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Offline PumpDump

If you think asking is boundary pushing then don't do it but that is not what I'm saying, like I said try reading the words in my posts again.

The question by the OP of this thread is - "Is there such thing as excessive touching in AMPs" and the answer is yes, he wants extra services over and above what has been paid for, he only wants to pay for the HE but also wants to grope the SP without her consent and that is not on.

I have seen several masseuses who have turned out to be legit and a polite well worded question has never been an issue for them. By polite and well worded I do not mean something like "any chance of a wank", I mean not asking directly, asking if they ever get asked. 

Are you for real??? WTF has "how sex naturally progresses between two people" got to do with a paid encounter, it isn't a date. A punter pays for the services the provider has agreed to provide and he stays withing whatever limits she has set, it's very simple really.  In a civvy encounter the sex goes on in a trial and error way, in a paid encounter the SP has a list of what they are prepared to do which need to be agreed before hand.

The key issue that you are not understanding is the fact the OP wants extras but doesn't want to pay for them.

That quote indicates there is a set of charges for different levels of service at the place he refers to, therefore if he wants to get 'hands on' he needs to pay for it.

I think there is a misunderstanding of what the OP is asking. My understanding is he was asking is touch included in the £20 extra for a hand job or would he have to pay more. He was wondering if it would be considered cheeky/cheap/tight to have touching included (IME sometimes the girl is perfectly fine with it, other times she will tell you it is an extra charge). You seem to think he meant pushing boundaries by touching the masseur in a way she is not comfortable with, pushing her beyond what she is happy to do. This is obviously something I don't condone.

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I think there is a misunderstanding of what the OP is asking. My understanding is he was asking is touch included in the £20 extra for a hand job or would he have to pay more. He was wondering if it would be considered cheeky/cheap/tight to have touching included (IME sometimes the girl is perfectly fine with it, other times she will tell you it is an extra charge). You seem to think he meant pushing boundaries by touching the masseur in a way she is not comfortable with, pushing her beyond what she is happy to do. This is obviously something I don't condone.
Don't tell me what I understand and what I don't understand, only the OP can say categorically what he means, you can only go off your interpretation of it.

Once again expecting services not agreed or paid for is boundary pushing.

3 times now, give it up and stop trying to convince me you know what the OP means, you don't.

Offline kerchiw

As the OP let me clarify what I meant, and the title/original post is clearly poorly worded.

By "excessive touching" i was trying to determine if customers of £20 HEs usually get to stroke some leg and bum or if £20 HE usually results in the punter being purely a passive recipient. Im absolutely fine with being passive but was just trying to establish what to expect.

Written comms has the issue of not getting the majority of the meaning of the question across and some have interpreted me as a damn near rapist which I have to say I don't appreciate. I genuinely like to think the SPs i've been with have not considered me a boundary pusher or creep

It must be said i've yet to have an encounter where I asked before doing each thing (I will look to address this just to make sure they're at ease, but as said I'm planning on using my usual place) What I have had happen though is a masseuse press her thighs into my hands whilst giving me CCs and talk reassuringly whilst I'm stroking her legs/ass and this happened BEFORE she asked what i would like on the turn (Incidentally I took £50 B2B which resulted in RO) but the reason I asked is because I want to make another visit soon and IM PRESUMING that if that situation occurs again and I only opted for the £20 it could well offend. So im trying to establish what's normal and what was that specific SP expecting of me. Did she know I'd spend big because of how it was going/would she had been content either way/would she slap me on the face and regret all that touching she was allowing?

Communication going forward is the solution it seems.

Offline PumpDump

Don't tell me what I understand and what I don't understand, only the OP can say categorically what he means, you can only go off your interpretation of it.

Once again expecting services not agreed or paid for is boundary pushing.

3 times now, give it up and stop trying to convince me you know what the OP means, you don't.

I didn't say that! I said you took one interpretation of what the OP said, I took another. I didn't say you are wrong and I am right, or vice versa.

Offline Sattob

As someone who has probably had a few hundred 'massages' (around 20 a year, for, say, 20 years), I can't recall having paid for a dressed HE. Naked, the girls will allow touching, the question is how much. Some take the 'Bikini' bottom rule, that is, if it's hidden by a Bikini it's off-limits. Some don't allow touching touching of the boobs, some just don't allow touching of the nipples. Touching of the pussy is sometimes allowed. Insertion is rare, but some allow it. Dressed, before HE, most will allow touching of the legs & arms, and usually bum.

