Is there such thing as excessive touching in AMPs

[kerchiw]

Hey Punters,

  Just wondering if there is an etiquette or a "perceived acceptable level of familiarity" with the masseuse in the AMP if you arent spending the big bucks.

  I've got the hunger for a R&T and with money being tight i dont really want to be spending £40-70 on extras on top of the massage. But i do love to get hands on the masseuse where they make it available. Is it rude to get rather hands on but then only take the £20 happy ending option when the offer comes?

[daviemac]

If you have to ask this then you shouldn't be punting. Sexual assault is illegal so yes there is such a thing as excessive touching.

Touching a masseuse up without consent makes you a boundary pusher and they aren't welcome here. Agree and pay for what's acceptable.

[Roger111]

What is AMP. Or am I the only one

[Marsh Mitch]

What is AMP. Or am I the only one

Asian Massage Parlour.

[mr.bluesky]

What is AMP. Or am I the only one

No didn't have a clue either,  I wish people would stop using obscure abbreviations,  just lazy 

[Dipper]

No didn't have a clue either,  I wish people would stop using obscure abbreviations,  just lazy 

WDYM? 

[catweazle]

No didn't have a clue either,  I wish people would stop using obscure abbreviations,  just lazy 

I wouldn't say "AMP" is obscure, it's quite frequently used

[Moby Dick]

What is AMP. Or am I the only one

Asset Management Plan

He’s planning to get his hands on her assets and with a bit of management hopes not to pay.

[bigden40]

I wouldn't say "AMP" is obscure, it's quite frequently used

But in a UK context I would have though CMP would be more normal.

Anyway to answer the OP question, when it comes to touching i usually start with something innocuous and move in small increments depending on the level of encouragement or not from the masseuse.

However, if you get very hands on and then only leave a £20 tip for the HE then you’re taking the piss.

[daviemac]

But in a UK context I would have though CMP would be more normal.

What is CMP?? it isn't in the punting wiki glossary and if it was a well used, normal acronym it would be. 

[limarasa9]

CMP = Client Money Protection. So in the case of OP, he wants to use the services but protect his money without spending on extras

[bigden40]

What is CMP?? it isn't in the punting wiki glossary and if it was a well used, normal acronym it would be. 

Chinese Massage Parlour

[contentguy]

The puntingwiki Glossary is useful for acronyms:
External Link/Members Only

[jseop109]

I've never been very good with TLAs.

[FLYING BLUE]

Hey Punters,

  Just wondering if there is an etiquette or a "perceived acceptable level of familiarity" with the masseuse in the AMP if you arent spending the big bucks.

  I've got the hunger for a R&T and with money being tight i dont really want to be spending £40-70 on extras on top of the massage. But i do love to get hands on the masseuse where they make it available. Is it rude to get rather hands on but then only take the £20 happy ending option when the offer comes?

Keep your hands to yourself unless it's specifically indicated otherwise - this would be my advice

[Stevelondon]

I’m not one of the WSWS brigade.
I always like to know exactly what’s on offer and can then begin the punt knowing what’s to come, or not as the case may be.

First time I ever visited Genesis up North. I had been told it was only sensual massage with HE.
As I lay on my back enjoying the build up to the inevitable. I ASKED if I could touch.
“Just my bum” was the reply.


It’s always about comms, never about just grabbing a handful of arse.
That’s just not polite.

[daviemac]

Chinese Massage Parlour

Well you learn something new every day, I always thought China was in Asia, has it been reallocated to another continent.   

The puntingwiki Glossary is useful for acronyms:
External Link/Members Only

CMP isn't in it. Chinese, Thai or whatever else are grouped in Asian Massage Parlour, AMP.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

How many reactive KVA is that;?...

[bigden40]

Well you learn something new every day, I always thought China was in Asia, has it been reallocated to another continent.   
CMP isn't in it. Chinese, Thai or whatever else are grouped in Asian Massage Parlour, AMP.

