Does anyone know about this? A doctor in the house?

[winkywanky]

...unless of course, you are still in contact with her? 

[Hobbit]

This is the only Doctor I listen to.


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[workinallweek]

...unless of course, you are still in contact with her? 

no you have to respect retirement

[Hobbit]

no you have to respect retirement

Girls in this business don't retire. That's what they tell punters but quite a few still work and see regulars off the books.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Girls in this business don't retire. That's what they tell punters but quite a few still work and see regulars off the books.

You know Hobbitt was just musing the the other day where do all the lovelies we know go to?. shirley not all of them to Romulanmania?..

[Moresomes]

Surely as a Doctor you could make an educated guess?

Now now doc.
Don't take the piss.
He is now officially a doctor, ( cos it says so on his avatar) 

[scutty brown]

Doc Holliday is a bona fide doctor, and he's worth listening to.

Read your history books, he trained as a dentist, not a doctor

[millbush]

Read your history books, he trained as a dentist, not a doctor

 

[winkywanky]

Read your history books, he trained as a dentist, not a doctor

Fair point, but you should also know that dentists' early training is the same as for 'ordinary' doctors (I think), and also they're clever fuckers because I believe they're also trained anaesthetists?

As for the great man himself, as you may know he died of consumption, apparently it was 10 bottles of whisky a week.

At this point, I shall indeed get my coat   

[scutty brown]

Fair point, but you should also know that dentists' early training is the same as for 'ordinary' doctors (I think), and also they're clever fuckers because I believe they're also trained anaesthetists?

As for the great man himself, as you may know he died of consumption, apparently it was 10 bottles of whisky a week.

At this point, I shall indeed get my coat   

Early training for an American dentist was probably the same as for a blacksmith = learn how to use a hammer accurately

[winkywanky]

Can't believe you missed the consumption gag! Or maybe it just wasn't at all funny? 

[winkywanky]

Early training for an American dentist was probably the same as for a blacksmith = learn how to use a hammer accurately

We weren't a lot better, our barbers doubled as dentists until relatively recently (Victorian times). Hence the red stripey pole outside the shop (blood and bandages).

[daviemac]

We weren't a lot better, our barbers doubled as dentists until relatively recently (Victorian times). Hence the red stripey pole outside the shop (blood and bandages).

And sometimes bakers.   

[winkywanky]

Are you referring to a certain Mr. Todd? 

[daviemac]

Are you referring to a certain Mr. Todd? 

One of Greggs' ancestors I believe.   

[scutty brown]

Can't believe you missed the consumption gag! Or maybe it just wasn't at all funny? 

I got it, just wasn't going to admit it
And he DID have a female partner, just one: Big Nose Kate, looked like a TS



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[scutty brown]

We weren't a lot better, our barbers doubled as dentists until relatively recently (Victorian times). Hence the red stripey pole outside the shop (blood and bandages).

Dentists AND surgeons: barbers had the sharp knives
which of course ties back with blacksmiths - you'd need someone strong to hold the patient down while his leg or whatever was removed

[scutty brown]

One of Greggs' ancestors I believe.   

I'm never eating another Greggs sausage roll.........too much like a penis pasty

[Jonestown]

I got it, just wasn't going to admit it
And he DID have a female partner, just one: Big Nose Kate, looked like a TS



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Wasn’t he stepping out with Miss Kitty from Gunsmoke ?

[Doc Holliday]

F**k me  this has gone off at a tangent 

Early training for an American dentist was probably the same as for a blacksmith = learn how to use a hammer accurately

Actually whilst the history of dentistry is indeed somewhat gruesome, it tells us Doc Holliday was (unlike the majority) University qualified in the 1870s making him a dental pioneer. Dentistry for some classes was actually more advanced than you may think in the 1870s both in the US and the UK. External Link/Members Only.

He was an intelligent man and a highly promising career as a dentist was severely curtailed by TB and of course he instead achieved notoriety as a violent, gambling, gunslinger with a close relationship with a prostitute ('big nosed' Kate) who allegedly saved his life? 

His life history meant he was the perfect choice of username for me 

[Doc Holliday]

You can get hold of anti-virals now, which will help treat/lessen a cold if you catch it early enough.