Generally I ask, often by touching say a leg and saying 'OK?', and gradually boundaries are set. Also, boundaries shift. One girl I used to see a lot has allowed me to touch everything, but then sometimes says 'boobs only'.

Touching of course leads onto licking/kissing. Quite a few allow the nips to be licked, quite a few do not. Just ask, or, if the English is poor, indicate what you want to do, or sometimes (depending on the build-up) do it for a second, and ask if OK? However, asking before is always the safest route.

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Edited to add Don't forget that some will allow touching, of everything, but for a price. Masha's Massage in Edgware does this. I haven't been in 2-3 years, but I think it was £20 for 'Access All Areas'? (this was meant to be an edit not an additional post)
« Last Edit: January 16, 2023, 05:51:10 pm by Sattob »

Offline webpunter

That's impressive stats
Most times when i go for a chinese R&T i decline the option for b2b kit off
Its rare that chinese burds have fit bods / decent chebbage
& they usually have hairy muffs  :scare:
B2B is typically +40 tho prices are rising & HE is +20, so a cash saving when all i'm really interested in is the HJ tank emptying action
Different with thai burds who are usually fitter nicer skin colour [edit: chinese burds tend to be pale  :scare:] so b2b yes please
The above is for R&T shop based stuff, a different modus operandi with indies & EEs

As someone who has probably had a few hundred 'massages' (around 20 a year, for, say, 20 years), I can't recall having paid for a dressed HE
« Last Edit: January 16, 2023, 06:30:31 pm by webpunter »

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Touching of course leads onto licking/kissing. Quite a few allow the nips to be licked, quite a few do not. Just ask, or, if the English is poor, indicate what you want to do, or sometimes (depending on the build-up) do it for a second, and ask if OK? However, asking before is always the safest route.

I sometimes wonder if 'punt signing' was invented long before deaf sign language. :rolleyes:

Offline Sattob

I sometimes wonder if 'punt signing' was invented long before deaf sign language. :rolleyes:
Sex signing certainly was, so, yes!

Offline Iloveoral

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As someone who has probably had a few hundred 'massages' (around 20 a year, for, say, 20 years).

7 years a member x 20 massages per year = 12 reviews?  :lol:
Basic maths obviously  :lol:
« Last Edit: January 17, 2023, 08:52:00 am by Iloveoral »

Offline Sattob

7 years a member x 20 massages per year = 12 reviews?  :lol:
Basic maths obviously  :lol:
I often see the same girl, and don't usually review the same one more than once. For example, there was one girl 'Sasha' in Watford, who I saw I'd guess 30-40x over a few years, but reviewed once (still my favourite, but sadly retired). A recent one I saw 6-7x, but again one review. I also took a hiatus from the website for a few years. My most recent review was a single review of an establishment in Watford area that I've been to many times in the past year. Maybe I should have reviewed every girl I saw there, but honestly they sort of merged into one. I've also been abroad, and had a few massages there, but I don't know where to put them. There are also a few who seem to be uncomfortable with reviews (or at least don't want it mentioned that they do extras). Plus 2020 & 2021 I didn't see more than 5 or 6, and 2022 around 20, of which 5-6 were one girl, a few didn't bother reviewing, but did one review, one or two I did review, and a a few overseas. Circumstances meant that 2018-2019 also meant I couldn't go much, pre-virus.
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I’m playing with you matey  :lol: you review regularly and it’s appreciated, thank you  :drinks:

Offline Sattob

I’m playing with you matey  :lol: you review regularly and it’s appreciated, thank you  :drinks:
No worries!  :drinks: Fair comment though, and it can be annoying when someone claims to have massive experience, and you see one review...
« Last Edit: January 17, 2023, 10:37:46 pm by Sattob »

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I bet the op hadn’t expected such a response to his, as I see it ,reasonably question . My experience of amp masseuses is if they don’t like it they tell you NO . If your hands wander up their legs or bum as they massage you, if they don’t want it they soon tell you . No fingers inside .No kissing .No sex etc etc. .b.Basically if they don’t like it they tell you and  at that point I and I hope most people would stop . At no point in his post did he suggest he was trying go beyond their boundaries..
I’ve had probably in excess of over 250.massages  , I’m not trying to boast,I only joined ukp because I was in hospital and couldn’t partake in my favourite hobby and would review more often but I stick to forum rules.
The op in my opinion is right in the respect that the girls do , if they don’t know you try it on  to get you to spend more money .
The majority of replies  should have said  if the masseuse says NO then you STOP.

