Escorts and tax

[lewisjones23]

Yes and who would have thought so many men paying sex workers would actually have turned out to be the virtuous moral compass that everyone in the country should be following 

😂 was a shock to me also

[RedKettle]

Sorry but that's just sidestepping the obvious 

No it a statement of the obvious and I am surprised you do not understand.

Put it another way you cannot assume guilt without evidence and taking cash is not evidence of tax evasion.

[PilotMan]

Bit of a jump to compare someone who under declares income to reduce their tax bill against someone who peddles heroin to single mothers on a housing estate 🤷🏻‍♂️

"Under declare"

Might I remind you what you said....

"I literally declare none of that"

That's called evasion, pure and simple. Akin to theft from your fellow citizens.

[RedKettle]

Yes and who would have thought so many men paying sex workers would actually have turned out to be the virtuous moral compass that everyone in the country should be following 

It is not about following us it is about being able to tell right from wrong. 

[Doc Holliday]

Who asked you to chip in   

Just trying to restore the peace in Tombstone to avoid further unnecessary bloodshed 

Edit and clearly failing 

[PilotMan]

When have I said that it's OK or that I agree with tax evasion 

What i'm saying is that many people in general will justify it on the back of looking at what big business and multi millionaires do, how do you think half of those rich people originally got rich  I can tell you for many of them it wasn't by playing the rule book 100% straight 

So are you agreeing with the actions of these "many people in general", or disagreeing with their actions?

[PilotMan]

Actually it clearly is my decision how much to pay as I fill in my self-assessment and adjust the income/expenses figures to suit

The tax rates set by HMRC/the government aren't my decision

I also don't need to leave the country as I can just fill in the return to suit my needs 👍🏻

Your figures are your figures, they do not change, they are the results of your past decisions.

The only decision you have to make now is to either fill the forms in honestly or not, it would appear in your case that you seem fine to do the latter.

[PilotMan]

I also have another business that is 90% cash based and effectively hidden.

Why the fuck would I declare that when successive governments have shown they are incapable of managing a country properly? It'd go in to the great abyss

Because it's the right and honest thing to do.

Its a weak person who justifies their poor actions by citing the actions of others.

[jamiekinkxxx]

By all means use any legal means to reduce tax - but tax evaders are just scum!! No better than Pimps and drug dealers imo

100%... reducing a tax bill by legitimate reasons is fine, fill your boots I say.

But as you have retorted this member is as good as a pimp, drug dealer... basically a criminal, effectively robbing every one!

[jamiekinkxxx]

The majority of taxpayers in the UK fall under the PAYE system, so it doesn't matter what they think, so the country won't be fucked.

I pay a fairly hefty tax bill each year to cover unavoidable tax liabilities, I also have another business that is 90% cash based and effectively hidden.

Why the fuck would I declare that when successive governments have shown they are incapable of managing a country properly? It'd go in to the great abyss

So you are 100% a tax cheat, someone who is openly admitting to tax evasion, someone who thinks they are above the law, someone who just could not give a fuck about anyone else, someone without any civic responsibility.

Sort of guy that would probably fuck your own mother or kids over to save a few £££.

You are a disgrace TBH.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Your figures are your figures, they do not change, they are the results of your past decisions.

The only decision you have to make now is to either fill the forms in honestly or not, it would appear in your case that you seem fine to do the latter.

HMRC will go back 7 years in an investigation as a minimum. They have the power to go back 20 years.

HMRC officials can enter premises without a warrant to investigate suspected offences. They can enter by force, seize documents and search individuals and make arrests.... I for one who submits self assessment, would never 'under declare'

As you say PilotMan, those that do (obviously two very vocal members on here for sure), roll the dice and.... fucking prey their number doesn't come up (or they are not reported) for a random deep dive, as that is what HMRC do!

[Blackpool Rock]

No it a statement of the obvious and I am surprised you do not understand.

