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Offline Punting2022

Long covid is known to cause ED too.



Offline Gent4life

I have read through this discussion and there are a lot of comments regarding taking non prescribed supplements, I have been a long time sufferer of ED and can say that in my case it just didn't work.

Then for a short amount of time I was using Kamagra Gels and that worked great but it did give me really noticeable side effects with vision and headaches, I was buying it from "sources" it was produced in India from I think it was Ajanta pharmacuticals?

They just stopped working in the end!

I then went back to the drawing board and did what the Board Moderator in this discussion has been saying, getting actual medical help, I have gone through a full range of bloods privately had all my results back and I was actually not deficient in any of the key hormones vitamins etc, from there I had a blood flow test at a Urology clinic where they inject you with a small amount of Alprostadil and then monitor the flow both in and out of the penis to ensure that you have the necessary flow to maintain an erection and to ensure that there is sufficient restriction to outflow of blood (obviously if it all goes in and out at the same rate you wont have an erection).  All of that with me came up completely clear.

So in theory there was NO reason for me not to get hard pre-sex and to go soft when having sex.  For context, I lost the ability to just get hard but I could with manual stimulation, but during sex I just couldn't last, this got worse over time and then the mental side gets involved too and that just exacerbated the issue.

I had to look at my lifestyle and my history, I used to be VERY overweight and this gave me high blood pressure and high cholesterol, in fact due to my genetics I am at a higher risk of both of those as well as diabetes.  In order to lose weight I became a serious cyclist and weights guy, I lost 54kg in the space of 18 months, so at the time I was taking the tests I was super fit and healthy and lean.  The problem was I believe the damage to my insides was already done and high cholesterol and blood pressure definitely play a role in ED.  Not only that but I was reading a lot of information linking cycling and ED, the constant impacts to the underside of the penis from the racing saddle.

Basically I had a lot going on from my past life and my current lifestyle.

After doing some more research I  decided to go to Harley Street for a "Miracle" treatment which had lots of serious people backing it, proper research, in fact some famous people we're openly admitting that it worked for them and saved their marriage!  I spent thousands on a course of treatment which basically took blood from me then spun it down into specific parts and one of those parts was then injected at various locations on my penis, extremely uncomfortable over various sessions.

Did it work?   NO!!!!!

So waste of time money and just wholly upsetting!

The cheek of the consultants were then to suggest stem cell surgery, literally talking tens of thousands for that, I told them to get lost!

I then spent about a year looking seriously at getting an implant, one of those ones where there is a reservoir and they remove one of your testes and replace it with a pump, invisible from the outside, but it means you can get hard whenever you want for as long as you want!

In fact as I was researching it, there was someone on Good Morning Britain who had had one and he came on with a sex worker to talk about it.  All seemed great, yes it works!

I actually chose not to go down this route, it wasn't expensive considering what you got (around 15k at the time I think), my partner didn't want me doing this.

So currently I am on Tadalafil 5ml/day and that is enough for me to get hard when I need to but still not maintain a long erection.

However I realised the only thing that for sure worked on me was that injection I was given (in fact it took hours for the fucker to go down!)

So my next battle was how do i get that injection, spent quite some time doing research into that and while doing that I found out they were developing one for the home use market.

You probably all know it its called Caverject Dual Chamber.

I spent a lot of time trying to get this on prescription but it's really really tough, well in my case it was, but I then decided to go back to Harley Street and guilt them into admitting I was probably in need of it, so I got my prescription.

I only use it once every month at the very most, it can be used whilst on Tadalafil.  If I am seeing an SP for a short time and to check her our then I rely on Tadalafil have lots of oral DFK and just fun, if I find an SP I really like then I go with the Caverject.

In conclusion explore all avenues medically you can possibly explore, do not just self diagnose or try supplements that we're not really qualified to fully understand what it may do to us, as that is setting you up for failure and more disappointment which in turn leads to deeper ED issues, not to mention any other damage we can do to ourselves.

My situation is not ideal but I accept it and I can have lots of fun with my prescribed medication.  I am looking at strengthening my PC muscles, I've done this in the past and it does make a difference, but I get lazy and then just stop doing them, but I am going to try and be more consistent and do what I can.

