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Online GingerNuts

Met my wife 23 years ago, married for 15. Plenty of sex really, she wants it more than me and always initiates it.
BUT, the sex is as vanilla as it can get. She gags if she tries to suck, hates the taste of pre cum itself, tried blowjob a few times and gave up. Does not let me anywhere near her asshole, no touching it, no fingering it, no rimming, no anal. The very thought of bringing the anus into the sex makes her feel gross. We have tried me giving her oral, and again, starts giggling, says its feels funny and pulls me off  :dash:

Forget other sex acts like facials, CIM, etc, I havent even bothered asking her since I know the answer.

For all these reasons, I am forced to punt, I dont feel guilty and by punting I can keep my family together and indulge in my likes.

Why haven't you posted any reviews of these punts in five years?

Offline MrMatrix

Met my wife 23 years ago, married for 15. Plenty of sex really, she wants it more than me and always initiates it.
BUT, the sex is as vanilla as it can get. She gags if she tries to suck, hates the taste of pre cum itself, tried blowjob a few times and gave up. Does not let me anywhere near her asshole, no touching it, no fingering it, no rimming, no anal. The very thought of bringing the anus into the sex makes her feel gross. We have tried me giving her oral, and again, starts giggling, says its feels funny and pulls me off  :dash:

Forget other sex acts like facials, CIM, etc, I havent even bothered asking her since I know the answer.

For all these reasons, I am forced to punt, I dont feel guilty and by punting I can keep my family together and indulge in my likes.
Its a fair question why havent you posted any reviews. Do you not feel guilty at taking the benifits of our reviews and give nothing back then :unknown:

And yes I understand why you punt, pretty much like most of us here :hi:

Offline tynetunnel

Near 5 years a member, and no reviews. Wow! I feel his extreme shame even from here...  :hi:

Offline Home Alone

No point in me adding my twopenny worth to the last few posts, with all of which, it goes without saying, I totally agree.

As the patient of various orthropods over the years, I'm a bit disappointed in you, orthropod! :(

Offline user1437

Been married for 6 years now. The first year was amazing, the second my wife fell in pretty tough depression and it took all of my energy to help her with this. After the hard moments she went back to being... "functional" (not even sure if this is the correct word to describe it to be honest), but one of the side effects of her medication was that her libido completely dropped. Literally dead zero. Had a dead bedroom for quite a while despite talking about it more than once stressing how important it is for me.

We ended up being more open about this because as of now, sexual life with her is pretty dead, aside from the occasional blowjob/handjob when she feels like it. She doesn't have a single need for it, so we agreed on me potentially meeting other girls for sex. What she doesn't know though, is that these other girls are escorts. I don't know if I'll ever tell her that detail, but at least I don't feel guilty since my love life is genuinely separated from my sex life now.

Not the best situation but I wouldn't leave her ever. Aside from sex she's the best person I've ever met and I'd rather keep going with the current workaround than not have her in my life.

Offline MrMatrix

Been married for 6 years now. The first year was amazing, the second my wife fell in pretty tough depression and it took all of my energy to help her with this. After the hard moments she went back to being... "functional" (not even sure if this is the correct word to describe it to be honest), but one of the side effects of her medication was that her libido completely dropped. Literally dead zero. Had a dead bedroom for quite a while despite talking about it more than once stressing how important it is for me.

We ended up being more open about this because as of now, sexual life with her is pretty dead, aside from the occasional blowjob/handjob when she feels like it. She doesn't have a single need for it, so we agreed on me potentially meeting other girls for sex. What she doesn't know though, is that these other girls are escorts. I don't know if I'll ever tell her that detail, but at least I don't feel guilty since my love life is genuinely separated from my sex life now.

Not the best situation but I wouldn't leave her ever. Aside from sex she's the best person I've ever met and I'd rather keep going with the current workaround than not have her in my life.
Sounds all too familiar a story. Sorry Samsama that things have nose dived in the bedroom.
Dont tell her any detail or any friends as it could well back fire on you if your circumstanse change. I mean this....
I dont feel guilty either, but I do feel a bit of a shame that its come to this in the first place. Not what I wanted at all or indeed you by the sounds of it. :hi:

Offline saiyens22

Ok I'm not technically married but might as well be ha ha.
Well I punted a lot in earlier years. Punted, swinger club, ONS... But when my miss and I moved became serious I stopped most of it keeping only like a once a year punt. And then we moved  together I kind of stopped everything.

But now I kind of feel a need to maybe give myself some space. My gf is great and I would never leave her but in the bedroom we are quite diffent and the once a week vanilla sex isn't enough.

