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[vindici]

I have no issue with crypto versions of established currencies, I have a huge problem with using a speculative instrument as a means of established-value payment resolution.
I don't want to find out that the "£1" I paid for Polos yesterday/last week/last year is now worth "£5" to whomever I passed it to.

That's why I used the term Digital Currencies rather than pointed specifically towards BTC. We've all read about the guy that bought a Pizza with BTC, and now that pizza has cost him over $500 000 000 😑

[Jimmyredcab]

The cost is parity with ISG which also pretty much only accepts BTC, although cash in an envelope is also oddly ok. As much as you don't want to get involved with BTC, at some point you'll need to engage with digital currencies. It's the future, whether you like it or not.

Not in my lifetime.     

Just out of interest, what percentage of the population would you say have access to a digital currency. 

[cotton]

Not in my lifetime.     

Just out of interest, what percentage of the population would you say have access to a digital currency. 

As far as i understand it digital currency , mainly speaking about btc , came into existence to facilitate annonymous payment on the darkweb for illegal transactions , mainly drug related.
So on that basis the number of people who would have originally got involved in BTC and the other digital currencies would have been relatively small , more recently they have become of interest to speculators.

[smiths]

The site is now retaking new members with a twist. They will have to pay £20 to join, and to make it a bit more of a challenge; they will have to pay with BTC.
This should cut back on people making numerous account and getting banned and then returning, causing a lot of work for the hard-working mods.
Also, it should make the site completely self-sufficient.
Just to be 100% clear. No one already a member will be asked ever to pay a fee 

Thanks for the confirmation that existing members will not be asked to pay a fee. I was happy to donate a while back and would do that again if it was needed. But this idea is a good one in my view.

As I see it some of us existing members have contributed to building a huge review archive up, in my case over many years and new members get access to it if they agree to pay the fee. Up to them if they do or don't. And it has the good effect of hopefully limiting the cunts from joining or rejoining after being banned, and will hopefully make UKP self-sufficient. A win/win.

[vindici]

Not in my lifetime.     

Just out of interest, what percentage of the population would you say have access to a digital currency. 

Depends how long you live for? 😎

I have no idea what percentage of the population has access to a digital currency, we'd need to define access and also digital currency. If access means buying bitcoin with a Mastercard, then that would be everyone, if it means, sitting on Crypto, then very few. If digital currency mean Cryptocurrency, then very few, if it includes things like topping up you PAYG phone with credit, XBox gaming credit, FIFA Gold points, Apple Store Credit, etc, then it would be a lot of people.

In general it's a great thing that UKP is accepting BTC, since no one can stop the owners from getting paid by the willing membership.

[tynetunnel]

Personally I’d never have joined the site if I could only pay by BTC. Some may say that would have been a positive! 

[90125]

I'm sure that the mods an admin are all over it, but just wondered whether in any registration process there is a strong recommendation to read the site rules first, a direct quote of rule one and a link to guide on writing reviews. 

Folks are generally supportive of noobs to the site, but you wonder whether the attitudes of some of the new year intake would be duplicated if new registrants felt entitled by having paid for the privileged of accessing the site. 

Thanks to those in charge though for taking all these new steps to safeguard the future of this resource.

Anyone registering a new account requires acceptance of the rules. When we update the SMF software to the latest version we should also be able to make everyone accept the rules on their next logon.

[Xtro]

Personally I’d never have joined the site if I could only pay by BTC.

Same here.
There should be a number of options to pay for membership......I would use the voucher method as used previously for donations.

Some may say that would have been a positive! 

Your contributions are appreciated; especially your avatar!      

[Doc Holliday]

Anyone registering a new account requires acceptance of the rules. When we update the SMF software to the latest version we should also be able to make everyone accept the rules on their next logon.

Good to hear you are now confident of being able to do that upgrade without consequence?

Will watch with interest the new membership protocol 

[dubs]

Personally I’d never have joined the site if I could only pay by BTC. Some may say that would have been a positive! 

When the site started in 2010, BTC were about £0.25 so you would need 80 for a £20 membership fee.  That would be worth £3.8m now. 

If only OldAdmin had though of it. 

[mh]

I have no issue with crypto versions of established currencies, I have a huge problem with using a speculative instrument as a means of established-value payment resolution.
I don't want to find out that the "£1" I paid for Polos yesterday/last week/last year is now worth "£5" to whomever I passed it to.

But if you only paid £1 for it, then used it to buy something, why does it matter what it is worth some time after you've spent it? 

Presumably you'd be happy if it were later found to be worth 10p?