Nope, still there last time I looked.  Wasn't really the (rather trivial) point I was making. Tbh I’m indifferent to the acronyms used but have always thought of AMPs as an Americanism, not least because many of the parlours there are not Chinese, as opposed to London where most of them are.  CMP I have seen used a lot, possibly on other lesser forums.

[contentguy]

CMP isn't in it. Chinese, Thai or whatever else are grouped in Asian Massage Parlour, AMP.

Aware of that Davie, I was providing the link to help those such as Roger111 who may not be aware of it.
I should probably have replied to his post.

 

[webpunter]

An occassional WSWS outing can be fun
Like a challenge
Depends if the burd "likes" you

I’m not one of the WSWS brigade.
I always like to know exactly what’s on offer and can then begin the punt knowing what’s to come, or not as the case may be.

First time I ever visited Genesis up North. I had been told it was only sensual massage with HE.
As I lay on my back enjoying the build up to the inevitable. I ASKED if I could touch.
“Just my bum” was the reply.


It’s always about comms, never about just grabbing a handful of arse.
That’s just not polite.

As for the OP a tight fisted cheap skate groper
An inappropriate question to be thinking let alone asking on here
Bet the massage burds can spot his type a mile off

[scutty brown]

Asian Massage Parlour.

Stupid Americanism

[webpunter]

R&T parlour hits the nail on the head 

[LLPunting]

R&T parlour hits the nail on the head

^^ This labels without prejudice, inaccuracy of nationality or cultural ignorance

What do you call a parlour that's staffed with Caucasians?

Why should the manners practiced by punters be different in an "AMP" c.f. a parlour with no staff from the many diverse Asian cultures?

AMP is an Americanism either learned from Porn or from indulging in the parlour scene over there.  It's typical of their bigotted attitude to labelling given that the Koreans, Vietnamese and Chinese running the parlours all do so with significantly distinct cultural influences.   Having been to all 3 types I found the women quite different in each but all expecting the same respect.

[PumpDump]

Hey Punters,

  Just wondering if there is an etiquette or a "perceived acceptable level of familiarity" with the masseuse in the AMP if you arent spending the big bucks.

  I've got the hunger for a R&T and with money being tight i dont really want to be spending £40-70 on extras on top of the massage. But i do love to get hands on the masseuse where they make it available. Is it rude to get rather hands on but then only take the £20 happy ending option when the offer comes?

Quite simply it depends on the girl. Generally with £20 extra it's for a hand job and she might allow touching outside clothes. Very rarely you might get to put your hand inside her bra or panties. She ain't getting naked though. You generally have to spend £40 - 60 extra for full on touching.

By the way, the hands on comes after you've agreed the tip. Not the other way as you seem to think so. 

[willie loman]

i kind of think that girls who do massage with happy ending are tough enough to look after themselves, and expect clients to try it on, and manage the encounter as they see fit, just saying, never had one, no interest in one, finally enough of these acronyms that only the cognoscenti know.

[sensualencounter]

But in a UK context I would have though CMP would be more normal.

Anyway to answer the OP question, when it comes to touching i usually start with something innocuous and move in small increments depending on the level of encouragement or not from the masseuse.

However, if you get very hands on and then only leave a £20 tip for the HE then you’re taking the piss.

Are you a boundary pusher too?

[PumpDump]

Are you a boundary pusher too?

Really? You are joining in the faux outrage as well? What do you do when you are with a girl, get her to fill out a form ticking a checkbox of everything you are allowed to do?

[sensualencounter]

Really? You are joining in the faux outrage as well? What do you do when you are with a girl, get her to fill out a form ticking a checkbox of everything you are allowed to do?

No, I have a sensible conversation and agree services. Before touching her, if she’s agreed to it. I don’t just change a sneaky touch or grope and see how she reacts. Maybe you should try doing this too?

[kerchiw]

It appears my rather limited experience within a small number of UK parlours has led me to make some (apparently) incorrect assumptions.

