For those punting 20+ YEARS....What changes have you seen?

[12 MONTHS IN A YEAR]

On an average, are the WGS ,
Less or more friendly
Offering a better or worse service (eg is it harder to find good ones)
Has older women in porn resulted in more older wgs (Aunty Trisha and friends) would they have been able to work and charge what they do.
In my own mind, I would have thought once a WG hits a certain age, her price may come down a little,however the opposite seems to have happened.
More WGs conning punters?

[MrMan1973]

Outside of London it's a compltetelydifferent ballgame IMHO, it used to be street girls, parlours or back pages of the local rag. It was a PUNT in the truest sense of the word. If you found a good WG you stuck with her..
Then came %%% and it changed the scene a bit however AW was a complete gamechanger - it no longer had to be a 'punt' if you did the research.

There are loads more EE & touring WG's now.
Good WG's have more earning potential now but there's always been shite & good prossies since the dawn of time.

[dieseldriver]

My first punt was when I was aged 18 in 1967/8. Located in side street off the Edgware Rd. First floor flat with a red light on. Found her by the usual newsagents pin board, French lessons! £5 for the hour. Couldn't cum, so done a return visit. Still couldn't cum? No OWO or lube on my cock. On with the bag, and expected to pump & dump.
Experienced a few more after her. This time via the contact mags. And price crept to £10 per hour.

So what has changed? The price for starters. Then with the introduction of internet, a new way to attract customers. May be wrong, but in those days OWO didn't seem to be done? Also didn't see anal on the menu? So perhaps the level of service now improved?

Not forgetting the massage parlors with extra's were not around some 20+ years ago...... 
 

[yorky1000]

I think hygiene is the big improvement. Going back to the 70s the rooms tended to be disgusting and some of the ladies were not a lot better !!!

Having said that, I'm not sure my hygiene was exactly spotless during that era - I know a
lot better now !!!

[ruggedscot]

As with any thing 20 years is significant remember were in 2017 so twenty years ago would put us back to 1997.... thats not that far back

there were plenty of saunas back then, we didnt have the internet as easily accessible as what we have now so saunas were the easy route for some fun. quick and guaranteed so they were popular. My first sauna experience was in lady godiva's south side of glasgow, all of £15 all in I believe. that was a rub and a tug, nothing else.

services were very limited, sex was in its infancy lol

As the internet took off websites to review and advertise became more common, people could find escorts easier and that led to more girls doing it, an easy way to earn money and didnt take much to set up.

Of course more services started to be offered, you had the likes of adultwork come to the fore and then well you became amazed at just how many hookers there were. oral with out became popular then cum in mouth and anal all started to become more regular. The girls well you got more access and you could see what they were like before going along, it was a punters paradise. We are genuinely spoiled now though as it can be too easy. Its also a lot more expensive, compared to back then id say its almost doubled in real terms....

[steviex00]

I first punted in 1986. Jesus, has it been more than 30 years?
I read an expose in the local paper about how so-called massage parlours are thinly disguised brothels. Wow, who knew? I had to see for myself and my first paid-for experience ensued. Reverse massage and hand relief from a cute British beauty for the princely sum of £20 after the £5 door money.
From there I progressed from parlours to indies.
What has changed? Oral used to be mostly covered - this was the eighties after all, lots of HIV scare stories around. Certainly no bareback for this reason, thankfully. Anal on the menu? No way. I had to wait for the nineties to discover this particular pleasure (a stunning black girl in Wolverhampton, if you really want to know).
The best way to find an indie in those days was the classified section of the Daily Sport. No description, just a name and a phone number. Phoned the girls from a call box (remember them?) and took a chance based on their phone manner. You had to be careful what you asked though. I remember one day I was after something in particular and asked a few too many questions over the phone. In a delightfully thick West Country accent, the girl just said "You're wanking!" and hung up on me!
So, prices were lower but broadly equivalent to today.
Girls were almost all British.
No review sites to refer to.
No internet to help with booking.
Services much more vanilla. They have certainly developed due to the proliferation of porn.
I could pop twice in a meeting.
Oh, and pubic hair. There was much more back then!