[Blackpool Rock]

But if you only paid £1 for it, then used it to buy something, why does it matter what it is worth some time after you've spent it? 

Presumably you'd be happy if it were later found to be worth 10p?

Exactly if something cost me £1 then it cost me £1 and not £25K 10 years later if the value of that asset happened to go up, the only way it cost me more than £1 is if it was an asset I was planning on keeping but had to use for some reason.

I had a performance car years ago which I traded in for £7K however it's worth twice that now whereas what i bought is now worth £16K less than I paid but it's still £16K not £23K

[Head1]

As far as i understand it digital currency , mainly speaking about btc , came into existence to facilitate annonymous payment on the darkweb for illegal transactions , mainly drug related.
So on that basis the number of people who would have originally got involved in BTC and the other digital currencies would have been relatively small , more recently they have become of interest to speculators.

This movie gives a good insight into things dark and anonymous
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[cotton]

This movie gives a good insight into things dark and anonymous
External Link/Members Only

Yeh i still gotta watch that 
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I know alot of members resent non contributors benefiting from their reviews and thats an understandable pov and i may be in a minority but i feel that the site being a freely viewable public resource contributes in great part to its greatness , it is the go to UK site for all matters uk hooker related , anyone could leave a review and anyone could view it and thats what it was based on and why everyone accessed it and why hookers feared it , it exposed bad hookers to everyone and pressured hookers to up their game.  My concern if if becomes subscription and private is that it may loose the new members it needs to keep it buzzing and on point and it may also lose its ubiquitous position as the go to UK review site nationally, the one everyone goes to , and just as an aside that might have a knock on effect on advertising if that is a consideration.
I can appreciate the problem with trolls and agitators joining up and a token sign-up fee to deter them might be understandable , i think id have made it £5 .
Obviously its admins site to do as admin wants and i hope he dosnt mind opinions being given etc etc.
Lets be honest , people are saying they woudnt subscribe if they had to pay in bitcoin but how many would have subscribed back in the day if it had cost £20. My concern is that the only person willing to pay £20 is gonna be sergai in order to get his girls promoted.
Personally id prefer open access and funding via minimal advertising 

[tynetunnel]

Your contributions are appreciated; especially your avatar!   

You sir, are very generous. She is nice, isn’t she? 

Lets be honest , people are saying they woudnt subscribe if they had to pay in bitcoin but how many would have subscribed back in the day if it had cost £20

I doubt that I’d have signed up and paid £20 to do so (with or without Bitcoin being the only means of payment) without some kind of trial or without already having experienced the site so I’d know it was a sum worth paying. As always, it’s not our site but I hope that our honest opinions are appreciated

[winkywanky]

Some interesting developments I see...re: the £20 joining fee for new members, of course bearing in mind what the site is for and the large amounts paid in the pursuit of that activity, that's a small amount when the potential savings made by avoiding duff punts are considered.

And there have been a surprising amount of trolls who joined in the last intake, some of them previously banned returnees as we know. I think it's fair to say that £20 would be a deterrent to some degree, certainly it would make someone think twice if they were bored in Lockdown and simply thought it might be 'fun' to agitate a few punters for the sake of it (some of them have been that blatant  ). And for those who still insist on being twats and getting banned anyway, it gives members an additional source of amusement to think they wasted £20 as well as getting banned  .

I see also now, that I have been sociologically/sexually profiled with the advent of a link button to 'London TS' in the top RH corner of the page (similarly 'Sugar Babies') . Well it doesn't bother me, I may even use it  . Clearly there is a little money being generated now, so long as it doesn't start to get too intrusive and doesn't impact on the character of the site then I think that's fine. It seems to me that quite frequently now the site doesn't refresh briefly because some little tweaks are going on in the background, and I know there was talk of one of the members doing a bit of paid work in this regard? Who knows, I only see the front end, but I know maintenance was becoming an issue, and perhaps we may even have some new features arriving soon as a result?

[Xtro]

...... I only see the front end, ........

Your last TS review says otherwise.         

[vindici]

I would be less irritated with leeching wankers if they had paid £20 to be a part of UKP.

Financial contribution is still contribution!

[winkywanky]

Your last TS review says otherwise.         

 

[Grumpy Pumpy]

I would be less irritated with leeching wankers if they had paid £20 to be a part of UKP.

Financial contribution is still contribution!

 

[Blackpool Rock]

I would be less irritated with leeching wankers if they had paid £20 to be a part of UKP.

Financial contribution is still contribution!