Your causes and therefore route to an acceptable outcome maybe different from mine but please seek professional medical support, also consider counselling as I know even I had some issues there with my previous long term marriage.   Longer term as I get into my 60s I may still go back to looking at getting an implant, especially if I plan to continue Punting, a small price to pay for guaranteed hardons for the next 15 years!

As men women think is so simple, we get hard, right? 

The truth of it is that men are actually quite complex where it comes to sexuality and what affects it.

I looked at that boots link, I might look into that, I will also look into the evidence around switching between meds like Cialis Levitra Viagra etc for more effectiveness if indeed the body does get used to taking one med for too long.

Feel free to message me directly if that's allowed on here, still a newbie.

Thanks all


« Last Edit: April 18, 2023, 11:55:24 am by Gent4life »

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

Thank you too, gent4life, very intresting reading!!

Offline Gent4life

Some might consider that too honest but if someone can get some help and move in the right direction because of this discussion then I am all for it.

I think this is a great forum, I used to feel guilty about Punting but I realise it's a damn sight better that having an affair and getting emotionally attached.

If you have tried all you can to get what you need at home and it's just not possible, then this has to be a better solution as long and no one is being hurt? :unknown:

Offline pantywetter

I use Cialis.  It’s more for recreation as I’m OK without it, but I do like the boost and faster recovery.  No side effects and lasts for a day.  It’s good stuff.

Offline Rockhead


Basically I had a lot going on from my past life and my current lifestyle.


This, to me, is the biggest factor - although you make some very interesting points elsewhere in what was a fascinating read. I hope you find some consistency in what works for you.

I wanted to ask the Doc, if he's still reading, how significant age is as a factor here? Clearly, it is significant - as the body ages, one expects things to proceed in a generally downhill direction. I am 52 later this month, but my somewhat hit-and-miss performance downstairs doesn't seem to have got worse (or better!). I've always been unable to predict what my body is going to do in that respect - even in my 20s, sometimes I was awesome and other times, quite mysteriously, could hardly get going.

Part of it must be psychological I presume. So far, the best way I've found to deal with it is to approach it with a touch of self-effacing humour i.e. I have no idea what my body is going to do next; let's find out!

Offline Punting2022

covid and the vaccines can be to blame too

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covid and the vaccines can be to blame too
Provide reliable and substantiated evidence of that.

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I said reliable evidence from recognised medical sources not some Sky news report.

"The study focused on four men", says it all really.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2023, 10:52:36 am by daviemac »

Offline JustaPunter

A quick Google brings this up so studys have been done as far as links to Covid.

Not seen anything relating to vaccines, but anything ia possible, wether it is a significant problem is a different matter.

Vaccine injury is fact and yes people have died from vaccines, nkt just Covid


But when a huge number of people are vaccinated over a period of a year or so then it will magnify the issue.


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I said reliable evidence from recognised medical sources not some Sky news report.

"The study focused on four men", says it all really.

As far as I can see, the quited paper is missing from the alleged authors official list of publications
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I said reliable evidence from recognised medical sources not some Sky news report.

"The study focused on four men", says it all really.

The Sky article ia based on a study.

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The Sky article ia based on a study.
Yes, of 4 men and further studies are needed.   :unknown:

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The study focused on four men who were having penile prosthesis surgery for erectile dysfunction.

Two had suffered with COVID-19, and two had not. They were all aged between 65 and 71 and of Hispanic ethnicity.

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"Any changes observed in ED after infection should be followed up with the appropriate specialist for treatment and to help further investigation into the condition.

"Future studies are needed to validate the effects of this virus on sexual function."

Offline Thephoenix



I wanted to ask the Doc, if he's still reading, how significant age is as a factor here? Clearly, it is significant - as the body ages, one expects things to proceed in a generally downhill direction.



I can only speak for myself to answer your question.

I think it's generally accepted that libido and testosterone levels peak in late teens.
Testosterone levels don't usually fall significantly until your 40s and reduced levels in some people 50+ may have an effect on libido.

I've got no idea if my testosterone levels have changed but from personal experience I can say that age related factors definitely have an adverse effect on  sexual activity.