[jawill]

Lots of changes in the past 20 years.....

.. I don't punt much anymore, it's hard work finding a decent WG these days
.. I used to always have owo but never anymore since catching Gonorreah from it many years back
.. most girls back then we're all British and hardly ever toured so you could easily book them in the same city week after week
.. looking back I visited some right dumps so I think apartments and locations many girls work from have improved
.. I guess I was also more risk averse back then, not realising the full risks of owo, or ro or a condom snapping  but these days it's something I'm always aware of
.. most reviews I referenced were on %%% back then. Many girls advertised in the back of local news papers and I would visit without any prior research.  The amount of dodgy punts I had!!!!

[12 MONTHS IN A YEAR]

Interesting to see how things have changed.

[mr.bluesky]

I think the Internet has been the biggest change. More working girls advertising on places like adultwork and gumtree, viva street etc. Not so many massage parlours about nowdays compared to twenty years ago. Saunas and massage parlours used to advertise in the local papers.

[Jonestown]

It used to be one cum and you were done, no 30 mins or one hour,  largely uk born girls, attractive ones few and far between. Bareback and OWO were readily available circa 1981/2 but went off the menu when aids surfaced and the uk government took it into their mind to terrify the heterosexual community rather than confront the issue of gays and needle using druggies.

[streetstroler]

Had a lot of success by just rolling up in a town  and buying  local paper and looking in the personal ads section to find a girl  the same day. You didn't get much of a GFE back then.

[Dipper]

The internet. 

For me parlours/back page newspaper ads ruled back then. Probably the same for many others here.

If it was a first meet then then it'd be pot luck regarding looks and appearance. Which is  Possibly hard to grasp for a modern day punter.

Yes there have been some beasts along the way, but that can still happen today. 

[12 MONTHS IN A YEAR]

I was growing up when the cards were in the window, to young to understand what they meant, until you saw the British nudge nudge wink wink type of
films let you know. As I newish to punting, in fact on a scale of 1-10 probably -0.5 cannot imagine anyway of doing this without the Internet.
You early guys were the pioneers.  .
Hope for some of you it brings back memories, for me it is fun to see how times have changed.

[One Eyed Snake]

Biggest change is the fucking price, robbing twats.

[mr.bluesky]

Have to agree but then again everything costs more today than twenty years ago.If I could meet a girl who charged 1997 prices she would have my custom  The trouble is with us men we think with our dicks and not our brains or we wouldn't punt !

[sublimetoridiculous]

The range of good, bad and really bad punts hasn't changed, hence my username.

The major difference is we can now use the internet, including this site, to improve the odds of getting a good punt.

[latecomer]

I can't really say whether the girls are more or less friendly but the price they want just keeps going up and up.  As other punters have said, the internet has changed things completely: few of those ads in newsagents now and telephone boxes (where they still exist) aren't plastered with those postcards any more.  I used to enjoy reading them.  Perhaps the biggest difference of all is the huge increase in the number of immigrant, often non-English speaking, girls.

[faggins]

Been punting, on and off, since 1986. As mentioned earlier on, the advent of the internet has, to a great extent, reduced the risk of a bad punt massively.

No more phoning a number advertised in the Sunday Sport/Exchange & Mart, cards in phone boxes and asking what services were on offer.

Because of the advent of AW, you by and large get some idea of how the WG is going to look, as opposed to being told that "the lady is an attractive busty blonde in her 20s" and trusting to luck that that was true.

Then again, technology works both ways, and e-mails/AW and mobile phones make it a lot easier for WGs to air grievances (ok if genuine) about punters, which will include when WGs get vindictive/weird/spiteful. There's a certain lack of anonymity that's come with the internet.

