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[Cunning Punt]

So when they say that they want it platonic for a few dates until they build a connection, what do they mean exactly? I have had different experiences with this. In the past, I had a couple of girls that said this and we went for one platonic date and we ended up in bed on the 2nd date. Where others have dragged it on for several meets where I just gave up. So with the first 2, either I was Tom Cruise with an incredible charm, or when they said "build a connection" what they really meant was to make sure that I wasn't a weirdo.

What have your experiences been on this?

Honestly there’s no hard and fast rules with women. Ever. About anything.

True they aren't but if, as the OP says, a girl is saying she wants it "platonic for a few dates" then that does, much more often than not, mean they aren't going to shag you on the 2nd date and are looking for paid platonic dates. And there is a high likelihood that unless you are youngish and good looking, they will lead you on and you won't get a shag after a few paid dates - or you will if you pay a larger price for an intimate meet.

It's not a particular problem if you're upfront and use your charm, of course. Make clear that while of course you pay for all the cost of the date including rail fares, you don't provide an allowance for social dates to get to know each other. Some of us even put this clearly on our profiles.

It helps if you travel to them; they're more likely to agree to and turn up to a M&G with no allowance, and they can't, with all seriousness, ask for a largish sum because of travel costs.

[updownandaround]

What's with the girls being really slow to reply to messages and even on what's app / telegram etc? Sometimes it's days.

I'm presuming either they've got very busy social lives / work / uni etc, or they're chatting with lots of SDs and focus on those who look most promising? If I had to guess, it would be the latter.

It means you're not the focus of their attention, I wouldn't stress about it. If you're using Whatsapp and they show as "online" a lot but not reading your message(s) then she's distracted with someone else. Move on to the next but follow up at a later stage. In my experience of SA, when a girl is interested then the convo flows and is quick unless it's early in the morning or late in the evening, in which case she's just horny. 😀

I will always go for a voice followed by video call early, that sorts the time wasters from the more serious girls. It shows your confidence and more importantly hers which is a good litmus test as to whether she has the confidence or inclination to meet up.

The other thing to factor in (I experience this myself and you alluded to it with "focus") is that when you have a lot of Whatsapp convos going then your attention tends to stick with the more interesting and engaging convos. As soon as you're off the first page of Whatsapp convos then you're history. I often find girls following up with me after a week to ask what happened. In reality, they fell off onto the second page. It's like with Google, you always want to be on page 1 in the first few results. 😀

[Azuredised]

This one needs to go for a photoshop course 😀…Face pasted on other’s pictures

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[bigden40]

Nice, but public toilet and shit are off putting personally.  I would have opted for back of my car 

Lol.  It wasn’t a “public” toilet, it was a nice clean one in a quiet wine bar.  And I don’t drive much in Central London and definitely not when I’m drinking. 

[updownandaround]

This one needs to go for a photoshop course 😀…Face pasted on other’s pictures

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Wow, one of those photos she looks like a puppet from Joe 90 (show my age there!) and her face is just a little too big for her body!

[updownandaround]

Lol.  It wasn’t a “public” toilet, it was a nice clean one in a quiet wine bar.  And I don’t drive much in Central London and definitely not when I’m drinking.

Hopefully you were a Gentleman and put down some paper towels for her to kneel on 😀

[bigden40]

Hopefully you were a Gentleman and put down some paper towels for her to kneel on 😀

I fucked her standing from behind then I sat on the seat and she straddled me.

[Cunning Punt]

when you have a lot of Whatsapp convos going then your attention tends to stick with the more interesting and engaging convos. As soon as you're off the first page of Whatsapp convos then you're history.

I think there is a lot in this. Some girls and guys just lose track. If you're going to be successful as a SB or SD, then you really need to keep up with several convos at once on WA, ie respond in a timely manner if you're vaguely interested in them, remember their names and what they've told you/haven't told you (or at least scroll back to see), not getting confused with other people.
If you can only handle one or two convos at once, then you run the risk of being left empty handed when those leads go nowhere.