Yeah but i've used a line a few times when some leech has been moaning about XYZ that they should ask for their subscription fee to be refunded, this fucks up my line 

[myothernameis]

The site is now retaking new members with a twist. They will have to pay £20 to join, and to make it a bit more of a challenge; they will have to pay with BTC.
This should cut back on people making numerous account and getting banned and then returning, causing a lot of work for the hard-working mods.
Also, it should make the site completely self-sufficient.
Just to be 100% clear. No one already a member will be asked ever to pay a fee 

Should be fun times ahead, new member decided to rejoin, but only to find there a £20, queue decides to use a sleeper account

As for new members and the fee, I will take it they will be limited to on account, and not allowed to make multiple accounts

[CoolTiger]

Should be fun times ahead, new member decided to rejoin, but only to find there a £20, queue decides to use a sleeper account

As for new members and the fee, I will take it they will be limited to on account, and not allowed to make multiple accounts

Correct, one account per member rule still applies. If a returning banned member makes 5 new accounts in an attempt to get past this, they will still be banned, but £100 out of pocket 

[Silva21]

Interesting idea. Be nice to have some of the features fixed.
Be nice to get back punting when covid goes as well!

[Liverpool]

All good to see new members paying and for everyone to sign up to the rules, no more ignorance as a defence for not abiding by them.

However, what will happen if the intake of paying members is low?

[anotherwoody69]

I have no issue with crypto versions of established currencies, I have a huge problem with using a speculative instrument as a means of established-value payment resolution.
I don't want to find out that the "£1" I paid for Polos yesterday/last week/last year is now worth "£5" to whomever I passed it to.

Exactly my point.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=298931.msg3131920#msg3131920

[gbyld87]

I wouldn't be against existing members being asked to pay a fee.  Seems only fair if new members are asked to.

I realise this might not be a popular comment! 

[Kev40ish]

I wouldn't be against existing members being asked to pay a fee.  Seems only fair if new members are asked to.

I realise this might not be a popular comment! 

I am sure Head1 will look forward to your contribution   

[Jimmyredcab]

Anyone registering a new account requires acceptance of the rules.

With respect, can I make a suggestion.

Put the link to the rules at the top of the message board, it’s now at the bottom and easily missed.   

[Doc Holliday]

With respect, can I make a suggestion.

Put the link to the rules at the top of the message board, it’s now at the bottom and easily missed.   

I think it is unlikely the the software will allow that? .... but it doesn't matter for new members as when they register and before they enter any details they see this and have to accept it.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=register (this link only works if you are not logged in)



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[Xtro]

You sir, are very generous. She is nice, isn’t she? 

I think I had the job of putting her mask on IIRC. 

I certainly got up close and personal with her at pixel level!   

[tynetunnel]

I think I had the job of putting her mask on IIRC. 

I certainly got up close and personal with her at pixel level!   

Indeed you did very kindly give her a Covid-19 mask makeover, which I think suits her well - I would! 

[mh]

Indeed you did very kindly give her a Covid-19 mask makeover, which I think suits her well - I would! 

Who is she, aka where can I see a larger picture...   

[gbyld87]

Who is she, aka where can I see a larger picture...   

External Link/Members Only

[Xtro]

Who is she, aka where can I see a larger picture...   

If you look closely at tynetunnel's avatar, I manipulated her knickers (who wouldn't?), to create the mask!      

[winkywanky]

If you look closely at tynetunnel's avatar, I manipulated her knickers (who wouldn't?), to create the mask!      

...so she's sniffing her own knickers? Minty! 

[Jimmyredcab]

I think it is unlikely the the software will allow that? .... but it doesn't matter for new members as when they register and before they enter any details they see this and have to accept it.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?action=register (this link only works if you are not logged in)



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Do you ever actually read the terms and conditions when joining something, Microsoft is like War and Peace. ???

[Doc Holliday]

Do you ever actually read the terms and conditions when joining something, Microsoft is like War and Peace. ???

Yes in full every time ..... not 

No defence in court though if I don't.

[hendrix]

That's a bargain frankly. Hope it puts off the school holiday crowd at least 

[winkywanky]

...and the multiple accounts.

[DocJohnson]

Perhaps there is a doctor specialising in behavioural psychology and “nudge” economics amongst the members who could set out the likely outcomes of moving to a paywall model using BTC for new joiners...

The stats on members, reviews, “customer satisfaction”, gross income and amount of banishings will be fascinating to see in weeks, months and years to come. I doubt all that will be publicly disclosed (and nor should it be perhaps) but long term members will probably have a good feel for the impact in a year or two.

Genuinely interesting experiment if nothing else.  Maybe one of the universities could do a study on it or something and “donate” to Head1 in return for providing helpful analysis on human psyche