Certainly I think the mystique, or need to act far more furtively has gone out of punting. Don't know if that's a good or bad thing. Maybe the thrill/excitement has been dulled? Also, I think pre-review sites such as this you could maybe kid yourself that you were one of a select band, and that your favourite/regular girl wasn't being banged by all and sundry.

I certainly think that escorting is now seen as a lifestyle choice/good career option - and good luck to those that choose it.

Definite negatives are the rise of Sergei and trafficking.

[cueball]

There's a few things I've noticed over the years....

The price has gone up  but not as much as recently... it's getting so silly it'll curtail my activity just on the principle of there's a difference between very high end money and greed.

Owo/swallowing/anal is now much more commonplace than when I started.

The internet was a real game changer for me, gone were the back page of the paper and some of the shocking sights that have greeted me. As said above, it really was a punt pre internet.

Agreed with what was said above, once of a time, when you came across a good lass you tended to return.

Imo the standards/choice has improved a lot but the prices have reflected this improvement.

[edd05]

I've noticed pretty dramatic price rises in liverpool /next recently. I've only been punting 2 amd a bit years but when I started most seemed to be £60/70 for 30 mins now it seems £80/90 even £100. They're doing themselves out of business because I just punt less

[pking_paul]

Since the internet came in its been a lot less hit and miss for me. Strangely enough one problem I have now is keeping in touch with the ones who no longer have an aw profile or anything similar and only offer services to punters they know. My little black notebook had to come out again to keep a couple of numbers safe, so back to the future for me.

I am also bored of pump and dump so I guess that's my own issue too.

[george r]

not quite 20 years for me but, In those days it was a full page in the daily sport and a good few parlour adverts in the Manchester evening news, parlour prices in Manchester not really moved much maybe a tenner up, but £50 for 30 minutes has been the going rate for quite a while now and when WFB was the top parlour it was £60 back then so a price drop ? .
The internet has been a godsend.

[Paris69]

There's a few things I've noticed over the years....

The price has gone up but not as much as recently... it's getting so silly it'll curtail my activity just on the principle of there's a difference between very high end money and greed.

Owo/swallowing/anal is now much more commonplace than when I started.

The internet was a real game changer for me, gone were the back page of the paper and some of the shocking sights that have greeted me. As said above, it really was a punt pre internet.

Agreed with what was said above, once of a time, when you came across a good lass you tended to return.

Imo the standards/choice has improved a lot but the prices have reflected this improvement.

My thoughts too; every w/g seems to think she's worth £120/150 an hour ... and the overnight rates!   

[mr.bluesky]

Mobile phones. You could never phone a massage parlour using your home phone incase the number was shown up on the bill.You would have to find a phone box and then have the correct money etc. Now days everybody uses a mobile phone
Some have a separate phone just for punting.
 

[Jonestown]

Mobile phones. You could never phone a massage parlour using your home phone incase the number was shown up on the bill.You would have to find a phone box and then have the correct money etc. Now days everybody uses a mobile phone
Some have a separate phone just for punting.

There were the green BT cards that people were always forgetting to take out after the call, it was magic finding a £5 one in the machine with bags of credit still on it.

[Juankerr]

The internet was a massive change, didn't have to use the classified ads in the back of the local papers anymore. Imagine having to phone up asking for a description of the WG and then turning up to be disappointed more often than not.

Of course having a great site like UKP now helps us all spend and save our money wisely.

Mobile phones have also been a big help, if you couldn't call from home you'd have to find a public payphone.

A lot more foreign WG's available now.

OWO, CIM and anal are services that are more available now than back then.

[torritti29]

The 90's were all about the back pages of local papers and massage flats few independents.

£60 for 30 minutes OW, covered sex, rarely kissing, English girls behaving like bloody difficult girlfriends ! First threesome in 95 memorable but tame compared to the last five years.

