WGs reviews are rising - are we back?

[monsterballz47]

If and when I decide to return to punting it will be when I consider the risk to myself and others to be low enough regardless of the law at the time. Pretty much like I would have no qualms about doing 80 / 90 miles an hour on an empty motorway if safe to do so. I would not feel the need to seek the approval of others if I stated my intentions on here.

That is your problem right there, you can't accept that you are trying to justify an illegal act therefore as it is an illegal act you are in the wrong from the start. There is no justification in breaking the law, no matter how wrong you believe it to be.

The more you go on about it on here the stronger the opposition gets. Members are allowed to express their disapproval of bareback why should they not be allowed to express their disapproval of something illegal.

The sooner you stop trying to defend your position the sooner others will stop condemning you.

Except if you want to exceed the speed limit on a motorway? Your logic fails you right there.

I don't believe you're a radical in your mindset, Davie. I think you're just observing this debate and giving your honest thoughts. But the problem is, you're only looking at it from one side of the equation. You seem to think that I'm the only one who's pouring fuel on the fire, but that isn't the case. I'd given up on trying to have a civil debate with LLP the other day, yet he was the one who responded to me first yesterday. So, if you look at it from that point of view, "the more he goes on about it, the stronger the opposition (me) gets". It takes two to have an argument, Davie. The real problem is that myself and LLP are both very stubborn. It's the irresistible force paradox playing out for real.

Ultimatley, I don't understand why you don't ask us both to quit instead of just asking me to back down. Because as I've said before, it takes two to have an argument. But seen as LLP is unable to have a proper debate without resorting to slurs against my character, I will not be responding to him again, so that should solve the problem.

On a broader note, and to actually answer the question posed at the start of this thread...yes. I think we are back now. Right or wrong, correct or incorrect, it doesn't matter. My observations of the punting world tells me that for quite a lot of guys and gals, it is business as usual and I'm fine with that. I personally don't think it's morally correct to go around punting left right and centre whilst continuing your life as normal (and that's why I'm self-isolating), but I'm not going to call anyone out for it. At the end of the day, it's up to the individual to decide.

[daviemac]

Except if you want to exceed the speed limit on a motorway? Your logic fails you right there.

I don't believe you're a radical in your mindset, Davie. I think you're just observing this debate and giving your honest thoughts. But the problem is, you're only looking at it from one side of the equation. You seem to think that I'm the only one who's pouring fuel on the fire, but that isn't the case. I'd given up on trying to have a civil debate with LLP the other day, yet he was the one who responded to me first yesterday. So, if you look at it from that point of view, "the more he goes on about it, the stronger the opposition (me) gets". It takes two to have an argument, Davie. The real problem is that myself and LLP are both very stubborn. It's the irresistible force paradox playing out for real.

Ultimatley, I don't understand why you don't ask us both to quit instead of just asking me to back down. Because as I've said before, it takes two to have an argument. But seen as LLP is unable to have a proper debate without resorting to slurs against my character, I will not be responding to him again, so that should solve the problem.

On a broader note, and to actually answer the question posed at the start of this thread...yes. I think we are back now. Right or wrong, correct or incorrect, it doesn't matter. My observations of the punting world tells me that for quite a lot of guys and gals, it is business as usual and I'm fine with that. I personally don't think it's morally correct to go around punting left right and centre whilst continuing your life as normal (and that's why I'm self-isolating), but I'm not going to call anyone out for it. At the end of the day, it's up to the individual to decide.

One simple reason for that, the rules.

12 Bareback / Unprotected sex
Allowed, but other members have the right to express disapproval of such activities.

I do appreciate we are not talking about bareback, however anyone can see the similarities between that and this virus. Bareback is frowned upon because of the risk of spreading disease, punting during this pandemic is frowned upon due to the risk of spreading disease. The major difference in them both is bareback is not illegal, at the minute meeting others indoors is.

Yes you can say you are forming a 'bubble' with the escort but that isn't strictly true is it. Do you really need me to bother Head1 and get him to add 'punting during lockdown' to the above rule, or can you accept that it should go without saying. As an aside to that you will have noticed that list of escorts that are working are not allowed to be posted, the reason? because punting during this pandemic is frowned upon and we don't want to give then free advertising.

