Rates / Prices / yo - yo ???

[The_Don]

I'm sure some here (that have been using for some time) have views, just like the newer users.
We as a group of users that use the services of W/G  (dam confusing my self now.) 

I've seen some W/G priced £180 P/H and some at £60 P/H and don't think that the service was x3 vs the cost (60 to 180). It got me thinking  when I seen this post about some thoughts I had when a W/G stated to me she was thinking about upping prices. I've had it before when I've been to see a W/G at one price and the next visit she upper her price (I had the old rate) but I've not been back to see her because in my view at the upped rate their is more on offer else where!

Looks and bodies type may play a role, at the end of the day its the whole experience and level of service is what matters to me most (in my view). We all want cheaper prices, but the reality is prices and  costs do go up:

example 1: 3 years ago I could buy 52 wash box of washing powder on special for £4 (and I would stock up at this price = 4 to 6 + boxes) now its 39/42 wash per box @ £6.

example 2:walkers crisps in the pound shop are 5X25g bags for a pound 20p ea. Tesco 6x25g bags cost £1.68. So pound shop looks cheaper!
But up the amount in a packet 20x25g = £3.99 or when on offer 26x25g can be as low as £3 (present price on my mysupermarket.co.uk)

1: shows how the cost and size has changed to compensate for price rises in cost and production.

2: show marketing (of the same basic product = 25g bag), a package for a £1 (5 bags = .20p ea,  6 @ 1.68 = .28p ea)  or 26 @ £3 = .12p ea (rounded up)

Now when it comes to a service their are still costs (won't go in to them but some may wish to add?)
I've seen some W/G have the same price per hour or half hour (for 1 or 2 + years) why, may be they know, where they sit or fit in a (service) market? or their happy at that rate vs number of punters etc?

Other have upper prices and in no way in linked with service or rising costs (in my view). I remember the first time I seen Emma Butt in porn (a hand job porno) it was pre boob job (blond hair yes blond). I have visited Freeones.com many times to look up porn stars and found a thread (porn star escorts). This lead me to find different sites punting related!

This has happened over the course of 3+ years The first time I found Emma butts profile she was priced £150 per hour, now she £300 per hour (upped 100% in 3 + years). Why because she has more exposure (bigger star) or because some punters will pay (above the odds?) to punt a porn star     

I mite spend up to £250 P/H but it would have to be the right star, and I think the reality of the punt mite be poor (not as good). As we see them in porns but punting sex is more than just looks / body types or some story lines in a porno. You have to click and or the W/G has to make an effort to please (what she being paid for = a  professional service)   

When I punt some of these W/G it mite cost me a full working days pay (or some times more).  So the trade off is 9.5 + hours (at work for me) mite = 1 hour (W/G) that's a very good rate of pay per hour (as well as not paying taxes = cash in hand) And some of the girls I've seen (or walked from) are just so poor service wise. I feel sorry for minimum wage workers (that offer a better service in their professional jobs, not W/G but workers).


So if a W/G is good value @ £80 P/H (just a figure I picked) and has been for 2+ years would you say its fair for her to jump to £110 (35%) or to only go £90 (I hate the £5 in profiles but its a smaller percentage in line with inflation and not so hard to deal with). If some up their price to much the phones will get dusty     

A little increase (mite be acceptable)?

Stay the same rate (is good)?

A drop in price (is fantastic) ?


I have also noticed that a lot of girl have dropped their price pre xmas  (they want cash or punter are spending more on xmas for them selfs and not W/G ??? )

So another questions is:

What really drives a price vs service?

I look forward to reading and discussing (and please, no flame wars. Be nice; but put your view across )

Thanks 

[JamesKW]

A little increase (mite be acceptable)?

Stay the same rate (is good)?

A drop in price (is fantastic) ?


I have also noticed that a lot of girl have dropped their price pre xmas  (they want cash or punter are spending more on xmas for them selfs and not W/G ??? )

So another questions is:

What really drives a price vs service?

