Advice finding a girl

[paulpabmcfc]

Looking for a meet this weekend 15 or 30min with a girl with good feedback as I am new to this and a bit paranoid of meeting girls with no feedback or not verified. Looking for the girl to be aged 18-25 and based in Manchester.
Thanks for your help

[livlad]

There's a guy on here called cueball he's great at helping newbies

[paulpabmcfc]

Thanks

[scutty brown]

here's one of Cueball's Manchester based cuties

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[goldwing1]

here's one of Cueball's Manchester based cuties

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I`m a bit confused here, says £110 incall.
Do I pay her or does she pay me

[goldwing1]

What I would do is go on adultwork, draw up a shortlist, have a look at the feedbacks on there, then enter the profile name on here to see if there are any reviews or comments.

As a general guideline, the vast majority that work in the city centre will be good for the simple reason that they will either be in a hotel or punting flat and these cost money and they can`t afford bad reviews.

[cueball]

As a general guideline, the vast majority that work in the city centre will be good for the simple reason that they will either be in a hotel or punting flat and these cost money and they can`t afford bad reviews.

When you say reviews..... do you mean reviews on here or adultwork field reports/feedback?

Because we all know there's a huge difference

[goldwing1]

When you say reviews..... do you mean reviews on here or adultwork field reports/feedback?

Because we all know there's a huge difference

I know there`s a  huge difference, even on this site a WG can have all sorts of mixed reviews, but at least you can read them and form your own opinion.

Also, which would you consider carries more weight, a WG with a dozen mixed reviews on here, or a 100 positives on adultwork

[cueball]

Also, which would you consider carries more weight, a WG with a dozen mixed reviews on here, or a 100 positives on adultwork

I'm surprised you feel the need to ask.

Here carries more weight every single time.

Aw fb is only any good to check if she's real or fake, ie cross checking shared lasses etc.

The fb wording is completely irrelevant and there's too much scope for revenge fb to make the aw system believable.

Ofcourse, the more anybody puts in on here, the more they are trusted. The less they put in, the less they are trusted.

I'd have thought you'd have learnt that by now.

[NigelF]

What I would do is go on adultwork, draw up a shortlist, have a look at the feedbacks on there, then enter the profile name on here to see if there are any reviews or comments.

As a general guideline, the vast majority that work in the city centre will be good for the simple reason that they will either be in a hotel or punting flat and these cost money and they can`t afford bad reviews.

The first paragraph is good advice.

The second paragraph is naive and wishful thinking. Just because a girl has paid a lot for her accommodation does not mean she provides a good service. They'll happily pay a lot for their accommodation due to the prime location, good transport links (although often poor parking) and crucially the higher number of potential clients (or at least perceived higher number). Thus, they'll hopefully (from their POV) make more money than working from cheaper premises elsewhere (regardless of what their reviews are like).

The threat of a bad review (wherever) is not what drives good SPs (it's a very small motivator). Neither does it deter bad SPs. Reviews (especially AW ones which can be easily countered with a false accusation) do not have that much of an impact on how many clients a girl gets. This girl is a great example: External Link/Members Only

She was touring Manchester city centre very recently (in a hotel I think she said on her profile) and she has fuckloads of negatives on here. Time and time again, even UKP members have been to see her. Imagine how many people who don't know about UKP go to see her and it's not hard - just look at her AW feedback. She even has a fairly high number of negative comments and negative feedback (mostly disputed) on AW but people ignore them and they're drowned out by the positives.

To be fair though, I do think the city centre is generally rather good and it probably is better than other areas. Perhaps that's because the WG's are more commercially minded (and they're smart enough to focus on a good location and providing good service to get easy repeat business). It's by no means a guarantee they're good though. From just my reviews, there are a number of girls who aren't good.

Also, which would you consider carries more weight, a WG with a dozen mixed reviews on here, or a 100 positives on adultwork

I totally agree with Cueball.

If you actually look, mixed reviews are quite rare. Once you discount neutrals/negatives for timewasting/shit comms they're definitely rare. Once you actually read the reviews, then truly mixed reviews are extremely rare as often the devil is in the detail and while one guy may say positive and another neutral, if you read their reviews - they still say almost the same thing. Slim tatooed slut is a good example of genuinely mixed reviews (interestingly she also works from the city centre - which again doesn't support your previous point) but other than her, there really isn't many examples at all. There are a couple but out of the many hundreds of escorts, not many at all.

I get the impression you've had a number of positive experiences with girls negatively reviewed on here (and perhaps vice versa), if so, get the reviews up (or at least start by naming them here). Stick to your guns, be accurate, be detailed and tell us what you were looking for/your expectations. That way we'll understand you and you'll not get any aggro for a simple difference in taste or opinion. Basically, back up the points you've made with your evidence (reviews).

I fully appreciate this post is both too long and actually isn't well articulated either! Nonetheless, I am right and can provide more evidence if needed.

[goldwing1]

The first paragraph is good advice.

The second paragraph is naive and wishful thinking. Just because a girl has paid a lot for her accommodation does not mean she provides a good service. They'll happily pay a lot for their accommodation due to the prime location, good transport links (although often poor parking) and crucially the higher number of potential clients (or at least perceived higher number). Thus, they'll hopefully (from their POV) make more money than working from cheaper premises elsewhere (regardless of what their reviews are like).

