tried a slightly more expensive hobby the instructor (a lady in her 40`s) told me;
 "There are no Stupid questions, always ask but remember some of the answers will be stupid, from people who should know better and some of the best answers will be from stupid people, who want to be better."

That`s was pretty good advice to me as a 20 year old who had had 40-60 year olds talking bollocks to me to see if they could get result.. It reminded me of Trumps comments to the young reporter about what you could do to women when you got famous,(and did not have to pay  )  he was just trying to get a rise. Or the old guy who sends the lad to stores for a " Long weight" maybe some of those guys are on here now 

Yeah I agree there are some who dont get it which is why I rambled on for so long trying to explain what I think are the benefits of contributing. However there are also those like sparkus mentions who are just too lazy to bother. I think if you had the stats it would come out that most people with very low post count who start a thread asking a question either immediately vanish into the ether or are banned as trolls.

[pking_paul]

There's a balance to be made when seeming to invite new and inexperienced members in versus keeping out troll trash and such low life. Sometimes comments to newbies are pretty harsh so I can't say I'm that surprised if they don't do anything but lurk.

[cueball]

Sometimes comments to newbies are pretty harsh so I can't say I'm that surprised if they don't do anything but lurk.

Maybe, but ukp is predominantly grown up men, we're not going to dish out cuddles willy nilly 

When I joined up I mentioned it in confession to my local vicar....

She said... "aahh, ukp, put in and thou shalt receive 10 fold back... amen"

On the other hand, they can wait for me to open the cage... it's all about contribution and exchanging info imo

[mrhappypants]

I think there is good counsel here to be tolerant of newbies posting questions rather than reviews. 

When I first started on this site I had only a handful of punts under my belt and it took a bit of time to build my confidence and write my first review.  For any lurker reading this thread who is feeling brave I suggest
1) Spend an hour reading reviews of the last couple of pages that catch your interest - checking the style of the review
2) Read the guide on the UKP wiki to review writing - you only need to cover the points in the summary at the top. External Link/Members Only
3) Write a draft review of any girl you have seen in the last three months trying to keep it balanced - only positive or negatives are sometimes a sign of a tout or slagging off the competition. 

Reviews are the lifeblood of the board.  Share your experience and you will find this a much more interesting place.

[vw]

Sometimes comments to newbies are pretty harsh so I can't say I'm that surprised if they don't do anything but lurk.

The site still grown to record levels so must be a system that works.

[bigmanbigman]

Admin has a site that works end of.

[Home Alone]

But isn't it like that in many walks of life?

Some of the people who live in the same block of flats as me volunteer to be on our Management Committee. Last week we had the AGM; there were, at most, a dozen of the 42 flat-owners there.

Yes; the OP may have been having a rant and I agree with everything he wrote but I fear we're stuck with the 'leeches'.

And before anyone asks, I did 4 years on the Management Committee - it scarred me more than almost any other experience I've had!

[daviemac]

Yes; the OP may have been having a rant and I agree with everything he wrote but I fear we're stuck with the 'leeches'.

Admin runs the sit the way he wants and it works, it's growing all the time. Why whinge on about what others do, help newbies, don't help newbies, take the piss or just ignore them whatever suits.

The main thing is use the site in a way that works for you, enjoy it and let Admin worry about the rest. He already has restrictions in place.   

[Thecunninglinguist]

The ones who really annoy me are those that ask questions that even the most rudementary of searches here or AW would have answered and even when someone has done the legwork for them, they come back with stupid suplimentary questions, equally easily answered. I think most who do this never actually get round to seeing a WG because they are too scared to and are just looking for a reason to justify not seeing one.
As Admin does this out of the goodness of his heart and the site does not rely on "click through" advertising. Therefore it doesn't rely on non contributors for income. An idea could be that if someone registers and does not contribute in a meaningful way after a pre determined time, they would be deleted?.
I am just putting my fourpene'th in, it remains Admin's train set and he will no doubt play with it as he likes.

[Blackpool Rock]

Agree with some of the comments above about having to help out new members and encourage them to contribute pointing them in the direction of doing some homework and posting suggestions on girls they are considering.

Leeches on the other hand tend to have been members for a while who have had an opportunity to contribute but decide not to then come on asking and almost demanding information, banning often follow quickly when their back goes up and they start to rant.