Antivirals are not used for colds which are minor conditions and self limiting. They have some use with influenza but this is complex.

[Littlefoot]

He was an intelligent man and a highly promising career as a dentist was severely curtailed by TB and of course he instead achieved notoriety as a violent, gambling, gunslinger with a close relationship with a prostitute ('big nosed' Kate) who allegedly saved his life? 

His life history meant he was the perfect choice of username for me 

      

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Antivirals are not used for colds which are minor conditions and self limiting. They have some use with influenza but this is complex.

Pity they weren't around in 1918;!!! Grim reading but amazing that an event that killed so many around 50 Million is now all but forgotton!

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If they were they'd never have enough doses!..

[mr.bluesky]

I got it, just wasn't going to admit it
And he DID have a female partner, just one: Big Nose Kate, looked like a TS



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She was also said to be a prostitute  so even doc holliday punted 

[winkywanky]

One of Greggs' ancestors I believe.   

Unlikely, there's a LOT more meat in a Sweeney special, Gregg's could learn a lot from them  .

[winkywanky]

Antivirals are not used for colds which are minor conditions and self limiting. They have some use with influenza but this is complex.

  Thanks Doc, got my wires crossed  .

[Doc Holliday]

Pity they weren't around in 1918;!!! Grim reading but amazing that an event that killed so many around 50 Million is now all but forgotton!

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If they were they'd never have enough doses!..

At the risk of going further off tangent 

The world is waiting for this to happen again to see the outcome, because frankly nobody knows how effectively we will deal with it?  The mortality rate in 2018 was around 20% but such was the size of the world wide pandemic that it killed an estimated 50 million?

Most were still able to combat the virus and recover. All antivirals do is help the body's immune system to be more efficient at doing so and they are most effective if given in the early stages of infection. If administered too early to too many people the virus may mutate. As I said previously it is very complex.

Some predictions are that a repeat of 1918 may result in halving deaths world wide? The sheer scale of the pandemic would mean the health infrastructure would be overwhelmed. We all know the current state!! Even with antivirals in adequate supply and assuming they prove effective, huge numbers would still require intensive care which would simply not be available, effectively putting us in the same playing field as 2018.

Its actually better not to think about it too much.

Happy Christmas 

[Colston36]

Now that we drifted wildly but interestingly away into dentistry from my original question. When I was at University in 1954 those who couldn't pass the medical exams became dentists. They were seen as inferior. Now of course they make a lot more than doctors. "LIfe is not only queerer than we imagine; it is queerer than we can imagine."

[winkywanky]

Interesting...aye, and as we all know, there's nought as queer as punting!

Of course we're all assuming the Doc is a medical doc, but perhaps he's actually a dentist and you just pissed him right off! 

[scutty brown]

Nothing queer about my punting, you speak for yerself

[Jonestown]

Now that we drifted wildly but interestingly away into dentistry from my original question. When I was at University in 1954 those who couldn't pass the medical exams became dentists.

or if they did really badly, vets or pharmacists.

[freeze44]

You know Hobbitt was just musing the the other day where do all the lovelies we know go to?. shirley not all of them to Romulanmania?..

It must be a radical change to stop! Anything else must seem ordinary but maybe that's what they want? Who's shirley btw?? 

[webpunter]

+10

One thing to note with PrEP though, is to beware of SPs who flaunt the fact that they use it. This probably means that they have a cavalier attitude to bareback because they think that HIV/AIDS can't kill them. Well yes that's true (even without PrEP, retroviral drugs are very good these days), but it also means that they are a STI car crash waiting to happen, with all the other nasty shit that's going around including drug-resistant strains of gonorrhea.

Also worth noting that if they are that thick, they're probably buying the stuff from an unreliable source for peanuts, and their regime for taking the stuff is as flaky as hell.

PrEP is apparently costing the NHS a small fortune
Benders are queuing up to get it prescribed
They wanna get reamed but i don't see why tax payers should get reamed at the same time
Make em cough up me thinks

[Home Alone]

+10

PrEP is apparently costing the NHS a small fortune
Benders are queuing up to get it prescribed
They wanna get reamed but i don't see why tax payers should get reamed at the same time
Make em cough up me thinks

An interesting opinion, webpunter. Some may feel I'm going slightly off-topic by what I'm going to post - and I apologise if so - but the vehemence with which webpunter's opinion is expressed above had me wondering about the following

I've posted on here before that because of the birth defect I was born with, I have very poor circulation and that an SP who worked in a Parlour & was my first-ever Regular some 12 or 13 years ago suggested that she could get me some Kamagra for more satisfactory performance. I said, "Maybe; but let me get my blood pressure, etc, checked first."