As a mod what I am trying to do, and so far failing, is to get you to understand that it is your continued defence of something that members have every right to disapprove of that is dragging this on. Once again the more you defend it the stronger the disapproval gets. Just leave it then this will be lost among other posts, forgotten and you can carry on with your punting.

[monsterballz47]

One simple reason for that, the rules.

12 Bareback / Unprotected sex
Allowed, but other members have the right to express disapproval of such activities.

I do appreciate we are not talking about bareback, however anyone can see the similarities between that and this virus. Bareback is frowned upon because of the risk of spreading disease, punting during this pandemic is frowned upon due to the risk of spreading disease. The major difference in them both is bareback is not illegal, at the minute meeting others indoors is.

Yes you can say you are forming a 'bubble' with the escort but that isn't strictly true is it. Do you really need me to bother Head1 and get him to add 'punting during lockdown' to the above rule, or can you accept that it should go without saying. As an aside to that you will have noticed that list of escorts that are working are not allowed to be posted, the reason? because punting during this pandemic is frowned upon and we don't want to give then free advertising.

As a mod what I am trying to do, and so far failing, is to get you to understand that it is your continued defence of something that members have every right to disapprove of that is dragging this on. Once again the more you defend it the stronger the disapproval gets. Just leave it then this will be lost among other posts, forgotten and you can carry on with your punting.

Look, you have the authority here, not me. Do I think you're right? No, of course I don't. I think you are misuing your authority. But nevertheless, I do respect your authority (and yes, you yourself to a certain degree), so I will "back down", as it were. I have not changed my mindset at all, and I still believe I am behaving responsibily. That is not going to change.

One last point before I leave this thread altogether. I have to note that I am the only person who is being strongly challenged for holding such a view. If you read this thread in its entirity, you'll see that some others on here are in agreement with me and have expressed their decision to start punting soon. So why am I the only one who is being strongly challenged and called out by you and others? Is it because I am more vocal about it, or is merely because I express my views in an articule manner and that threatens certain people around here?

Oh, and, are reviews allowed? I am due to punt again in exactly one week's time. Would it be acceptable for me to leave a review or, again, could it be seen as encouraging "unlawful" behaviour? Just give me a straight yes or no answer here please, Davie. After all, I wouldn't want to lead people "astray". But at the same time, heaven forbid I should be accused of "leaching". 

[Payyourwaymate]

Look, you have the authority here, not me. Do I think you're right? No, of course I don't. I think you are misuing your authority. But nevertheless, I do respect your authority (and yes, you yourself to a certain degree), so I will "back down", as it were. I have not changed my mindset at all, and I still believe I am behaving responsibily. That is not going to change.

One last point before I leave this thread altogether. I have to note that I am the only person who is being strongly challenged for holding such a view. If you read this thread in its entirity, you'll see that some others on here are in agreement with me and have expressed their decision to start punting soon. So why am I the only one who is being strongly challenged and called out by you and others? Is it because I am more vocal about it, or is merely because I express my views in an articule manner and that threatens certain people around here?

Oh, and, are reviews allowed? I am due to punt again in exactly one week's time. Would it be acceptable for me to leave a review or, again, could it be seen as encouraging "unlawful" behaviour? Just give me a straight yes or no answer here please, Davie. After all, I wouldn't want to lead people "astray". But at the same time, heaven forbid I should be accussed of "leaching". 

Please becareful, don't get yourself banned to prove a point. What ever qualms you have... just let it go.

[Kev40ish]

Look, you have the authority here, not me. Do I think you're right? No, of course I don't. I think you are misuing your authority. But nevertheless, I do respect your authority (and yes, you yourself to a certain degree), so I will "back down", as it were. I have not changed my mindset at all, and I still believe I am behaving responsibily. That is not going to change.

One last point before I leave this thread altogether. I have to note that I am the only person who is being strongly challenged for holding such a view. If you read this thread in its entirity, you'll see that some others on here are in agreement with me and have expressed their decision to start punting soon. So why am I the only one who is being strongly challenged and called out by you and others? Is it because I am more vocal about it, or is merely because I express my views in an articule manner and that threatens certain people around here?

Oh, and, are reviews allowed? I am due to punt again in exactly one week's time. Would it be acceptable for me to leave a review or, again, could it be seen as encouraging "unlawful" behaviour? Just give me a straight yes or no answer here please, Davie. After all, I wouldn't want to lead people "astray". But at the same time, heaven forbid I should be accused of "leaching". 

