What to avoid?

[testuser]

What to avoid to achieve best results and avoids unfortunate circumstances?

For me:

1. Those that offer BB.
2. Those with photoshopped images.
3. Those without full verification.
4. Those not presented or that don't appear independent.
5. Brazilian (including ones with uk/port/span/ital pp), east asian or thai.

The last bit I often get not what was expected. Some are nice but the misleading ones ruin it.

On site is different. What's the politest way to turn back?

[whiskyfan]

Why not just write a few reviews rather than these pointless threads? Would be far more useful.

[SlamBoy]

Why don't you turn back from this site until you've done a few reviews. You come across as a keyboard-monger whose never punter in their life. Coming on here to give a list of advice when you've never punted 

[antsz]

Haven’t you raised this subject earlier in another thread ?

[pewpewpew]

Surely if we take advice #2 then we've eliminated most of the pool of working girls

[daviemac]

You seem to spend most of your life avoiding things, finding problems to watch out for and questioning things.

Forget all that and go for a punt and post a review.   

[scutty brown]

........... What's the politest way to turn back?

Its politest to not go at all, that way you don't waste the girls time

[NicoleNibbles]

Can I join in as a SP?
What to avoid
Those who phone and ask Are you open? Like we are some damn shop
Those who call and ask where I'm at? -- Said to outcalls only
THose who leave feedback with BB wg's
THose that hide their FB

[JonasG]

You're overthinking things way too much.

[Tablet]

I would suggest you never have physical contact with the SP until after the 3rd visit , just to play safe .

[LLPunting]

There is already plenty of advice for novice punters about how to search, what to watch out for and how to behave.

What is the point of your thread?  Are you advising other punters or just speaking for how you choose to find the SPs you book?

You need to qualify what "best results" means to you because it means nothing to us as far as you're concerned.

What do you mean by "unfortunate circumstances"?  Again another subjective and vague statement.

1. Those that offer BB. - Whilst many of us avoid BB and we can avoid known BBers.  There are no doubt plenty of BBers who can perform very well with clients using protection and who don't want kissing, RO or OWO.

2. Those with photoshopped images.  - Plenty of good SPs use shopped pics.  Plenty of shit SPs use raw photos
3. Those without full verification. - plenty of good SPs aren't fully verified
4. Those not presented or that don't appear independent.  - plenty of good SPs work in collectives and brothels
5. Brazilian (including ones with uk/port/span/ital pp), east asian or thai.  - You avoid these nationalities but not Romanians?  Care to explain why the nationalities you do see are so reliably good?

[testuser]

There is already plenty of advice for novice punters about how to search, what to watch out for and how to behave.

What is the point of your thread?  Are you advising other punters or just speaking for how you choose to find the SPs you book?

You need to qualify what "best results" means to you because it means nothing to us as far as you're concerned.

What do you mean by "unfortunate circumstances"?  Again another subjective and vague statement.

1. Those that offer BB. - Whilst many of us avoid BB and we can avoid known BBers.  There are no doubt plenty of BBers who can perform very well with clients using protection and who don't want kissing, RO or OWO.

2. Those with photoshopped images.  - Plenty of good SPs use shopped pics.  Plenty of shit SPs use raw photos
3. Those without full verification. - plenty of good SPs aren't fully verified
4. Those not presented or that don't appear independent.  - plenty of good SPs work in collectives and brothels
5. Brazilian (including ones with uk/port/span/ital pp), east asian or thai.  - You avoid these nationalities but not Romanians?  Care to explain why the nationalities you do see are so reliably good?

I agree there are always exceptions but in general, if I want no disappointment then avoiding certain things goes a long way. It does work and both workers or punters can have their own prerogative. I would never challenge a worker on their prerogative.

You do have to sympathise with those for where a few ruin it for everyone.

Avoid doesn't strictly mean boycott. It's more like many profiles will require extra scrutiny and you often don't have the time for that extra effort. Occasionally however I will and I will take a chance.

I would also expect people to have different takes in it depending what they're after and what they're happy with.

I say BB, I mean more those not offerring it responsibly. There's a bunch out there that'll offer it taking no precautions, no certs, etc. There are many more of those than responsible although they don't seem to hang around long. Some seem naive where as some I wonder if they have something already or are looking to be pregged. I don't engage in it so don't really understand it.

The problem with a PS image is the moment you've got that you don't know what you're getting. There are other things, such as people putting old photos which can be worse but less obvious.

Not all unverifieds are bad no. If they look young for example though it's a concern. I have noticed though a lot of verifieds might have used false pp or swapped accounts. It's not entirely reliable but helps a bit.

When I say independent I mainly mean not a slave or rather not in a bad situation.

The nationality thing is based on experience. With those there is a particular trend of arriving expecting ultra babe 2000 but instead spending an hour giving shrek his monies worth.

You can find issues regardless what nationalities but some are easier to predict than others.

The point of the thread is, reviews aside, is to share observations and maybe develop a better set of filters.

[LLPunting]

Thanks for clarifying your position.

Better that you start over on this thread, not state what your filters are, and draw out the principles which you've begun to elaborate so that they are more useful to a wider opinion base than your own.  Write it all out offline and then try to concisely and coherently present it, one clear point at a time.

