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Author Topic: Ex NZ WG changes mind re: legalization as pimps & some brothels are bad  (Read 477 times)

JV547845

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Interesting experience but anecdotal, and a deliberate sob story.  External Link/Members Only But given the pro-legalisation arguments heard in Britain (that the two girls working from the same premises rule make it a brothel, making the safest working practise illegal).

My thoughts are that those all in deals from girls who aren't up for it sound shit for everyone.  And why should this affect Indies? 

If it's all legal then isn't the market's answer to shit brothels, to open up better brothels?  Or does this prove that a large segment of the NZ market are happy to patronise shit brothels - are that many of us really so dumb as to be driven solely by a cheap price, and are only looking for a shag or blow job at the least possible cost, irrespective of quality, or what the WG wants to do?

If the girl themselves aren't up for everything in an all in deal, or can't determine what goes and what they'll consent to in an all in deal, or can't say No for fear of losing their job, then that's getting on for rape.

Offline Taggart

You didnt mention the WG was talking to Julie Bindel. Enough said......

JV547845

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You didnt mention the WG was talking to Julie Bindel. Enough said......

Oh yeah well spotted.  No wonder it was so one sided if someone that hysterical was behind it.

Offline peter purves

You didnt mention the WG was talking to Julie Bindel. Enough said......

Still found the piece of some interest.

You are correct in your assumption: The book launch

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Autopunter

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Yeah, I read that article a rolled my eyes when I saw Bindel up there. The WG in question seems a bit volatile IMO, but then she did start out on the streets. Hardly the glamourous end of the business. Maybe these days if she'd started out in porn with a bunch of bored techies shouting directions she'd be less bitter and more blasé.

JV547845

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Anyone who's forced to be a WG by poverty is going to have a shit time.  But the answer is to reduce poverty not ban punting.

Offline Marmalade

Bindel hadn't back-checked the most basic info she was given. The story is about the girl working in a street in Auckland but the whole article is about Wellington.

JV547845

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Oh yes.  I don't know employment law in NZ, but in the UK if brothels were legal (indies are legal), then all these types of complaints would come under a worker's rights. 

The Employer (brothels and pimps) would need to provide job descriptions, inductions, training, condoms and other PPE - these sex-employers will have to risk assess everything they're asking employed WGs to do.  As well as give them maternity leave, pay their NI and pay their income tax.  I would hope they're getting over the minimum wage already.  They'll get statutory rights, max working hours, paid leave, a fair right not to get fired unreasonably etc. and all that other stuff we workers take for granted.  Legal pimpparlours will have a legal duty of care to their employees.

I don't know how the mentally large places in Europe like Artemis manage all this, but any sensible UK legal employer of sexworkers would have to think very carefully about: "Right, what the hell do I do if one of my customers tries to rape one of my employees, and where the hell do I stand legally?"

Like Uber drivers, if you can't create your own products or negotiate your own prices, you should be an employee not a contractor.  WGs that parlours can force to do the kind of awful shit that's in that article, should be employees, not contractors.

A lot of WGs will have to come off benefits too then, as once they have an employment contract they're our fellow respectably employed citizens now (as they should be).

So if employment law is enforced on a legal sex industry, these extra costs should force pimpparlours out of the market compared to indies.  Sergie and some EE girls will simply move to the black market of course - if EE gangmasters are willing to have chinese cockle pickers drown on them, they're not going to think twice about using working girls in breach of UK employment law.