 

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I bet the op hadn’t expected such a response to his, as I see it ,reasonably question . My experience of amp masseuses is if they don’t like it they tell you NO . If your hands wander up their legs or bum as they massage you, if they don’t want it they soon tell you . No fingers inside .No kissing .No sex etc etc. .b.Basically if they don’t like it they tell you and  at that point I and I hope most people would stop . At no point in his post did he suggest he was trying go beyond their boundaries..
I’ve had probably in excess of over 250.massages  , I’m not trying to boast,I only joined ukp because I was in hospital and couldn’t partake in my favourite hobby and would review more often but I stick to forum rules.
The op in my opinion is right in the respect that the girls do , if they don’t know you try it on  to get you to spend more money .
The majority of replies  should have said  if the masseuse says NO then you STOP.
You are missing the main issue in the OP's post and that is he wants to get hands on but he doesn't want to pay, the whole thing is a paid transaction and he wants more that he pays for.

Hey Punters,

  Just wondering if there is an etiquette or a "perceived acceptable level of familiarity" with the masseuse in the AMP if you arent spending the big bucks.

  I've got the hunger for a R&T and with money being tight i dont really want to be spending £40-70 on extras on top of the massage. But i do love to get hands on the masseuse where they make it available. Is it rude to get rather hands on but then only take the £20 happy ending option when the offer comes?

He wants extras but then only wants to pay for the basics.  He has since tried to explain it but I see that as backtracking because of the justified reaction he got.

The basic rule is be prepared to pay for the services you want.

Offline webpunter

Its not a difficult one is it, if you wanna play you gotta pay
& take the right approach
i somehow doubt the OP will achieve either

You are missing the main issue in the OP's post and that is he wants to get hands on but he doesn't want to pay, the whole thing is a paid transaction and he wants more that he pays for.

Offline kerchiw

You are missing the main issue in the OP's post and that is he wants to get hands on but he doesn't want to pay, the whole thing is a paid transaction and he wants more that he pays for.

Not what I said, hence the whole post was me asking for clarification. Since i expected that grabbing ass and only taking the £20 HE on the turn would be a no no I was merely asking to confirm that if i want the ass grabbing "potentially" available, I need to be going for the B2B option. As it happens I've not been to an AMP since the post.

Gotta say the board moderators here and forum helpers come across as absolute rays of sunshine..

Didnt see the "talk to members like theyre pieces of shit" in the rules....

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Not what I said, hence the whole post was me asking for clarification. Since i expected that grabbing ass and only taking the £20 HE on the turn would be a no no I was merely asking to confirm that if i want the ass grabbing "potentially" available, I need to be going for the B2B option. As it happens I've not been to an AMP since the post.
Read your post again, it's exactly what you said.

" I've got the hunger for a R&T and with money being tight i dont really want to be spending £40-70 on extras on top of the massage. But i do love to get hands on the masseuse where they make it available. Is it rude to get rather hands on but then only take the £20 happy ending option when the offer comes?
You want to get hands on then only pay the bare minimum.

I've told you what I think of that attitude and if you think that's me talking to you like a piece of shit then that's you problem, learn to act in a reasonable manner like any decent punter would.

BTW that list was not written by the site owner, admin or a moderator. We can actually do more.
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Read your post again, it's exactly what you said.

" I've got the hunger for a R&T and with money being tight i dont really want to be spending £40-70 on extras on top of the massage. But i do love to get hands on the masseuse where they make it available. Is it rude to get rather hands on but then only take the £20 happy ending option when the offer comes?
You want to get hands on then only pay the bare minimum.

I've told you what I think of that attitude and if you think that's me talking to you like a piece of shit then that's you problem, learn to act in a reasonable manner like any decent punter would.

BTW that list was not written by the site owner, admin or a moderator. We can actually do more.

My post was asking. I asked because i wanted to respect what the etiquette of the AMPs is. So when the replies came through that "hands on IS the preserve of B2B tippers" then i knew where i stood. If i want to only have a R&T ill keep my hands to myself and keep the costs down, if i want more ill either use an escort for 30 minutes or get a 30 minute massage with the B2B extras (money depending, but i've had some good experiences with escort Thai girls for £80 and under).

I dont want to be considered rude by the parlor staff as i want to be welcomed back rather than be blacklisted or talked about as the "boundary pusher" by the girls when leaving.


