Why is punting and escorting taboo?

[jimbobted]

Found myself pondering this recently.
But why is our hobby, and WGs work so taboo to society?

Fundamentally why should anyone give a shit if a bloke decides to spend some spare cash punting, or a girl decides to earn a living getting paid for sex?

"What did you do at the weekend". "Oh the usual, meet my mates for a drink, went to the football and banged a stunning escort" would have folk spilling their tea. Replace the word "escort" with "random girl I picked up" and it's good on you mate.

Prostitution has happened for thousands of years, there's clearly plenty of people who partake. So why does society remain so judgemental?

[jesse4585]

It's getting less taboo in recent years, at least according to several social attitudes studies. I understand that even feminists are now mostly pro sex work.  Some are not - but these are sometimes dismissed by mainstream feminists as SWERFS. There's been reports that some universities now openly have courses about the benefits of sex work as a source of income. That said, the latest social attitude studies I've ready still showed a narrow majority disapproved.

As for reasons why some still find it taboo - there's no single answer.  Partly it's a hangover from olden times when there were better reasons to be against too much sex work. E.g. due to spread of disease, as it undermined marriage which was (and to an extent still is) a central institution  under pinning social stability in just about every country in the world. Some people are just prudes or sexually repressive for unconscious reasons they can't explain rationally. Lots of other reasons too which others might add.

[MissWolf]

It's getting less taboo in recent years, at least according to several social attitudes studies. I understand that even feminists are now mostly pro sex work.  Some are not - but these are sometimes dismissed by mainstream feminists as SWERFS. There's been reports that some universities now openly have courses about the benefits of sex work as a source of income. That said, the latest social attitude studies I've ready still showed a narrow majority disapproved.

As for reasons why some still find it taboo - there's no single answer.  Partly it's a hangover from olden times when there were better reasons to be against too much sex work. E.g. due to spread of disease, as it undermined marriage which was (and to an extent still is) a central institution  under pinning social stability in just about every country in the world. Some people are just prudes or sexually repressive for unconscious reasons they can't explain rationally. Lots of other reasons too which others might add.

It's interesting isn't it, I do believe that society is changing albeit very slowly but there will always be a stigma,  some of that is I think based in a kind of jealousy,  the age old thing that you hate or disapprove of something not because you do so from an informed position but because you don't understand it and are not brave enough to try it even though you want to.

I also find it interesting that many many punters are seemingly happy to pay a prostitute for sex and see it as a purely business transaction, yet would never consider getting into a relationship with a prostitute or an ex prostitute, a real dichotomy of values 

[limarasa9]

Found myself pondering this recently.
But why is our hobby, and WGs work so taboo to society?

Fundamentally why should anyone give a shit if a bloke decides to spend some spare cash punting, or a girl decides to earn a living getting paid for sex?

"What did you do at the weekend". "Oh the usual, meet my mates for a drink, went to the football and banged a stunning escort" would have folk spilling their tea. Replace the word "escort" with "random girl I picked up" and it's good on you mate.

Prostitution has happened for thousands of years, there's clearly plenty of people who partake. So why does society remain so judgemental?

Ignore the society, would you be ok if your daughter or wife chooses this line of work?

[daviemac]

Ignore the society, would you be ok if your daughter or wife chooses this line of work?

Don't know about a wife but my children would get my fullest support in any legal career they chose. I might prefer my daughter didn't do it but having said that there's been loads of things I would have preferred my children hadn't done.  As a father I'm not going to judge.

It would be rather hypocritical for anyone on here to object to their daughter being an escort, we are after all shagging someone else's wife or daughter. 

[IAmNotFamous]

As someone has pointed out…it’s society. The more this subject is spoken about hopefully the more accepted it gets. Think of the homosexuality movement and how in the past that was hidden.

In terms of whether a family member chooses to go into this industry. It’s a means to survive.

[daviemac]

As someone has pointed out…it’s society. The more this subject is spoken about hopefully the more accepted it gets. Think of the homosexuality movement and how in the past that was hidden.

In terms of whether a family member chooses to go into this industry. It’s a means to survive.

No comparison, homosexuality was illegal until 1967 and men were jailed for it so had to be hidden, prostitution, the actual act of a woman selling sex, is and was legal.