Put it another way you cannot assume guilt without evidence and taking cash is not evidence of tax evasion.

Well you're either confused or at least in denial, so on the one hand you are claiming a get out of jail free card on the basis that when you pay an escort cash you don't know she won't pay the tax on it however you previously said that you wouldn't pay a tradesman cash for a cheaper job

So how do you know the tradesman won't pay the tax either then, perhaps he just wants cash as it's immediate and he has cash flow problems, i'm sure he would declare every penny of this money and pay the correct rate of tax accordingly eh 
After all to quote yourself - you cannot assume guilt without evidence and taking cash is not evidence of tax evasion 

[hullad]

Thanks for the input guys, it's been an eye-opener in many different ways.

From my point of view is I am not worried about my involvement and I don't think I have to fear from the escort concerned, I know here and she is not involved in drugs or anything close . I will answer questions asked by the inland revenue in regard to the case, I am not worried about my tax position in any way, I have an accountant that oversees my affairs and I have no off shore funds.

I need to be careful in not getting too close to these girls, I have two who are friends ( one retired )
 this would have been the third.

She will be the last

[RedKettle]

Well you're either confused or at least in denial, so on the one hand you are claiming a get out of jail free card on the basis that when you pay an escort cash you don't know she won't pay the tax on it however you previously said that you wouldn't pay a tradesman cash for a cheaper job

So how do you know the tradesman won't pay the tax either then, perhaps he just wants cash as it's immediate and he has cash flow problems, i'm sure he would declare every penny of this money and pay the correct rate of tax accordingly eh 
After all to quote yourself - you cannot assume guilt without evidence and taking cash is not evidence of tax evasion 

I said if he offered it cheaper for cash, which is pretty clear evidence that he is not paying VAT/tax on it.  I am not aware of WG offering one price for card and another for cash!!!! 

[8MillionDollarMan]

Even as someone that's always reduced my tax liability within guidelines I'm not going to criticise anybody that doesn't declare their earnings.
But as I've had a tax investigation I'd advise against it,you really don't want one and I won mine.
I think there is an underlying feeling that WGs bank stack loads of cash and don't declare it,I don't believe this is a case.I can't seem to do any sort of large cash transaction without the Spanish Inquisition from any of the banks I use.
As for buying anything of value in cash nobody wants it.

[lewisjones23]

"Under declare"

Might I remind you what you said....

"I literally declare none of that"

That's called evasion, pure and simple. Akin to theft from your fellow citizens.

yes, declare none of the income from the cash based business

under declare my total income from my different interests

there is a difference

[robnotts69]

If HMRC investigate a wg it could get really messy as I'd assume most of them don't use a reputable accountant

HMRC will look at their whole lifestyle - house, cars,  holidays, shopping, the lot. If they think they have avoided paying tax they can also impose penalties of 100% of the tax owed

If anyone is putting money, bank transfer or cash into an account they need to make sure it is declared. Any cash they spend or hide under the mattress they have more chance of getting away with as HMRC would struggle to establish exactly how often they work and what they charge

[lewisjones23]

So you are 100% a tax cheat, someone who is openly admitting to tax evasion, someone who thinks they are above the law, someone who just could not give a fuck about anyone else, someone without any civic responsibility.

Sort of guy that would probably fuck your own mother or kids over to save a few £££.

You are a disgrace TBH.

😂😂😂 take a breath before you give yourself a heart attack chief 🫡

[jamiekinkxxx]

😂😂😂 take a breath before you give yourself a heart attack chief 🫡

I am 100% fine. You on the other hand.....

[Blackpool Rock]

I said if he offered it cheaper for cash, which is pretty clear evidence that he is not paying VAT/tax on it.  I am not aware of WG offering one price for card and another for cash!!!!