The threat of a bad review (wherever) is not what drives good SPs (it's a very small motivator). Neither does it deter bad SPs. Reviews (especially AW ones which can be easily countered with a false accusation) do not have that much of an impact on how many clients a girl gets. This girl is a great example: External Link/Members Only

She was touring Manchester city centre very recently (in a hotel I think she said on her profile) and she has fuckloads of negatives on here. Time and time again, even UKP members have been to see her. Imagine how many people who don't know about UKP go to see her and it's not hard - just look at her AW feedback. She even has a fairly high number of negative comments and negative feedback (mostly disputed) on AW but people ignore them and they're drowned out by the positives.

To be fair though, I do think the city centre is generally rather good and it probably is better than other areas. Perhaps that's because the WG's are more commercially minded (and they're smart enough to focus on a good location and providing good service to get easy repeat business). It's by no means a guarantee they're good though. From just my reviews, there are a number of girls who aren't good.

I totally agree with Cueball.

If you actually look, mixed reviews are quite rare. Once you discount neutrals/negatives for timewasting/shit comms they're definitely rare. Once you actually read the reviews, then truly mixed reviews are extremely rare as often the devil is in the detail and while one guy may say positive and another neutral, if you read their reviews - they still say almost the same thing. Slim tatooed slut is a good example of genuinely mixed reviews (interestingly she also works from the city centre - which again doesn't support your previous point) but other than her, there really isn't many examples at all. There are a couple but out of the many hundreds of escorts, not many at all.

I get the impression you've had a number of positive experiences with girls negatively reviewed on here (and perhaps vice versa), if so, get the reviews up (or at least start by naming them here). Stick to your guns, be accurate, be detailed and tell us what you were looking for/your expectations. That way we'll understand you and you'll not get any aggro for a simple difference in taste or opinion. Basically, back up the points you've made with your evidence (reviews).

I fully appreciate this post is both too long and actually isn't well articulated either! Nonetheless, I am right and can provide more evidence if needed.

Wouldn`t it be fair to say that if a city centre WG who has probably paid a 4 figure sum up front to rent a punting flat would do her best to provide a top class service in order to get good feedback.

They know that it`s good feedback that drives their bookings.
Also, a few WG`s have said they look at a potential clients feedbacks before accepting a booking, it works both ways.

At the end of the day, you are still taking a bit of a gamble as to wether they are any good or not, WG`s likeeveryone else can have a bad day and not put the effort in as they normally would.

As the original question was from a newbie seeking advice, maybe we should have given him some bedtime reading reading.
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[NigelF]

Wouldn`t it be fair to say that if a city centre WG who has probably paid a 4 figure sum up front to rent a punting flat would do her best to provide a top class service in order to get good feedback.

Yes but only if they're a good SP in the first place. It's more accurate to say that, because they paid a lot, they will be desperate to cover their costs and then make a profit. How they go about it depends on them. The bad SPs will just upload misleading pics, lie on their profile, say yes to everything, take double-bookings, skip showers, see as many people as possible etc.

I would mostly agree with your point if it's solely about those renting a flat for the medium-long term though. Most girls in the city centre however only stay in places that give them high flexibility such as hotels and serviced apartments. The number who pay for flats for more than a few days/a week or so is very low. The ones who do have a flat and will need to stay there for a while do have an interest in seeing repeat business. However, a good example of a girl in this situation is English Harriet and she tries to take her bookings on the phone and doesn't bother with AW much at all.

Another example of a crap girl who was in the city centre (just last month) is Princess Asia (External Link/Members Only). She clearly doesn't give a shit and it's very likely she still made a decent amount of money (although she clearly does rely on touring and not staying in one place for too long).

They know that it`s good feedback that drives their bookings.
Also, a few WG`s have said they look at a potential clients feedbacks before accepting a booking, it works both ways.

It's really not. What drives bookings is good pictures, good profile (with extensive likes list), decent age and good comms. A lot of girls don't have much AW feedback but they have seen lots of clients. The vast vast majority of bookings do not result in AW feedback. Most bookings are made purely on the phone (that's how many punters like to roll). Indeed some girls just prefer just to take phone bookings such as English Harriet or Welsh Tattoo Sophie. Many others prefer it but are less rigid about it. Also, new profiles (good ones) get absolutely loads of inquiries as some punters like "fresh meat" and by definition those profiles will have no or very little feedback.

Most clients become wary of AW feedback once they get "bitten" by a shit SP with loads of it. It doesn't take long for that to happen either, especially if you punt a lot.

Many girls do look at client feedback but that's because it's more likely to be accurate than it is the other way round. The AW feedback system is stacked in the escorts' favour (although perhaps not as much as some think). It's also one of the only things they have to go on (except SAAFE, Ugly Mugs etc).

I still wonder why you trust AW feedback so much and not regard UKP reviews much more than them?

At the end of the day, you are still taking a bit of a gamble as to wether they are any good or not, WG`s likeeveryone else can have a bad day and not put the effort in as they normally would.

