London booking the hardest it's ever been?

[Stephan200210]

Apologies for perhaps straying too close to the line on politics. I was just trying to set out the various factors that I think have played a role, to a greater or lesser degree, in the dire punting situation. But it does seem like a "perfect storm" of factors that have created the situation. And even Central London seems to be a bit of a desert. I recall when the Paddington area, for example, was just full of girls. Now much fewer. I guess one question is whether anyone has any ideas as to what might be needed to get the situation back to, what I hope, is normal. And by that I mean an "excess" of girls all competing for punters, prices falling and quality going up.

[king tarzan]

Fired off 3 texts last night, no response
Tried Dayana of Aldgate fame when her Green light came on, no reply.
Even in the short time I've been back, its getting harder.
More punters? Less girls & less quality?
Perfect storm of poor punting conditions.

Semi retire like I have..
Much simpler..
No need to get frustrated

[Ron89]

I’m on a hiatus, it isn’t worth the hassle these days. I do miss spending an evening having a punt, a few pints and a takeaway though.

[The Night King]

"but Brexit has NOT stopped girls coming to the UK." 

Er, it's stopped Europeans coming to the UK full stop - fruit pickers, airline staff, NHS workers, lorry drivers, builders...

SP's ditto 

[a203203]

"but Brexit has NOT stopped girls coming to the UK." 

Er, it's stopped Europeans coming to the UK full stop - fruit pickers, airline staff, NHS workers, lorry drivers, builders...

SP's ditto 

the difference is SPs do not need to enter the UK and get a national insurance number, etc etc. They can just enter as tourists. So SPs can enter as before, but the other workers can't.

[sparkus]

the difference is SPs do not need to enter the UK and get a national insurance number, etc etc. They can just enter as tourists. So SPs can enter as before, but the other workers can't.

Hence all the Latinas on Spanish and Portuguese passports.

[MysteryManNo.7]

you are possibly straying into the area of Politics (which is not allowed) and i will try to stay the right side of the line - but Brexit has NOT stopped girls coming to the UK.  in fact with higher prices you could argue its even easier to come for say a month and earn a lot of money! Perhaps its fair to say that Brexit affected how european viewed the UK and that did affect the numbers who came to some extent. However covid has had by far the biggest effect on WG's both those in the UK and those that might otherwise have come here.

As for shooting ourselves in the foot, i don't suppose that too many people took into account that punting might or might not be better according to how they voted. lol.

Very well put. I see Brexit come up as a nonsense excuse for the downturn in the amount of girls available in the UK when the past 2 years plus of Covid nonsense and pointless, harmful 'lockdowns' is what has destroyed the industry.

[MysteryManNo.7]

"but Brexit has NOT stopped girls coming to the UK." 

Er, it's stopped Europeans coming to the UK full stop - fruit pickers, airline staff, NHS workers, lorry drivers, builders...

SP's ditto 

Nope. You're comparing oranges to apples. As another has said there's really nothing stopping SPs coming here as tourists and working. I feel many remoaners on here are using this nonsense excuse to project their anger of Brexit when it's a forum for talking about punting not politics.

[MysteryManNo.7]

I'm personally not experiencing this drought many are speaking of but perhaps that's because I don't punt as often as some and tend to stick to regulars.

[Alexmck]

I’m on a hiatus, it isn’t worth the hassle these days. I do miss spending an evening having a punt, a few pints and a takeaway though.

Agree

[The Night King]

I'm personally not experiencing this drought many are speaking of but perhaps that's because I don't punt as often as some and tend to stick to regulars.

So you're telling us you have zero experience of this thread topic because you only see regulars who are already here.

But you're calling out OPs who are experiencing this for projecting Remoaner anger on everyone! 

Who are you Mystery Man? Mark Francois?









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[JustaPunter]

"but Brexit has NOT stopped girls coming to the UK." 

Er, it's stopped Europeans coming to the UK full stop - fruit pickers, airline staff, NHS workers, lorry drivers, builders...

SP's ditto 

No it hasn’t.

To think so is delusional.

[petermisc]

They can just enter as tourists. So SPs can enter as before

Agreed that they can enter as tourists, but they can only spend a limited time here, and they will have difficulties if they want to make regular trips back home.   And coming as a tourist limits the kind of accommodation they can rent.  That very definitely isn't the same as before.  Agreed that Brexit hasn't stopped girls from coming here, but it has made it significantly less easy than it used to be.

The drop in the value of the pound that happened immediately after the referendum also means that they are earning considerably less in real terms than they were before. 

But Brexit isn't the only factor.  Other things, like the increased restrictions on landlords renting to overseas visitors, and money-laundering restrictions on opening bank accounts and paying in large sums of cash, are also making things much more difficult than they were before.  Not impossible, just yet more hurdles that are making the UK less attractive.

It would be ridiculous to say that Brexit is the only reason, but it would be equally ridiculous to say that it has had no impact.

[lillythesavage]

Agreed that they can enter as tourists, but they can only spend a limited time here, and they will have difficulties if they want to make regular trips back home.   And coming as a tourist limits the kind of accommodation they can rent.  That very definitely isn't the same as before.  Agreed that Brexit hasn't stopped girls from coming here, but it has made it significantly less easy than it used to be.