The reason I asked is because I haven't (in the UK at least) experienced a massage that I didn't take the top level extras for and I wanted to get my head around how "passive" the usual "HE only" punter should be to not cause offence. I can't imagine Girls who are happy to slide their bare upper thighs on my hands before agreeing any extras (therefore encouraging the behaviour I have come to expect as normal) and who are glad to sit on my face to receive oral during B2B at an agreed £50 but without verbally communicating "is this gonna result in RO?" being unable to set inform the punter where boundaries are and what price barriers may unlock them.

BTW I'm not saying I'm attempting to grope bare tit or get wet fingers here... Just thigh stroking and bum squeezing under the tunic is the most I'll reach for whilst they're getting heavy with the RUs/CCs.

Having experience of just 1 parlor in America where the only thing on offer was HE and they always dressed conservatively the most that I ever got there was squeezing bum and stroking lower back over the clothes.. boundaries were clearly set and adhered to.

I'm pretty sure I've not pushed boundaries within the few establishments I've visited in the UK as yet but the reason for this whole post is because I don't want to be seen by the girls in my locals taking the piss If money is tight but I want a HE.  Like some have said Id be best to confirm verbally if it's ok to touch here, touch there, and respect the response. If any of it is as a condition of the bigger tips then I'll have to be strong willed or let my hands get the best of my wallet again...

[daviemac]

If money is tight but I want a HE. 

Save up for longer until you can afford to pay for the service you want.

Would you walk into a bar and order a pint then say as money's tight you only want to pay for a half. Yeah, you probably would.

[daviemac]

Really? You are joining in the faux outrage as well? What do you do when you are with a girl, get her to fill out a form ticking a checkbox of everything you are allowed to do?

I love threads like these, it shows us who are likely to be boundary pushers so when the reports come in that a punter has been pushing boundaries we can see it's probably true.

[Ghost89]

Well if the OP wants to go to an AMP for a HE ASAP and feel up the SP without consent, IMHO the OP could find himself going to HMP PDQ.

[bigden40]

Are you a boundary pusher too?

🙄

[JontyR]

First time I ever visited Genesis up North. I had been told it was only sensual massage with HE.
As I lay on my back enjoying the build up to the inevitable. I ASKED if I could touch.
“Just my bum” was the reply.

There's a massage parlour called Genesis?  How would you rate their invisible touch massage?

[daviemac]

There's a massage parlour called Genesis?  How would you rate their invisible touch massage?

Am I missing something here?

[Lou2019]

Am I missing something here?

Yes  took me a couple of seconds to get it 

[scutty brown]

Am I missing something here?

External Link/Members Only

[sensualencounter]

Am I missing something here?

I think it’s a Genesis song 

Edit: Scutty beat me to it!!

[daviemac]

I think it’s a Genesis song 

Edit: Scutty beat me to it!!

Ah, right, never heard of it.   

Edit

Correction I have heard the song just didn't know the title. Maybe I should have Googled it to get the joke. 

[kerchiw]

Save up for longer until you can afford to pay for the service you want.

Would you walk into a bar and order a pint then say as money's tight you only want to pay for a half. Yeah, you probably would.

I asked the question because ive only experienced encouragement so far in parlor punts but like i said I've always opted for high tier extras. I was asking to clarify my suspicions that touching some leg or ass would be off limits (even with the same girls) if you only pay for HE. Im happy to respect that now that i've established it is how that usually plays out, but to hear the amount of comments shocked that im damn near sexually abusing the ladies ive been with so far (knowing full well what the establishment is all about. This is not me attemping to grab ass in a legit place) is a bit surprising. We're all going to see sex workers right???

[daviemac]

We're all going to see sex workers right???

What part of ALL sexual contact has to be agreed between the client and service provider are you not understanding.

Every escort, or masseuse will have limits on what THEY deem acceptable and just because they are being paid does not mean those limits can be exceeded.

A punter pays the SP for the service she is willing to provide, the payment does not mean he can do what he likes and get services he hasn't paid for.

[Thephoenix]

Another outcome of boundary pushing is that the masseuse may get fed up and leave the job, thereby spoiling it for the rest of us.
Just have some respect.