[JD1]

I think views are gradually shifting. Feminism has drawn attention to “slut shaming” and the problems with that, and with the rise of things like OnlyFans sex work is slowly becoming more mainstream. I’m sure as time goes on it will become more and more accepted in society.

[Blackpool Rock]

No comparison, homosexuality was illegal until 1967 and men were jailed for it so had to be hidden, prostitution, the actual act of a woman selling sex, is and was legal.

I was actually thinking about Homosexuality too and how it's now broadly accepted by society to the point of same sex marriage etc

From being totally taboo it's probably more accepted now than paying for sex 
I think part of the question is why attitudes to paying for sex are so slow to change and be socially accepted while other things which were more leftfield are seemingly embraced 

Homosexuality; same sex marriage; Trans rights; whether someone is a man or a woman etc etc 

[daviemac]

I was actually thinking about Homosexuality too and how it's now broadly accepted by society to the point of same sex marriage etc

From being totally taboo it's probably more accepted now than paying for sex 
I think part of the question is why attitudes to paying for sex are so slow to change and be socially accepted while other things which were more leftfield are seemingly embraced 

Homosexuality; same sex marriage; Trans rights; whether someone is a man or a woman etc etc

I would say it's to do with things like pride marches, for want of a better way of putting it, forcing acceptance of change. On the other hand the press always seem to portray sex work as seedy, they always use the picture of a prostitute in a short skirt leaning into a car window when reporting.

There are laws to protect homosexuals or TS etc against discrimination so the press are careful not to be seen as bias against them. I'm not aware of sex workers having the same level of protection so are 'fair game' to be portrayed in the worse possible way.

[IAmNotFamous]

Then maybe the way forward is to hold our own marches…we’re pay for sex and we’re proud.

[jimbobted]

I also find it interesting that many many punters are seemingly happy to pay a prostitute for sex and see it as a purely business transaction, yet would never consider getting into a relationship with a prostitute or an ex prostitute, a real dichotomy of values 

I used to be of the POV that I wouldn't be able to have a relationship with a prostitute. But not so much now, I think I'm getting more.open minded.
Until I started punting I had probably quite a prejudiced view of what prostitutes were like - society conditions us to expect drug addled street walkers. But I was pleasantly surprised to find that by and large they are just nice normal people, like me. In hindsight, why wouldn't they be?

[jimbobted]

Ignore the society, would you be ok if your daughter or wife chooses this line of work?

Well I don't have a daughter, but if I did I'd hope I'd be open minded enough to support her choice. My wife and I haven't been physical for years so I really couldn't give a shit who she sleeps with for whatever reason, as I'm not getting any anyway (and don't particularly want any).
If my son's decided to go into sex work (perhaps gay escorts) I wouldn't try to stop them, but I'd make sure they knew how to keep themselves as safe as possible and know that I'd be there for advice or help whenever required.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Yes the way the press always portray prostitution in this country as seedy, exploitative and horrible is likely a major reason. I recall watching a Louis Theorux documentary (selling sex) not that long ago where he interviewed various prostitutes working in the UK and they always seem to me to pick women who are clearly not entirely happy with what they are doing.

One woman has a multitude of mental health problems and claimed after it aired that she was deeply unhappy with the way the film represented escorts and sex work and another woman really did not like the work but did it as it was one of the only ways she could earn decent money to support her and her kids.

There are various other documentaries made about it over the years and I can't recall any that present sex work in the UK in a positive or just neutral light by talking with normal women who have done this for years and enjoy it and its benefits or just see it as any other job in that you have good and bad days, people you like and those you don't.

[Blackpool Rock]

Then maybe the way forward is to hold our own marches…we’re pay for sex and we’re proud.

Yeah but can't see many married men or those with Gf's openly marching, it is a good point though that it's not been fought for in the same way that gay rights had to be fought for, a long and hard battle too to get where they are now

[MysteryManNo.7]

I used to be of the POV that I wouldn't be able to have a relationship with a prostitute. But not so much now, I think I'm getting more.open minded.
Until I started punting I had probably quite a prejudiced view of what prostitutes were like - society conditions us to expect drug addled street walkers. But I was pleasantly surprised to find that by and large they are just nice normal people, like me. In hindsight, why wouldn't they be?