As services expanded in the early noughties OWO, kissing, RO were an extra £10 each so prices touched £90 for 30 minutes before the Russian cavalry arrived around 2003 and wanted £150 for 60 minutes all in. These agency girls operating from better quality Kensington flats were good and for 3/4 years the locals were ignored.

The dynamic changed with the downturn, more migrants etc but that is more recent history and not so long ago.

A brief resume of my experiences at the time.

[Stinginthetail]

I'm just having a look around and wondering whether to give it a go again after a long, long break. The cost certainly has gone up in real terms. But the cost of accommodation has also gone up a lot. Cheap sleazy places are harder to find in a lot of the cities, and they are not really what the market wants. I don't think the cost of accommodation accounts for all the price increases but it might be one cause. Then there's the ability to see and read about what you're likely to get, because of the internet. Has this driven a lot of the less attractive girls out of the game? Perhaps punters are so used to seeing very attractive offers that they ignore anyone who isn't at least half way to being stunning, and the attractive ones won't sell themselves short, and are happy to see fewer clients and earn more off each one. In the old days when there was a 50% chance that the heart would sink when the door opened nobody was willing to pay a lot for the first encounter. But nowadays, if you know you're probably going to get someone very good looking who has good references, you might be willing to accept a higher price from the outset. In the past a girl of uncertain age who had lost her looks and operated from a low-rent dump would charge low prices, get a few clients, and earn a few quid. I wonder whether she would get any clients at all today, and her rent would certainly be a lot higher. Even the punter who only has a small amount of money to play with might find it hard to choose an unattractive girl when he has spent hours looking at pictures of gorgeous women, so he ends up not doing anything because he can't afford the gorgeous girls.

I am looking forward to finding out whether it has got any easier for a person with my particular interests. I suspect it is difficult as it ever was - which was and will be half the fun.

[west12345]

Not quite 20 years exp - but aside from the prices ive actually found it a bit harder to punt the last couple of years. Wg's have
so much choice nowadays with how easy it is to find them that it has made them add a few hoops to get bookings...

[rocket88]

Two main changes - 1. The internet rather than phoning a number found in the Daily Spurt. 2. As others have pointed out the number of EE girls - bit of a mixed blessing - could be keeping the prices reasonable but a lot of duds amongst them.

[Dipper]

The internet was a massive change, didn't have to use the classified ads in the back of the local papers anymore. Imagine having to phone up asking for a description of the WG and then turning up to be disappointed more often than not.

Of course having a great site like UKP now helps us all spend and save our money wisely.

Mobile phones have also been a big help, if you couldn't call from home you'd have to find a public payphone.

A lot more foreign WG's available now.

OWO, CIM and anal are services that are more available now than back then.

good point about mobiles. Nobody wanted sexy susies number splashed  all over their BT bill. 

Remember the frantic search for a pay phone and then needing change

[DrGFreeman]

I dont agree that prices have gone up
in absolute terms prices haven't gone up over my punting career
my punting records only go back to 2003 - but then I was paying 70 hh and 110 hr

if you use the Bank of england inflation calculator - £100 in 2003 would be equivalent to £145 in 2016
but half hour is still £70, so in real terms prices have gone down

[DrGFreeman]

when I started punting in 2001 the girls were all british
it was pretty vanilla - oral was always with a condom, girls werent that keen on receiving oral, forget anything like anal or CIM
girls were sourced through agencies, adverts in the sport, some very limited directory sites
the rise of the review sites and adultwork started to improve things in terms of avoiding the bad ones and girls posting pictures
to me the game changer was the expansion of the EU east and floods of EE girls who were younger thinner and cheaper which pushed a lot of the crap british girls out of the market

I think porn has changed things in that people expect more services now

I think society has changed a in that women opting to be prostitutes are considered a career choice
I dont think society's view of us punters has improved though !

