Girl, 13, arrested twice on suspicion of selling children for sex

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Girl, 13, arrested twice on suspicion of selling children for sex

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[bod666]

Eeugh!. and wtf? We live in a fucked up world. Anyone that wants to have sex with kids needs castrating.  Kids selling other kids? Jesus! 

[cueball]

Wtf, paedo's and kids selling kids, what a fuck up, shocking

[vt]

Shocking...a child herself...and probably also a victim...I bet there's an adult who should know better behind that story. 

I know kids grow up too quick these days and age can be difficult to determine exactly, but our society has put a limit of 18 yrs before a young woman is able to choose prostitution for herself. All punters need to abide by that and the law needs to come down heavily on any that don't.

[LanceVance]

Shocking...a child herself...and probably also a victim...I bet there's an adult who should know better behind that story. 

I know kids grow up too quick these days and age can be difficult to determine exactly, but our society has put a limit of 18 yrs before a young woman is able to choose prostitution for herself. All punters need to abide by that and the law needs to come down heavily on any that don't.

Probably true. While all victims of abuse do not become abusers, many abusers were victims of abuse themselves. This is why we have to come down on those who abuse children hard, we do not know what problems they are creating decades down the line.

[Sienna_Bronze]

I didn't know the law surrounding prostitution when I was 13, maybe she didn't either. I always thought since a 16 year old was legal that she/he could legally sell sex? Hope the kid is getting help though instead of being criminalised since that won't do anyone any good!

[StevenS]

I didn't know the law surrounding prostitution when I was 13, maybe she didn't either. I always thought since a 16 year old was legal that she/he could legally sell sex? Hope the kid is getting help though instead of being criminalised since that won't do anyone any good!

You're either a parody of liberalism or your off your head. I suppose you think the 2 kids who killed Jamie bulger should have gone to Disneyland rather than be locked up

[Bangers and Gash]

You're either a parody of liberalism or your off your head. I suppose you think the 2 kids who killed Jamie bulger should have gone to Disneyland rather than be locked up

Save your breath, you're talking to a person who thinks it's OK for a 12 year old child to have sex with an adult. 

[Sienna_Bronze]

You're either a parody of liberalism or your off your head. I suppose you think the 2 kids who killed Jamie bulger should have gone to Disneyland rather than be locked up

So criminalising a young, no doubt troubled young girl is going to make everything better. What would you do with her? Hang her?! She needs help and education by the sounds of it.

[StevenS]

So criminalising a young, no doubt troubled young girl is going to make everything better. What would you do with her? Hang her?! She needs help and education by the sounds of it.

Honestly I think it's naive to think she won't have known what she was doing and that it was wrong. Some people are just evil. Nature or nurture, I don't know but there are some people who no matter how much you educate, will always be evil.

Who do you want to make things better for? Her and others like her or better for future victims of individuals like her who aren't reformable, by removing them from society?

[XTC2]

Honestly I think it's naive to think she won't have known what she was doing and that it was wrong. Some people are just evil.

She's 13 ffs.

[StevenS]

She's 13 ffs.

Oh my mistake. She must have had no idea selling kids was bad. 

[Tony Montana]

I didn't know the law surrounding prostitution when I was 13, maybe she didn't either. I always thought since a 16 year old was legal that she/he could legally sell sex? Hope the kid is getting help though instead of being criminalised since that won't do anyone any good!

You have to be 18 to sell sex.

[fredpunter]

Oh my mistake. She must have had no idea selling kids was bad. 

The reason why it is illegal to have sex with kids that age is because they are considered too young to make a sensible decision about what they are doing .... would you disagree with that?

[StevenS]

The reason why it is illegal to have sex with kids that age is because they are considered too young to make a sensible decision about what they are doing .... would you disagree with that?

No I wouldn't disagree at all.

Therefore you will argue, I suspect, that they are too young to make a sensible decision about making someone a sex slave or about murder.

I will argue though that these things are poles apart. Not being old enough to make a decision on whether to have sex is NOTHING like being part of a premeditated sex ring that takes planning, grooming and ultimately delivery. The two little cunts that killed a two year old boy in Liverpool were not old enough legally to decide they could have sex, but they managed to carry out a planned abduction and murder.

