Does anyone else think that punting has gone downhill of late?

[Matrix]

While I'd argue the state of the economy is far more important than misinformed people voting to get rid of something they don't understand, with no idea of the utterly unpredictable consequences of doing so. This is generally why civilised countries elect accountable, informed representatives to unravel such complex issues, and why "direct democracies" don't work and barely exist. Nobody's throwing any tantrums, nor am I predicting Brexit to be nailed-on disaster. But it probably will be to our extreme economic detriment, mainly because continued investment in the economy requires the assurance, stability and efficiency that the EU provides and Brexit is destroying.

Not saying this is necessarily why you did, but he vast majority of idiots who voted for Trump and Brexit are undoubtedly looking for the same, simple "blame the foreigner" answers that just don't exist, to complex domestic problems, that none of their own previous governments bothered to address. The issues you raise of housing shortages and the NHS are perfect examples of this. It's not a relatively small number of low-earning, home-renting EU migrants that are pricing British families out of buying homes. It's a succession of British governments who've failed to build affordable new ones, coupled with an out-of-control, unregulated, predatory buy-to-let market, fuelled by reckless bank-lending. Nor is it young, healthy, tax-paying migrants putting a burden on the NHS, many of whom work in it. It's mainly the size of an ageing population that wasn't envisioned, who now need to have their meals hand-fed and arses wiped, most of whom haven't contributed to the economy for the best part of a generation. That and the fact a cradle-to-grave, 100% tax funded, one-stop shop, for all your medical needs is simply utterly unrealistic in this day and age. And if you generally feel the place is simply too full, families that can't afford them should stop being encouraged to have kids that the state ends up paying to keep, long before we shut the doors to eager workers, keen to pay tax.

As for your comments of integration, I used to regularly go drinking and socialising after work with a variety of Eastern European colleagues and had a great time. I also have several Indian friends. Can't say I've ever even been on regular speaking terms with even a third or fourth generation Pakistani, though. And that's despite living on the southside of Glasgow where in many such areas a you're a visible minority. White Europeans will always assimilate far more easily into any British population than most Pakistanis, whose backward interpretation of Islam and culture, partly thanks thanks to Saudi-funded mosques, still actively deters it.
 
You also speak of democracy, while many Brexit supporters make the EU out to be some evil, interfering foreign dictatorship. At least the European Parliament has a genuinely representative PR voting system. Here it's commonplace for a government with barely just one third of the vote to have a majority, and thus, absolute power. Then there's the fact we can't even elect our upper house, or head of state (biggest dole claimant of the lot). Additionally, 10 times more people (and that's just registered voters) didn't vote in the referendum, than the size of the majority which Brexit won by. Not exactly a convincing mandate for such huge legal and economic upheaval with such an unpredictable, insecure and possibly volatile outcome.

Same old shite. Anyone who disagrees is stupid or poorly informed. These elected representatives made a decision to give us the vote, remember?

The same elected representatives that have made a pig's ear of running this country for some time.

[Matrix]

you simplistic, tribalist bastard. Do human progress a favour, stop waving your union jack, stuff it up your arse and set the tail end alight. Cunt.

Reads like a tantrum to me.

One of the main differences between MPs and MEPs is that MPs can actually put forward legislation unlike in Europe where it all comes from unelected , unaccountable bureaucrat's. MEPs can only vote to pass or reject said legislation.

[seeker]

It was Cameron (daft cunt )and his gang thinking there was no way the leave side could win
And to put to bed the E.U question once and for all .
Underestimating the little Englander sentiment if the mass uninformed that may well fuck us all over.
Remember the referendum is not legally binding ,hopefully the government will wake up and see the
Abyss we are standing at and hold another referendum  (if thats whst it takes ) now that more people marginally  understand the complexities we face and realise the utter lies we were told by the leave side .
Honestly Boris and farage a pair of the worst kind of car salesman ... they would sell thier granny a dodgy motor.

[StikiWiki]

We all had a vote, and we all had the power to read about why we should stay or why we should leave.
All the fuckers that want a re-vote until they get what they want just need to SHUT THE FUCK UP and get on with it, that is what a fuckin democracy is all about.
Everyone had the chance to vote and understand what they should vote for, most probably just listened to the rhetoric on the news and the fuckin red tops.
That is the problem with the nation, look at the fuckin wasters on Benefits Street, is that what our nation is all about. No one owes anyone anything.
I voted out and I will gladly vote out again. Europeans wont stop coming here and we wont stop letting them in. THAT WAS NOT THE POINT.
Do some research and realise the out of the 28 countries in the EU 25 take out more than they put in, it is fucked, that’s why they don’t want us to leave, because we are one of the 3 who contribute more.
Fuck, that wound me up
Rant over !!!!!!

[auldie63]

WHAT THE FUCK HAS ALL THIS PURE PISH TO DO WITH PUNTING???

If you lot want to re-argue brexit, indy ref and all the rest of it, kindly fuck off to one of the many forums where you will be encouraged to do this and leave the rest of us in peace.

[hardtoplease]

WHAT THE FUCK HAS ALL THIS PURE PISH TO DO WITH PUNTING???

If you lot want to re-argue brexit, indy ref and all the rest of it, kindly fuck off to one of the many forums where you will be encouraged to do this and leave the rest of us in peace.

  auldie63,  I can’t believe some of what I’ve just read, a vicious diatribe that would get someone in “the real world” either arrested or punched in the face, possibly both! 

I’ve studied economics for over 30 years now and can say without fear of contradiction, it has sweet fuck all to do with sticking my throbbing cock into a wet sticky hole 

[Matrix]

WHAT THE FUCK HAS ALL THIS PURE PISH TO DO WITH PUNTING???

If you lot want to re-argue brexit, indy ref and all the rest of it, kindly fuck off to one of the many forums where you will be encouraged to do this and leave the rest of us in peace.

Aye it could be continued in Off-topic. To sound childish, I never started it.

[Matrix]

[quote author=Matrix link=topic=189231.msg1975343#msg1975343 
These elected representatives made a decision to give us the vote, remember?


It was Cameron (daft cunt )and his gang thinking there was no way the leave side could win
And to put to bed the E.U question once and for all .
Underestimating the little Englander sentiment if the mass uninformed that may well fuck us all over.
Remember the referendum is not legally binding ,hopefully the government will wake up and see the
Abyss we are standing at and hold another referendum  (if thats whst it takes ) now that more people marginally  understand the complexities we face and realise the utter lies we were told by the leave side .
Honestly Boris and farage a pair of the worst kind of car salesman ... they would sell thier granny a dodgy motor.

You should stick to collecting IRN-BRU bottles and perhaps learn how to post and quote in an intelligible fashion while you're at it. We wouldn't want somebody accusing you of being stupid.

[allypally]

So the Russians........ What Yeez think??
Well since this has turned into a political platform

(sarcastic post)

[seeker]

You should stick to collecting IRN-BRU bottles and perhaps learn how to post and quote in an intelligible fashion while you're at it. We wouldn't want somebody accusing you of being stupid.

Fuck off .   

[Matrix]

Fuck off twat   

Make me.

Excellent comeback by the way. It's the first post from you in a long time I understand.

[seeker]

 

[Jock D]

What a worthwhile thread...