Lots of girls defend their slow replies by saying "sorry I've been busy" which is lame. If someone is that busy to even exchange the odd text then they aren't going to find time for a meet, and shouldn't be conversing in the first place or be on SA at all.

But, of course, it's bollocks. It takes literally 1 or 2 seconds to write a message and even the busiest people find time to meet - and don't say they're busy. The vast majority of these girls really aren't that busy; they just can't be bothered. As has been said, you can see that most of them often online, busy chatting to other people, including guys off SA, rather than you.

[Hobbit]

Exactly like yours Mr 

Most younger SB are happy with intimacy meet after 1st social date.  Think it's just they wanted to make sure we are normal and OK looking and not a weirdo.

A very small minority may be willing to go back to yours I suppose, and only decided after seeing you, as you could be her type.

Some are OK with intimacy meet after 2 or 3 social dates as they got to know you better, the nerves settled and need the allowance.

And there are some who are in this game and lead you on.  Imagine they can easily make a £50 in a 90 minutes social date, free drinks and free food.

Too many factors here, we just have to trust our instinct and gut feeling.

Thanks . I will see how it goes but at the moment I have so many flaking on me. I guess they have too many options available to them.

[PLeisure]

PSA:
'Rational Female' - 24yr, Caucasian, Slim, 169cm.
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Entertainingly written profile, joined today.
Quoted £350 to meet for a meal "and frolics". Enquired about her repetitive phrase, "cushion monarch"; she explains that it's her euphemism for a 'pillow princess'. So not keen on reciprocating orally.
Sounded promising, looks good but I'm out.

[Brimich]

Wow….I need my wife to go and visit her mothers for a couple of nights. “Rational Female” looks perfect.

[Punter910]

Any intel on below

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[wilkinc]

Any intel on below

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I chatted with her for a while, she wanted 500ppm so I passed

[Punter910]

yeah looks like lot of SB's are getting 500 ppm easily as many have asked why she should lower it down when they are easily getting it 

[Cunning Punt]

yeah looks like lot of SB's are getting 500 ppm easily as many have asked why she should lower it down when they are easily getting it 

Just because a SB says she is easily getting it, doesn't mean that she is easily getting it or indeed perhaps getting it at all. Model types maybe but ordinary looking girls are simply trying it on.
No doubt there are guys paying silly money but even most of them will be fairly choosy; the trouble is they offer these sums without following through, by which time the damage is done and SBs then think that sum is the norm. They don't get that there is a difference between what is offered and what is actually received.

Most will compromise because they want the cash, though there do seem be a large number of girls on the site now who won't budge, even though they're not getting arrangements; they have a figure in their head about what they are 'worth' and stick to it, end up getting nowhere and then quit.

[pantywetter]

Had a really annoying one recently with a girl Whatsapping for hours.  Seems super genuine, super horny, have a great connection then she blocks me 10 mins before coffee meet.
Can’t share her link as I came off SA for a while, but she had “Jewel” in her name
Total time waster

[jamiekinkxxx]

Any more intel on this one. I have meet for meet and greet and she seems lovely, but unsure whether to take the plunge. Has anyone experienced this tall Latvian/American:

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Been a member since Nov last year so hoping some others may have taken a dip?

[anonman2]

Any more intel on this one. I have meet for meet and greet and she seems lovely, but unsure whether to take the plunge. Has anyone experienced this tall Latvian/American:

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Been a member since Nov last year so hoping some others may have taken a dip?

Any indication of PPM?

[londonroad]

Just because a SB says she is easily getting it, doesn't mean that she is easily getting it or indeed perhaps getting it at all. Model types maybe but ordinary looking girls are simply trying it on.
No doubt there are guys paying silly money but even most of them will be fairly choosy; the trouble is they offer these sums without following through, by which time the damage is done and SBs then think that sum is the norm. They don't get that there is a difference between what is offered and what is actually received.