I look forward to reading and discussing (and please, no flame wars. Be nice; but put your view across )

Thanks 

They should be getting cheaper as they are getting older.

[James999]

Can someone summarise (if it's worth it) the opening post

[cockneybstrd]

Can someone summarise (if it's worth it) the opening post

Its not really James

Yet another Price vs Service with a lot of blathering on about how when soap powder is on cheap he used to get a lot and you get less for your money these days

[knightofthegarter]

The OP has written about the rising prices of some wgs. To what extent is this justified ? He has also asked about what factors lead to rises in price. He has also commented that there is often not much of a link between the level of service and price. He has also provided some examples of prices of ordinary goods and how these have changed over the years as well as an example of a 100% price rise from one particular wg, now also a pornstar.

[smiths]

I'm sure some here (that have been using for some time) have views, just like the newer users.
We as a group of users that use the services of W/G  (dam confusing my self now.) 

I've seen some W/G priced £180 P/H and some at £60 P/H and don't think that the service was x3 vs the cost (60 to 180). It got me thinking  when I seen this post about some thoughts I had when a W/G stated to me she was thinking about upping prices. I've had it before when I've been to see a W/G at one price and the next visit she upper her price (I had the old rate) but I've not been back to see her because in my view at the upped rate their is more on offer else where!

Looks and bodies type may play a role, at the end of the day its the whole experience and level of service is what matters to me most (in my view). We all want cheaper prices, but the reality is prices and  costs do go up:

example 1: 3 years ago I could buy 52 wash box of washing powder on special for £4 (and I would stock up at this price = 4 to 6 + boxes) now its 39/42 wash per box @ £6.

example 2:walkers crisps in the pound shop are 5X25g bags for a pound 20p ea. Tesco 6x25g bags cost £1.68. So pound shop looks cheaper!
But up the amount in a packet 20x25g = £3.99 or when on offer 26x25g can be as low as £3 (present price on my mysupermarket.co.uk)

1: shows how the cost and size has changed to compensate for price rises in cost and production.

2: show marketing (of the same basic product = 25g bag), a package for a £1 (5 bags = .20p ea,  6 @ 1.68 = .28p ea)  or 26 @ £3 = .12p ea (rounded up)

Now when it comes to a service their are still costs (won't go in to them but some may wish to add?)
I've seen some W/G have the same price per hour or half hour (for 1 or 2 + years) why, may be they know, where they sit or fit in a (service) market? or their happy at that rate vs number of punters etc?

Other have upper prices and in no way in linked with service or rising costs (in my view). I remember the first time I seen Emma Butt in porn (a hand job porno) it was pre boob job (blond hair yes blond). I have visited Freeones.com many times to look up porn stars and found a thread (porn star escorts). This lead me to find different sites punting related!

This has happened over the course of 3+ years The first time I found Emma butts profile she was priced £150 per hour, now she £300 per hour (upped 100% in 3 + years). Why because she has more exposure (bigger star) or because some punters will pay (above the odds?) to punt a porn star     

I mite spend up to £250 P/H but it would have to be the right star, and I think the reality of the punt mite be poor (not as good). As we see them in porns but punting sex is more than just looks / body types or some story lines in a porno. You have to click and or the W/G has to make an effort to please (what she being paid for = a  professional service)   

When I punt some of these W/G it mite cost me a full working days pay (or some times more).  So the trade off is 9.5 + hours (at work for me) mite = 1 hour (W/G) that's a very good rate of pay per hour (as well as not paying taxes = cash in hand) And some of the girls I've seen (or walked from) are just so poor service wise. I feel sorry for minimum wage workers (that offer a better service in their professional jobs, not W/G but workers).


So if a W/G is good value @ £80 P/H (just a figure I picked) and has been for 2+ years would you say its fair for her to jump to £110 (35%) or to only go £90 (I hate the £5 in profiles but its a smaller percentage in line with inflation and not so hard to deal with). If some up their price to much the phones will get dusty     

A little increase (mite be acceptable)?