Not proof though is it which is what you were arguing, so using your logic you would be OK to pay a tradesman in cash if he wasn't offering a cheaper price and you'd assume that he'd run it all through the books then

Let's face it the majority of escorts won't be running any money through the tax system, some will put a bit through (I knew a parlour girl who also did nails / teeth / spray tans etc and she said she ran some through the books), you can probably count on one hand how many run all the money through the books.
Likewise the majority of tradesman taking or asking for cash won't be running any or all of the money through the books

We all suspect / know / think we know it's the case and the fact they are being paid in cash / asking for cash is evidence or certainly provides an ideal opportunity however we can't actually prove anything on any 1 individual either way   

[pbrown355]

My twopennorth (declared of course).
If I pay money for goods or services I am not responsible for whether or not they declare it. That applies whether I pay by cash or otherwise. If somebody pays me by cash or otherwise it gets declared.
Reducing your taxation by legal means is rational. Doing the same by non-declaration is illegal. If you do this you are stealing from me (and everyone else) and you should not be surprised if people on here are rude to you or about you.
As for those paying sex workers for services being a strange bunch of people to have morals, it is entirely legal and I'm not sure why anyone who thinks it's immoral is a member on here.

[PilotMan]

Even as someone that's always reduced my tax liability within guidelines I'm not going to criticise anybody that doesn't declare their earnings.
But as I've had a tax investigation I'd advise against it,you really don't want one and I won mine.
I think there is an underlying feeling that WGs bank stack loads of cash and don't declare it,I don't believe this is a case.I can't seem to do any sort of large cash transaction without the Spanish Inquisition from any of the banks I use.
As for buying anything of value in cash nobody wants it.

I've had a couple of tax investigations, income tax when I was 24 years old. Nothing to worry about as I was 100% legitimate. What I found interesting was the questions they ask, things like do you own any artworks, precious gems, antiques. I suppose they were all relatively untraceable back then, and they were trying to get a list of assets for future reference.

Second investigation was a company investigation, coincidentally not long after I had an acrimonious split from a business partner. Nothing to worry about again as we were totally legitimate.

I did have an unscheduled visit from the VAT office. It was an unusual reason, we bought a huge amount of stock right at the end of the VAT quarter and when we submitted the return it resulted in a refund request. Again, we had nothing to worry about, much to the visible disappointment of the inspector.

I have only had a couple of occasions recently where I have accepted cash payments (circa £10k) I had no problem paying in to my Metrobank account. It was different when I tried to pay £4,500 in to a personal Lloyd's account, I was grilled and advised that they won't accept more than£500 in future.

I also find that nobody wants cash any more.

[PilotMan]

My twopennorth (declared of course).
If I pay money for goods or services I am not responsible for whether or not they declare it. That applies whether I pay by cash or otherwise. If somebody pays me by cash or otherwise it gets declared.
Reducing your taxation by legal means is rational. Doing the same by non-declaration is illegal. If you do this you are stealing from me (and everyone else) and you should not be surprised if people on here are rude to you or about you.
As for those paying sex workers for services being a strange bunch of people to have morals, it is entirely legal and I'm not sure why anyone who thinks it's immoral is a member on here.

+1

[RedKettle]

Not proof though is it which is what you were arguing, so using your logic you would be OK to pay a tradesman in cash if he wasn't offering a cheaper price and you'd assume that he'd run it all through the books then

Let's face it the majority of escorts won't be running any money through the tax system, some will put a bit through (I knew a parlour girl who also did nails / teeth / spray tans etc and she said she ran some through the books), you can probably count on one hand how many run all the money through the books.
Likewise the majority of tradesman taking or asking for cash won't be running any or all of the money through the books

We all suspect / know / think we know it's the case and the fact they are being paid in cash / asking for cash is evidence or certainly provides an ideal opportunity however we can't actually prove anything on any 1 individual either way

Mate you are screwing up what I am saying and bending and twisting to justify your theft.   I am not the one cheating the tax system and I am not assisting anyone else to, however much you seek to distract and bend my words.