The drop in the value of the pound that happened immediately after the referendum also means that they are earning considerably less in real terms than they were before. 

But Brexit isn't the only factor.  Other things, like the increased restrictions on landlords renting to overseas visitors, and money-laundering restrictions on opening bank accounts and paying in large sums of cash, are also making things much more difficult than they were before.  Not impossible, just yet more hurdles that are making the UK less attractive.

It would be ridiculous to say that Brexit is the only reason, but it would be equally ridiculous to say that it has had no impact.

Balanced view, there are other reasons, like the pandemic driving people home and finding it is not so bad, those that made money, built a home and a life with it back home, the ever increasing amount of those from EE and other countries willing to exploit SP,s in this country.

Does not seem to have affected the South Americans at all, surely they find it just as difficult as Europeans would to get in here 

[BillT]

Not impossible, just yet more hurdles that are making the UK less attractive.

The UK, despite what the media would have you believe, is still one of the wealthiest countries in Europe. We as a nation will always have more disposable cash for escorts than other nations. Even with the "cost of living crisis" and "inflation crisis" that the same media have been talking up for months (but failing to notice the connection to the government printing money to pay peoples wages for a few years!)

The girls from EE who want to get the money, will still come here. Its always going to be more attractive to come here than say go to a poorer EU nation if they want maximum buck for their bang.

[palatino]

The UK, despite what the media would have you believe, is still one of the wealthiest countries in Europe. We as a nation will always have more disposable cash for escorts than other nations. Even with the "cost of living crisis" and "inflation crisis" that the same media have been talking up for months (but failing to notice the connection to the government printing money to pay peoples wages for a few years!)

There is no evidence whatsoever that through some miracle we will always be richer than other nations - but plenty of evidence that the UK economy is in decline, now that we have lost direct access to our largest market and our currency is increasingly seen as an emerging market currency (External Link/Members Only may). Obviously this means that any work paid in Sterling is becoming less attractive.
At the same time, our inflation is higher than for example in the Eurozone. This increases the cost of you operating your business as a SP: hence the astronomically rising rates they try to charge.

The girls from EE who want to get the money, will still come here. Its always going to be more attractive to come here than say go to a poorer EU nation if they want maximum buck for their bang.

Take the Poles as an example. You can either fly to London and then spend a fortune on living in an air B&B or in a hotel. The hostile environment policy will make sure that you cannot legally rent a flat or legally access healthcare. Or you can take a Flixbus to Germany for less than €10, rent a flat at market rates much lower than the UK, use your EHIC for healthcare, and return to Poland for a weekend with your pimp/boyfriend/husband.
So the smart ones who want to get the money will decidedly not come here.

[Malvolio]

There is no evidence whatsoever that through some miracle we will always be richer than other nations - but plenty of evidence that the UK economy is in decline, now that we have lost direct access to our largest market and our currency is increasingly seen as an emerging market currency (External Link/Members Only may). Obviously this means that any work paid in Sterling is becoming less attractive.
At the same time, our inflation is higher than for example in the Eurozone. This increases the cost of you operating your business as a SP: hence the astronomically rising rates they try to charge.


Take the Poles as an example. You can either fly to London and then spend a fortune on living in an air B&B or in a hotel. The hostile environment policy will make sure that you cannot legally rent a flat or legally access healthcare. Or you can take a Flixbus to Germany for less than €10, rent a flat at market rates much lower than the UK, use your EHIC for healthcare, and return to Poland for a weekend with your pimp/boyfriend/husband.
So the smart ones who want to get the money will decidedly not come here.

Punting is most definitely cheaper in Germany than the UK - a smart WG will earn much more in London than Germany.  There might also be one or two Poles living in London who will sublet a room at mates' rates.

More to the point, the recent shenanigans at airports show travel is still stuffed.  In my view we're still waiting for the pandemic dust to settle - let's see how things are looking in a year's time.

[lillythesavage]

Punting is most definitely cheaper in Germany than the UK - a smart WG will earn much more in London than Germany.  There might also be one or two Poles living in London who will sublet a room at mates' rates.

More to the point, the recent shenanigans at airports show travel is still stuffed.  In my view we're still waiting for the pandemic dust to settle - let's see how things are looking in a year's time.

The pandemic seems to be dismissed as something that did not happen, and given the remoaners another excuse to go on and on and on. Had much more to do with people going home than anything else.

Just like the Scots and independence, only another referendum will do, and another until the right side wins. 

It is done, we are out, it causes some problems, but they go on and on and on, never going to change it though

[stonebow1]

Agreed that they can enter as tourists, but they can only spend a limited time here, and they will have difficulties if they want to make regular trips back home.   And coming as a tourist limits the kind of accommodation they can rent.  That very definitely isn't the same as before.  Agreed that Brexit hasn't stopped girls from coming here, but it has made it significantly less easy than it used to be.

The drop in the value of the pound that happened immediately after the referendum also means that they are earning considerably less in real terms than they were before. 