As the original question was from a newbie seeking advice, maybe we should have given him some bedtime reading reading.
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You're right, it's definitely still a gamble. However a "bad day" is not an excuse. It's particularly no excuse for not putting effort in - most people are not so lazy (particularly those earning as much as escorts). Effort should always be high, even if the performance/end result isn't quite top notch. If they're having a bad day then they shouldn't turn up to work (or at least cancel subsequent bookings when they realise it's a bad day). Also, that flies in the face of your argument that they care about feedback so much. If they did then they'd know that they're not going to be at their best today so run the risk of getting bad feedback. In my job (and many others) if I don't perform to the required high standard then I'm at risk of losing my job. Also, if clients/customers are adversely affected they have plenty of avenues for recompense (including financial). Small mistakes can be acceptable as long as the overall outcome isn't poor. The main problem though is that escorts seem to have a lot of bad days - a lot more than everyone else.

[cueball]

I still wonder why you trust AW feedback so much and not regard UKP reviews much more than them?

Yes, I too wonder that about our goldwing...

The cynical swine in me thinks he might be just a prossie puppet mouthpiece

But

The cuddly loving uncle in me  thinks this is the first place he's been in the paid sex industry where he's not had smoke blown up his arse to secure another booking..

Either way.... he seems to have trouble accepting he's not thinking like a lot of us... ofcourse, he knows best and that won't change....

No fool like an old fool.... they say

[goldwing1]

Yes, I too wonder that about our goldwing...

The cynical swine in me thinks he might be just a prossie puppet mouthpiece

But

The cuddly loving uncle in me  thinks this is the first place he's been in the paid sex industry where he's not had smoke blown up his arse to secure another booking..

Either way.... he seems to have trouble accepting he's not thinking like a lot of us... ofcourse, he knows best and that won't change....

No fool like an old fool.... they say

Lets make one thing clear, i`m not a  prossie puppet mouthpiece, no one tells me what to write, to me, leaving feedback on adultwork is no diferrent to leaving feedback on ebay.


A lot of the reviewers on here mention a WG`s adultwork feedbacks ( good or bad ).
So why do they do that if, in your opinion it can`t be trusted.

A few times i`ve had an excellent  punt with someone but has shit reviews on here, so how does that one work? 

No matter what you think about feedback wether  it`s adultwork or on here, it`s just a guide, not a guarantee .

[goldwing1]

Yes but only if they're a good SP in the first place. It's more accurate to say that, because they paid a lot, they will be desperate to cover their costs and then make a profit. How they go about it depends on them. The bad SPs will just upload misleading pics, lie on their profile, say yes to everything, take double-bookings, skip showers, see as many people as possible etc.

I would mostly agree with your point if it's solely about those renting a flat for the medium-long term though. Most girls in the city centre however only stay in places that give them high flexibility such as hotels and serviced apartments. The number who pay for flats for more than a few days/a week or so is very low. The ones who do have a flat and will need to stay there for a while do have an interest in seeing repeat business. However, a good example of a girl in this situation is English Harriet and she tries to take her bookings on the phone and doesn't bother with AW much at all.

Another example of a crap girl who was in the city centre (just last month) is Princess Asia (External Link/Members Only). She clearly doesn't give a shit and it's very likely she still made a decent amount of money (although she clearly does rely on touring and not staying in one place for too long).

It's really not. What drives bookings is good pictures, good profile (with extensive likes list), decent age and good comms. A lot of girls don't have much AW feedback but they have seen lots of clients. The vast vast majority of bookings do not result in AW feedback. Most bookings are made purely on the phone (that's how many punters like to roll). Indeed some girls just prefer just to take phone bookings such as English Harriet or Welsh Tattoo Sophie. Many others prefer it but are less rigid about it. Also, new profiles (good ones) get absolutely loads of inquiries as some punters like "fresh meat" and by definition those profiles will have no or very little feedback.

Most clients become wary of AW feedback once they get "bitten" by a shit SP with loads of it. It doesn't take long for that to happen either, especially if you punt a lot.

Many girls do look at client feedback but that's because it's more likely to be accurate than it is the other way round. The AW feedback system is stacked in the escorts' favour (although perhaps not as much as some think). It's also one of the only things they have to go on (except SAAFE, Ugly Mugs etc).

I still wonder why you trust AW feedback so much and not regard UKP reviews much more than them?

You're right, it's definitely still a gamble. However a "bad day" is not an excuse. It's particularly no excuse for not putting effort in - most people are not so lazy (particularly those earning as much as escorts). Effort should always be high, even if the performance/end result isn't quite top notch. If they're having a bad day then they shouldn't turn up to work (or at least cancel subsequent bookings when they realise it's a bad day). Also, that flies in the face of your argument that they care about feedback so much. If they did then they'd know that they're not going to be at their best today so run the risk of getting bad feedback. In my job (and many others) if I don't perform to the required high standard then I'm at risk of losing my job. Also, if clients/customers are adversely affected they have plenty of avenues for recompense (including financial). Small mistakes can be acceptable as long as the overall outcome isn't poor. The main problem though is that escorts seem to have a lot of bad days - a lot more than everyone else.