I am happy to pay cash to any business that wants cash payment, be it a WG, tradesman, my local cafe or a taxi driver.  It is their responsibilty to deal with their tax.  However if I have reason to think they are asking for cash to enable them to evade tax I will decline and either take my business elsewhere or agree another payment method.   Generally that evidence is them saying that is their intention or heavily hinting. I think that is clear and simple and you should be able to understand that.

[KatieEdinburgh]

Let's face it the majority of escorts won't be running any money through the tax system

The majority? Who said that ?
I believe most escorts who take  deposits by bank transfer would be declaring some, if not all. More and more SPs require deposits to book now too

Perhaps not if they’re ran by gangs or trafficked as why care about the law when you’re already breaking it! So depends where you’re shopping for these girls I guess

But saying majority don’t pay  is a bold statement to make

[PilotMan]

The majority? Who said that ?
I believe most escorts who take  deposits by bank transfer would be declaring some, if not all. More and more SPs require deposits to book now too

Perhaps not if they’re ran by gangs or trafficked as why care about the law when you’re already breaking it! So depends where you’re shopping for these girls I guess

But saying majority don’t pay  is a bold statement to make

I agree.

There are plenty of reasons why escorts take cash. Ensuring that they don't have punters trying to do claim backs is a very simple one. Discretion for Punters is probably the biggest.

[Blackpool Rock]

The majority? Who said that ?
I believe most escorts who take  deposits by bank transfer would be declaring some, if not all. More and more SPs require deposits to book now too

Perhaps not if they’re ran by gangs or trafficked as why care about the law when you’re already breaking it! So depends where you’re shopping for these girls I guess

But saying majority don’t pay  is a bold statement to make

Me 

I agree that girl who take money electronically are more likely to declare some or all of that money however i've never once paid electronically or been asked to pay a deposit

I shop for girls either in parlours or on AW and it's always cash in hand

As for the last bit saying the majority actually pay tax would appear to be a bolder statement to make IMO 

[KatieEdinburgh]

As for the last bit saying the majority actually pay tax would appear to be a bolder statement to make IMO 

Not really. Since I am a SP…. And only can give an idea based on other escorts I know personally (but thats still more knowledge than any punter can have about it)

So you’ve never been asked for a deposit ? Even if you turned them down at that point
I’m quite surprised by that x

[Blackpool Rock]

Mate you are screwing up what I am saying and bending and twisting to justify your theft.   I am not the one cheating the tax system and I am not assisting anyone else to, however much you seek to distract and bend my words.

I am happy to pay cash to any business that wants cash payment, be it a WG, tradesman, my local cafe or a taxi driver.  It is their responsibilty to deal with their tax.  However if I have reason to think they are asking for cash to enable them to evade tax I will decline and either take my business elsewhere or agree another payment method.   Generally that evidence is them saying that is their intention or heavily hinting. I think that is clear and simple and you should be able to understand that.

Sorry but you and many others have twisted what i've posted, at no point have I justified or said that people avoiding tax is right or that they should do it but you are now saying i've twisted things to justify my theft despite me never having fiddled any tax, where's your evidence and proof that you seemed to be so keen about then 

All I originally said was that individuals like tradesman fiddling their tax would probably justify it on the basis that rich individuals and multi Billion corporations apparently seem to be able to dodge their fair share of tax
I've at no point said that the smaller guys are right to use that as justification or that they should do so on the back of it however most people would be able to agree that the big money people should be paying their fair share too

Anyway this thread appears to be quite toxic now so i'm out, have a nice day one and all 

[KatieEdinburgh]

Also any OnlyFans income over £1k a year is now automatically reported to HMRC. So if they’re an online worker they’re usually always paying their taxes

[Maak]

Any bank transfers should be referenced as "GIFT"

[theaccountant]

Any bank transfers should be referenced as "GIFT"

The reference has no bearing in the eyes of HMRC.