What the non contributors don't get is that info also gets shared between trusted members by PM tipping them off on a good girl before they post a review etc.
It's all proportional really and i'm not sure why some people expect to take out but give nothing whatsoever back, those that do contribute and are trusted by others would probably also say they feel they get more back from the site than they put in

[cueball]

those that do contribute and are trusted by others would probably also say they feel they get more back from the site than they put in

I've said that many times. I get out of ukp far more than I'd ever be able to put in.

[OldAdmin]

This old post of mine with my opinion on the matter:

Many years ago when I left good feedback on AdultWork for prossies it was to help my fellow punters, this 'keeping a gem to myself' is not something I do. I first knew other punters thought this way only after a prossie told me so during a punt, it being his reason for not leaving her feedback. If a prossie had zero feedback and turned out to be genuine and good punt, I would quickly leave her feedback to notify all those considering her that she was genuine not fake and to go ahead booking her.
This was the 2007-2009 days before UKPunting.

If I was still in the UK now I would post reviews regardless if anyone was "leeching" of my reviews and info and giving me nothing back, if they had a good punt then I'd be pleased to have helped a fellow punter.

So a prossie gets popular after I leave her raving feedback and I struggle to see her again because she's fully booked up, the fact I helped my fellow punters is more important than me being affected.

I run another site that is unrelated to sex but also has review system, and again it's the same as UKP, only a fraction of visitors to the site are ones who post, there is a Wikipedia page dedicated to this topic:
External Link/Members Only

And not forgetting this is a free site, I spend my time and effort to maintain it, and get nothing in return apart from the satisfaction that I'm helping other punters to share info, which is more important than some dirty money I could make from letting prossies and agency pimps advertise. If everyone was always wanting something in return, then UKP wouldn't be here as it is, instead it will be some website owners who wants to make as much money as possible.

[Ozy84]

This old post of mine with my opinion on the matter:

I think the case is arrested.....

[daviemac]

I think the case is arrested.....

I think it's just another example of the search facility not being used to find previous threads on the subject of reviews and leeches.     

[stampjones]

I think it's just another example of the search facility not being used to find previous threads on the subject of reviews and leeches.     

How do you work that out? Where did I say that leeches should be banned or pretty much anything that contradicts what admin said (other than including lurkers which was a mistake on my part). My point was a plea to people who are asking questions to contribute first and giving reasons why I thought it was a good idea. i see nothing at all wrong with doing that 

[daviemac]

How do you work that out? Where did I say that leeches should be banned or pretty much anything that contradicts what admin said (other than including lurkers which was a mistake on my part). My point was a plea to people who are asking questions to contribute first and giving reasons why I thought it was a good idea. i see nothing at all wrong with doing that 

Where did I mention the word 'banned' ?

One of your complaints is people not using the search facility prior to posting   

actually first use the fucking search facility

  and it just seemed a bit ironic to me that if you had done so you would've seen several previous multi page threads on the subject of people not reviewing and leeching, complete with Admin's comments.

As I said previously help, don't help, take the piss or ignore, use the site in a way that works for you and don't worry what other do.   

[tantric talents]

I've said that many times. I get out of ukp far more than I'd ever be able to put in.

+1
However
Lurkers eventually may learn
But Leeches.. just suck

[overdone]

Don't worry they go back to school next week & they dont have the money to see escorts anyway.

[Vkcs20]

Most of my punts have been abroad!... and visited a few massage places here...Not much to write on.

But if anyone wants to know about Amsterdam or prague then by all means pm me.

[Merlin28]

Apparently I am one, Leeche that is.
So after reading this thread I decided to write a review.
My review has been deleted because I don't post only read.
I did not know you had to be a regular poster to submit reviews, if there is something in the rules about post counts can someone point this out to me.

[cueball]

Most of my punts have been abroad!... and visited a few massage places here...Not much to write on.

But if anyone wants to know about Amsterdam or prague then by all means pm me.

There you go....
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?board=31.0

Fill those boards up 

[tantric talents]

There you go....
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?board=31.0

Methinks perhaps it's time to rename that " Guide to punting in Europe" ?

[OldAdmin]

Apparently I am one, Leeche that is.
So after reading this thread I decided to write a review.
My review has been deleted because I don't post only read.
I did not know you had to be a regular poster to submit reviews, if there is something in the rules about post counts can someone point this out to me.

It was deleted because it reads like an advert.