I concur mostly with this in that prior to discovering escorts I was of the view that it was illegal, barely anyone offered it or wanted it and that the women who did offer it were desperate, unhappy and abused. Pleasant surprise then to find that's all bullshit (though of course there sadly will be some women who are trafficked and abused in this industry) and it has really opened my eyes and helped me learn what I like sexually and even what I would like from a relationship.

As I've mentioned on here before, I have dated an escort in the past and broke up with her as it just made things too complicated and I'm ultimately not comfortable with the idea of a woman I love fucking other blokes even if it is for the most part truly just transactional. This being said, it has made me think that were I to get into a relationship I would be happy to give things like sex parties or even threesomes with another bloke/woman with my partner (provides shes consenting of course) on occasion and with strict ground rules in place whereas pre escorts I was 100% monogomous.

I've have great discussion with a few escorts I've seen recently how they get sick of clients not understanding that what they do is purely transactional and that just because she's nice to you and you have a good time with each other it doesn't mean she wants to get to know you or had feelings for you. That being said the same escorts did both mention that on rare occasions they have caught feelings for clients and that has made things complicated.

[RandomGuy99]

Non-escorting women don't like it as they see it as dirty, degrading and possibly an easy way to make money. They don't really understand the job of an escort.

Men view it as taboo because women don't like it.

[Munter84]

Non-escorting women don't like it as they see it as dirty, degrading and possibly an easy way to make money. They don't really understand the job of an escort.

Men view it as taboo because women don't like it.

Yeah, I think this is pretty spot on.

Old fashioned societal attitudes towards sex before marriage and unplanned pregnancy have fallen by the wayside, so those can't explain why sex work is still taboo.

Ultimately I think the societal shame comes from women who are unhappy that the "rules" of sexual relationships are being undermined. Consider how hard a young guy may have to work to impress a girl on a night out, get her number, wine her and dine her, perhaps commit to a serious and monogamous relationship, all before her knickers come off. With a prostitute, you pay her money and her knickers hit the floor in the first five minutes. Then of course there's the competition anxiety from frumpy married women who don't really like sex, but hate the idea that their husbands could easily pay for sex any time they leave the house.

Likewise I think it circumvents the whole "game" of male sexual competition and is seen as cheating to an extent. At its core, the idea that men are the ones who pursue women, women are expected to resist, and only "give up the goods" after sufficient persuasion, is fairly sexist and should be opposed by feminists more than anyone - but it's a societal holdover that benefits women, so it's allowed to continue mostly unscrutinised. A man who declines to play the game, jump through the hoops and perform the traditional courtship rituals, and just skips straight to the finish line - he obviously gets some envious looks from all the blokes who are still grafting in the traditional way.

I think a lot of heartache (and ballache) would be avoided if both men and women were more honest about sexual and romantic needs, and the difference between the two.

[big-al93]

another woman really did not like the work but did it as it was one of the only ways she could earn decent money to support her and her kids.

I would imagine that there are only a small percentage of escorts that this wouldn't sort of apply to. If there were a plethora of jobs that paid as well and was as flexible as escorting, then escorts would probably be a rare thing indeed. Why would anyone face the potential risks of meeting with complete strangers and then being intimate with them, if it were not for the money and flexibility? Not if you could be as flexible and earn as much answering phones in a call centre or whatever. I certainly don't always love my job and can't wait to go to work, although I have a decent boss and little stress, but I would like to be paid more. Can't have it all.

[MysteryManNo.7]

I would imagine that there are only a small percentage of escorts that this wouldn't sort of apply to. If there were a plethora of jobs that paid as well and was as flexible as escorting, then escorts would probably be a rare thing indeed. Why would anyone face the potential risks of meeting with complete strangers and then being intimate with them, if it were not for the money and flexibility? Not if you could be as flexible and earn as much answering phones in a call centre or whatever. I certainly don't always love my job and can't wait to go to work, although I have a decent boss and little stress, but I would like to be paid more. Can't have it all.

Well yes but my point was that I don't agree with the mainstream media's perpetuation of the idea that every woman who work as a prostitute is only doing so because she's desperate, has been sexually abused in the past, has a poor relationship with her parents etc. Many of the WGs I've spent time with when asked why they do it have said it boils down to the fact that it pays so well and is flexible and it's a choice between earning let's say £100 per hour doing this or earning £7.00 an hour working in a coffee shop.