To me, booking a WG is no diferrent to spending money on something else.
It`s my hard earned money and I want to make sure that i`m not going to waste it.
So if I see a profile I like, i`ll so a bit of searching around, look at the reviews on here / adultwork, and search their profile name, phone number and image to see what it throws up, and i`ve never had a shit punt yet.

I`ve been punting and going to swingers clubs for around 15 years now, and i`ve never really had a bad time, a few neutrals, I must have developed a bit of a gut instinct over the years

[cueball]

I`ve been punting and going to swingers clubs for around 15 years now, and i`ve never really had a bad time, a few neutrals, I must have developed a bit of a gut instinct over the years

Really 

15 years of punting and never had a bad one 

It's not gut instinct, it's easily pleased.

That post above tells me all I need to know about you goldy.

I suspect you'll put virtually nothing into ukp (not that it will have particular value) while you're here.

You stick to your arse kissing aw feedback, field reports and incredible gut instinct..... let the rest of us get on with sharing the real truth on here.

Never had a bad one in 15 years.... laughably embarrassing 

No fool like an old fool eh 

[NigelF]

A lot of the reviewers on here mention a WG`s adultwork feedbacks ( good or bad ).
So why do they do that if, in your opinion it can`t be trusted.

A lot of the time they mention it to point out how untrustworthy even high numbers of AW feedback is! Nonetheless, AW feedback is a factor (especially since we often don't have much to go on) it's just a very small one that can't be trusted. UKP reviews can be trusted a lot more (particularly if the reviewer comes across as balanced and preferably somewhat established). Most girls with high AW feedback are good (and better than those with few/none) but many still aren't. Also, on AW, trustworthy feedback and a load of guff is virtually indistinguishable, even if you manage to identify some vaguely "trustworthy" punter on AW.

A few times i`ve had an excellent  punt with someone but has shit reviews on here, so how does that one work? 

Who?

No matter what you think about feedback wether  it`s adultwork or on here, it`s just a guide, not a guarantee .

Of course, no one said otherwise. Although we are saying UKP feedback is a better guide than AW.

To me, booking a WG is no diferrent to spending money on something else.
It`s my hard earned money and I want to make sure that i`m not going to waste it.
So if I see a profile I like, i`ll so a bit of searching around, look at the reviews on here / adultwork, and search their profile name, phone number and image to see what it throws up, and i`ve never had a shit punt yet.

I do all that. I also evaluate their comms via email or text and ideally try to speak to them on the phone as well. Even the punts that I've had where there's been no reviews on here, there is often positive feedback (only positive) on AW and sometimes quite a lot of it. Yet still, I've had plenty of bad punts (as well as plenty of good ones). Bear in mind that a good number are "just" for no-shows/timewasters. I seriously can't believe you've never had one of those, surely that's a bad punt too (even though it's just time wasted).

i`ve never had a shit punt yet.

I`ve been punting and going to swingers clubs for around 15 years now, and i`ve never really had a bad time, a few neutrals, I must have developed a bit of a gut instinct over the years

This just makes me think you're very easy to please or just not very fussy in the services you look for/require. You certainly must be easily pleased in the looks department, even if you always pay for their PG first. This is exactly the reason why a couple of posts above I asked to you to post reviews where you show what you were looking for and what your expectations are - that way punters can see if they match you or you're being more generous than they'd be. As it stands, you are in a ridiculous minority on this forum. How many punts have you had in total (very rough figure/estimation)? If there's anyone out there reading this who's had more than a couple of punts please chime in if you've never had a bad experience.

It's also disappointing to not see any of those neutral experiences up on here although giving you the benefit of the doubt, I presume they're all very old (or not punts/related to swinging)?

[tincrusher]

i cant help but my two pennies in! (sorry if this goes on and on)

my first ever! Punt/review External Link/Members Only

what a joke! and classic WG miss leading at what point does curvy mean 20+ !! but look at her reviews, i still shudder to this day but what i don't like the next might! i have quickly learned this while being a member on here. i try and sifft out the members who i think have similar tastes as mine and also read, in between the lines, what you might not like i might put to the top of my list!

IMHO is the fluffiness BS of a punter so not to get a negative back from the WG on AW!

and one valuable lesson, (above link proven) if a profile does take my fancy but the pictures look misleading, i ask for up to date/face pic if that's a no. i move on. yes there is still flaws in this, but i have researched and what i think are up to date pics.

sorry if this ended up a ramble, but this thread took me back to a time i thought i long forgot 

Tin 

[goldwing1]

Really 

15 years of punting and never had a bad one 

It's not gut instinct, it's easily pleased.

That post above tells me all I need to know about you goldy.

I suspect you'll put virtually nothing into ukp (not that it will have particular value) while you're here.

You stick to your arse kissing aw feedback, field reports and incredible gut instinct..... let the rest of us get on with sharing the real truth on here.

Never had a bad one in 15 years.... laughably embarrassing 

No fool like an old fool eh 

If I want to put feedback on adultwork, that`s my choice, it`s wrong to slag people off who do.
Yes, i`ve never had a really bad punt in 15 years, why would I come on here and tell lies?