Might need to punt every once in a while (when my budget allow for it) to release the tension.

That might be a solution somehow

Offline user1437

Sounds all too familiar a story. Sorry Samsama that things have nose dived in the bedroom.
Dont tell her any detail or any friends as it could well back fire on you if your circumstanse change. I mean this....
I dont feel guilty either, but I do feel a bit of a shame that its come to this in the first place. Not what I wanted at all or indeed you by the sounds of it. :hi:

Oh well. Pretty cool (well not really but still) to hear I'm not alone in this situation

All things considered, I think the current situation is the best I could ask for. The occasional guilt being the only issue obviously. The rest of my couple life is amazing and I even somehow scored a perfect family in law. Hopefully you're in the same boat!

Offline Mr Doodle

It has been a while since I have been on these forums, and this thread is one of the more interesting and helpful ones (if only a place where I can see I am not the only one and it is refreshing, if somewhat sad to hear others with similar problems and what their thoughts are).

For me, it has been deadroom for about 15 years, but all but dried up some 4 years prior. After the first child, OH suffered mild post-natal depression and despite best efforts of support (which were probably inadequate), the taps went off.. from memory until the period about 6 months prior to conceiving number 2 - it took that long. To be honest, it was during this period that I started to lose my attraction to her.. the sex was perfunctory and with the sole purpose of procreation. I am not one to have sex with pregnant women, so I was hunkering down for a long wait for the next time once she was confirmed pregnant.

Baby came around the middle of the year and OH made it plain that she was no longer attracted to me and although we didn't know it at the time, it was put down to post-natal depression. However, the only time she felt horny, I was afflicted with a bad flu and by the time I recovered a few days later, she had lost it again.

We have not had sex since. I engaged the services of a few SPs, preferring to find one I liked and sticking with her until she went underground. However, I stopped seeing them as I realised, it wasn't just the sex with OK that was missing, but it was the whole intimacy, closeness and partnership/companionship of a relationship I missed..

Although OH and I are not married, she is financially dependent on me, so when the inevitable split comes, I am actually going to be volunteering the lion's share of the assets to her, leaving me enought to purchase a modest home for cash and have a little left in the bank to play with. Although I have about 10 years left to retirement, I am not at all worred about the fact that I will have a lot less than if I stayed with her because my needs are modest.. a roof over my head in a village/small town, afford an SP of my liking, and an inexpensive hobby that can also generate some cash. I would prefer that than a nicer home and car, but be unhappy.

Ironically, COVID for me can justify an informal split (before the kids finish school/go to college), to which I was very surprised my partner (originally) supported.

Now, to read some reviews.. could be looking for a SP to invest in

[edit] forgot to mention, the Better Batchelor vid on the 50,000/month allimony was, I infer, because she was dependent on him after quitting her job... My guess is that was the main reason....

In NZ and Aus, the laws are similar - although from memory living together as a couple (usually with some other evidence such as a child, bank account, sleeping in the same room, etc), one is considered a de-facto couple, which in their law gives the same rights as if they were married (more or less), except if one of the partners is still married - in which you think it would be defacto biggamy, but the married partner has priority over the unmarried partner. I can't recall the period of time they have to be together living as a couple, but from memory, in Australia, it was as little as 3 months and in NZ was 12 months. But it was a long time ago.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2020, 01:23:12 am by Mr Doodle »

Offline BJrimmer

True....but I think women have affairs for different reasons than men.  I think women have affairs more for attention that may be lacking in their marriage, affection, boredom, sex maybe bottom of the reasons for the affair.  I think men's reasons for the affair may start with sex at the top of the list, followed by all the other reasons. I maybe wrong but interested in what you guys think.

That is actually bang on. I know 2 women very closely who both had affairs, and both are very needy attention seekers.

Offline Farruc

It’s good to know I’m not alone. And just 6 years for me. Although she thinks it’s the meds I’m on that means I don’t want sex. I have lots of sex, just not with her, I no longer want or desire anything intimate with her  :hi:
Take note gents, a man in control here. Get out and bang. If they dont want it at home....plenty who do. Also dont listen to anyone who says "sad paying for sex" no it ain't. I pay for every other hobby I have.....no different.

Offline Longshot

Without reading the full thread, my situation is slightly different to many others.

My wife is literally gagging for sex everyday, its literally on tap.  Unfortunately its just shit sex, very vanilla and she just wants to lay there while i put in the work.