From some small talk with foreign SP's that are basically settled here they will tell you that newer girls find Germany and France are better options now. UK is clearly a less attractive destination post-Brexit. The amount of pretty young Poles on AW now compared to a few years ago is like night and day.

[petermisc]

The pandemic seems to be dismissed as something that did not happen, and given the remoaners another excuse to go on and on and on. Had much more to do with people going home than anything else.
It is done, we are out, it causes some problems, but they go on and on and on, never going to change it though

It is more interesting that those who voted for Brexit want us to forget that it happened.  You would have thought that all the Little Englanders who voted for it would be crowing about how much better our life is now that we are out of the EU.  For some reason, they aren't.  Instead they come on threads discussing why things are worse now to whinge about remoaners.

[petermisc]

From some small talk with foreign SP's that are basically settled here they will tell you that newer girls find Germany and France are better options now. UK is clearly a less attractive destination post-Brexit.

Also some talk on here that some Thais who used to be here have gone to the USA instead.  The UK is clearly not as attractive an option as it once was.

[lillythesavage]

It is more interesting that those who voted for Brexit want us to forget that it happened.  You would have thought that all the Little Englanders who voted for it would be crowing about how much better our life is now that we are out of the EU.  For some reason, they aren't.  Instead they come on threads discussing why things are worse now to whinge about remoaners.

Name calling again  , It is called acceptance, acceptance of change.

Using every little excuse to call those who oppose you views names is quite pathetic. So is constantly using Brexit while so much more has gone on in the world.
Fact is the pandemic and now war have affected things far more than Brexit, but giving remoaners another excuse to constantly bring it up.

If the EU is so great, and the UK so bad, you are free to join again, Ireland is very nice ,

[Stephan200210]

Leaving Brexit aside, there are many reasons SW and others are not coming to the UK. Declining Pound, travel chaos, hostile environment etc. As in any market, price and service quality are tied to competition. The more SWs around, competing for business, then the better for punters. More supply than demand is ideal. And that is why I just do not "get it" when the UK seeks to make it more difficult for people to come here. We need to be awash with EU workers and others to staff coffee bars, work at airports and do all the other lowish paid service jobs. But making it unattractive for those people to come here is just causing a massive labour shortage and making a significant contribution to pushing up prices. Brexit or no Brexit, we need to be making it easy for all manner of service workers to come to the UK and work. And that is especially true of SWs.

[lillythesavage]

Leaving Brexit aside, there are many reasons SW and others are not coming to the UK. Declining Pound, travel chaos, hostile environment etc. As in any market, price and service quality are tied to competition. The more SWs around, competing for business, then the better for punters. More supply than demand is ideal. And that is why I just do not "get it" when the UK seeks to make it more difficult for people to come here. We need to be awash with EU workers and others to staff coffee bars, work at airports and do all the other lowish paid service jobs. But making it unattractive for those people to come here is just causing a massive labour shortage and making a significant contribution to pushing up prices. Brexit or no Brexit, we need to be making it easy for all manner of service workers to come to the UK and work. And that is especially true of SWs.

A lot of cheap labour, on wages they cannot live on is of no benefit to the man in the street, only business owners and shareholders, so many are also getting in work benefits to prop up low pay, while shareholders milk it.

The truck driver shortage has been caused by the pay being so poor, and EU daft regulations making it expensive and difficult to get into, young people just cannot be bothered.
Cheap EU Labour papered over the cracks and kept wages low, they are not reliable, they go home too often, get some money, build a house and go home for good, do not like living 10 to a room and move on.

The long term answer is to make the job attractive, worth the effort to do the training, which companies are now beginning to pay for.

I have worked in this industry for years, the EU invasion cut wages, reduced working conditions to an all time low, a truck driver was a disposable donkey to some, they could put a dumb EU ass in the driving seat for peanuts.

It is now coming back to bite them and the industry is changing for the better.

Why do you want cheap EU labour ? To serve you coffee on the cheap ?  While UK citizens cannot feed the kids.

We managed before the cheap labour invasion and will manage again, free movement is all about profit for the rich business owners behind the Eu and their mates  , Destroying families and economies of the poor countries they leave.

If the Eu was so great it would build these countries, so the young labour does not need to leave and live in sheds, containers, or overcrowded homes, but there is no profit in that . Big business has been exploiting poor people, just like a pimp,  and the EU sanctioned it.

[king tarzan]

It is more interesting that those who voted for Brexit want us to forget that it happened.  You would have thought that all the Little Englanders who voted for it would be crowing about how much better our life is now that we are out of the EU.  For some reason, they aren't.  Instead they come on threads discussing why things are worse now to whinge about remoaners.

I 100% fully agree with you..
The ones that voted out I'm glad there getting a full force Bruce Lee kick in the nuts and fannies!!

Us who didn't I feel sorry for, not our doing!!

Simpletto

[southcoastpunter]

people are so entrenched in views, there is always more than one way to look at something. brexit had pro's and con's.  and IF (and that is questionable in my opinion) we are getting "a full force Bruce Lee kick in the nuts and fannies!!" as KT suggests ...well that's everyone KT not just those that voted leave.