Morals aside, the law is based on an assumed naivity but these actions are far from naive.

[Sienna_Bronze]

The law regarding the age of criminal responsibility and the age of consent is bloody ridiculous! We have the lowest age of criminal responsibility in Europe. No the killers of James Bulger shouldn't have been patted on the back but I think we forget how much influence we have over kids lives as adults. Those kids had suffered horrific abuse. Life isn't black and white.

[fredpunter]

No I wouldn't disagree at all.

Therefore you will argue, I suspect, that they are too young to make a sensible decision about making someone a sex slave or about murder.

I will argue though that these things are poles apart. Not being old enough to make a decision on whether to have sex is NOTHING like being part of a premeditated sex ring that takes planning, grooming and ultimately delivery. The two little cunts that killed a two year old boy in Liverpool were not old enough legally to decide they could have sex, but they managed to carry out a planned abduction and murder.

Morals aside, the law is based on an assumed naivity but these actions are far from naive.

I started to write a reasoned response to this but a) my phone wouldn't co-operate and b) its hard to reason sensibly with someone who is being a bit silly. I re-read the article as I thought I must have missed the bit about sex slaves and organised rings of 13 year olds grooming kids but I still couldn't find it. And wtf this has to do with bulger ......

Anyway, one if the few things that makes this country genuinely better than many is we are all free to hold and express our own opinions, so we will have to agree to differ.

[fredpunter]

The law regarding the age of criminal responsibility and the age of consent is bloody ridiculous! We have the lowest age of criminal responsibility in Europe. No the killers of James Bulger shouldn't have been patted on the back but I think we forget how much influence we have over kids lives as adults. Those kids had suffered horrific abuse. Life isn't black and white.

So you think the age of criminal responsibility is too low but the age of consent is too high? Just want to be sure I understand you.

[Sienna_Bronze]

Yeah you got it in one. They should both be around the 13/14 mark imo. Criminalising kids isn't right and doesn't help their futures.

[StevenS]

Yeah you got it in one. They should both be around the 13/14 mark imo. Criminalising kids isn't right and doesn't help their futures.

So you want to turn the world into a peado's playground where kids get away with murder.

[Sienna_Bronze]

So you want to turn the world into a peado's playground where kids get away with murder.

Like I said we have the highest age of criminal responsibility in Europe. In other countries kids aren't "getting away with murder" at all!

[StevenS]

You've lost me. We have the highest age of criminal accountability so you want it lowered? So younger people would be prosecuted?

[StevenS]

I started to write a reasoned response to this but a) my phone wouldn't co-operate and b) its hard to reason sensibly with someone who is being a bit silly. I re-read the article as I thought I must have missed the bit about sex slaves and organised rings of 13 year olds grooming kids but I still couldn't find it. And wtf this has to do with bulger ......

Anyway, one if the few things that makes this country genuinely better than many is we are all free to hold and express our own opinions, so we will have to agree to differ.

Fair play and I agree to differ civilly too. My comments were based on the following excerpt:

"A 13-year-old girl was arrested twice on suspicion of selling other children for sex, according to shocking data revealed by police.

The girl was arrested on suspicion of causing or inciting a child aged between 13 and 17 into prostitution or pornography in 2011 - and again for doing so ‘for gain’ later the same year."

Selling = slavery
Inciting = grooming

As for bulger - it more in reference to actions of children that should be criminalised and where education is pointless

[Sienna_Bronze]

You've lost me. We have the highest age of criminal accountability so you want it lowered? So younger people would be prosecuted?

No the age of consent should be lowered.

[StevenS]

No the age of consent should be lowered.

And the age of criminal accountability raised???

[Aspen]

The reason why it is illegal to have sex with kids that age is because they are considered too young to make a sensible decision about what they are doing .... would you disagree with that?

A lot depends on which country you live in, and the person in question of course. There are places where 13 is considered quite okay.

I'm not saying that I agree with that, and I don't actually, but there is a lot of PC outrage expressed on here that strikes me as a touch shallow. The irony is that it's on a forum that many people would have closed down and the members locked up for being so perverted as to buy and sell sex.