Daviemac is a punter first and a Mod second. If he was misusing his power I would be calling it out. He is just expressing his opinion like anyone else.

I like you have been criticised, but just accept that people may not like it and do have a right to challenge me. I don’t try and justify my actions. I don’t care what they think. If you take things as a personal attack on you, I think you need to look in the mirror to see where the problem lies.

[monsterballz47]

Please becareful, don't get yourself banned to prove a point. What ever qualms you have... just let it go.

Oh, it's already been let go, no fear of that. Those are just some final thoughts for people to chew on. If I am to be banned, so be it. It's not up to me to make that call. I would be disappointed to be banned, as I do feel I have something to offer this community. But again, it's not my call.

[monsterballz47]

Daviemac is a punter first and a Mod second. If he was misusing his power I would be calling it out. He is just expressing his opinion like anyone else.

I like you have been criticised, but just accept that people may not like it and do have a right to challenge me. I don’t try and justify my actions. I don’t care what they think. If you take things as a personal attack on you, I think you need to look in the mirror to see where the problem lies.

Haha. Of course I take certain remarks as being personal attacks. Because that's the point, I have been personally attacked MANY, MANY times. I'm not a snowflake. I have no problem with people challenging my views. I like debates. What I don't like, however, is personal insults. And when other posters are allowed to call me a "sociopath" and "psychopath" without getting called out for it at all by Davie (and any other mod), then I will call that mod out, whoever he/she is. I daresay if I'd started throwing out insults left and right, I would have already been banned by now and labelled a troll or something. And that's the problem when anyone in a position of authority agrees with one side over the other, as they cannot remain truly impartial.

Edit: And let me just say, I have no problem with Davie as an individual at all. He has never insulted me for no reason at all and was very patient with me when I kept making blunders in my review attempts. I just think as a mod he shouldn't encourage any person who insults another just for holding a different viewpoint. He should put aside his own personal thoughts on the matter and tell LLP to stop with the insults.

[tesla]

Oh, it's already been let go,

but you haven't let go, you keep posting , despite saying otherwise 

[monsterballz47]

but you haven't let go, you keep posting , despite saying otherwise

I have let go of my argument with LLP (which is where the bad feeling stems from on both sides) and will no longer be speaking about my punting habits here as I can see that some people aren't happy with it (mainly because of Davie's thoughts, as he's the one with the authority). But of course I won't ignore people if they want to know why I feel so strongly about this, I will explain. That isn't the same thing as trying to justify my punting habits.

[Kev40ish]

Haha. Of course I take certain remarks as being personal attacks. Because that's the point, I have been personally attacked MANY, MANY times. I'm not a snowflake. I have no problem with people challenging my views. I like debates. What I don't like, however, is personal insults. And when other posters are allowed to call me a "sociopath" and "psychopath" without getting called out for it at all by Davie (and any other mod), then I will call that mod out, whoever he/she is. I daresay if I'd started throwing out insults left and right, I would have already been banned by now and labelled a troll or something. And that's the problem when anyone in a position of authority agrees with one side over the other, as they cannot remain truly impartial.

Site rules say:

23 Abuse towards other members
Discord must be kept civil. Excessive abuse/swearing is not acceptable. "You're acting like a twat" is not excessive, however, "you're a fucking inbred cunt" is excessive and is not acceptable. Bullying will result in a ban. Abuse to the Mod or Admin Team will result in a ban.

I don’t see anything excessive in anything people have said to you, unless it gets reported the Mods wouldn’t act on it.
If you think the abuse you’ve had is excessive I think perhaps you are acting a bit like a snowflake..

[tesla]

I have let go of my argument with LLP (which is where the bad feeling stems from on both sides) and will no longer be speaking about my punting habits here as I can see that some people aren't happy with it (mainly because of Davie's thoughts, as he's the one with the authority). But of course I won't ignore people if they want to know why I feel so strongly about this, I will explain. That isn't the same thing as trying to justify my punting habits.

I knew you would post a follow up, haven't even read what you wrote to be honest, you just have to have the last word!!!

[monsterballz47]

I knew you would post a follow up, haven't even read what you wrote to be honest, you just have to have the last word!!!

Haha. Fair point, fair point... Go ahead then everyone. You all feel free to have the last word! MB47 signing off!