I also suggest you request changing the title of your thread to something more meaningful and clear like, "Things to consider when finding a suitable Service Provider"

[fallentrees1321]

I say BB, I mean more those not offerring it responsibly. There's a bunch out there that'll offer it taking no precautions, no certs, etc. There are many more of those than responsible although they don't seem to hang around long. Some seem naive where as some I wonder if they have something already or are looking to be pregged. I don't engage in it so don't really understand it.

There is a way of offering BB responsibly ?
 

[testuser]

There is a way of offering BB responsibly ?
 

Yes. Tests and other things. Most people doing this though care for anon not BB. Doing it responsibly and 100% safe is so much hassle even without the anon (you need to go cold turkey for tests to work so a lot of time off the clock).

Chances are it's not responsible especially if it's just another typical profile + BB with no obvious conditions or differences.

I do get quite exited by impreg. Very rarely, for a short period of time some offer that. Never gone for it though. Sort of like sperm bank without the indirection and recipient gets paid not donor. Still they never convinced me they're doing it safe.

[coolkid05]

To be fair, I think the original poster has a point about Brazilian girls. From the pics I've seen of most of the Brazilian girls in London - they do appear to be very masculine in their build.

Am I being paranoid in thinking most are geezers?

[Derrick101]

Yes. Tests and other things. Most people doing this though care for anon not BB. Doing it responsibly and 100% safe is so much hassle even without the anon (you need to go cold turkey for tests to work so a lot of time off the clock).

Chances are it's not responsible especially if it's just another typical profile + BB with no obvious conditions or differences.

I do get quite exited by impreg. Very rarely, for a short period of time some offer that. Never gone for it though. Sort of like sperm bank without the indirection and recipient gets paid not donor. Still they never convinced me they're doing it safe.

A WG's test certificate is only good for her next barebacking client. All subsequent clients are dodging bullets. Best stay well clear IMO 

[Boristheboy]

If I had to add to this list, I'd say anyone with "Hott" as part of their profile name. Just from my own experience.

[JamesKW]

What to avoid to achieve best results and avoids unfortunate circumstances?

For me:

4. Those not presented or that don't appear independent.
5. Brazilian (including ones with uk/port/span/ital pp), east asian or thai.

In the case of 4. this is difficult to tell sometimes,as they maybe registered independently on AW but work out of a house with other girls.

I love South American girls they always seem to enjoy their work.

[pewpewpew]

A WG's test certificate is only good for her next barebacking client. All subsequent clients are dodging bullets. Best stay well clear IMO 

Just to clarify this, STI tests aren't instant, so a WG would need to take a test, not have any non covered sexual contact until the results come through (Can get STIs from OWO for example). Once the test results come through clean, the next guy she fucks can give her an STI leaving her certificate of impeccable sexual health invalid and irrelevant.

The whole BB with tested girls idea is preposterous. If you want to BB with hookers then fine, but don't be under any illusions that there's a safe way to do it

[testuser]

That's what I mean being off the clock. You can establish a web of trust but it's not perfect and you need do regular tests just in case. It only takes one person to screw up, screw in the pool and the whole thing is contaminated.

Many escorts will also want to protect themselves. If it shows anywhere you've even liased with someone doing BB they might reject. Some of it wont be about what really is or not if you don't have a better safe than sorry borderlining paranioa attitude to the affair quite a few workers would rather not.

[testuser]

In the case of 4. this is difficult to tell sometimes,as they maybe registered independently on AW but work out of a house with other girls.

I love South American girls they always seem to enjoy their work.

I have a thing for latin girls so find it particularly annoying. There are Brazillian girls that are really good, enthusiastic and know how to have a good time. Some have been so enthusiastic it feels like you're paying them to rape you. Unfortunately there's still way too many fakes out there ruining it all, enough that these days I ignore.

It's not one thing but plenty. Things like posing as south asians because there's a lack of supply there. All kinds of lies and misrepresentations all the time. Heavy photoshop is the default for images.

Punting is a gamble and it all comes down to the odds. There are definitely strong patterns to worker cultures based on nationality. Some of the good ones pick it up not even realising making it hard to distinguish.

For example I have a major case of yellow fever but I know odds are at least 3 against 1 that I'll get a grisly milf with a vag rag that smells like a piss cloth, potentially so much plastic they give MJ a run for his money or some thai ladyboy. Also Korean/Japanese is a likely story.

I don't mind odds but some are too steep. It's not as bad for Brazillians as the above example but it's still enough to steer clear if I don't have the time or can't find enough supporting evidence that they're legit. Whenever I do my research I very often find inconsistences and cause to give it a no go. After a point you stop bothering at all.

[JamesKW]

Just to clarify this, STI tests aren't instant, so a WG would need to take a test, not have any non covered sexual contact until the results come through (Can get STIs from OWO for example). Once the test results come through clean, the next guy she fucks can give her an STI leaving her certificate of impeccable sexual health invalid and irrelevant.

The whole BB with tested girls idea is preposterous. If you want to BB with hookers then fine, but don't be under any illusions that there's a safe way to do it

So they tell me at the GUM clinic AIDS has a three month gestation period,so for it to be accurate you would not be able to have BB sex three months before the test, up until the results come through and until they have sex with the punter.