Stay the same rate (is good)?

A drop in price (is fantastic) ?


I have also noticed that a lot of girl have dropped their price pre xmas  (they want cash or punter are spending more on xmas for them selfs and not W/G ??? )

So another questions is:

What really drives a price vs service?

I look forward to reading and discussing (and please, no flame wars. Be nice; but put your view across )

Thanks 

What a WG charges is her business as i see it. If i think its too much i look elsewhere. It isnt the case though that ALL punters want cheaper prices, in fact some want to pay more. Redcab on here for example wont pay under £100 an hour as to him ALL WGs who charge under that are skanks, even the one he did a positive review on, though he made no mention of her being a skank in the review. Some punters think paying more means better, absolute rubbish as what makes a good WG is her attitude NOT what she happens to charge.

My punting costs on average have actually gone down in the last 10 years, a mixture of finding punting forums, meeting and talking to other punters, stopping punting through Agencies and capping what i am prepared tp pay to an absolute maximum of £200 an hour, i have paid between £60-190 an hour this year so far. Both the £60 and £190 an hour punts were good VFM to me.

You mention Emma Butt, she worked at LMP for £140 for 2 hours for sometime, some pornstars obviously trade on their porn and get punters attracted to them through it prepared tp pay what i class as high rates. In 2008 i paid £180 for the hour to punt with the excellent Keira Pharrell and that was also great VFM to me.

If i punt with a regular and she decides to raise her prices, if she doesnt keep me on her old rate i go elsewhere as i see that as taking the piss. Most have kept me on their old rate.

As to prices generally, sometimes there is no obvious logic to what a WG or her pimp charge, sometimes it matches others in the same area. Not all are smart of course especially some pimps who cant make the same money doing anything else, with these people they often only look at the short term having no interest in the medium to long term, quick money is all that interests them. Then there are the snob punters who want to pay more in the hope that punters like me wouldnt of soiled their beloved WG. The rich punter and the total mug punter who will pay whatever a WG they fancy charges, some unaware or uninterested in this forum which can help punters locate recommended WGs.

As to whether its fair that a WG raises her prices, not my business, i want to pay as little as i can to punt with WGs i fancy whatever their rate up to £200 an hour may be. I think its absloutely disgusting that some punters advise a WG to raise her prices though.

[knightofthegarter]

When I first started punting, my average fee paid for an hour was £120. Taking average rates of inflation, I am now prepared to see a girl at £150 p/h. The reality is though, that there are many good wgs charging in the £120-130 p/h range and they would be more likely to get my custom, all things being equal. The absolute maximum I would consider would be £160. I agree with Smiths and his general argument of the cheaper the better but I have only ever punted with one girl who charged less than £100 p/h who was really good. At the same time, it is entirely the wg's right to charge what she wants, though she may end up making less money, rather than more.

Sometimes price rises are based on flawed logic. An independent wg who raises her prices may actually end up going through a punter's spending limit and lose his custom entirely. We all have our bills to pay, nothing to do with being tight.If a wg's rate is fair and she offers a good service, I will usually book 90 mins - 2.5 hours, meaning she ends up with much more than a wg who charges silly rates. In my opinion, an independent wg has to be really successful to get more than three bookings regularly per day. Those charging £300 will be lucky to average one and really are cutting off their nose to spite their face.

[sublimetoridiculous]

What really drives a price vs service?

I'm reminded of studying economics at university all those years ago.

I even remember there were things called backwards bending demand curves, but I don't think they are relevant. Neither is marginal cost pricing or we'd all be getting nearly free shags.

Given that a significant proportion of punters will at any one moment think with their dicks, then any concept of demand led pricing goes out of the window.