At 82 I'm still very interested in sex.
Money is not a major factor, so why can't I still enjoy punting as I did in my 50s say?

The answer is related to ageing.

I'm not as physically fit, so don't have the energy levels to take part in full intercourse.
Ageing has brought about a variety of chronic health conditions that particularly affect erectile dysfunction.
Oral treatment for ED has become essential, with higher doses required to be effective, but higher doses= worse side effects, and these effects can be worse because of ageing.
Chronic health conditions can often be associated with ageing, and these can adversely effect performance, and the medication prescribed to treat these conditions may react adversely with ED meds causing worrying symptoms associated with low blood pressure etc.
Also ageing can have an effect on body image.

So from an old codger's POV.....Does ageing have a significant effect?
.........Answer:- sadly - yes!.......... Eventually!...
..........If you're lucky enough to live into your 80s.

BUT!.....Ageing will affect everyone differently.
&........... I'm only speaking from personal experience, not as a gerontologist. :hi:


Online timsussex

Well into my 70s now so
1) prefer a leisurely meet but not capable of two pops so tend to look for 45mins
2) no longer looking for lots of positions
3) sometimes the old bones (esp dodgy knees and bad back) mean just being lazy and stick to CG
4) Standing doggy with her kneeling on bed is also good
5) Cialis works for me Viagra gives me a headache

The key is to listen to your body and adapt your punts - oh and finding a lady that us happy with what you want!

Offline Doc Holliday

As far as I can see, the quited paper is missing from the alleged authors official list of publications
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There are other studies showing a possible link between Covid 19 and ED. It needs further investigation although as Covid is now so endemic and very few people have not had it, it probably makes comparison almost impossible? Given the well known vascular damage we know Covid can cause it is logical to assume this could affect the erectile tissue also. It is however likely to be a minor subsidiary cause relative to all the other possible causes.

There is nothing to link vaccines.



Offline Doc Holliday


I wanted to ask the Doc, if he's still reading, how significant age is as a factor here?

I think Phoenix and yourself have pretty much answered this. ED becomes more common as get older, but it is not getting older per se that causes it, but the increasing possibility your body will succumb to one or more of the real causes.

Most cases of ED under 40 are likely to have a psychological background, 50 and beyond is the age where physiological causes gradually become more common, but frequently it is multi factorial and can be complex. There is huge variability of course.

You should always get checked by your Doctor. As we all know it can be an indicator of an underlying issue which may require treatment.

As I have posted before ED meds have massively changed the outlook for ED.

Offline JontyR

But when a huge number of people are vaccinated over a period of a year or so then it will magnify the issue.


This is true. My Mum is 83 and she hasn't had an erection since being vaccinated.

Offline Doc Holliday

This is true. My Mum is 83 and she hasn't had an erection since being vaccinated.

 :lol:

Offline Thephoenix

This is true. My Mum is 83 and she hasn't had an erection since being vaccinated.

That's a shame!
Perhaps she'd like one of mine? ;)
« Last Edit: April 23, 2023, 09:07:22 pm by Thephoenix »

Offline JustaPunter

Yes, of 4 men and further studies are needed.   :unknown:

Based on 4 men that were having penile implants that never had ED before Covid.

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Based on 4 men that were having penile implants that never had ED before Covid.
Learn to read mate.

"The study focused on four men who were having penile prosthesis surgery for erectile dysfunction."

"Two had suffered with COVID-19, and two had not."

Why were the ones who had not had Covid having surgery for ED if they didn't suffer from it before they didn't have Covid.   :unknown:

As far as I can see, the quoted paper is missing from the alleged authors official list of publications
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Say a lot about the authenticity of it.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2023, 12:03:44 am by daviemac »

Online dubs

I decided to try Tadalafil and got a pack of 10mg tablets.  This was mainly to be able to get hard a second time during longer bookings as i tend to cum quickly the first time and then only get a semi for the second pop.

It gave me a bad headache for a day, but the day after I felt better.  After seeing the girl I was driving home on the motorway, had a coughing fit and momentarily went very dizzy which is pretty dangerous at 70mph.

