Coming twice in an hour, dopamine and ragtime

[Marmalade]

Some interesting facts on Wikipedia (with reasonable supporting references)

Quick version:
When a prossie is on or near her rag you're less likely to want to come.
Apparently it's physiological not just PMS and Romanian genetic obnoxiousness. 
We somehow 'sense' it,  even at a subliminal level.

On the other hand, when she's ovulating, wanting to come up her chuff pretty quick is far more tempting!

Built in animal propagation instincts?


Now here's another one...

Feelings of elation when you pump and dump will possibly mean it takes longer to get hard again.

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(longer version below, edited down from Wikipedia, and less of a broad brush, for those interested. Search for IELT and/or refractory period)

IELT =  intravaginal ejaculation latency time

SSRIs (e.g. dapoxetine) delay ejaculation by blocking a physiological process connected to ejaculatory inevitability, "the male point of no return". For that reason, SSRIs can be prescribed to treat premature ejaculation.

A man's response time varies with a woman's menstrual cycle; shorter IELTs occur nearest to ovulation.

Refractory period
An increased infusion of the hormone oxytocin during ejaculation is believed to be chiefly responsible for the male refractory period, and the amount by which oxytocin is increased may affect the length of each refractory period. Another chemical which is considered to be responsible for the male refractory period is prolactin, which is repressed by dopamine, which is responsible for sexual arousal.
Because of this, there is currently an experimental interest in drugs which inhibit prolactin, such as cabergoline. Anecdotal reports on cabergoline suggest it may be able to eliminate the refractory period altogether, allowing men to experience multiple ejaculatory orgasms in rapid succession. At least one scientific study supports these claims,although cabergoline is a hormone-altering drug and has many potential side effects

Enjoy   

[HailWood]

Cheers Marmalade. Very interesting info. 

[HarryZZ]

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Go on, who's gong to try it first?

[Doc Holliday]

Thanks Marmalade.

Re cabergoline External Link/Members Only I suspect you have may have already read this?

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Lot more work needed on this and I'm unsure personally if I would be happy experimenting with it?

As I posted in another thread recently re refractory period, https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=250246.msg2557388#msg2557388 my belief in overcoming the difficulties with the refractory period (should you feel you need or want to) is to counteract the hormonal mechanism by 'cerebral control' and initially maintaining arousal (dopamine) levels and then further increasing levels immediately post orgasm. In effect resist giving in to the serotonin/prolactin effects.

All too often I feel we are looking at an extrinsic chemical solution when intrinsic control may be possible although just as the cabergoline may not work for everyone neither may taking matters into your own hands/head.

Its also important to note a distinction between male multiple orgasms and ejaculation.
Whilst scientifically there is not a great deal of research on this either some men were found to be able to orgasm without ejaculation (this includes dry ejaculations).

It is believed that it is ejaculation that produces the refractory period and not the orgasm per se, but for most of us there is no distinction. Many of these men had trained themselves to do this and it is believed it may be possible for many others to also do so and you will find articles about this based on pelvic floor muscle control and Kegel excercises etc.

My own view is that this is just an advanced form of edging. What interested me more were the reports (fewer in number) of guys who could orgasm to ejaculation and then repeat the process, (not necessarily immediately but within the same session), but importantly with no loss of erection or refractory period. This confounded the scientists. I seem to recall there is one famous guy quoted in the literature who could do this half a dozen times in something like 40 minutes.

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[Marmalade]

Just a quick reply without answering all the points, I tried cabergoline once to help sleep on long haul flights but wasn’t that fond of it personally. Keeping a good serotonin-dopamine balance is interesting though, whether by diet or (as you maybe suggest) by various other means.

I’ve never understood the girls-in-rag thing but pleased to see something that confirms it a bit. Suspect pheromones play a part on how punters react to it.

[Marmalade]

Agree with you completely on the muscles thing. Also the psychology is quite good.  But still have consideration for punters who want to come, especially with age-related difficulties. 

[RogerBoner]

Sometimes seeing is believing

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[Marmalade]

Go me wondering about it.

“Various factors may facilitate multiple orgasms: (1) practicing to have an orgasm without ejaculation; (2) using psychostimulant drugs; (3) having multiple and/or novel sexual partners; or (4) using sex toys to enhance tactile stimulation. However, confirmatory physiological data on any of these factors are few.”
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I can vouch for No.3 from many years ago. One average shag followed swiftly by the sudden appearance of a totally new hottie. Have practiced the first one too (this can be learnt, as the article confirms). In the full report, the main drugs reported were amphetamines, sniffing cocaine and MDA. I’m no longer interested in using illegal drugs, even ‘safely’ (as I did when a teenager), though the pharmacokinetics would be interesting if anyone knows more (cocaine sounds the more promising). There’s a lot of interesting detail and references in the full article (for those who can get through the paywall). Unfortunately I think the forum would get bored with discussing it in detail.