So it's supply side price control. A WG will up prices until demand drops, then drop them until a level that suits. You see it sometimes on new profiles, the price waggles about a bit until they reach what works for them in balancing demand and income.

[MeesterNeek]

I'm reminded of studying economics at university all those years ago.

I even remember there were things called backwards bending demand curves, but I don't think they are relevant. Neither is marginal cost pricing or we'd all be getting nearly free shags.

Given that a significant proportion of punters will at any one moment think with their dicks, then any concept of demand led pricing goes out of the window.

So it's supply side price control. A WG will up prices until demand drops, then drop them until a level that suits. You see it sometimes on new profiles, the price waggles about a bit until they reach what works for them in balancing demand and income.

+1

Did not do economics at Uni but well versed in the business aspects of setting a commercial price. Also, it has been my experience that the quoted price is often negotiable anyway - you can evidence this by trying a RB  and seeing how many bids come in at below their usual rate.

In the final analysis though it is about the quality and the goods SPs are the ones who find the balance

[Jimmyredcab]

Can someone summarise (if it's worth it) the opening post

No, because it is a load of bollocks.     

You can't compare the price of crisps to shagging a pro$$ie.

They can charge whatever the market will stand, most pretty young girls will always be busy, BBWs will have dusty phones if they overprice their services.

[Jimmyredcab]

If you pay £200 an hour the service will not be twice as good as a girl who charges £100 an hour ---------- but the more you go under that £100 threshold the greater the risk, there is simply no reason why a pretty young girl would need to drop below £100 an hour, of course there will be exceptions, punting is not an exact science.   

[Private Parts]

If you pay £200 an hour the service will not be twice as good as a girl who charges £100 an hour ---------- but the more you go under that £100 threshold the greater the risk, there is simply no reason why a pretty young girl would need to drop below £100 an hour, of course there will be exceptions, punting is not an exact science.   

Exactly!
PP

[Jimmybob]

Supply and demand. Simple economics in business i think, if you cant get away with it, then charge it. If the girl has loads of great fb, she will be popular and then up her prices, why the fuck wouldnt she?. It makes sense, why wouldnt you?  If i operated a b&b that had the best feedback on tripadvisor and i am fully booked up for the next six mths I would start charging more. Its not personal, just business.

[smiths]

If you pay £200 an hour the service will not be twice as good as a girl who charges £100 an hour ---------- but the more you go under that £100 threshold the greater the risk, there is simply no reason why a pretty young girl would need to drop below £100 an hour, of course there will be exceptions, punting is not an exact science.   

As you have been told countless times some EE WGs or their pimps undercut the local WGs in their area in order to entice punters to them, and once established some put their prices up, this has been happening for years and years.

In addition charging say £80 an hour is big money for some WGs from poor countries and if they operate a conveyor belt they can make good money doing so. Some of these WGs come here for a few weeks, work a lot and go back home for a while before returning. They decide to charge what they do as presumably that gets them the punters they require.

Ifs been proved on here by many reviews that there are good WGs charging under £100 an hour, not ALL are skanks as you label them as.

[CBPaul]

Haven't read all of the OP and thanks for the summaries 

My take on it is that prossies can charge whatever they like and it is up to punters whether they are willing to pay that price. 

There is a difference of opinion though. I've felt that prossies base their price on how they look, how young they are, where they are in the country, the level of service they offer and also charge a premium for any of the more depraved (less vanilla) services. Problem is this is all subjective and being female they will all think that they are better than the next one on the hit list and thus worthy of a higher rate.

As punters I'd guess I'm not alone in seeking VFM, it's the level of service and enthusiasm in delivering it I'm interested in. Age, shape and location play a smaller part, I have my tastes and others have theirs. Just being early 20's with a banging body doesn't qualify a high price.

Big problem is that we punters sample a wide variety of prossies but few prossies sample each other and so have no basis for assessing how good they really are: if they give the best blow job or have the tightest pussy and ultimately if they are worth their prices.