So this thread is becoming a straight forward argument over brexit. go look at the politics thread in "off topic" and see the pages and pages of comments (i almost said drivel)  mainly by the same 4 or 5 guys. That is what happens when you get entrenched views being spouted out by a small number of guys who cannot see beyond their own point of view - or perhaps, they just like an argument!

this is going the same way. Boring.....I'm out!

[Stephan200210]

"It is now coming back to bite them and the industry is changing for the better." I was not sure how to quote it, but this quote is from Lillythesavage.

What industry is changing for the better? Surely not the SW industry - as the whole point of this thread is to show it is not changing for the better. It is getting worse. As a "buyer" of SW services, or indeed any services, why would you possibly want higher costs - which just get passed on to you? It just makes no sense to me.

[Stephan200210]

I agree with Southcoastpunter that this should not be about politics. Although maybe he will not read this if he is "out". What I really want to know is what conditions overall need to change so we can get back to a "punter-friendly environment". By that I mean a surplus of SWs, offering great service at reasonable prices. It happened before and for many years. Will we ever get back to that again, and, if so, what is needed to bring it about?

[blend57]

The lock down and the current inflation situation has meant that we have moved from a buyers market into a suppliers market. The WGs are taking advantage. Whilst this is not good for the punters I cannot really blame the WGs for doing what they are doing.

What this means is that a punter will need to plan ahead more: Instead of trying to secure a booking on a day, try booking a few days in advance. Another thing that you can do in a supplier market is find good reliable suppliers and stick with them. When it comes to punting this will mean finding a good WG who will become a regular. I think the punting market of the previous 15 years meant that punters could see a different WG every time they punted. With the suppliers market, that is harder to do.

If you already have a good reliable regular, then you will be in a good position to ride out the current market until the buyers market returns (unless the regular retires that is). For those who do not have a good relationship (strictly professional - need to be careful of EAS) then you now have the job of finding a regular. A lot of the good reliable WGs will already have a group of regulars who will now be spending more money with them. Hence they will have less need of taking on new customers. This may well be an explanation of why some members of the board have had trouble securing booking.

[palatino]

The lock down and the current inflation situation has meant that we have moved from a buyers market into a suppliers market. The WGs are taking advantage. Whilst this is not good for the punters I cannot really blame the WGs for doing what they are doing.

What this means is that a punter will need to plan ahead more: Instead of trying to secure a booking on a day, try booking a few days in advance. Another thing that you can do in a supplier market is find good reliable suppliers and stick with them. When it comes to punting this will mean finding a good WG who will become a regular. I think the punting market of the previous 15 years meant that punters could see a different WG every time they punted. With the suppliers market, that is harder to do.

If you already have a good reliable regular, then you will be in a good position to ride out the current market until the buyers market returns (unless the regular retires that is). For those who do not have a good relationship (strictly professional - need to be careful of EAS) then you now have the job of finding a regular. A lot of the good reliable WGs will already have a group of regulars who will now be spending more money with them. Hence they will have less need of taking on new customers. This may well be an explanation of why some members of the board have had trouble securing booking.

Excellent analysis and advice. I do wish I had a regular SP nearby!

Why do you want cheap EU labour ? To serve you coffee on the cheap ?  While UK citizens cannot feed the kids.

I don't need cheap EU labour to serve me coffee, but I do enjoy having my cock sucked by a hot Pole or fucking a young Hungarian. Works better for me than a fat Brit chav.

[king tarzan]

Excellent analysis and advice. I do wish I had a regular SP nearby!

 but I do enjoy having my cock sucked by fat Brit chav.

For Squid game prize??? ( Millions and millions of pounds)

[The Night King]

A lot of cheap labour, on wages they cannot live on is of no benefit to the man in the street, only business owners and shareholders, so many are also getting in work benefits to prop up low pay, while shareholders milk it.

The truck driver shortage has been caused by the pay being so poor, and EU daft regulations making it expensive and difficult to get into, young people just cannot be bothered.
Cheap EU Labour papered over the cracks and kept wages low, they are not reliable, they go home too often, get some money, build a house and go home for good, do not like living 10 to a room and move on.

The long term answer is to make the job attractive, worth the effort to do the training, which companies are now beginning to pay for.

I have worked in this industry for years, the EU invasion cut wages, reduced working conditions to an all time low, a truck driver was a disposable donkey to some, they could put a dumb EU ass in the driving seat for peanuts.

It is now coming back to bite them and the industry is changing for the better.

Why do you want cheap EU labour ? To serve you coffee on the cheap ?  While UK citizens cannot feed the kids.

We managed before the cheap labour invasion and will manage again, free movement is all about profit for the rich business owners behind the Eu and their mates  , Destroying families and economies of the poor countries they leave.

If the Eu was so great it would build these countries, so the young labour does not need to leave and live in sheds, containers, or overcrowded homes, but there is no profit in that . Big business has been exploiting poor people, just like a pimp,  and the EU sanctioned it.