A lot of them are very intelligent, well educated women with degrees etc and started doing this as students to make some cash but quickly discovered how lucrative it is. Of course if there was another way for them to earn upwards of £100 per hour that required no qualifications or training which didn't involve having to shag random blokes and all the dangers that come with it I daresay prostitution would die out overnight but I don't think that's likely to happen.

I realise this is very easy for me to say as a bloke and a punter and I can never know the reality of how it feels to be a female eacort but there have been times where I'd thought how were I a woman I would give this a go as would be great to earn some extra cash even as someone who is financially secure.

[limarasa9]

Ah yes i've just started a thread asking in OT 

Cheers

[senordingdongs]

If you think it’s still taboo in England and Wales try living in a part of the UK were it is completely illegal, you mainland folk don’t know how lucky you are. The outrage and moral panic an establishment like the Private Club would have in Northern Ireland. We don’t even have any strip clubs

Then add to that the local Sunday rag top often has stories exposing punters and escorts then everything is done discreetly, even going for a massage means taking precautions. Of course academic studies have shown that the number of punters and escorts is up 350% since paying for sex became a criminal offence. And offences against working girls such as trafficking and abuse have increased despite being underreported.

[Mr Sinister]

I think views are gradually shifting. Feminism has drawn attention to “slut shaming” and the problems with that, and with the rise of things like OnlyFans sex work is slowly becoming more mainstream. I’m sure as time goes on it will become more and more accepted in society.

The issue with modern feminism, sexual liberation and women now being the #bossgirl and this addiction to social media is leading to wider problems in western society especially when it comes to relationships, marriages and families, there's a fracture/breakdown going on with millennials. I don't have much hope for Gen Z.

Despite seeing OnlyFans as "sex work" they don't view traditional prostitution in the same lens it's still a taboo for many even for liberal feminists. I've spoken many on this, gladly never revealed anything of myself since hearing their true feelings about a guy seeing a prostitute.

[Lecoamraam]

Found myself pondering this recently.
But why is our hobby, and WGs work so taboo to society?

A part of the taboo, I think, remains because of the abuse, exploitation, human trafficking, underage girls etc. etc.  That unfortunately still is very much happening. It’s hard for people in general to make a distinction between “the light side and the dark” of the scene.
Therefore, aside from the fun and happiness it brings to punters, a proper income for the service providers, there is still a lot of awfulness associated with it.

[IAmNotFamous]

A part of the taboo, I think, remains because of the abuse, exploitation, human trafficking, underage girls etc. etc.  That unfortunately still is very much happening. It’s hard for people in general to make a distinction between “the light side and the dark” of the scene.
Therefore, aside from the fun and happiness it brings to punters, a proper income for the service providers, there is still a lot of awfulness associated with it.

That’s a good point. The media conflates the illegal with the legal.

That aside, how many UKP’ers will openly talk about visiting red light districts in Europe (which are regulated and legit)?

If married/attached men start openly talking about that then that’s one way of breaking the taboo?

[jimbobted]

Yes I think there's a general assumption in society that all WGs are forced/trafficked/pimped/coerced/drug addicts. I suppose from that position it's obvious why seeing an escort is taboo, and also why choosing to be an escort would be a taboo to society at large.
I guess the real question immasking is why does society perpetuate that taboo? There have been some less negative portrayals from time to time - eg the Joanna Lumley character in Shirley Valentine which although played for comedic effect is closer to reality (of my punting anyway) than the drug addled skanks that society wishes you to believe is the reality.

Obviously as a married man I can't be open about my punting. But even if I were single I'd probably want to keep it secret, if only to avoid society heaping shame upon me.

[Moby Dick]

Not so many years ago Sex before / outside of marriage was frowned upon, women were chastised, sent to convents, and their children taken from them.

“Thou shalt not commit adultery”
It’s been away of controlling the masses for thousands of years.
Sex is shameful and a sin.
Wanking makes you go blind.

Paying for it, getting payed for it ..... stone ‘em.

[willie loman]

it will be too late for me, but once it stops being taboo for a girl to do this, prices will drop to the floor.

[dunhill]

While whore is still bandied about as an insult to use against women, then prostitution will continue to be a taboo. I believe both sexes are equally to blame for it to be taboo.  People like to judge others, and unfortunately, paying for sex and being paid sex will always be frowned on by some.  Some out of jealousy, others because of the ethics and morals involved. I think it is worth considering it's an industry that isn't regulated, and also attracts a lot of shady characters looking to exploited others, particularly women in some way.  This lack of equality coupled with the possibility of exploitation is possibly why many women are anti-escorting, even though it is one of the few industries where women, even those who are not educated, can out earn men. 