[Kev40ish]

I knew you would post a follow up, haven't even read what you wrote to be honest, you just have to have the last word!!!

That’s probably the issue to some degree, the people he is arguing do have a similar mindset too

[daviemac]

Haha. Of course I take certain remarks as being personal attacks. Because that's the point, I have been personally attacked MANY, MANY times. I'm not a snowflake. I have no problem with people challenging my views. I like debates. What I don't like, however, is personal insults. And when other posters are allowed to call me a "sociopath" and "psychopath" without getting called out for it at all by Davie (and any other mod), then I will call that mod out, whoever he/she is.

You make it very difficult don't you. The point is you have made 33, yes 33 out of your 109 posts on this thread defending your stance. The main problems are for one you are too stubborn for your own good and secondly you have no understanding of the rules.

You complain about others who agree with you on this thread not being told to stop, they haven't posted 33 times they made their point and left it at that. I've explained to you why members are allowed to express disapproval of punting just now and the reasons for that disapproval.

As far as the alleged abuse is concerned, I haven't seen any that is unacceptable or outwith the rules.  If you feel that I am wrong in that feel free to report the relevant posts and another mod or admin will look at it. Likewise if you have any complaints about the way I conduct myself report that as well. The button's over there > > > > > > >> > > > >

Reviews are always welcome, however don't take it to heart if some disapproval is expressed.

[Jerk Chicken]

One point I want to make here ...

On face value it would appear @monsterballz47 is being treated slightly differently now that could be for the reasons set out by @daviemac.

A number of vetran forum members have admitted they have had a post lock down punt, they did not set out any post punt actions to limit any potential spread of the virus they could have picked up from the said WG whereas @monsterballz47 has.

None of those punters have been attacked with the same zeal. #justsaying

[Kev40ish]

One point I want to make here ...

On face value it would appear @monsterballz47 is being treated slightly differently now that could be for the reasons set out by @daviemac.

A number of vetran forum members have admitted they have had a post lock down punt, they did not set out any post punt actions to limit any potential spread of the virus they could have picked up from the said WG whereas @monsterballz47 has.

None of those punters have been attacked with the same zeal. #justsaying

I think it’s more about the reaction the OP gave to the criticism that has led to this.
Lots of people have been challenged, mainly people with a few reviews and are somewhat unknown on the site. That is understandable in my opinion and probably will never change. It was his insistence on not letting it go that made it go on for so long.

[The Outsider]

I am in no way putting others at risk, as I am self-isolating (that means I am cut off from everyone else, and my shopping is being left outside). Even if I do catch the virus, the chances of anything happening to me are extremely, extremely slim (I'm only 26).

I am not doing anything wrong. Something being illegal doesn't make it wrong. It was illegal to be homosexual in Britain until 1967, but that doesn't mean to say that gay people were doing anything wrong before that.

My self discipline is much stronger than you think. I am a self confessed gambling addict. In lockdown, with nothing else to do, the urges were strong, but I resisted them. I'm not saying I have a will of iron...but it's close. However, in this case, it seemed illogical not to have a punt. I believe now is the safest time to punt, because a second wave will eventually hit.

Oh, and, before you say anything, the second wave will not occur because of the behaviour of people like myself, it will be because of the behaviour of those who are treating this as one, big paid holiday.

I'm sorry that me exercising my God given free will triggers you so (actually, I'm not sorry at all, just being polite), but I'm afraid you'll simply have to accept it. Now grow up, accept it and move on. There's a good chap. 

TTFN.

I actually agree with you that legality is not necessarily a good guide as to what is right or wrong in punting.  Most of us are happy with the illegal act of escorts flat sharing and many of use agencies where the "pimp" is breaking the law. 

What I take issue with, is your selfish attitude and willful ignorance that you are potentially spreading the virus.  Despite your youth and naivety you could still catch Covid and end up needing medical care, thus putting others at risk. 

As for being triggered, you don't even have your bronze trolling badge yet.  I'm a fan of irony, so being told to "grow up" by someone quoting Star Wars is funny, not annoying.   

[bhudda]

  I'm a fan of irony, so being told to "grow up" by someone quoting Star Wars is funny, not annoying.   

I have to confess that when he advised someone to tread carefully or he would lose respect for them i literally did laugh out loud 

Cant believe this troll has been fed for so long. Feel free to lose respect for me.