[cueball]

If I want to put feedback on adultwork, that`s my choice, it`s wrong to slag people off who do.
Yes, i`ve never had a really bad punt in 15 years, why would I come on here and tell lies?

You just don't get it do you 

You'll never get it neither.... your head is so far up your arse you've got two sets of teeth.

Never mind "why would I come on here and tell lies"

I wonder why you come on here at all  it's certainly not to put anything useful in is it!

No fool like an old fool   

[amanhasnoname]

In comparison to you guys I’m relatively new to this hobby but it doesn’t take a genius to work out that aw feedback is only a very rough guide and can’t always (if ever) be trusted, where as this site is designed for us to tell the truth about what goes on. I’m sure we’d all appreciate your experience Goldwing if you shared it on here in reviews and not just on aw. It’s hard for people to trust your advice when it’s not obviously backed up.

[marlboro20]

I've always thought this was speak easy forum... now I'm not so sure. Goldwings comments are Goldwing opinions... they don't need to be analysed and pulled apart in minute detail by those who think they're legends in their own underpants. Their views and opinions should never take precedence just because they shout loudest... or post smart Alec comments out of their dusty joke books. It's about time they were told to wind their neck in.
Goldwing... I can beat you... not had a bad punt either side of the Pennines in 20 years. It's down to research... AW and UKP help but they're only opinions. OP... when you fancy booking a girl talk to her on the phone and you'll get an insight.(Personally I don't like strong regional accents)

[cueball]

I've always thought this was speak easy forum... now I'm not so sure. Goldwings comments are Goldwing opinions... they don't need to be analysed and pulled apart in minute detail by those who think they're legends in their own underpants. Their views and opinions should never take precedence just because they shout loudest... or post smart Alec comments out of their dusty joke books. It's about time they were told to wind their neck in.

You still got the hump fags?

You'd be better off getting to the point rather than going all round the houses.

[marlboro20]

Stay on topic Piggy, there's a good fellow

[cueball]

they don't need to be analysed and pulled apart in minute detail by those who think they're legends in their own underpants. Their views and opinions should never take precedence just because they shout loudest... or post smart Alec comments out of their dusty joke books. It's about time they were told to wind their neck in.

Stay on topic Piggy, there's a good fellow

Which topic would that be fags? 

[marlboro20]

You'll find it on the page header Piggy.
Just another footnote... the assumption you've been labouring under for so long that my handle comes from Marlboro cigarettes is incorrect. It's from The Italian clothing brand Marlboro Classics which was my brand of choice 35 years back.

[cueball]

Just another footnote... the assumption you've been labouring under for so long that my handle comes from Marlboro cigarettes is incorrect. It's from The Italian clothing brand Marlboro Classics which was my brand of choice 35 years back.

Aaahh, right.... but fags fits better with the 20 though... marlboro 20.. 20 fags.... it's just right, don't you agree 

[marlboro20]

It's your opinion and you're entitled to it... I'd defend your freedom of speech to the end... just as I'd defend Goldwings. Burke once said: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of misrepresentation is that good men should do fuck all and say nothing.”
(I do smoke... rollies... Cutters Choice + Rizlas if you're interested)

[cueball]

(I do smoke... rollies... Cutters Choice + Rizlas if you're interested)

Cutters choice? Isn't that an harsh smook?..... I hope you use filters

Also.... do you roll by hand or machine?

Oh, and did Burke really swear in his pearl of wisdom?

 

[marlboro20]

LOL, I'm outa this thread

[OakTree]

Goldwing... I can beat you... not had a bad punt either side of the Pennines in 20 years. It's down to research... AW and UKP help but they're only opinions. OP... when you fancy booking a girl talk to her on the phone and you'll get an insight.(Personally I don't like strong regional accents)

Then why are you on here? In-fact I’m wondering now if I need to be if all I had to do is weed out any girl with a regional accent... It’s farcical. I imagine the truth be known is you’ve got good at convincing yourself it could of been worse in some fashion or another and you take solace in that.

I’d class myself as tolerant and easy going and am particular in my choice but I’ve had duff ones along the way. That’s why it’s called punting.

[goldwing1]

I've always thought this was speak easy forum... now I'm not so sure. Goldwings comments are Goldwing opinions... they don't need to be analysed and pulled apart in minute detail by those who think they're legends in their own underpants. Their views and opinions should never take precedence just because they shout loudest... or post smart Alec comments out of their dusty joke books. It's about time they were told to wind their neck in.
Goldwing... I can beat you... not had a bad punt either side of the Pennines in 20 years. It's down to research... AW and UKP help but they're only opinions. OP... when you fancy booking a girl talk to her on the phone and you'll get an insight.(Personally I don't like strong regional accents)

I can agree with what you say, there are people on here who just want to take the piss out of you, or  criticize your reviews, opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

I`ve seen comments / questions from people who are either new to this site or new to punting, or both and some people just give them a hard time instead of offering advice and there`s nothing more off putting than that.

[goldwing1]

In comparison to you guys I’m relatively new to this hobby but it doesn’t take a genius to work out that aw feedback is only a very rough guide and can’t always (if ever) be trusted, where as this site is designed for us to tell the truth about what goes on. I’m sure we’d all appreciate your experience Goldwing if you shared it on here in reviews and not just on aw. It’s hard for people to trust your advice when it’s not obviously backed up.