In this one post you've written a whole thesis which has nothing to do with the difficulty of booking SPs. Like most lorry drivers you've had a pay rise because of an acute labour shortage. Good for you! It's put up prices for for everyone but at least you can afford more Yorkies


You say "Why do you want cheap EU labour?"....er, well in the context of this board which, the last time I checked, is about improving the experience of punting  (a larger workforce - more choice / better quality / lower prices) then that's why! Unless you like paying more for your hobby to give the middle finger to Brussels!?!


It's funny, if you were to swap out the word "truck driver" from your essay and replace with "SP" I could imagine a bitter old local tart making this exact same argument to justify why we should now welcome paying higher prices for her local offering 

Enjoy the Jubilee everyone 

[Carloco]

My two cents (or should I say shillings?) as a non-Brit punter:

In addition to the many points that several of you have stated, I would like to add, at risk of stating the obvious, that many people take decisions based on perceptions rather than facts.

Do you remember all the times that tabloids, broadsheets, radios and so on in the UK have stated that the EU 'is about to collapse'? Well, have a look at media in the EU. There are not too many stories about the UK (why should there be?), but when there are, they are about lorries in Dover, empty supermarkets, the odd European who was sent to a refugee prison, and so on.

Yes, you can tell me that is exaggerated or biased, but that is part of another discussion (and go back to my point of British media telling that the EU is 'about to collapse and so on'). And of course, this is not the only factor (you have already mentioned tons of others), but this contributes to create/reinforce perceptions that this is not an attractive place to come to work.

Have a chat with Europeans who are not based in the UK and who could be cleaners, or work in cafes and so on (SWs are generally closer to them in terms or social extraction rather than a sponsored worker or uni student), and you may find that what they have heard from the radio', on Twitter or from 30 seconds on the telly is that this is not a place to come.

Anyway, as a rookie punter, and from a customer perspective, I hope things get better!!   

[lillythesavage]

My two cents (or should I say shillings?) as a non-Brit punter:

In addition to the many points that several of you have stated, I would like to add, at risk of stating the obvious, that many people take decisions based on perceptions rather than facts.

The preconception created by freedom of movement was poor people being encouraged to leave poor countries for the pot of gold offered.

You lot are moaning about the lack of cheap EE hookers, along with cheap labour, as long as you get cheap sex, cheap food and do not have to wash your own car, there is no thought for the people involved.

People leaving home friends and family, for a wage they can barely live on, living in cramped conditions you would not accept yourself, to pick/ serve/ deliver/ clean commodities they cannot afford to buy themselves. You have just been accepting this as the norm, it is not anymore so you blame Brexit.

The Fact the Govt. has been subsidising big business and slum landlords with in work benefits is of no concern, as long as cheap pussy, food and commodities are served to you.

This is how you think things should be  , poor countries getting poorer, losing all their young labour, educated or not, people you would barely give the time of day, let alone consider the conditions they live in or how they are exploited by the people they work for and the dumps they can afford to live in, as long as they serve your plate of food, a plate they could never afford themselves, all is good in the world 

All you are worried about is the lack of hookers and the cost to you, not you personally, remoaners in general.

Bunch of hypocrites, how would you feel if your only child had to live in dump, work too many hours, in a strange country and send money back to you, just so you can all survive?

Final word, you can all carry on moaning amongst yourselves, if the EU is so good, why are all member states not equal?, why are some raped to feed others ?  Why do people risk their lives to leave the EU and get to our little Island ? This is your Utopia?

[londonroad]

You’re not wrong. That’s why fees are rocketing whilst service standards aren’t. Brexit, Covid, job surpluses, more men punting and less women working. It’s all starting to bite.

Another significant cost increase is hotel price rises in Central London. As a guy who generally sees sugar babes in London, as well as the allowance, I have to also pay for a hotel. In recent weeks I am finding hotel prices in Central London have dramatically increased. I fear hotel prices in Central London will now remain high for the summer because of the return of overseas visitors.

It is difficult (impossible?) to assess how much allowances for SBs in London have actually increased (certainly not reduced!), but when you add in the increased hotel costs - it is becoming an expensive hobby. Also, in my experience, is now less genuine London SBs on the Seeking site. So like on AW the supply of girls is down.

So in summary, is less SPs (from AW) and less SBs (from Seeking) plus rates/allowances increasing. So all in all, it is challenging to find quality girls in London for this hobby at present.

[king tarzan]

Another significant cost increase is hotel price rises in Central London. As a guy who generally sees sugar babes in London, as well as the allowance, I have to also pay for a hotel. In recent weeks I am finding hotel prices in Central London have dramatically increased. I fear hotel prices in Central London will now remain high for the summer because of the return of overseas visitors.

It is difficult (impossible?) to assess how much allowances for SBs in London have actually increased (certainly not reduced!), but when you add in the increased hotel costs - it is becoming an expensive hobby. Also, in my experience, is now less genuine London SBs on the Seeking site. So like on AW the supply of girls is down.

So in summary, is less SPs (from AW) and less SBs (from Seeking) plus rates/allowances increasing. So all in all, it is challenging to find quality girls in London for this hobby at present.