I dont appreciate the immediate "boundary pusher" and other condescending type comments mainly from people who are supposed to be invested in making this site a decent place to be. It's not just replies directed at me and in this post where i see what looks like mods and forum helpers doing their best to drive people away from the site...

The post was made because I, as someone at the beginning of their punting journey having only visited AMPs about 5 or 6 times; didnt know what the boundaries were for the different levels of extras(I've explained what led me to this conclusion) but as said i had my suspicions that touching them whilst they build you up to the upsell of extras could be offensive if you werent going to take the top level.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2023, 06:27:20 pm by kerchiw »

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I dont appreciate the immediate "boundary pusher" and other condescending type comments mainly from people who are supposed to be invested in making this site a decent place to be. It's not just replies directed at me and in this post where i see what looks like mods and forum helpers doing their best to drive people away from the site...
If your post gives the impression that you are looking to push boundaries by getting services then not paying for them then that is the way you will be treated.

As a result of being involved with them while gathering information in order to ban them from here, I have seen the effect boundary pushers have on escorts  so I make no excuse for calling someone out who is posting like one. Boundary pushers or anyone abusing escorts are not welcome here and that is something that needs to be made very clear.

Offline kerchiw

What kind of person asks "Is this deemed rude?" and then goes and does it anyway if it turns out that "Yes, £20 HEs NEVER come with touching rights"  :unknown:

The reason for the post i've described and then elaborated on in my further replies.

Like i've said multiple times im happy to respect the rules and was just trying to gauge the "unspoken etiquette" of what i shouldn't be doing whilst im getting my asscrack and balls played with ten minutes into a £30 massage. Especially in situations where the masseuse is consciously forcing her thighs into my hand...


Let's get this straight I have absolutely no intention of going for bare boob or anything more extreme than that as those are definitely part of the "B2B" extras tier. touching thigh and ass (over whatever the outer layer of clothing may be) was my expectation when making the initial post. Essentially i was trying to clarify if what i had experienced during the first 15 minutes (before extras were even discussed) with a certain SP from my reviews list would be deemed as poor form by me if i then only opted for £20 when given the "any extras?" chat. The fact that said SP then actually listed HE for £20 or B2B for £50 after I've touched leg and bum is another factor that led me to being unsure that's all.

Maybe people are imagining me saying I'm going to chance something much more graphic .Granted the title "excessive touching" was open to be interpreted as me asking "Can i finger her for twenty quid?" But again, i was merely trying to identify if legs, ass and boobs over clothing is deemed as "Excessive/disrespectful" from HE punters.

The fact that even today i've read a review where an AMP masseuse allowed touching of leg/ass/crotch over clothing within the first 10 minutes and then offered "HE £20 or B2B £40" has only led to more confusion. If putting your hands on the outside of their clothing is "too far" then surely they should be commenting or making sure that a fee of over £20 is agreed before they give up that clothed ass?

I think the main point that was taken away many posts ago now remains, its down for me and the SP to communicate what theyre ok with and what i am willing to pay. If they lock "touching them in any way shape or form" behind a higher paywall then ill respect it as i've repeatedly said.

It seems some people on here are keeping their hands to themselves and enjoying a £20 HE, and another bunch are having some physical touch of the female form whilst they enjoy the £20 to help them along.. Are the latter of these people all boundary pushers?

Offline webpunter

Dont try & transfer your boundary pushing onto other UKP'ers
Most UKP'ers arent stupid enuf to need to ask the question that you posed in your opener
It's tedious reading your efforts to muddy the waters with increasingly drawn out posts
Tho it is amusing watching you trying to put the genie back in the bottle
& failing, miserably

It seems some people on here are keeping their hands to themselves and enjoying a £20 HE, and another bunch are having some physical touch of the female form whilst they enjoy the £20 to help them along.. Are the latter of these people all boundary pushers?

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It seems some people on here are keeping their hands to themselves and enjoying a £20 HE, and another bunch are having some physical touch of the female form whilst they enjoy the £20 to help them along.. Are the latter of these people all boundary pushers?
We'll see if a week's break gives you a chance to reflect on the points made and let this go.

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Dont try & transfer your boundary pushing onto other UKP'ers
Most UKP'ers arent stupid enuf to need to ask the question that you posed in your opener
It's tedious reading your efforts to muddy the waters with increasingly drawn out posts
Tho it is amusing watching you trying to put the genie back in the bottle
& failing, miserably

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