When I first joined I did put a couple of reviews up and just received a load of piss taking instead of help and advice on how a review should be, so what`s the point?

[marlboro20]

Then why are you on here? In-fact I’m wondering now if I need to be if all I had to do is weed out any girl with a regional accent... It’s farcical. I imagine the truth be known is you’ve got good at convincing yourself it could of been worse in some fashion or another and you take solace in that.

An opinion to which you are perfectly entitled... albeit wrong.

[marlboro20]

When I first joined I did put a couple of reviews up and just received a load of piss taking instead of help and advice on how a review should be, so what`s the point?

Goldwing... Iligitimus non carbarundum
Just keep on keeping on

[NigelF]

In comparison to you guys I’m relatively new to this hobby but it doesn’t take a genius to work out that aw feedback is only a very rough guide and can’t always (if ever) be trusted, where as this site is designed for us to tell the truth about what goes on. I’m sure we’d all appreciate your experience Goldwing if you shared it on here in reviews and not just on aw. It’s hard for people to trust your advice when it’s not obviously backed up.

+1

I've always thought this was speak easy forum... now I'm not so sure. Goldwings comments are Goldwing opinions... they don't need to be analysed and pulled apart in minute detail by those who think they're legends in their own underpants.

You can pretend it's "ego" or whatever to make yourself feel better (ironically) but I'm not posting for that, I'm pulling his posts apart (admittedly in a lot of detail probably too much) because A) I strongly believe his assertion about city centre girls to be wrong. B) I'm genuinely curious as to what he means/what his experiences have been. C) He seems to put great store in AW feedback which I think is ridiculous and D) because I'm trying to work out whether he's just easily pleased because he only requires limited services and isn't fussy in the looks department or because he's just happy to be in the presence of a woman. If it's the latter then I know to take his posts/reviews with a heavy dose of salt but given what he's already said I'm going to be doing that anyway.

Unfortunately goldwing doesn't seem to want to answer my questions but hopefully you will. How many punts (very roughly), of different girls, have you had?

I strongly urge any others who've never had a bad punt to come forward as well. It will help provide "balance" to the forum at least.

It's down to research... AW and UKP help but they're only opinions. OP... when you fancy booking a girl talk to her on the phone and you'll get an insight.(Personally I don't like strong regional accents)

You are the only person on the planet who can tell whether a girl is lying/exaggerating about her looks or service just by talking on the phone. I do it too and it is a good indicator (particularly regarding enthusiasm) but it's definitely not foolproof and I've certainly been mislead a few times.

When I first joined I did put a couple of reviews up and just received a load of piss taking instead of help and advice on how a review should be, so what`s the point?

It's the main point of this site! I'm wondering why you're happy to continue posting here or about about only vaguely relevant topics but not about sharing information, particularly in the most useful and detailed form - reviews. I'd also advise you to stop being so sensitive about what people say about you, hopefully that will help you post more reviews in the future (not that I'd particularly find them trustworthy unless perhaps, as I've said, you explained your standards and what you were looking for).

Goldwing... Iligitimus non carbarundum
Just keep on keeping on

Good advice but even better advice would be to say post more reviews! As it stands, he usually just says go read his field reports on AW but how the hell can we trust someone who gives every girl he sees a 10/10 in every department. How useless and ridiculous is that!

[goldwing1]

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You can pretend it's "ego" or whatever to make yourself feel better (ironically) but I'm not posting for that, I'm pulling his posts apart (admittedly in a lot of detail probably too much) because A) I strongly believe his assertion about city centre girls to be wrong. B) I'm genuinely curious as to what he means/what his experiences have been. C) He seems to put great store in AW feedback which I think is ridiculous and D) because I'm trying to work out whether he's just easily pleased because he only requires limited services and isn't fussy in the looks department or because he's just happy to be in the presence of a woman. If it's the latter then I know to take his posts/reviews with a heavy dose of salt but given what he's already said I'm going to be doing that anyway.

Unfortunately goldwing doesn't seem to want to answer my questions but hopefully you will. How many punts (very roughly), of different girls, have you had?

I strongly urge any others who've never had a bad punt to come forward as well. It will help provide "balance" to the forum at least.

You are the only person on the planet who can tell whether a girl is lying/exaggerating about her looks or service just by talking on the phone. I do it too and it is a good indicator (particularly regarding enthusiasm) but it's definitely not foolproof and I've certainly been mislead a few times.

It's the main point of this site! I'm wondering why you're happy to continue posting here or about about only vaguely relevant topics but not about sharing information, particularly in the most useful and detailed form - reviews. I'd also advise you to stop being so sensitive about what people say about you, hopefully that will help you post more reviews in the future (not that I'd particularly find them trustworthy unless perhaps, as I've said, you explained your standards and what you were looking for).

Good advice but even better advice would be to say post more reviews! As it stands, he usually just says go read his field reports on AW but how the hell can we trust someone who gives every girl he sees a 10/10 in every department. How useless and ridiculous is that!