I think this is question that has many answers and reasons, and not just the ones I have shared. 

[willie loman]

While whore is still bandied about as an insult to use against women, then prostitution will continue to be a taboo. I believe both sexes are equally to blame for it to be taboo.  People like to judge others, and unfortunately, paying for sex and being paid sex will always be frowned on by some.  Some out of jealousy, others because of the ethics and morals involved. I think it is worth considering it's an industry that isn't regulated, and also attracts a lot of shady characters looking to exploited others, particularly women in some way.  This lack of equality coupled with the possibility of exploitation is possibly why many women are anti-escorting, even though it is one of the few industries where women, even those who are not educated, can out earn men. 

I think this is question that has many answers and reasons, and not just the ones I have shared.

but you make a good living out of it being taboo? if it was gap year employment like many other jobs, you wouldnt get men paying 200 £ for a 60 minute sexual encounter,more than the daily rate for an assistant barrister on legal aid

[RandomGuy99]

it will be too late for me, but once it stops being taboo for a girl to do this, prices will drop to the floor.

It'll never stop being taboo. Get used to it.

[dunhill]

but you make a good living out of it being taboo? if it was gap year employment like many other jobs, you wouldnt get men paying 200 £ for a 60 minute sexual encounter,more than the daily rate for an assistant barrister on legal aid

I think it's not as cut and dried as that.  If all those who punted were getting enough sex and variety at home, from girlfriends etc, and for free, you wouldn't need to pay for sex. After all, if everyone was sexually satiated, and for free, then there would be no need to pay.  But, life isn't like that. Men and women have different attitudes to sex and different sex drives.  I do think for some women whom are anti-sex work, it's out of the belief that no-one is entitled to or needs sex.

The reason sex workers can command high prices is because not all women (or men for that matter) choose to enter into sex work/want to have sex for money.  Additionally, sex work isn't a regulated industry, and also, not a necessity - it's a luxury, so it exists in a bubble where the individual SPs set the prices, not the consumers.

[Blackpool Rock]

It'll never stop being taboo. Get used to it.

If it stops being taboo then would demand from men drop  Just putting it out there 

[willie loman]

I think it's not as cut and dried as that.  If all those who punted were getting enough sex and variety at home, from girlfriends etc, and for free, you wouldn't need to pay for sex. After all, if everyone was sexually satiated, and for free, then there would be no need to pay.  But, life isn't like that. Men and women have different attitudes to sex and different sex drives.  I do think for some women whom are anti-sex work, it's out of the belief that no-one is entitled to or needs sex.

The reason sex workers can command high prices is because not all women (or men for that matter) choose to enter into sex work/want to have sex for money.  Additionally, sex work isn't a regulated industry, and also, not a necessity - it's a luxury, so it exists in a bubble where the individual SPs set the prices, not the consumers.

thanks for the reply but the main reason, not the only reason, girls dont go into sex work, is that its taboo, hence relative,  shortage of sex workers, hence high prices,  all evidence seems to show from old time punters, that you get way more value for your pound than 30 years ago, which would indicate to most reasonable people that their are now more providers of sex than previously , as in fact the job has indeed become more acceptable. i am happy to pay for sex, but am under no illusions that even at the modest prices i pay, 120 per hour, i am being taken for a ride.

[Blackpool Rock]

I remember as a fresh faced 19 year old in my 1st job and some fuddy duddy old bloke in his late 50's who was my boss was saying something about a drama that had been on TV the night before, as I recall there was a girl who had been paid for sex in it and he was saying how disgusting it was.

I thought it funny (and I was trying to wind him up) to quip that marriage was effectively only "legal prostitution", fuck me he almost had a heart attack; accused me of insulting his wife etc and threatened to sack me 

[RandomGuy99]

If it stops being taboo then would demand from men drop  Just putting it out there 

No, because punters will always enjoy the services of an SP.

I don't think punters see SPs because it is taboo.

[willie loman]

No, because punters will always enjoy the services of an SP.

the fact that it is taboo favours the women, there will always be men, even the majority who are happy to pay for it, my only quibble since the first day i punted , is the price.