You obviously have money to waste so stop whinghing

[sparkus]

I suppose it's also the case that in addition to a reduction in the number of EEs etc. who fly in for a few months to make quick dosh there's also a lack of UK based/born women both taking up and remaining in sex work.

The number of UK based (not necessarily UK born) matures has plummeted, for instance.

[petermisc]

The preconception created by freedom of movement was poor people being encouraged to leave poor countries for the pot of gold offered.

You lot are moaning about the lack of cheap EE hookers, along with cheap labour, as long as you get cheap sex, cheap food and do not have to wash your own car, there is no thought for the people involved.

People leaving home friends and family, for a wage they can barely live on, living in cramped conditions you would not accept yourself, to pick/ serve/ deliver/ clean commodities they cannot afford to buy themselves. You have just been accepting this as the norm, it is not anymore so you blame Brexit.

The Fact the Govt. has been subsidising big business and slum landlords with in work benefits is of no concern, as long as cheap pussy, food and commodities are served to you.

This is how you think things should be  , poor countries getting poorer, losing all their young labour, educated or not, people you would barely give the time of day, let alone consider the conditions they live in or how they are exploited by the people they work for and the dumps they can afford to live in, as long as they serve your plate of food, a plate they could never afford themselves, all is good in the world 

All you are worried about is the lack of hookers and the cost to you, not you personally, remoaners in general.

Bunch of hypocrites, how would you feel if your only child had to live in dump, work too many hours, in a strange country and send money back to you, just so you can all survive?

Final word, you can all carry on moaning amongst yourselves, if the EU is so good, why are all member states not equal?, why are some raped to feed others ?  Why do people risk their lives to leave the EU and get to our little Island ? This is your Utopia?

It is wrong that everyone is not equal.  You are inherently exploiting anyone who is poorer than you.  What a load of communist drivel.

If we take the wave of Polish escorts who came here, for example.  Yes, they were initially packed into poor accomodation, but once they got themselves settled they moved into better.  I know several who were sending significant sums home to support their wider family.  And several who were able to afford to buy properties either here, or back home, from their earnings.

But you would prefer that people starve rather than be allowed to better themselves.  I suggest that it is you that is the hypocrite, as the main point of Brexit was to stop these poor foreigners from coming here and bettering themselves by taking our jobs.  As long as you are alright jack.

[petermisc]

The lock down and the current inflation situation has meant that we have moved from a buyers market into a suppliers market. The WGs are taking advantage. Whilst this is not good for the punters I cannot really blame the WGs for doing what they are doing. What this means is that a punter will need to plan ahead more: Instead of trying to secure a booking on a day, try booking a few days in advance.

The only trouble is that when everyone is doing that, you will need to book a week or two in advance to get in ahead of the crowd, and the timeline will move ever outward.  I may have to book my son in for a punt at the same time as I put his name down for Eton.

[Stephan200210]

If you already have a good reliable regular, then you will be in a good position to ride out the current market until the buyers market returns (unless the regular retires that is). For those who do not have a good relationship (strictly professional - need to be careful of EAS) then you now have the job of finding a regular. A lot of the good reliable WGs will already have a group of regulars who will now be spending more money with them. Hence they will have less need of taking on new customers. This may well be an explanation of why some members of the board have had trouble securing booking.
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The above applies to me, which is why I find it all so frustrating. My three or so regulars, who I saw for three years plus, have all moved on. Great for them and absolutely the right decision. But, as stated, it is hard to find new girls who could become regulars. There are few I find appealing. Those that are tend to move "in and out" of the business and you cannot rely on them to become "reliable regulars". Also, pricing seems to change (upwards) almost on a weekly basis. I am hoping things move back into some type of equilibrium before too long, and then back into a market that favours the punter.

[hawkzville]

What an interesting range of views and points, it almost felt like standing around in a pub with a pint setting the world to right...... but as is often the case in such conversations the conclusion is to realise that we "never had it so good" and to pine for the past. The truth is then that "glory days" are behind us, certainly for the time being anyway.

I grew up in the 70's when we all had part time jobs as teenagers, I for one spent many a school summer holiday crop picking; some friends worked in supermarkets, hotels etc etc. When I started punting then there was no internet just street walkers, advert is various publications etc and (from my memory) the vast majority of the SP's were British. I vividly remember a couple of Geordie girls who'd rent a caravan near Weston-Super-Mare for example (where I grew up) and it was just "local knowledge".

The advent of the internet coincided with the influx of Europeans - my own children couldn't get part time jobs (or couldn't be bothered).

And now here we are again; times have changed. For whatever reason many of the Europeans have stopped. For me, the current "choice" on the internet doesn't meet my taste, added to my health issues it's far less of an issue than it would have been and I'm happy to lay on a table and be massaged from time to time, with extra's appreciated but not essential.

My point is that this really is the oldest profession; it will constantly evolve but it will continue. What makes it different to the pre-internet/pre-European invasion times is that currently the British SP's haven't really twigged the gap in the market - or perhaps they have found other ways to make good money and what we now have is as good as its going to get?

[Handel2020]

My point is that this really is the oldest profession; it will constantly evolve but it will continue. What makes it different to the pre-internet/pre-European invasion times is that currently the British SP's haven't really twigged the gap in the market - or perhaps they have found other ways to make good money and what we now have is as good as its going to get?