Most will compromise because they want the cash, though there do seem be a large number of girls on the site now who won't budge, even though they're not getting arrangements; they have a figure in their head about what they are 'worth' and stick to it, end up getting nowhere and then quit.

I agree with this. I have been exchanging WA messages over the last couple of weeks with three girls in London, who appear to be new SBs. They are all refusing to compromise on the ppm allowance. All three claim to have been offered £500 or more, but eventually admitted that they have not yet had an actual meet. I keep hoping that the cost of living crisis will see SBs being prepared to accept lower ppms - rather than nothing - but I have yet to see this happening.

[dmitrybulgakov]

Had a really annoying one recently with a girl Whatsapping for hours.  Seems super genuine, super horny, have a great connection then she blocks me 10 mins before coffee meet.
Can’t share her link as I came off SA for a while, but she had “Jewel” in her name
Total time waster

There are tons of them like there. Tons! I am wee bit experienced at SA now, thanks to the UKP posts. But this happens to me also (and to veterans).
They will send you nudes
They will send you their wanking videos and audios.
They will make you book a hotel and all..

But when the reality sinks, they will block you just like that!

Another type is one who wants validation. They get their kicks or high by messing up with people.

Part of the package in SA. You must learn to accept and move on....

[pantywetter]

There are tons of them like there. Tons! I am wee bit experienced at SA now, thanks to the UKP posts. But this happens to me also (and to veterans).
They will send you nudes
They will send you their wanking videos and audios.
They will make you book a hotel and all..

But when the reality sinks, they will block you just like that!

Another type is one who wants validation. They get their kicks or high by messing up with people.

Part of the package in SA. You must learn to accept and move on....

Yeah this one was sending nudes and wanking videos without me even asking.
Had suspicious it might have been a guy all along as they were a bit too good at knowing which buttons to push!

[dmitrybulgakov]

yeah looks like lot of SB's are getting 500 ppm easily as many have asked why she should lower it down when they are easily getting it 

in Scotland, they certainly are not getting that.
I recently balled a model & small time actress (yes all credentials were checked before I dived in) for a sum much lower than 500. No travel expenses were paid.
Bit mechanical for my taste, as she has been doing this for couple of years on SA.

Look wise, yes a true verified model and actress. She is just leading a life-style which makes her do this. She ain't struggling with bills and all....
Stunning athletic body, but sex-wise... yawn!

[dmitrybulgakov]

Yeah this one was sending nudes and wanking videos without me even asking.
Had suspicious it might have been a guy all along as they were a bit too good at knowing which buttons to push!

I had a sub who took "free" instructions from me for a week or so, before the day of the meet. Told her to do things, like putting a butt plug, and going to her college in it. Sending me pic of her butt plug from the train.
I knew it that she will fuck, but on the day of the fuck-meet she bailed out... She even quit( not blocked me) the site.

Go figure....

Most likely reality settled in...

[jamiekinkxxx]

Any indication of PPM?

Not discussed yet... keeping it 'social' at the moment to lure her to accept a reasonable ££ (hopefully)

[updownandaround]

There are tons of them like there. Tons! I am wee bit experienced at SA now, thanks to the UKP posts. But this happens to me also (and to veterans).
They will send you nudes
They will send you their wanking videos and audios.
They will make you book a hotel and all..

But when the reality sinks, they will block you just like that!

Another type is one who wants validation. They get their kicks or high by messing up with people.

Part of the package in SA. You must learn to accept and move on....

Over the years I've experienced quite a lot of this, you chat on the phone even video chat, talk about meeting and then poof, they've gone. My currently theory is they are all hot and horny (usually late evening or early morning) and they have a wank .. hey presto, they're not interested any more. Some will block you and some will ghost. I've probably experienced that a good 10 times in the last 12 months so it's just part of the SA/Tinder furniture and something to look out for.

I'm pretty sure it also happens in reverse too.