So I went to my GP who gave me a satisfactory health check before going on to tell me that my poor circulation meant that she could prescribe me 4 Viagra a month on the NHS.

Which, over the best part of 15 years has saved me a small fortune paying for Kamagra, then Viagra. I don't know how much I've cost the NHS; but I do know that next Monday, I'll be submitting my umpteenth repeat prescription for 4 more Tadalafil - I had to 'graduate' from Viagra 3 or 4 years ago as it was no longer doing the trick  for me.

Obviously, I've also cost the NHS - us taxpayers - a substantial amount in that time to allow me and the girls I see in this socially disapproved-of pastime of ours some satisfaction in what we do together.

So, webpunter, if you disapprove as strongly as your post above makes it abundantly clear that you do of taxpayers' money being spent on the subject the OP raised, where do you stand on the cost of my - and I'm as sure as I can be that I'm not the only one on here in this situation - medication?

[Colston36]

At the risk of going further off tangent 

The world is waiting for this to happen again to see the outcome, because frankly nobody knows how effectively we will deal with it?  The mortality rate in 2018 was around 20% but such was the size of the world wide pandemic that it killed an estimated 50 million?

Most were still able to combat the virus and recover. All antivirals do is help the body's immune system to be more efficient at doing so and they are most effective if given in the early stages of infection. If administered too early to too many people the virus may mutate. As I said previously it is very complex.

Some predictions are that a repeat of 1918 may result in halving deaths world wide? The sheer scale of the pandemic would mean the health infrastructure would be overwhelmed. We all know the current state!! Even with antivirals in adequate supply and assuming they prove effective, huge numbers would still require intensive care which would simply not be available, effectively putting us in the same playing field as 2018.

Its actually better not to think about it too much.

Happy Christmas 

I assume, Doctor, you mean doubling deaths. Which reminds me of Palmerston's remark on his deathbed: "Die, dear doctor? That's the last thing I shall do."

[Doc Holliday]

I assume, Doctor, you mean doubling deaths. Which reminds me of Palmerston's remark on his deathbed: "Die, dear doctor? That's the last thing I shall do."

 

Apologies I meant halving the death rate compared to 2018. Given that the world population is massively increased from 2018 and assuming a pandemic affected the same 1/3 of the population as it did then, the total number of deaths would be far greater than the 50 million and would indeed be at least double.

[Jonestown]

Apologies I meant halving the death rate compared to 2018. Given that the world population is massively increased from 2018 and assuming a pandemic affected the same 1/3 of the population as it did then, the total number of deaths would be far greater than the 50 million and would indeed be at least double.

Don't you mean 1918, not 2018 ?

[winkywanky]

An interesting opinion, webpunter. Some may feel I'm going slightly off-topic by what I'm going to post - and I apologise if so - but the vehemence with which webpunter's opinion is expressed above had me wondering about the following

I've posted on here before that because of the birth defect I was born with, I have very poor circulation and that an SP who worked in a Parlour & was my first-ever Regular some 12 or 13 years ago suggested that she could get me some Kamagra for more satisfactory performance. I said, "Maybe; but let me get my blood pressure, etc, checked first."

So I went to my GP who gave me a satisfactory health check before going on to tell me that my poor circulation meant that she could prescribe me 4 Viagra a month on the NHS.

Which, over the best part of 15 years has saved me a small fortune paying for Kamagra, then Viagra. I don't know how much I've cost the NHS; but I do know that next Monday, I'll be submitting my umpteenth repeat prescription for 4 more Tadalafil - I had to 'graduate' from Viagra 3 or 4 years ago as it was no longer doing the trick  for me.

Obviously, I've also cost the NHS - us taxpayers - a substantial amount in that time to allow me and the girls I see in this socially disapproved-of pastime of ours some satisfaction in what we do together.