I don`t list of the punts i`ve had, must be over a hundred though.
All my punts on adultwork have been top notch hence the 10/10 rating, it`s because i do my homework first, in my job, I have to carry out a lot of due diligence checks on outside suppliers / contractors, and I use the same logic on picking a prossie.

[OakTree]

I don`t list of the punts i`ve had, must be over a hundred though.
All my punts on adultwork have been top notch hence the 10/10 rating, it`s because i do my homework first, in my job, I have to carry out a lot of due diligence checks on outside suppliers / contractors, and I use the same logic on picking a prossie.

We all do our homework and reading through your posts you do nothing different to what most of us do.

At the end of the day, you are still taking a bit of a gamble as to wether they are any good or not, WG`s likeeveryone else can have a bad day and not put the effort in as they normally would.

External Link/Members Only

But it seems not a gamble for you and they don’t “have a bad day” for you either.

Can you see why it’s questionable what you would call an ok punt and why I and others just think you’re easily pleased?

[marlboro20]

NigelF... to answer your questions...
North of 400... say 2 a month for R & R. Must include OWO and preferably CIM...  swallow and anal would be bonuses. No prefs on blonde or brunette but always size always 6-10, maybe a 12 occasionally. Would never consider booking a size 14 or above  because from experience I know all profile sizes are grossly understated. Only ever booked 1 EE... was a good punt but chatting between rounds was a bit limited. Ages span 21-mid 40's. I agree with you that talking to a girl is no real indicator of service... and regional accents are by no means a stopper...  I just prefer polished. (I know I'm shallow :o)
Types I tend go for e.g.
Alana External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only  Aimy External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only
Bella External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only
Leah External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only
Jessica External Link/Members Only or
External Link/Members Only
Anna External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

As I've said previously I only do write ups on New Issues and Undervalued Assets  :o)
Best fuck ever... Stunning Tori... FAF but long gone.

[NigelF]

I don`t list of the punts i`ve had, must be over a hundred though.
All my punts on adultwork have been top notch hence the 10/10 rating, it`s because i do my homework first, in my job, I have to carry out a lot of due diligence checks on outside suppliers / contractors, and I use the same logic on picking a prossie.

I recruit staff and it is the same logic in that you cover every base you can but it's not a similar process. As punters we have a lot less information to go on and a lot of it is much more unreliable. As OakTree says, you and marlboro do the same thing every other sensible punter does. I will admit though that I probably take more risks but not much more since you're happy to just rely on AW feedback and conversation with the girl.

NigelF... to answer your questions...
North of 400... say 2 a month for R & R. Must include OWO and preferably CIM...  swallow and anal would be bonuses. No prefs on blonde or brunette but always size always 6-10, maybe a 12 occasionally. Would never consider booking a size 14 or above  because from experience I know all profile sizes are grossly understated. Only ever booked 1 EE... was a good punt but chatting between rounds was a bit limited. Ages span 21-mid 40's. I agree with you that talking to a girl is no real indicator of service... and regional accents are by no means a stopper...  I just prefer polished. (I know I'm shallow :o)
Types I tend go for e.g.
Alana External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only  Aimy External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only
Bella External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only
Leah External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only
Jessica External Link/Members Only or
External Link/Members Only
Anna External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

As I've said previously I only do write ups on New Issues and Undervalued Assets  :o)
Best fuck ever... Stunning Tori... FAF but long gone.

Wow, 400 girls and not a single bad punt. Unreal and frankly unbelievable. I'll park that though and just say that in pretty much every other service industry, if I (or anyone else) were to have 400 experiences they wouldn't all be good and since escorting is probably the worst out the lot, this makes your experience even more shocking. You simply must be in a minority of less than 0.01% of members of this site. As I've said though, I encourage any more to come forward (although I imagine most people don't read this topic due to the title).

I also presume you're ignoring the punts which you've walked from or been stood up/had your time wasted. I also have no idea how you can tell if someone is, for example, now a lot fatter than their pictures from just talking to them on the phone. Their AW feedback certainly won't tell you.

[marlboro20]

Stood up three time and walked away once. Guess I'm just lucky... or maybe just ultra careful.

[OakTree]

Stood up three time and walked away once. Guess I'm just lucky... or maybe just ultra careful.

400 punts and you’ve only been stood up three times?.... That’s extraordinary!

[goldwing1]

We all do our homework and reading through your posts you do nothing different to what most of us do.
 

But it seems not a gamble for you and they don’t “have a bad day” for you either.

Can you see why it’s questionable what you would call an ok punt and why I and others just think you’re easily pleased?

To me, an ok punt is the sort that you get in a parlour with a good looker, the sex might be good but it`s all mechanical and they look bored, probably because half a dozen blokes have been there before you that day.

A good punt is someone who is welcoming, good smile, good personality, likes a laugh, has made the effort in looking / dressing good, does everything on her list, has nice accommodation,  not a clock watcher and is enjoying it as much as you are.
£130 an hour is the most i`d pay
Vast majority of my punts are with ladies 35+

[goldwing1]

I recruit staff and it is the same logic in that you cover every base you can but it's not a similar process. As punters we have a lot less information to go on and a lot of it is much more unreliable. As OakTree says, you and marlboro do the same thing every other sensible punter does. I will admit though that I probably take more risks but not much more since you're happy to just rely on AW feedback and conversation with the girl.