[dmitrybulgakov]

Over the years I've experienced quite a lot of this, you chat on the phone even video chat, talk about meeting and then poof, they've gone. My currently theory is they are all hot and horny (usually late evening or early morning) and they have a wank .. hey presto, they're not interested any more. Some will block you and some will ghost. I've probably experienced that a good 10 times in the last 12 months so it's just part of the SA/Tinder furniture and something to look out for.

I'm pretty sure it also happens in reverse too.

Let me guess. Age group: 18 to 24ish? and nut-cases above 25 (or an age) as usual....

[Atrueyorkie]

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Any intel on this one, I like the look

[updownandaround]

Let me guess. Age group: 18 to 24ish? and nut-cases above 25 (or an age) as usual....

It's usually the younger ones, you're right but also the older ones in their 30s. On the plus side, they do tend to send some real filthy when they are in that mood.

[anonman2]

Seeing them again this week, will post the profile when I’m done with em - could do without a price hike.

Did you ever manage to see them again? They seem to have dropped off of SA entirely, which is a shame. Wondering if they're done now - lucky you for seeing them while they were up for it!

[zen123]

How accurate / reliable is "recent location"?

I see SBs where is seems to change between US and UK.

I'm thinking either the site defaults to US when it can't get a location (unlikely I think given it's based on ip address), or it's a scammer who's forgotten to put their VPN on.

Any other explanations / thoughts appreciated

[bigden40]

How accurate / reliable is "recent location"?

I see SBs where is seems to change between US and UK.

I'm thinking either the site defaults to US when it can't get a location (unlikely I think given it's based on ip address), or it's a scammer who's forgotten to put their VPN on.

Any other explanations / thoughts appreciated

There’s definitely been recent glitches of location wrongly showing as US.  Possibly something around site being hosted there maybe?

Otherwise I think it’s pretty accurate. 

[Dinekid7]

Forgive me, I know there will be those who advise I read the forum, I've been on this site long enough to no the deal, but I just have a question about SA

from my Impression it looks like it's normal woman looking to give the impression that they are willing to trade sex for some sort of luxury lifestyles,

Am I right in believing they are deluded ?

is SA just a less obvious version of AW?? for girls who have regular jobs or students etc??

[southcoastpunter]

Forgive me, I know there will be those who advise I read the forum, I've been on this site long enough to no the deal, but I just have a question about SA

from my Impression it looks like it's normal woman looking to give the impression that they are willing to trade sex for some sort of luxury lifestyles,

Am I right in believing they are deluded ?

is SA just a less obvious version of AW?? for girls who have regular jobs or students etc??

if you did read the thread it will tell you that some guys will say yes and that is indeed pretty much how they use SA and find ladies that are happy with that and provide that. But you will also find guys that say no, although there are some like that there are also others that are not at all like that. There are all sorts on there. including the normal scammers, fakes, time wasters etc.

If you want to use SA as an alternative to AW, then first thing is that its NOT CHEAP (either to join and for the ladies) . second thing is that is very time consuming!

The best thing is really to invest and hour or so and read back this thread, it will give you some useful info!

[PLeisure]

Forgive me, I know there will be those who advise I read the forum, I've been on this site long enough to no the deal, but I just have a question about SA

from my Impression it looks like it's normal woman looking to give the impression that they are willing to trade sex for some sort of luxury lifestyles,

Am I right in believing they are deluded ?

is SA just a less obvious version of AW?? for girls who have regular jobs or students etc??

How did you form that impression?

Read the thread 

[WAP]

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Wanted £500 just for a dinner meet with no guarantee of intimacy.

[southcoastpunter]

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Wanted £500 just for a dinner meet with no guarantee of intimacy.

profile gone (at least for me)

[Prifessionallondinguy]

Suspended again ….. I used the term allowance ….  Naughty me.  Sent a grovelling apology to customer support.