Strange also that the one contributor who has had personal experience of this kind of situation gets shouted down and ridiculed. I'm interested to hear what she has to say, even if I don't agree with it.

[fredpunter]

You've lost me. We have the highest age of criminal accountability so you want it lowered? So younger people would be prosecuted?

I'm pretty sure that was a typo by sienna. It seems the bar is set at 10 years old in this country, which does seem very low, particularly when compared to many other countries. It not as though there arent ways to deal with people who do undesirable things if they are below the age of responsibility, you just can't charge them with a criminal offence. That doesn't mean they can do whatever they like and go back home in time for tea.

Regarding the age of consent, part if me thinks its about right currently, part of me thinks it shoukd be raised to about 25 ..... but that would prevent me from having seen some very nice prossies.

[Sienna_Bronze]

And the age of criminal accountability raised???

Yeah, so they are at around the same level, 13/14 seem appropriate. In his case there is obviously more going on than just what has been printed. Maybe she was being "groomed" herself I don't know but it's sad either way.

[GeeWiz]

Yeah, so they are at around the same level, 13/14 seem appropriate. In his case there is obviously more going on than just what has been printed. Maybe she was being "groomed" herself I don't know but it's sad either way.

You'd know all about that - being groomed I mean - but why you persist with your tedious argument about a lower age of consent, to seemingly legitimize your history is beyond me.

[jcdmj12]

Yeah, so they are at around the same level, 13/14 seem appropriate. In his case there is obviously more going on than just what has been printed. Maybe she was being "groomed" herself I don't know but it's sad either way.

So you'd be ok with Jamie Bulger's killers (both 10 at the time) walking free then?

[Drillakilla]

I'm nearly 3 decades away from the age of that girl, but I have to say when I was that age at school, there were several sexually active girls and boys. Mostly the girls had older partners going into the mid to late teens. I think this sort of thing has always been around but we tend to forget it.

[Sienna_Bronze]

So you'd be ok with Jamie Bulger's killers (both 10 at the time) walking free then?

No I wouldn't they were clearly dangerous and needed to be locked up for the safety of others.

[Tafffie]

Some people are just evil, paying to screw kids or organising the sale. No other solution. Prison. For a looong time

[thefoxman]

The 13 year old girl was arrested on suspicion of causing or inciting a child aged between 13 and 17 into prostitution or pornography

A little misleading -  this could involve the higher end of that range
- are 16-17 year olds "children" ?

You can have sex at 16, but only get paid for it at 18

Similarly you can work full time. pay tax and join the army and die for your country at 16... but not vote until 18.

[mf_1101]

I feel like society and law does not understand enough about the psychology to why adults are attracted to children. Is it love? Is it a mental disorder? Is it because it is taboo? I don't need to tell a forum full of blokes about the excitement pursuing something that is taboo and why it attracts people. In most cases though, the victim is still being exploited and used for sexual gratification, I find it hard to believe there can be mutual consent with a minor who hasn't been manipulated in some way. On the other hand, I also find it hard to believe there aren't cases of 13 year old girls who are sexually mature who have consensual sex and can't be considered a victim, it's a really fine line.

[StevenS]

 

[Sienna_Bronze]

I feel like society and law does not understand enough about the psychology to why adults are attracted to children. Is it love? Is it a mental disorder? Is it because it is taboo? I don't need to tell a forum full of blokes about the excitement pursuing something that is taboo and why it attracts people. In most cases though, the victim is still being exploited and used for sexual gratification, I find it hard to believe there can be mutual consent with a minor who hasn't been manipulated in some way. On the other hand, I also find it hard to believe there aren't cases of 13 year old girls who are sexually mature who have consensual sex and can't be considered a victim, it's a really fine line.

Yes you're right. It's just not what people want to hear apparently. Didn't Foucault talk about this back in the 70's. 

[StevenS]

Yes you're right. It's just not what people want to hear apparently. Didn't Foucault talk about this back in the 70's.

Yes. Lots went on about this in the 70's. Operation Yewtree is dealing with it now.