Wow, 400 girls and not a single bad punt. Unreal and frankly unbelievable. I'll park that though and just say that in pretty much every other service industry, if I (or anyone else) were to have 400 experiences they wouldn't all be good and since escorting is probably the worst out the lot, this makes your experience even more shocking. You simply must be in a minority of less than 0.01% of members of this site. As I've said though, I encourage any more to come forward (although I imagine most people don't read this topic due to the title).

I also presume you're ignoring the punts which you've walked from or been stood up/had your time wasted. I also have no idea how you can tell if someone is, for example, now a lot fatter than their pictures from just talking to them on the phone. Their AW feedback certainly won't tell you.

Nigel F
You recruit staff, i`m in procurement so we probably both apply the same logic when looking at profiles and talking to the girls, probably got a sixth sense as well, it`s either that or we are lucky that we haven`t had bad punts.
You mentioned External Link/Members Only, she`s good and a bit mad as well which I thought was hilarious

[cueball]

Nigel F
 we probably both apply the same logic when looking at profiles and talking to the girls, probably got a sixth sense as well, it`s either that or we are lucky that we haven`t had bad punts.

You mentioned External Link/Members Only, she`s good and a bit mad as well which I thought was hilarious

Eh? Nigel has had plenty of bad ones, his reviews tell you that. There's only you and toby that has the amazing record.

Good luck with Bella, shame your sixth sense didn't twig what else she gets up to

[threechilliman]

Stood up three time and walked away once. Guess I'm just lucky... or maybe just ultra careful.

Well there's four poor experiences to start with. Each would have got a red one from me. Still only 1% of your punts, which as others have said is extraordinary.  Or is it?

[NigelF]

To me, an ok punt is the sort that you get in a parlour with a good looker, the sex might be good but it`s all mechanical and they look bored, probably because half a dozen blokes have been there before you that day.

Yeah, to me, that's a bad punt (even if it is in a parlour). To be fair though, I do get where you're coming from to some extent. I too often still somewhat enjoy those punts because at the end of the day I don't have to do much legwork/chasing, I'm shagging someone who at the very least isn't bad looking, I cum and I get to leave quickly and don't have to talk to them again. I usually do find punts to be at least somewhat enjoyable and they're almost always (but definitely not 100%) better than a wank although they're a lot more expensive too. Nonetheless, I find many things unacceptable, including them not being enthusiastic during sex. If they look like they don't want to be there then I'm not going to be either.

If you can be bothered, have a look at my last 6 reviews (ignoring the positives). I'd be interested to see if you genuinely think my ratings were unfair. I actually enjoyed all of them (and I think I mentioned that) but nonetheless they were not all positive experiences. I appreciate though, that certainly the 2 most recent girls, were not the safest choices. 

A good punt is someone who is welcoming, good smile, good personality, likes a laugh, has made the effort in looking / dressing good, does everything on her list, has nice accommodation,  not a clock watcher and is enjoying it as much as you are.
£130 an hour is the most i`d pay
Vast majority of my punts are with ladies 35+

To me, most of those things are minimum standards. I also expect accurate or at the very least representative pictures. To be fair, I don't expect them to enjoy it as much as I am but I do expect enthusiasm and perhaps for them to at least look like they do. I also don't particularly mind about their personality (I'm happy with a wide variety of personality types) as long as they have a good attitude (generally just one that's friendly and keen-to-please).

The vast majority of my punts are with ladies under 35 (or at least they claim to be  ). That won't help (as they can rely on their youth/looks more) but there's no real reason why young girls shouldn't be honest or can't provide a good service. Indeed there are many example which prove they can.

Nigel F
You recruit staff, i`m in procurement so we probably both apply the same logic when looking at profiles and talking to the girls, probably got a sixth sense as well, it`s either that or we are lucky that we haven`t had bad punts.
You mentioned External Link/Members Only, she`s good and a bit mad as well which I thought was hilarious

As cueball says, I've had plenty of bad ones. I'll admit though, it is quite rare that I reject a girl at the comms/talking stage (but it does occasionally happen). I imagine you and definitely marlboro, reject a lot more.

[HailWood]

Nigel F
You recruit staff, i`m in procurement so we probably both apply the same logic when looking at profiles and talking to the girls, probably got a sixth sense as well, it`s either that or we are lucky that we haven`t had bad punts.
You mentioned External Link/Members Only, she`s good and a bit mad as well which I thought was hilarious

In my experience, Procurement have no 6th sense, they don't even fucking know what there own business needs, just after the cheapest deal so they can justify their inflated pay packet. Logic yes, creativity and empathy - fuck ali.

[goldwing1]

In my experience, Procurement have no 6th sense, they don't even fucking know what there own business needs, just after the cheapest deal so they can justify their inflated pay packet. Logic yes, creativity and empathy - fuck ali.

I was doing it self employed for 10 years so i know what i`m doing, otherwise I wouldn`t have been able to afford to go punting.