So, my question is to the tadalafil users, if you take a 5mg tablet does it still work, but reduces the side effects?

Offline RandomGuy99

I decided to try Tadalafil and got a pack of 10mg tablets.  This was mainly to be able to get hard a second time during longer bookings as i tend to cum quickly the first time and then only get a semi for the second pop.

It gave me a bad headache for a day, but the day after I felt better.  After seeing the girl I was driving home on the motorway, had a coughing fit and momentarily went very dizzy which is pretty dangerous at 70mph.

So, my question is to the tadalafil users, if you take a 5mg tablet does it still work, but reduces the side effects?
You should be taking your medical advice from your GP.

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What you are describing is an uncommon side effect. Not good.
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You should be taking your medical advice from your GP.

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What you are describing is an uncommon side effect. Not good.

Headache is common, and i think the dizziness was a combination of coughing (Cough Syncope) and having had the drug (which reduces blood pressure) at the same time.

Offline RandomGuy99

Headache is common, and i think the dizziness was a combination of coughing (Cough Syncope) and having had the drug (which reduces blood pressure) at the same time.
Is a shag worth a potentially fatal car accident which might kill others too?

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It gave me a bad headache for a day, but the day after I felt better.  After seeing the girl I was driving home on the motorway, had a coughing fit and momentarily went very dizzy which is pretty dangerous at 70mph.

So, my question is to the tadalafil users, if you take a 5mg tablet does it still work, but reduces the side effects?

If you're self medicating it's always worth knocking one out at home. 

Have you checked your blood pressure?  At this point it's best to see your GP or revert back to something that doesn't have such side effects

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So I tried this...had zero effect on me   :unknown:

I have 3 more  left so I will try it again to see how consistently it either fails or works
 
So I will probably stick with my current daily meds and my special occasion Caverject Dual Chamber (for punts in excess of 1 - 2 hours)

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

Headache is common, and i think the dizziness was a combination of coughing (Cough Syncope) and having had the drug (which reduces blood pressure) at the same time.

Do bear in mind Viagra was orignally devloped as a treatment for high blood pressure;!..

So lower blood pressure can give thoese dizzy symptpms..

Offline Thephoenix

Do bear in mind Viagra was orignally devloped as a treatment for high blood pressure;!..

So lower blood pressure can give thoese dizzy symptpms..

I was advised by my cardiologist not to take my BP meds and sildenafil together for that reason.

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I was advised by my cardiologist not to take my BP meds and sildenafil together for that reason.
There is no issue with me taking any of my meds alongside sildenafil and that is why it's so important to seek medical advice and not ask on a punting forum. 

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There is no issue with me taking any of my meds alongside sildenafil and that is why it's so important to seek medical advice and not ask on a punting forum.

Sure there are questions where proper medical advice is appropriate, but there are also questions where crowdsourcing real world experience from a forum may yield better results. Such as would 5mg of tadalafil be as effective as 10mg but without the common side effects like a headache.

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Sure there are questions where proper medical advice is appropriate, but there are also questions where crowdsourcing real world experience from a forum may yield better results. Such as would 5mg of tadalafil be as effective as 10mg but without the common side effects like a headache.
My comment, which still stands, was in relation to one person who is taking heart meds being told not to take sildenafil while another on heart meds was told there was no problem taking it.

Regardless of anything else we are all individuals and react to things differently, one person could be perfectly fine and have no side effects when taking 10mg of  tadalafil while another could have serious side effects with 5mg.

Offline JustaPunter

Sure there are questions where proper medical advice is appropriate, but there are also questions where crowdsourcing real world experience from a forum may yield better results. Such as would 5mg of tadalafil be as effective as 10mg but without the common side effects like a headache.

The standard medical advice from a Clinician would be to start with the lowest dose and increase till you get the desired result.

As Daviemac touched on, one person might get great result taking 2.5mg Cialis Daily, somebody else might need to take the higher 5mg dosage.

As with everything some people build up a tolerance and the dose might have to be increased to get the required effect or at some point the medication ceases to work.

The most you should take from an internet forum is hints at what has worked for others.

And take proper advice from a Doctor