I suppose they are on Onlyfans or Insta, and why wouldn't they be? I heard one D list celeb saying "If I wasn't doing this I'd be a stripper" when talking about her Instagram career, and that sums a lot of it up with regards to WGs. I feel like I seen the decline coming although Covid and other factors have played a part. I talked about this in the past but other guys insisted that with all the Romanians in London we were spoled for choice. My pre-internet punting days seem like a dream, walking into a massage parlour ful of Italians, Spanish, Maltese, Polish and even British. I haven't given up yet as there are some profiles I am yet to try, but the only answer is to pay more. From the reviews I see I am doubting I can get a decent punt without spending quite a bit more money.

[PLeisure]

I suppose they are on Onlyfans or Insta, and why wouldn't they be? I heard one D list celeb saying "If I wasn't doing this I'd be a stripper" when talking about her Instagram career, and that sums a lot of it up with regards to WGs. I feel like I seen the decline coming although Covid and other factors have played a part. I talked about this in the past but other guys insisted that with all the Romanians in London we were spoled for choice. My pre-internet punting days seem like a dream, walking into a massage parlour ful of Italians, Spanish, Maltese, Polish and even British. I haven't given up yet as there are some profiles I am yet to try, but the only answer is to pay more. From the reviews I see I am doubting I can get a decent punt without spending quite a bit more money.

That's no guarantee there will be an improvement 

[lillythesavage]

What an interesting range of views and points, it almost felt like standing around in a pub with a pint setting the world to right...... but as is often the case in such conversations the conclusion is to realise that we "never had it so good" and to pine for the past. The truth is then that "glory days" are behind us, certainly for the time being anyway.

I grew up in the 70's when we all had part time jobs as teenagers, I for one spent many a school summer holiday crop picking; some friends worked in supermarkets, hotels etc etc. When I started punting then there was no internet just street walkers, advert is various publications etc and (from my memory) the vast majority of the SP's were British. I vividly remember a couple of Geordie girls who'd rent a caravan near Weston-Super-Mare for example (where I grew up) and it was just "local knowledge".

The advent of the internet coincided with the influx of Europeans - my own children couldn't get part time jobs (or couldn't be bothered).

And now here we are again; times have changed. For whatever reason many of the Europeans have stopped. For me, the current "choice" on the internet doesn't meet my taste, added to my health issues it's far less of an issue than it would have been and I'm happy to lay on a table and be massaged from time to time, with extra's appreciated but not essential.

My point is that this really is the oldest profession; it will constantly evolve but it will continue. What makes it different to the pre-internet/pre-European invasion times is that currently the British SP's haven't really twigged the gap in the market - or perhaps they have found other ways to make good money and what we now have is as good as its going to get?

Interesting post that makes some good points about days gone by.

" Local knowledge  " Brings up a point that gets forgotten, there was respect, even for SP,s, even street walkers, they provided a service and everyone around knew, today though, they would be hounded by chancers, wanabee pimps, dealers, stalkers and anything else you can think of.

Today it is a constant battle to keep safe, hidden from the idiots, and those that have had it drummed into them it is immoral and these women need saving from themselves.

There was respect in neighbourhoods, kids were always looked out for, most like me, latch key kids who only went home to eat and sleep, now kids playing in the street are regarded as a nuisance, sure, there were flashers in the park, or the forest in my case, sometimes your bike got nicked, but no pushers, no one trying to take you away, stab you in the back for your trainers, it was just how it was, something to take in your stride.

It is different now, people do not know neighbours, I always knew where I would get fed when my parents were at work in the school holidays, no one paid for childcare, like you said, money was always there to be earned.

The internet is to blame for lots of this, local news is worldwide news, creates fear, big business has fed on this, creating paid for child care, looking after the elderly was done by family, now a care home is the norm, with big profits to be made.

Where family once stayed close, married locally, the internet has changed that too, dating as we knew it is almost gone, their is money to be made from it, we have been conditioned not to talk to people, in bars, on trains, just about anywhere.

Just my view of how the internet changed things, and I feel we have been conditioned by it, nobody has time for anything, why would we, the internet can get everything delivered and we can stay behind our closed doors.

[petermisc]

Interesting post that makes some good points about days gone by.

Where family once stayed close, married locally, the internet has changed that too, dating as we knew it is almost gone, their is money to be made from it, we have been conditioned not to talk to people, in bars, on trains, just about anywhere.

Just my view of how the internet changed things, and I feel we have been conditioned by it, nobody has time for anything, why would we, the internet can get everything delivered and we can stay behind our closed doors.

Since when did family stay local?  In the boonies perhaps, but when I was young, we regularly spent hours of a weekend stuffed in the car visiting assorted aunts and uncles and other family in the back of beyond.  And most of my friends had family all over the place too.

Agreed that where once you knew most people in your street, and looked out for one another, that had died long before the internet came along.  I think it was TV that did it.  When I was young, my parents regularly used to go out with friends and neighbours, but by the time I left home they were just spending every night glued to the box.