[PumpDump]

I love threads like these, it shows us who are likely to be boundary pushers so when the reports come in that a punter has been pushing boundaries we can see it's probably true.

Asking for extras during a massage is boundary pushing then. When you go for a massage do you always wait for her to ask or do you initiate?

[PumpDump]

No, I have a sensible conversation and agree services. Before touching her, if she’s agreed to it. I don’t just change a sneaky touch or grope and see how she reacts. Maybe you should try doing this too?

Do you initiate the conversation or do you wait for her to?

[daviemac]

Asking for extras during a massage is boundary pushing then. When you go for a massage do you always wait for her to ask or do you initiate?

Try reading my posts again, I have never said ASKING is boundary pushing, the operative word being asking, it's grabbing before asking that's boundary pushing.

I would give it up if I were you, boundary pushers aren't welcome here and you seem to condoning it.

[PumpDump]

Try reading my posts again, I have never said ASKING is boundary pushing, the operative word being asking, it's grabbing before asking that's boundary pushing.

I would give it up if I were you, boundary pushers aren't welcome here and you seem to condoning it.

I am suggesting asking is also boundary pushing. What if the girl is a legit masseur who doesn't do extras. The simple question is pushing her boundaries.

I don't think you understand how sex naturally progresses between two people. In the heat of passion you don't keep asking if she is ok with this, ok with that. You read her body language, if you do something and she seems uncomfortable you back off and ask if she is ok with it.

[KatieEdinburgh]

I am suggesting asking is also boundary pushing. What if the girl is a legit masseur who doesn't do extras. The simple question is pushing her boundaries.

I don’t think this is necessarily true. And even if it were deemed boundary pushing to ask the question, doing it without asking is infinitely worse then… It can’t hurt to have consent in any situation. If in doubt, check ?

[Kev40ish]

I don’t think this is necessarily true. And even if it were deemed boundary pushing to ask the question, doing it without asking is infinitely worse then… It can’t hurt to have consent in any situation. If in doubt, check ?

We are simple people when we are on a massage table naked and they push their crotches into our head or onto our out stretched hand. Or running their hands around your butt massaging your balls.. It’s natural to just run your hands along their legs if they are being so obvious.

If they are not being so open I certainly wouldn’t push it without asking

[daviemac]

I am suggesting asking is also boundary pushing. What if the girl is a legit masseur who doesn't do extras. The simple question is pushing her boundaries.

I don't think you understand how sex naturally progresses between two people. In the heat of passion you don't keep asking if she is ok with this, ok with that. You read her body language, if you do something and she seems uncomfortable you back off and ask if she is ok with it.

If you think asking is boundary pushing then don't do it but that is not what I'm saying, like I said try reading the words in my posts again.

The question by the OP of this thread is - "Is there such thing as excessive touching in AMPs" and the answer is yes, he wants extra services over and above what has been paid for, he only wants to pay for the HE but also wants to grope the SP without her consent and that is not on.

I have seen several masseuses who have turned out to be legit and a polite well worded question has never been an issue for them. By polite and well worded I do not mean something like "any chance of a wank", I mean not asking directly, asking if they ever get asked. 

Are you for real??? WTF has "how sex naturally progresses between two people" got to do with a paid encounter, it isn't a date. A punter pays for the services the provider has agreed to provide and he stays withing whatever limits she has set, it's very simple really.  In a civvy encounter the sex goes on in a trial and error way, in a paid encounter the SP has a list of what they are prepared to do which need to be agreed before hand.

The key issue that you are not understanding is the fact the OP wants extras but doesn't want to pay for them.

  I've got the hunger for a R&T and with money being tight i dont really want to be spending £40-70 on extras on top of the massage. But i do love to get hands on the masseuse where they make it available. Is it rude to get rather hands on but then only take the £20 happy ending option when the offer comes?

That quote indicates there is a set of charges for different levels of service at the place he refers to, therefore if he wants to get 'hands on' he needs to pay for it.