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Author Topic: The internet Age Gate "AgeId" from April this year,  (Read 1267 times)

xharry4x

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From April all Adult sites will be effectively "banned" in the UK, to gain access the user will have to register their details with what some are saying is a unsavory provider appointed by the Government, MindGeek is a large porn/adult content provider who have been accused in the past of sharp practice. The user will have to provide their name, address, phone number, possibly National Insurance/Passport Number and compulsory, credit card details to prove age, which will be stored but not debited (or that's the idea!!)
From April all of who use this site, other punting sites and any adult site will have to hand over our complete identies and home addresses to MindGeek and in turn the State.
Is this censorship and step too far or much overdue control of adult content?

Offline HarryZZ

If that does happen, then it'll just about shit everything down for a month as people try to register, I don't have a credit card so I don't know what I'd do, I know people think these sites generate lots of money, but it's a rolling program, constant outlay and income, stop the income even temporarily and t could be disastrous for them.

I'm sure there'll be a way around it, 14 years old geeks will have it sorted by morning play time.

xharry4x

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Offline Thecunninglinguist

Reading the BBC article. They quote a minister as saying it affects sites providing content "On a commercial basis". Therefore it may well be that this site will be exempt as it is not a commercial one. Admin, bless his little cotton socks bears any costs to provide usvwith a free to use site! Where no commercial transactions take place?

Esclar

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It suggests  in the BBC article that it will apply just to sites that provide  "pornography 'on a commercial basis' to people in the UK"

Seems  very unlikely it's going to effect this web site.
Probably not going to effect even AW, at least not to start with.

Looks like one of the main reasons is to stop young children watching porn. Even for porn, quite likely it will still be easy to watch without providing details if you get a VPN so your IP looks like it's coming from abroad.

So seems doubtful this is going to hurt the punter, and if it makes it harder for kids to watch porn, that's a good thing IMO.

Only worry would be that a few years down the line they might further tighten it up.

xharry4x

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The whole thrust of the legislation is to stop children seeing "rude" things (although even my 13 yo grandson knows more about VPN's than I do) there are very rude pics and rude things on this site, so don't hold your breath.

Offline Sticky

The law seems to focus on ISPs and content providers, leaving us little people out of danger.

From what I understood of the wording of the law, if you've already told your ISP that you're over-18 as a lot of them now ask that you are to access stuff like this, then you're okay and won't need to provide further details. Even if you do need to provide further details they'll all go to your ISP as the 'relevant person' who have everything they need already. Not sure how it'll affect stuff like PornHub and other content sites, but since they're either US based or somewhere in some tax shell haven then they won't really change.

In summary, nothing will really change for us customers but you might need to call your ISP after April and tell them you want to watch porn.

Offline Marmalade

Many ISPs require a phone call to unlock adult content, nothing more. If it's a commercial website that sells porn then you will presumably be paying for their goods -- in other words, using a credit card anyway. UKP is not only a non-commercial site, it's not based in the UK and so not subject to UK law. As for preventing kids getting access by demanding a credit card, children can have a credit card if authorised by their parents or can become authorised users of their parents' credit cards. A difficulty with trying to block minors is that they are usually far more knowledgeable about ways to get round internet blocks than their parents. The youngest convicted hacker was a mere 12 years old. Making it harder will probably encourage more criminality. By contrast, when children are brought up properly, if they're told not to do something, they actually don't do it. A better investment might be reforming teaching and parenting skills instead of all the rubbish about treating them as 'young adults'. Protecting children starts with good parenting and good schooling.

Offline Marmalade

Another way to look behind such laws is, who benefits? In this case one of the main provisions, as so often the case, is hidden innocuously almost as if it were a commonsense, obvious inclusion.

"Modifying the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 to raise the maximum sentence for Internet copyright infringement to 10 years in prison, and allowing English and Welsh courts a greater range of sentencing options in such cases."

On the surface this is all very well and good, especially from the viewpoint of smaller artists, musicians and writers who don't see much for their work. But the real interest is for the major companies (the little man won't get protected). Most of those are American. American copyright laws are brutal, taking stuff out of the public domain or guaranteeing copyright through generations, not just to an artist.

The provision wil have been added at American insistence, to cream more more from abroad. Much of it is commercial: little of it benefits the artist. It also includes another massive area which is academic publishing, where almost ALL of the profits go to the big publishing houses and almost none to the authors.

Offline myothernameis

Reading the BBC article. They quote a minister as saying it affects sites providing content "On a commercial basis". Therefore it may well be that this site will be exempt as it is not a commercial one. Admin, bless his little cotton socks bears any costs to provide usvwith a free to use site! Where no commercial transactions take place?

Wonder if the same will be said for similar sites like ukp, where they are a forum, for us to discuss various issues, so there a forum called oneclickchicks, where the forum acts as way for members to upload photos of females in various states of undress

Offline Marmalade

"Privacy advocates are fearful that MindGeek, which has over 100 million daily visitors to its sites that include PornHub and Brazzers, could create a database of adult viewing habits on a scale never seen before. MindGeek is “the largest adult entertainment operator globally,” according to the porn industry press." ... "the economics behind age verification will hit small businesses hard. MindGeek ... will charge £0.05 ($0.07) to age-verify each visitor, where cell carriers will charge £0.10 ($0.13) per visitor. Her website receives around 3,000 visitors per day, and around 0.01 percent of those are paying customers. She makes around £1,000 ($1,298) per month from the website, but age verification through the cell carrier will cost £300 ($389) per day."

So big profits to big companies. Little companies go bust. The biggest companies are governments, who want to control and maximise profits from big companies, which involves creating semi-monopolies for them that push competitors out of the market.

Offline dismister

Well the ban on the Pirate Bay worked really well, didn't it?
So I'd expect AgeID to be as successful as that.

Online Stiltskin

FFS, if they block it at the ISP level and I open it up, my whole family will know who did it! May have to resort to using my phone.

Offline Jimmyredcab

No way would I register my credit card details.   :thumbsdown:

I doubt that UKPunting would be included anyway, it is not a porn site and as I pointed out on another thread it is not banned on the free Heathrow Wi-Fi.