[PilotMan]

Any bank transfers should be referenced as "GIFT"

Of course, that solves everything, you must be an accountant or tax adviser to impart such wisdom, SP's take note 



Tax Man - "young lady, you have a significant number of bank transfers referenced "gift", can you explain them please?"

SP - "I have a big family and lots of friends"

Tax Man - "Oh, OK then that's fine, for a moment I thought it was some kind of business that you were running, your answer allays all of my concerns"

[jimbobted]

yes, declare none of the income from the cash based business

under declare my total income from my different interests

there is a difference

You're a bit of a cunt really aren't you?
Thick cunt too. Now, I may idle away an hour or two on Companies House and/or General Records Office looking for a Lewis Jones born around 1988, and maybe point HMRC in the direction of said tax evading cunt. 

[lewisjones23]

You're a bit of a cunt really aren't you?
Thick cunt too. Now, I may idle away an hour or two on Companies House and/or General Records Office looking for a Lewis Jones born around 1988, and maybe point HMRC in the direction of said tax evading cunt. 

😂😂😂

Theres only one thick cunt around here if you think my username on here is any relation to my real name or age

Whilst you're at it why don't you send them the link to my profile on here as well ✌🏻🤝

[jamiekinkxxx]

😂😂😂

Theres only one thick cunt around here if you think my username on here is any relation to my real name or age

Whilst you're at it why don't you send them the link to my profile on here as well ✌🏻🤝

No really, believe me, you are the only cunt and a tax criminal one at that too!

[lewisjones23]

No really, believe me, you are the only cunt and a tax criminal one at that too!

What have I been convicted of? in what court?

[daviemac]

I think we need to settle down a bit and get back on the topic of the thread.

[Doc Holliday]

I think we need to settle down a bit and get back on the topic of the thread.

Indeed. Hopefully your post will hold more weight than mine did 

[daviemac]

Indeed. Hopefully your post will hold more weight than mine did 

Well there's two week holidays up for grabs for those who continue to flout the rules regarding abuse to other members.   

[Blackpool Rock]

Indeed. Hopefully your post will hold more weight than mine did 

And mine, I posted yesterday morning that the thread had turned toxic so I was out but it then appeared to get worse 

[unclepokey]

Who spotted the tiny relief for sex workers in Mr Hunts's budget?
VAT registration point is now £90,000 from £85,000

Read the small print girls and spend your saving on an accountant.

Uncle Pokey

[magnetico]

Who spotted the tiny relief for sex workers in Mr Hunts's budget?
VAT registration point is now £90,000 from £85,000

Read the small print girls and spend your saving on an accountant.

Uncle Pokey

I never thought about that, but if a WG has a turnover over 90k and wanted to be 100% legit then she should charge 20% VAT?

[Doc Holliday]

I never thought about that, but if a WG has a turnover over 90k and wanted to be 100% legit then she should charge 20% VAT?

Yes and so the HMRC minefield gets even bigger External Link/Members Only

[JontyR]

I never thought about that, but if a WG has a turnover over 90k and wanted to be 100% legit then she should charge 20% VAT?

How do you know that they don't. Personally I don't ask for an invoice.

[RedKettle]

Yes and so the HMRC minefield gets even bigger External Link/Members Only

I want to book the escort who is also a chimney sweep!   

Not sure why but that sound sexy.

[PilotMan]

I want to book the escort who is also a chimney sweep!   

Not sure why but that sound sexy.

Does your "chimney" flue need unblocking 

[Doc Holliday]

I want to book the escort who is also a chimney sweep!   

Not sure why but that sound sexy.

Perhaps it's the Mary Poppins/Dick van Dyke roleplay?

[magnetico]

Yes and so the HMRC minefield gets even bigger External Link/Members Only

Very interesting reading 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Yes isnt it!..


"There are also special rules which enable you to claim back the VAT on expensive capital items – dungeon equipment etc."


" HMRC publish a list of flat rates for different types of business, although strangely these don’t include prostitution."

Humm....