Comes back to paying 200 an hour doesn't guarantee you a better experience than paying 100 quid.

[cunnyhunt]

You can't compare the price of crisps to shagging a pro$$ie.

Prawn cocktail crisps and reverse oral ?

[cylon]

I often wonder if the price a wg shows on her profile is a prestige thing. I've seen quite a few have £160 as their hourly rate but then promote a special offer this week (every week) or however long for £130 or there abouts. As for girls who charge 300 plus notes I get the feeling that whoring is not what they really like doing and I'd be amazed if they saw two clients a week. Mind you seeing some of the shit some leave as feedback I could be way off the mark there.

[SamLP]

I've never tried this but I've wondered whether politely asking a girl f she can do a lower price is acceptable or even common.
For example a girl price structure is 100 for half an hr, 130 for the hour. A nice polite text asking if she has any available times but without sounding rude my budget is limited, would she accept 70 for half an hr or 100 for the hour. If she has no bookings or a quiet day would she accept it or would they rigidly stick with their prices and opt for not taking the booking. Similarly would it affect the service.

[CBPaul]

I often wonder if the price a wg shows on her profile is a prestige thing. I've seen quite a few have £160 as their hourly rate but then promote a special offer this week (every week) or however long for £130 or there abouts.

I've always seen this as the way the female brain works - they see a reduced price on something and think 'hmmm bargain - must have it' irrespective of whether they actually want it or need it. Punters on the other hand will tend to ignore the original price and decided whether or not the actual price being charged is worth a punt.

Certainly works for every civvy I've been with for more than a week. Mrs CBP is a classic example - 'oh look this should have been £100 but was reduced to £50, so I've saved us £50' Actually no - it means you've only wasted 50 quid on a piece of crap we don't need (and you've warranted another 50 quid in my punting fund  )

[smiths]

I've never tried this but I've wondered whether politely asking a girl f she can do a lower price is acceptable or even common.
For example a girl price structure is 100 for half an hr, 130 for the hour. A nice polite text asking if she has any available times but without sounding rude my budget is limited, would she accept 70 for half an hr or 100 for the hour. If she has no bookings or a quiet day would she accept it or would they rigidly stick with their prices and opt for not taking the booking. Similarly would it affect the service.

Could be worth a try though i dont haggle for bookings up to 2 hours as i have already decided i am willing to pay the fee quoted. I have haggled politely and often got big discounts which i keep between me and the WG on longer bookings though.

IMO if a WG is popular and busy my logic says they might not haggle but RBs on A/W have shown thats not always the case with even popular WGs accepting lower rates, that tells me they arent as busy as i thought they were.

[Sedlmayer]

Haven't read all of the OP and thanks for the summaries 

My take on it is that prossies can charge whatever they like and it is up to punters whether they are willing to pay that price. 

There is a difference of opinion though. I've felt that prossies base their price on how they look, how young they are, where they are in the country, the level of service they offer and also charge a premium for any of the more depraved (less vanilla) services. Problem is this is all subjective and being female they will all think that they are better than the next one on the hit list and thus worthy of a higher rate.

As punters I'd guess I'm not alone in seeking VFM, it's the level of service and enthusiasm in delivering it I'm interested in. Age, shape and location play a smaller part, I have my tastes and others have theirs. Just being early 20's with a banging body doesn't qualify a high price.

Big problem is that we punters sample a wide variety of prossies but few prossies sample each other and so have no basis for assessing how good they really are: if they give the best blow job or have the tightest pussy and ultimately if they are worth their prices.

Comes back to paying 200 an hour doesn't guarantee you a better experience than paying 100 quid.

Agree with all of this, especially the highlighted bits. I haven't met a girl yet that was worth more than £140/hr at today's prices, so I won't pay more. I had a great punt very recently for £90/hr.

[SamLP]

Could be worth a try though i dont haggle for bookings up to 2 hours as i have already decided i am willing to pay the fee quoted. I have haggled politely and often got big discounts which i keep between me and the WG on longer bookings though.