[Wristspinner]

I started about 33 years ago and has been said services were largely vanilla. AIDS was not well known and one of the first WG I saw was a bb experience, she was an older lady so perhaps that was a sign of the way things were.
You gained contact numbers through local papers, cards in shop windows and in telephone boxes, occasionally through contact magazines, but that was hard work. The upshot was that experiences were hit or miss but it gave the chance for short term temporary WG to advertise. When the internet became common the overall quality improved but that ability for short term providers largely disappeared.
I still see a couple of mature ladies I first met through the old system. Some of the worst but also some of the best experiences and ladies were obtained the old way.

[myothernameis]

Mid 80's used to see regular girls in the parlours, and they knew what you liked, and so did you, and you all get on, money was paid at the end

Now have to email or phone an escort, and if they don't like the sound of your voice, or don't have feedback, they wont see you

[myothernameis]

I dont agree that prices have gone up
in absolute terms prices haven't gone up over my punting career
my punting records only go back to 2003 - but then I was paying 70 hh and 110 hr

if you use the Bank of england inflation calculator - £100 in 2003 would be equivalent to £145 in 2016
but half hour is still £70, so in real terms prices have gone down

1990, for a 1 hr booking in  sauna, paid the entry fee £12, and for the girl £50, and this included coming twice, and it was a gfe, even before we heard of gfe online

[myothernameis]

I started about 33 years ago and has been said services were largely vanilla. AIDS was not well known and one of the first WG I saw was a bb experience, she was an older lady so perhaps that was a sign of the way things were.

I found it to be the same, bb was offered by some of the girls in the saunas, how ever one sauna owner caught wiff of what the girl was doing, and was told to leave, 4 regulars to that sauna never came back, rumour was she was now working from home, and offering bareback as a service, and this would have been around 1990

Found out a few years later she was a drug users

[DrGFreeman]

1990, for a 1 hr booking in  sauna, paid the entry fee £12, and for the girl £50, and this included coming twice, and it was a gfe, even before we heard of gfe online

using the BoE calculator, £62 in 1990 is equivalent to £129.32 in 2016
GFE bury are £100/hr
so yeah prices have gone down

[BlueRock]

started about 1996 and although internet was available (remember freeserve dial up?) It was in its infancy. Was street girls, parlours or a pot luck classified add in the back of the bargain pages. Remember a street girl was £20 tops. Now the streets are almost exclusively manky drug addicts but then I remember picking up some right darlings.
The contacts mags like phoenix, that you could buy at the dirty book shops for £7 were about as close to AW as you could get. Anal was virtually unheard of too at the time.

[gary03]

It was much more of a lottery back then.no pictures of girls so you just turned up & hoped for best.most were massages with sex at end & not many thai girls.in some ways less clinical & so excitement was what was girl goung to be like.miss the anticipation but at todays prices mistakes  can be expensive so research we can do is a bonus
Like everything else things have changed a lot.what will next few years bring?

[Jimmyredcab]

I dont agree that prices have gone up
in absolute terms prices haven't gone up over my punting career

I agree completely.

My first review on "another forum" was in 2001, I paid £100 an hour for a girl in Dartford called Kim ------------ it is still possible to punt at £100 an hour if you shop around.

[Jimmyredcab]

It was much more of a lottery back then.no pictures of girls .

Not much better now, very few profiles on Adultwork have face pictures, it is still a massive gamble. 

[steviex00]

started about 1996 and although internet was available (remember freeserve dial up?) It was in its infancy. Was street girls, parlours or a pot luck classified add in the back of the bargain pages. Remember a street girl was £20 tops. Now the streets are almost exclusively manky drug addicts but then I remember picking up some right darlings.
The contacts mags like phoenix, that you could buy at the dirty book shops for £7 were about as close to AW as you could get. Anal was virtually unheard of too at the time.

Oh yes, I'd forgotten about the contact mags. I remember buying one in Leicester once, an area I wasn't familiar with. Total bust, but then I saw an advert I can remember to this day "Right now, anything goes, O levels, A levels etc, so call Alison on xxxxxxx". Great B&W pics of a sexy black girl. I called, desperate to try anal for the first time. It turned out she was in Wolverhampton, so I drove straight there and had one of the punts of my life! It was £30 for everything. Unbelieveable value. This would have been early/mid nineties, happy days!