[dunhill]

thanks for the reply but the main reason, not the only reason, girls dont go into sex work, is that its taboo, hence relative,  shortage of sex workers, hence high prices,  all evidence seems to show from old time punters, that you get way more value for your pound than 30 years ago, which would indicate to most reasonable people that their are now more providers of sex than previously , as in fact the job has indeed become more acceptable. i am happy to pay for sex, but am under no illusions that even at the modest prices i pay, 120 per hour, i am being taken for a ride.

Yet you willingly pay 120 per hour to take a ride/be ridden. 

Prices don't drop, they will only continue to rise. This is due to many other factors such as fewer sex workers from the EU working in the UK which is a direct result of Brexit. Additionally, the pound is not as attractive to earn by some as it once was.  Sex work being taboo is only part of the equation as to why prices are what they are.

But, I know we are not going to see eye to eye on this, so am happy to agree to disagree.

[willie loman]

Yet you willingly pay 120 per hour to take a ride/be ridden. 

Prices don't drop, they will only continue to rise. This is due to many other factors such as fewer sex workers from the EU working in the UK which is a direct result of Brexit. Additionally, the pound is not as attractive to earn by some as it once was.  Sex work being taboo is only part of the equation as to why prices are what they are.

But, I know we are not going to see eye to eye on this, so am happy to agree to disagree.

i totally agree, the taboo element is only part of the price, but my view unlike yours, is that its the major part of the price, 50 years ago the sexual needs of a capital city edinburgh, were catered for by one brothel, there are now around 300 sex workers in edinburgh on any given week factor in inflation, it was 3 £ a shag then, price is more or less the same, though way better service these days, so shortage of sex workers or plenitude makes diddly squat difference to the price.

[RandomGuy99]

the fact that it is taboo favours the women, there will always be men, even the majority who are happy to pay for it, my only quibble since the first day i punted , is the price.

As long as you can afford it and you enjoy yourself, then I don't have a problem with the price. If the price is £180 an hour, then I'll just do fewer bookings. In my experience, a low price is often an indicator of a bad experience.

Costs for everyone including SPs have risen and there is a certain amount of lost earnings from COVID19 still being made up for, so prices are high. In time I think they will fall back to pre-COVID levels.  Judging by the number of reviews being posted on here it appears that people are doing fewer bookings and there is a shift by some to massages and HE.

If there was no taboo, then I don't think there were would be a huge increase in the number of SPs. It is a difficult job. It does not appeal to everyone. The majority of the population could not survive one day of doing it.

[willie loman]

As long as you can afford it and you enjoy yourself, then I don't have a problem with the price. If the price is £180 an hour, then I'll just do fewer bookings. In my experience, a low price is often an indicator of a bad experience.

Costs for everyone including SPs have risen and there is a certain amount of lost earnings from COVID19 still being made up for, so prices are high. In time I think they will fall back to pre-COVID levels.  Judging by the number of reviews being posted on here it appears that people are doing fewer bookings and there is a shift by some to massages and HE.

If there was no taboo, then I don't think there were would be a huge increase in the number of SPs. It is a difficult job. It does not appeal to everyone. The majority of the population could not survive one day of doing it.

the whole sugar babes industry shows that the taboo has diminished, and indicates how many girls would do it, the job is actually not that difficult to do, though its very hard to be good at it, most girls get the hang of it after a booking or 2, and throw in the towel, because they actually dont make the money they thought was there. most british girls spend a good 10 years of their life having random sex with total strangers every week end, often never seeing the guy again,,go figure.

[Blackpool Rock]

the whole sugar babes industry shows that the taboo has diminished, and indicates how many girls would do it, the job is actually not that difficult to do, though its very hard to be good at it, most girls get the hang of it after a booking or 2, and throw in the towel, because they actually dont make the money they thought was there. most british girls spend a good 10 years of their life having random sex with total strangers every week end, often never seeing the guy again,,go figure.

But i've heard it said that a lot of the girls who do sugar babe meets don't class it as prostitution or paid for sex in any form 
IMO they are deluding themselves but that's the way many try to justify it in their own heads 

[RandomGuy99]

the whole sugar babes industry shows that the taboo has diminished, and indicates how many girls would do it, the job is actually not that difficult to do, though its very hard to be good at it, most girls get the hang of it after a booking or 2, and throw in the towel, because they actually dont make the money they thought was there. most british girls spend a good 10 years of their life having random sex with total strangers every week end, often never seeing the guy again,,go figure.