So, webpunter, if you disapprove as strongly as your post above makes it abundantly clear that you do of taxpayers' money being spent on the subject the OP raised, where do you stand on the cost of my - and I'm as sure as I can be that I'm not the only one on here in this situation - medication?

Perhaps a raspberry ripple like your self is little better than a bender in the world of webpunter. Or perhaps they're worse than you because they have a choice whether to be a bender or not?

As for PrEP of course many people will misuse it, in the sense that they might go around fucking with gay abandon (literally), thinking it will protect them from all ills. Of course it won't, there's plenty of other nasty stuff to be caught, and those few will spread it to others.

I suspect though in reality, it will save the NHS loadsamoney in the long run, a bit like the very many millions the NHS have spent over the years in trying to stop the people smoking, which has cost it many billions over the years in treatment for lung cancer and everything else it brings with it.

[winkywanky]

+10

PrEP is apparently costing the NHS a small fortune
Benders are queuing up to get it prescribed
They wanna get reamed but i don't see why tax payers should get reamed at the same time
Make em cough up me thinks

Grow up.

[Doc Holliday]

Now that we drifted wildly but interestingly away into dentistry from my original question. When I was at University in 1954 those who couldn't pass the medical exams became dentists. They were seen as inferior. Now of course they make a lot more than doctors. "LIfe is not only queerer than we imagine; it is queerer than we can imagine."

University in 54!! you really are an old git 

There was some truth in that, which continued up until the seventies, but by the 1980s Universities were broadly only accepting straight A students for Medics Dentists and Vets and which has continued until this day.

With regard to earning potential this is very complicated due to so many variables and goes even more off tangent 
My only comments would be that the 'mega high' earning days of NHS dentistry have gone due to contract changes. Also the GP NHS contracts have fared better and an element of the current GP shortage is that an increasing number are choosing to work part time. This still gives them a comfortable income, but is an attempt to reduce the workload stresses and improve the quality of their life.

[Doc Holliday]

Don't you mean 1918, not 2018 ?

Shit .... Dementia is bad this morning. Is there a doctor in the house 

[Jonestown]

So, webpunter, if you disapprove as strongly as your post above makes it abundantly clear that you do of taxpayers' money being spent on the subject the OP raised, where do you stand on the cost of my - and I'm as sure as I can be that I'm not the only one on here in this situation - medication?

The full cost of Prep is around £500 a month per patient, that's an awful lot for society to pay so people don't have to practice safe sex.

[winkywanky]

You need a pint of what Colston's drinking, he must be 25yrs older than yourself 

[winkywanky]

The full cost of Prep is around £500 a month per patient, that's an awful lot for society to pay so people don't have to practice safe sex.

I'm not dissing the argument, I'm dissing the attitude 

[winkywanky]

That is bloody expensive, and I agree, it's a lot of money to mitigate lifestyle risk to people who take it, and those who come into sexual contact with them.

[cotton]

The world is waiting for this to happen again to see the outcome, because frankly nobody knows how effectively we will deal with it?  The mortality rate in 2018 was around 20% but such was the size of the world wide pandemic that it killed an estimated 50 million?
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Its actually better not to think about it too much.

Happy Christmas 

It kindof depends whos side your on in the battle of interests between mankind and the health of the planet , for some people mother nature naturally correcting human numbers by way of a global pandemic or whatnot would be a step in the right direction, arguably a good thing before mankind in its ever increasing numbers completely fucks the planet up beyond possible redemption.
Surely some disease to curb mankinds numbers would be a good thing.
Happy christmas y'all 

[webpunter]

My take on the thread is a straight-forward question by OP
Wanting to get some info
Which this fine & mightily fun platform is all about
Threads develop & often head off in different directions

A new medicine which is designed to be [mainly] preventative taken post whatever has happened, is now being used [by some] instead of other methods of practising safe sex
Like it is some magic wand
The NHS faces a dilemma as the cost of the medication is lower than treatment of HIV over a lifetime
As mentioned above there are side effects & reducing the chances of catching HIV at the same time brings about increased risks of a whole load of other nasties
If that's what people wanna do its up to them - education is key IMO
My point is that why should tax payers foot the bill - if people want it let them buy rather than letting the NHS pick up the tab - for a medicine being used in a recreational way