[JamesKW]

My first punt was when I was aged 18 in 1967/8.

Was this in the days when the Deltic was a common mode of transport.

[sushi]

I remember getting the monthly contact mag before telephone numbers were listed and you had to write a fucking letter to make contact.

[CoolTiger]

good point about mobiles. Nobody wanted sexy susies number splashed  all over their BT bill. 

Remember the frantic search for a pay phone and then needing change

Posters have covered most of the points.

Although use of red boxes payphone could not be avoided (some WGs would make you drive to their nearest payphone, ask you to call from there, and either ask you to call out the number displayed
on the payphone, or ask you about a landmark near the payphone before finally giving you their address, as this would filter out timewasters.
 
If you didn't opt for Itemised billing with BT, or opted for itemised billing for 50p or over, you could still get away calling from home landline, until...... Caller ID crept up!! (early 90s ??).

That was when whoever you called was able to see your landline number displayed at their end 

[CoolTiger]

I remember getting the monthly contact mag before telephone numbers were listed and you had to write a fucking letter to make contact.

Avoided those type of Mags. Rendezvous was one of them. Some punters opted to have a P O Box Number, in order to collect their reply letters.

I stuck to Mags that had the numbers already displayed in them (Phoenix was main one, Jezabelle also comes to mind).

Local Papers for Massage Parlopur would easily have quite a few columns. As for the Daily Sport, they had quite a few pages of classified ads in there, but this covered the entire country, so you had to go through them
individually to filter out local ads. Also, I used to store some of these numbers (or kept theat page of the Sport carefully hidden at home/work, and referred to it for your next punt).

[tesla]

the two biggest changes are "the internet" and " the mobile telephone"  Both have made a punters life so much easier.

[eb0x]

Ah the memories.... Rendezvous, The Sport, and the classifieds of a host of local papers, and as others have said, you never knew what you were going to get. Only walked away once though, and that was in Bristol when the 'young lady' was clearly strung out.  Many excellent punts though, some even more enjoyable as you were never quite sure what was going to be on offer. I  gave up asking for 'A' after being told no about by about 20 different girls. Eventually in SW London stopped at phone box and called one of the little cards people used to post there advertising 'massage'.  (In the 80s in London phone boxes would have dozens of little cards stuck on with a phone number and one line ad). Anyway this lady recited her prices £20 hr (which was dear), £25, O' £30 sex (average), and £40 for anal. "Have you done it before she said" and  honestly I hadn't. "I'll show you what to do". Lasted about 2 secs. Magic, and even more so for being a total surprise.

Now we have the purple site  and texts.

Everyone's said all that stuff except SatNav/GPS. Now you can go off for a punt anywhere and actually find it.

Downside is that is now much harder to get away, as OH expects to be notified if you're stuck in traffic and going 'to be an hour late'

[CoolTiger]

Now we have the purple site  and texts.

Everyone's said all that stuff except SatNav/GPS. Now you can go off for a punt anywhere and actually find it.

Downside is that is now much harder to get away, as OH expects to be notified if you're stuck in traffic and going 'to be an hour late'

You are allowed to mention Adultwork on here 

Hell, you can even post their website External Link/Members Only

Draw back of sat navs is that you need to delete history. You also nowadays need to watch out for speed cameras in areas where you are not supposed to be, so difficult to explain if a fine lands on your front door.

Although mobiles  are now seen as a benefit, in the old days, there was no way of communicating back home, other than having to stop at motorway service stations and ring from the payphone to say you are stuck in traffic, thereby divert to go and see a WG in northampton/milton keynes/luton (not far off the M1). You could easily get away getting home 1hr late. Nowadays, you get a call on your mobile, asking you where you are and how long you will be before you get back home.