[Merlin28]

It was deleted because it reads like an advert.

Sorry I didn't no that. I will try and do a better one next time. If that is ok

[Blackpool Rock]

Sorry I didn't no that. I will try and do a better one next time. If that is ok

There are a few links at the bottom of the page to the punting wiki, one is a guide to writing reviews, may be worth taking a look and also reading a few other reviews on her to see what works
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[Merlin28]

There are a few links at the bottom of the page to the punting wiki, one is a guide to writing reviews, may be worth taking a look and also reading a few other reviews on her to see what works
External Link/Members Only

Thanks I will have a look   
I am not the most literate person and have never done a review before

[sparkus]

Thanks I will have a look   
I am not the most literate person and have never done a review before

Some are not much more than this, so just stick to the facts and you'll be fine.

[Zimbaman]

I have nothing against lurkers. They contribute in my view, by reading our reviews. WGs know about this site because of the sheer number of readers. They care about it because of those numbers. Take away the lurkers and you are left with the significantly reduced spending power of the 1%, and all of a sudden poorly performing WGs couldn't care less about a red review as the readership is so small.

Bring on the lurkers I say. 

[flagrunner]

I guess I'm a leech. However, after lurking and asking for a while, I finally feel that I know enough about the scene to start punting. I've posted my first review and there are more to come. Without getting informed on here I probably wouldn't even punt as I originally thought it was illegal.

What I'm saying is that there is always going to be an element of leeching. People curious but unsure. The reasonable people on here accept (and embrace) that this is a community and that what you get, you return in the form of reviews and advice for others. Sadly there will be those who just take and never give but it's the same in all forums.

Not sure what can be done to remedy the situation to be honest.

[cueball]

I have nothing against lurkers. They contribute in my view, by reading our reviews. WGs know about this site because of the sheer number of readers. They care about it because of those numbers. Take away the lurkers and you are left with the significantly reduced spending power of the 1%, and all of a sudden poorly performing WGs couldn't care less about a red review as the readership is so small.

In truth, that's quite a good point.... the numbers give ukp the leverage it has.

[stampjones]

I guess I'm a leech. However, after lurking and asking for a while, I finally feel that I know enough about the scene to start punting. I've posted my first review and there are more to come. Without getting informed on here I probably wouldn't even punt as I originally thought it was illegal.

What I'm saying is that there is always going to be an element of leeching. People curious but unsure. The reasonable people on here accept (and embrace) that this is a community and that what you get, you return in the form of reviews and advice for others. Sadly there will be those who just take and never give but it's the same in all forums.

Not sure what can be done to remedy the situation to be honest.

Idont think you are a leech - you contributed. No-one expects you to contribute when you have nothing to say. What would have made you a leech imo is if after starting to punt based on the info you got here you didnt put anything back. Or if you already had info but you just expected answers to your questions without giving back. As others have pointed out everyone has to start somewhere. Welcome to the site 

[stampjones]

I have nothing against lurkers. They contribute in my view, by reading our reviews. WGs know about this site because of the sheer number of readers. They care about it because of those numbers. Take away the lurkers and you are left with the significantly reduced spending power of the 1%, and all of a sudden poorly performing WGs couldn't care less about a red review as the readership is so small.

Bring on the lurkers I say. 

I also have nothing against lurkers - I shouldnt have included them in my original post - was just being a bit ranty and I cast my net too wide. Every single person is probably a lurker on some site or other.

[Sailormack]

Um wait? Not sure what point you are making. How would I even know if it was lurkers or members with 50 reviews that had booked her.

So it wouldn't bother you and you would just move on to spending your time looking for the next gem?

How many times would it need to happen before you connected the dots?

[RedKettle]

So it wouldn't bother you and you would just move on to spending your time looking for the next gem?

How many times would it need to happen before you connected the dots?

is that why you have contributed no reviews

thanks for your input

if we all had that attitude UKP would not last long.  Good job Admin's view (as expressed above) is different - or is that another fact you will swerve?

[Placebo88]

So it wouldn't bother you and you would just move on to spending your time looking for the next gem?

How many times would it need to happen before you connected the dots?

What are you advocating? Not writing reviews of escorts who you want to book again or making any comment on them? Keeping your gems hidden?

The forum darlings of UKP are for the most part still fairly easy to book, and you never know, your keeping quiet may cause her to go out of business due to lack of publicity.