IMO if a WG is popular and busy my logic says they might not haggle but RBs on A/W have shown thats not always the case with even popular WGs accepting lower rates, that tells me they arent as busy as i thought they were.

Could work of course and it depends on whether they are indie or not. Indies may be more flexible and still provide a good service.

[StPunt]

I've had it before when I've been to see a W/G at one price and the next visit she upper her price (I had the old rate)

....It must be love

[walking dead]

In any market  the price is what  people are willing to pay.
If they are too busy to take all bookings they get asked about, they are sensible  if they up their price.  I would!

Any girls  reading,  in am free .

[The_Don]

Its good to read different, points of view (sounds like the BBC) 

Sorry for the late reply (2 punts, dinner a film yesterday) and 2 more today! so I will add later 

[LL]

I skimmed through but found it hard to find what the point of the post was.
WGs' pricing is unregulated and up to them or their pimp.
I honestly believe that the girls, or their group just do whatever works for them.
Some want to charge as much as they can get away with.
Others want to charge a cheap rate to stay very busy and thus clean up (especially in busy areas)!
There are some that want to charge a cheap rate to attract business but don't want to appear too cheap to the likes of certain punters (ahem, Jimmy) who equate value-for-money with skankiness.

Since I've been punting I've paid a variety of rates to WGs.  The most expensive girls being £200 per hour and the cheapest at £60 per hour.  My most enjoyable and memorable of punts have been the cheaper ones.  Part of this is the "finding a gem" mentality I think.  It feels good to have a really good experience for a good price - like buying an inexpensive bottle of wine in a supermarket and discovering that actually it tastes as good to you as a posh bottle you once sampled at a fancy restaurant.

Last night I paid £40 for a 30 minute punt and that was one of the best sexual experiences I have ever had. (And no I won't be posting a review just yet ).

[smiths]

I skimmed through but found it hard to find what the point of the post was.
WGs' pricing is unregulated and up to them or their pimp.
I honestly believe that the girls, or their group just do whatever works for them.
Some want to charge as much as they can get away with.
Others want to charge a cheap rate to stay very busy and thus clean up (especially in busy areas)!
There are some that want to charge a cheap rate to attract business but don't want to appear too cheap to the likes of certain punters (ahem, Jimmy) who equate value-for-money with skankiness.

Since I've been punting I've paid a variety of rates to WGs.  The most expensive girls being £200 per hour and the cheapest at £60 per hour.  My most enjoyable and memorable of punts have been the cheaper ones.  Part of this is the "finding a gem" mentality I think.  It feels good to have a really good experience for a good price - like buying an inexpensive bottle of wine in a supermarket and discovering that actually it tastes as good to you as a posh bottle you once sampled at a fancy restaurant.

Last night I paid £40 for a 30 minute punt and that was one of the best sexual experiences I have ever had. (And no I won't be posting a review just yet ).

Excellent post.

[SamLP]

Last night I paid £40 for a 30 minute punt and that was one of the best sexual experiences I have ever had. (And no I won't be posting a review just yet ).

One of my regulars I see does £40 for half an hour. She's one of my favourites but unreviewed. I have difficulty enough getting a booking for Xena & a few others whereas I almost always see this one on short notice just like I did today.

[cockneybstrd]

For those former economic students discussing supply and demand. One also needs to look at the fact that for some punters pro$$ie are Veblen goods.
I.e Is that decreasing prices decreases the preference for selecting the good because they are no longer exclusive or are deemed low value

There of course a number of other micro economic factors which affect the demand and therefore price

Two of which which probably have the most effect are

The common law of business balance i.e low price of the good may indicate that the good is compromised and not of good quality i.e all under 100 per hour are skanks or those charging 60 quid an hour well they must be shit etc

You also have the 'snob' effect where price is quailty.

Anyway I am sure there are probably dissertations written on this issue