[king tarzan]

Since when did family stay local?  In the boonies perhaps, but when I was young, we regularly spent hours of a weekend stuffed in the car visiting assorted aunts and uncles and other family in the back of beyond.  And most of my friends had family all over the place too.

Agreed that where once you knew most people in your street, and looked out for one another, that had died long before the internet came along.  I think it was TV that did it.  When I was young, my parents regularly used to go out with friends and neighbours, but by the time I left home they were just spending every night glued to the box.

The good old days are long gone..

Yes I'm impressed by the car designs..
The internet ( to a certain point)

Everything else is in decay..

[JustaPunter]

It is more interesting that those who voted for Brexit want us to forget that it happened.  You would have thought that all the Little Englanders who voted for it would be crowing about how much better our life is now that we are out of the EU.  For some reason, they aren't.  Instead they come on threads discussing why things are worse now to whinge about remoaners.

You have swallowed the EU Koolaid.

For a start I am not English

And also I have been anti EU for close to three decades.

Simply because I don’t form an opinion based on what the Media tells me, I form one from personal experience.

[king tarzan]

You have swallowed the EU Koolaid.

For a start I am not English

And also I have been anti EU for close to three decades.

Simply because I don’t form an opinion based on what the Media tells me, I form one from personal experience.

Always observe.. have a snakes 6th sense..
Make your own unbiased judgement is my motto in life..

That's why I don't get bitten because it's a cunt world out there outside my doorstep..

[lillythesavage]

Since when did family stay local?  In the boonies perhaps, but when I was young, we regularly spent hours of a weekend stuffed in the car visiting assorted aunts and uncles and other family in the back of beyond.  And most of my friends had family all over the place too.

Agreed that where once you knew most people in your street, and looked out for one another, that had died long before the internet came along.  I think it was TV that did it.  When I was young, my parents regularly used to go out with friends and neighbours, but by the time I left home they were just spending every night glued to the box.

The back and beyond was probably 20 or 30 miles in a slow car on roads that are not what they are today, with no aircon on a hot day and steamed up windows on a wet day  . To visit those that made a few quid and moved out a little  . It  just seemed like a chore to a kid used to playing out with mates, you were alone or only with siblings, told to sit and behave, it all made it not what you wanted to do.

TV had something to do with it too, along with the internet, remember when everyone would gather to watch one programme, a football match, then go back to normal ?

Going out with friends and relatives, work colleagues, you knew every one in the pub or social club, those you did not know, you soon did, go in a pub now, and alone, you stay alone, in a group, you chat amongst the group, in a room of strangers.

Places you would talk to others, make new friends, maybe meet the opposite sex, are just faceless people staring at phones, the internet has giving us this, it tells us we do not need to go out, it will deliver everything to us, tells us we need the latest tech to keep up, so we can isolate even more with it.

We are bombarded with ads, aimed specifically at us, we are told we do not need to speak to companies to get customer service, just use an app.

Be honest, how many see an incident, an ambulance coming for an elderly or sick neighbour, walk past or look out of the window and let it go out of your mind?

Eventually the only people going out will be to go to work or school, the streets will be owned by delivery minions, dating and meeting partners has already changed to online, try chatting up someone you are seen as a weirdo or nonce  , bit by bit, we are being conditioned to total reliability on the internet, paying up front for everything, then having a fruitless time consuming battle when it does not match the description, is stone cold, or does not work, when it could be sorted in minutes face to face or on the phone.

Most of us are guilty of accepting and sleep walking into this, because the internet tells us it is the way to go, it is easier for our busy lives, because we have to work long hours to pay for everything the internet tells us we need, all the time feeding big business with more profit.

If you really believe society has not changed with the internet, that we isolate ourselves because of it, then it really is working how those making money from it intended 

[Stephan200210]

This thread seems to have really evolved (degenerated?) into a rose-tinted, or otherwise, reminiscence into the distant past. All that is well and good, but the thread's theme is London booking and how it is so difficult at present. One only has to look back 3-4 years to see the Capital was flush with SPs, many at £150, good looking and, in many/most cases getting positive reviews. Lots from the EE and beyond, with a steady influx of Thais (albeit not as many as 5-6 years ago, I would say). As with most things (everything) in life it is a question of supply and demand. When those are out of balance, one of the parties is disadvantaged. Maybe there are fewer punters, but only because of the dearth of girls and high prices - so many guys sitting it out. So why the imbalance and a lack of SPs? High London rents and the crackdown on those without papers, the Hostile Environment generally, Brexit, Covid, fall in Sterling, and other options SPs may have to earn money - such as OnlyFans. And maybe many SPs decided "enough was enough" and moved on, while there is a lack of "new blood" coming into the industry. And perhaps the above is relevant to the job situation generally - flights and airports to be one example. Many things are beyond our control (oil prices and global demand). That said, by making it difficult for people to come to the UK we have shot ourselves in the foot. From a punter point of view, we need to make it easy for SPs (and other workers) to come to the UK. We need to create again a supply imbalance, in favour of the purchasers of services (including SP services) which will push SP prices down (or keep them at reasonable levels) and increase quality.