I wonder how many [sane] UKP'ers would contemplate taking it & then go out on a BB hookering spree
As for Awank burds referencing this as a marketing tool [which i wasn't aware of] is IMO a train wreck in the making

Your situation is entirely different
I'm not sure how you think my comment relates to you
You can't choose what you were born with
Top marks for the SP making the suggestion
There will be a whole host of other problems me thinks which come about by having poor circulation
So taking Viagra / Tadafil on an NHS prescription benefits you in various ways, including when it comes to being able to perform on our favourite but disapproved of sport

An interesting opinion, webpunter. Some may feel I'm going slightly off-topic by what I'm going to post - and I apologise if so - but the vehemence with which webpunter's opinion is expressed above had me wondering about the following

I've posted on here before that because of the birth defect I was born with, I have very poor circulation and that an SP who worked in a Parlour & was my first-ever Regular some 12 or 13 years ago suggested that she could get me some Kamagra for more satisfactory performance. I said, "Maybe; but let me get my blood pressure, etc, checked first."

So I went to my GP who gave me a satisfactory health check before going on to tell me that my poor circulation meant that she could prescribe me 4 Viagra a month on the NHS.

Which, over the best part of 15 years has saved me a small fortune paying for Kamagra, then Viagra. I don't know how much I've cost the NHS; but I do know that next Monday, I'll be submitting my umpteenth repeat prescription for 4 more Tadalafil - I had to 'graduate' from Viagra 3 or 4 years ago as it was no longer doing the trick  for me.

Obviously, I've also cost the NHS - us taxpayers - a substantial amount in that time to allow me and the girls I see in this socially disapproved-of pastime of ours some satisfaction in what we do together.

So, webpunter, if you disapprove as strongly as your post above makes it abundantly clear that you do of taxpayers' money being spent on the subject the OP raised, where do you stand on the cost of my - and I'm as sure as I can be that I'm not the only one on here in this situation - medication?

[winkywanky]

It kindof depends whos side your on in the battle of interests between mankind and the health of the planet , for some people mother nature naturally correcting human numbers by way of a global pandemic or whatnot would be a step in the right direction, arguably a good thing before mankind in its ever increasing numbers completely fucks the planet up beyond possible redemption.
Surely some disease to curb mankinds numbers would be a good thing.
Happy christmas y'all 

Fair point.

In 50s Sci-Fi we were going to colonise new planets to spread humanity far and wide, there were no physical limits to our species.

We're now realising that we have to live within our physical-space means, very reluctantly it has to be said, and while we're at it we need to try and keep the planet habitable.

It's quite ironic that the centrally-controlled Chinese have 'engineered' their population to try and mitigate astronomical population increase, but now seem intent on killing their habitat (and that of the world) by building a new coal-fired power station every week (or however many it is).

The end game of the earth will be a fight for space and resources I should imagine...Lebensraum, one might call it  .

In the meantime though, as they say on that BBC1 Saturday night favourite: KEEEEEEP FUCKING!  (But without procreating  ).

[Doc Holliday]

In relation to future long term savings this is debatable?

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If you want to know what individual drugs cost the NHS Primary Care see here External Link/Members Only  Page 61 for ED meds.

For PrEP see here External Link/Members Only

However in terms of cost of drugs it seems that PrEP is at a similar stage as ED meds were in terms of patents. A cost of £400 a month can be reduced to tens of pounds a month by using non licensed generic versions.

The website Goldfinch linked to early on is set up to assist/safeguard  people wishing to buy online. External Link/Members Only

[webpunter]

I was being supportive posting +10
In agreement with you

There's me trying to work out why i should grow up
Its like i hit a raw nerve with my post
With use of the b word

Had a quick flick through your reviews to perhaps shed some light on this
As if by magic the number 10 appears again [assuming i can count]
The number of TS reviews you have posted
So my post hits just a little closer to home than for most UKP'ers
Whatever floats your boat is fine by me
TS is on my bucket list - post rather than pre
And one where it isn't obvious - so a thai or brazilian.  IE not looking like some bloke dressed up on a stag do
An element of doubt makes things fine by me
Have been doing some research to scratch this itch

Grow up.