[gamblercan]

External Link/Members Only Famous escort and porn actress Emma is on Seeking now.

[Cunning Punt]

Suspended again ….. I used the term allowance ….  Naughty me.  Sent a grovelling apology to customer support.

Thanks for the warning because a lot of us use this word routinely.  Hardly naughty.

Banning mention of sex and money is bad enough, though sort of predictable, but it's getting ridiculous now. What do Brandon's bots think an arrangement involves it not an allowance? 

No wonder Seeking is dying a slow death.

[NightKid]

External Link/Members Only Famous escort and porn actress Emma is on Seeking now.

She's obviously been on there awhile now if you look at the profile registration date.

[dmitrybulgakov]

Thanks for the warning because a lot of us use this word routinely.  Hardly naughty.

Banning mention of sex and money is bad enough, though sort of predictable, but it's getting ridiculous now. What do Brandon's bots think an arrangement involves it not an allowance? 

No wonder Seeking is dying a slow death.

Because it is not an arrangement site any more..

He fell in love, and got married. He did not take a loan for his marriage, but we all will "pay" for his mistake! 

[Cunning Punt]

Because it is not an arrangement site any more..

He fell in love, and got married. He did not take a loan for his marriage, but we all will "pay" for his mistake! 

The only person that Brandon is in love with is himself.

[Prifessionallondinguy]

The only person that Brandon is in love with is himself.

How much does he charge ppm? Does he do anal?

I mentioned to the support team that a ban seemed a tad harsh as the lady asked if I was open to an allowance. No mention of sex at all ….. I was very reserved …. I asked them to indicate to me where I’ve broken the rules … and apologised if I had.

To be quite honest … regarding  the shit shower that is currently SA … I’m not that fussed but still like to look. Have one decent lead on WA.

[Brimich]

I can’t use Seeking much….only when the wife is away and if I squirrel away cash, so most of the time I have a view only account.

However, this profile checks me out most days….why…?

Anyone else get that kind of attention?

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[Offtoasda]

I can’t use Seeking much….only when the wife is away and if I squirrel away cash, so most of the time I have a view only account.

However, this profile checks me out most days….why…?

Anyone else get that kind of attention?

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I take "business" trips to discuss business opportunities in foreign countries.  I also found purchasing small expensive items, which I return discreetly and then if she asks me about them I say they broke and I threw them away.

[Cunning Punt]

I can’t use Seeking much….only when the wife is away and if I squirrel away cash, so most of the time I have a view only account.

However, this profile checks me out most days….why…?

Anyone else get that kind of attention?

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Yes, I have a few that do that. I wonder if some of them are fake profiles set up by SA, though mostly probably bored girls skimming through hundreds of profiles a day.

Either way, they're timewasters, I reckon.

On occasion, I ask them whether they are going to keep on viewing my profile or actually send a message. Predictably, the message is read and ignored.

[lillythesavage]

I can’t use Seeking much….only when the wife is away and if I squirrel away cash, so most of the time I have a view only account.

However, this profile checks me out most days….why…?

Anyone else get that kind of attention?

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There is a discussion about her further back, serial favouriting me, every day for months, and not even subbed.

Not a bot though, had a spell of changing profile with questions, which she answered by changing hers, could a bot do that?

[bigden40]

I can’t use Seeking much….only when the wife is away and if I squirrel away cash, so most of the time I have a view only account.

However, this profile checks me out most days….why…?

Anyone else get that kind of attention?

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That same profile checks me out too. 

[Steve2]

I can’t use Seeking much….only when the wife is away and if I squirrel away cash, so most of the time I have a view only account.

However, this profile checks me out most days….why…?

Anyone else get that kind of attention?

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I don't feel left out now. She checks me out too

[kutch]

I can’t use Seeking much….only when the wife is away and if I squirrel away cash, so most of the time I have a view only account.

However, this profile checks me out most days….why…?

Anyone else get that kind of attention?

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This one views me everyday, but sends no messages