[Marmalade]

Re cabergoline

Bremelanotide is another one. While slightly off the original topic, it’s worth mentioning these. For guys that don’t have success with sildenafil and aren’t afraid of an open discussion with their GP, possibly worth bringing to his/her attention... It’s a variation of Melanotan II which “produces spontaneous erections”. There also the possibility of serious side effects, so not to be undertaken lightly (cue mainstream warnings from Scutty hehe).
Salvage of Sildenafil Failures With Bremelanotide: A Randomized, Double-Blind, Placebo Controlled Study, Safarinejad et al. PMID: 18206919
but also
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Cabergoline is certainly easier to obtain medically, although “reclaiming your wood” is unfortunately not on the BNF list of recommended indications. External Link/Members Only
Private prescription maybe.

[PhelTGrik]

Bromocriptine is another D2 agonist,, weaker than caber but clears from system in 30hrs. Also being examined as possible diabetes medication

[PepeMAGA]

has anyone tried Macuna Pruriens? supposed to increase Dopamine levels.

[Marmalade]

has anyone tried Macuna Pruriens? supposed to increase Dopamine levels.

Not tried it but would be interested to hear of experiences. Seems like one of those vague Ayurvedic drugs that ticks a lot of boxes (even if some of the ticks are in crayon).
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My guess is that it might restore your wood balance if your system’s a bit out of whack. Thinking about dopamine can be a headbanger as it’s just one part of a complex system, which is maybe why stimulating the dopaminergic pathways (rather than the amount of dopamine in the brain) works for some people and not others.

For instance, “it is likely that dopamine can trigger penile erection by acting on oxytocinergic neurons located in the paraventricular nucleus of the hypothalamus, and perhaps on the pro-erectile sacral parasympathetic nucleus within the spinal cord” ... which explains a possible process if it does work, rather than saying outright that it will work!

Dopamine features in motivation, get-up-and-go, alpha-male characteristics, all that stuff. But a bit like the viagra ad says (I paraphrase) “Stimulation is necessary. If that cuntish robotic Romanian fucking skank doesn’t appeal to you then you’ve wasted your hard-earned cash ... but with increased dopamine activity you’ll at least keep trying...” 

Here’s a nice bedtime story just so we don’t get too excited.
DOI: 10.4103/0971-8990.153717

[Doc Holliday]

Bremelanotide is another one.

Interesting. It seems it is licenced (almost) in US as a treatment for female sexual dysfunction. Delivered by a subcutaneous injection possibly using a 'pen' (for ease of use)about an hour or two before sex.

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Conjures up this future image of guys popping a blue pill whilst 'sticking' their 'frigid' other half.

"It's just a tiny prick dear"

"Yes I know that already ......... ouch!!"

"................... wow fuck me hard my big boy" 

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[PepeMAGA]

Not tried it but would be interested to hear of experiences. Seems like one of those vague Ayurvedic drugs that ticks a lot of boxes (even if some of the ticks are in crayon).
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My guess is that it might restore your wood balance if your system’s a bit out of whack. Thinking about dopamine can be a headbanger as it’s just one part of a complex system, which is maybe why stimulating the dopaminergic pathways (rather than the amount of dopamine in the brain) works for some people and not others.

For instance, “it is likely that dopamine can trigger penile erection by acting on oxytocinergic neurons located in the paraventricular nucleus of the hypothalamus, and perhaps on the pro-erectile sacral parasympathetic nucleus within the spinal cord” ... which explains a possible process if it does work, rather than saying outright that it will work!

Dopamine features in motivation, get-up-and-go, alpha-male characteristics, all that stuff. But a bit like the viagra ad says (I paraphrase) “Stimulation is necessary. If that cuntish robotic Romanian fucking skank doesn’t appeal to you then you’ve wasted your hard-earned cash ... but with increased dopamine activity you’ll at least keep trying...” 

Here’s a nice bedtime story just so we don’t get too excited.
DOI: 10.4103/0971-8990.153717

I'm mulling over trying it. I'm not bothered about coming twice, but sometimes I'll find it difficult to do it once, so may be useful for that.