I don't know much about the sugar babes side of things, but I suspect it attracts a different type of person that a standard sexual services provider. Sugar daddy providers seem to be more into receiving gifts instead of cash with no guarantees that the daddy will actually get sex services in return. All too much of a mind fuck for me.

I prefer paying cash for already agreed sexual services and then walking away with no ongoing 'relationship'. It's a business transaction just like buying a tin of baked beans.

I don't think most UK girls spend 10 years having random sex.  I think a percentage maybe 35% have a lot of random sex.

I suggest you try working as a SP before you say it's easy. I really think it's not.

[dunhill]

But i've heard it said that a lot of the girls who do sugar babe meets don't class it as prostitution or paid for sex in any form 
IMO they are deluding themselves but that's the way many try to justify it in their own heads 

Agree.

The sugaring industry started in the US because, you know, escorting is pretty much illegal in most States, hence the exchange of gifts rather than money, and the idea that it is also about mentoring. But, at its core, sugaring is prostitution, but many, on both sides - sugar babies and sugar daddies alike - like to delude themself it is not. 

[JD1]

I think a lot of SPs delude themselves about what they are doing and tell little lies to themselves.

I’ve had several say things like “I’m really selective about who I see” to me when all their booking process involved was me sending them a text message asking if they were free at a particular time.

[willie loman]

I don't know much about the sugar babes side of things, but I suspect it attracts a different type of person that a standard sexual services provider. Sugar daddy providers seem to be more into receiving gifts instead of cash with no guarantees that the daddy will actually get sex services in return. All too much of a mind fuck for me.

I prefer paying cash for already agreed sexual services and then walking away with no ongoing 'relationship'. It's a business transaction just like buying a tin of baked beans.

I don't think most UK girls spend 10 years having random sex.  I think a percentage maybe 35% have a lot of random sex.

I suggest you try working as a SP before you say it's easy. I really think it's not.

when i say they spend 10 years having random sex, i am being generous, for many its a lifetime lifestyle, think of the phrases that the english and only the english have given the world, "walk of shame", one night stand, beer goggles, if the job was that difficult the girls would walk away pronto, the truth is too many people, including astonishingly punters believe that the average punter is grotestque looking etc, or has some bizarre sexual demands, the average punter is like your average male, nothing special in any sense, the truth is that the majority of punters have never actually met another punter, and the same is true for working girls, they rarely know that many other girls who do the job, but feel free to hold your views.

[sparkus]

I think views are gradually shifting. Feminism has drawn attention to “slut shaming” and the problems with that, and with the rise of things like OnlyFans sex work is slowly becoming more mainstream. I’m sure as time goes on it will become more and more accepted in society.

You actually get some women pretending to be sex workers because it's "edgy" now but they don't do meets

It depends on the country too, on the continent they're a bit less curtain twitching about it and have been for decades.

[RandomGuy99]

when i say they spend 10 years having random sex, i am being generous, for many its a lifetime lifestyle, think of the phrases that the english and only the english have given the world, "walk of shame", one night stand, beer goggles, if the job was that difficult the girls would walk away pronto, the truth is too many people, including astonishingly punters believe that the average punter is grotestque looking etc, or has some bizarre sexual demands, the average punter is like your average male, nothing special in any sense, the truth is that the majority of punters have never actually met another punter, and the same is true for working girls, they rarely know that many other girls who do the job, but feel free to hold your views.

Well I've met 5 other punters on bookings. You are correct that they looked like your average UK male. I still think that most people couldn't handle having a stream of random people turning up to have sex with them in various states of cleaniness and attitude.

[datwabbit]

I think there's a lot of ignorance of the law. It's seen as illegal.

Plus it's the same old types in the visual media. Top class sp's or junkies.

[Malvolio]

I suspect its taboo for blokes to punt because there's the immediate thought that single men are paying for sex because that's the only way they can get it.

Which is nearly true in my case - I pay for sex because that's the only way I can fuck fit women who are 20 years younger than me.

Clearly the vast majority of married punters aren't going to be advertising the fact they're banging other women for fear of the repercussions.