It was her dreadfull and painful blow jobs that drove me to punting (its like she just scrapes her teeth on my bell end and expects that to excite me)

Now i have to make sure i service her before i go for a punt so shes satisfied for a bit while i have a furrow period after. (I like to wait a week or two before shagging the wife just to be sure nothing was inadvertantly caught from the prossie.  Some time back i shagged her soon after a prossie and passed on a sti - whole load of shit storm from that!!)

Offline Supersix4

Been married for 13 years and the sex with the OH finished after about 5 years. No discussion, no reason, just stopped. Point is before that she was supper hot in bed and the sex was great. At some points possibly a little too much on occasions. I've been punting on and off for 25 years or more so when i feel horny i just plan a visit to a suitable SP.

Offline sparkus

Without reading the full thread, my situation is slightly different to many others.

My wife is literally gagging for sex everyday, its literally on tap.  Unfortunately its just shit sex, very vanilla and she just wants to lay there while i put in the work.

It was her dreadfull and painful blow jobs that drove me to punting (its like she just scrapes her teeth on my bell end and expects that to excite me)

Now i have to make sure i service her before i go for a punt so shes satisfied for a bit while i have a furrow period after. (I like to wait a week or two before shagging the wife just to be sure nothing was inadvertantly caught from the prossie.  Some time back i shagged her soon after a prossie and passed on a sti - whole load of shit storm from that!!)

I take you fessed up and she forgave?

Most women I've lived with (apart from the last one) expect(ed) a 'vanilla' seeing to several times a week.  Sometimes they can want it several times a day, which can exhaust the balls and leave nothing to punt with, which is a pisser if you're after seeing someone who only works certain days.

Online RedKettle

Without reading the full thread, my situation is slightly different to many others.

My wife is literally gagging for sex everyday, its literally on tap.  Unfortunately its just shit sex, very vanilla and she just wants to lay there while i put in the work.

It was her dreadfull and painful blow jobs that drove me to punting (its like she just scrapes her teeth on my bell end and expects that to excite me)

Now i have to make sure i service her before i go for a punt so shes satisfied for a bit while i have a furrow period after. (I like to wait a week or two before shagging the wife just to be sure nothing was inadvertantly caught from the prossie.  Some time back i shagged her soon after a prossie and passed on a sti - whole load of shit storm from that!!)

I have no expertise to give relationship advice, but here goes.....

If you have an OH who is up for it I think you have a foundation to build on. Perhaps talk to her about your sex life and educate on what you would like, in an encouraging manner.  Also of course ask about what she would like.  Perhaps she also thinks you are poor at it!!!

Offline val33

I've been widowed now for 5 years and it took a while afterwards to get into punting, but I wouldn't have dreamed of punting whilst still married. Call me old-fashioned, but when you get married you make a commitment to be faithful through thick and thin. We did have a rough patch where she totally went off sex for 3 years, but I'd highly recommend seeing a doctor/counsellor. Once we got over the embarassment of seeing our family GP, after many blood tests it turned out my ex-wife had a medical condition (hormone imbalance), which medication was able to help with, and we went on to have the best sex of our lives afterwards, it was like she regained her youth. Counselling also helped to restore our intimacy - it's available free on the NHS and it's a shame more people don't use it.

Offline Whiteknight

So who gets the record for the longest time with a wife with no sex?

Might be me, because it was last century!  And no, I don't know exactly which year.

But how old are you and your wife?

Offline mace-window

I have no expertise to give relationship advice, but here goes.....

If you have an OH who is up for it I think you have a foundation to build on. Perhaps talk to her about your sex life and educate on what you would like, in an encouraging manner.  Also of course ask about what she would like.  Perhaps she also thinks you are poor at it!!!

I would 100%. He is lucky man to have a wife willing to have sex with him let alone have a wife willing to suck you off. I would say maybe have better communication skills. You don't want to ruin something good as a willing wife in regards in the bedroom. 

Offline Longshot

I have no expertise to give relationship advice, but here goes.....

If you have an OH who is up for it I think you have a foundation to build on. Perhaps talk to her about your sex life and educate on what you would like, in an encouraging manner.  Also of course ask about what she would like.  Perhaps she also thinks you are poor at it!!!

I have tried in the past and she took more as a complaint.  Despite enjoying sex shes quite prudish despite the contradiction that it sounds.

...and the very thought that im not as good as i think!!! My AW feedback is proof of my amazing sexual prowess  :lol: :lol:

Offline MysteryManNo.7

I'm a young gent (under 30) and was never keen on the idea of marriage anyway (just seems like a raw deal for men altogether) and you gents have hammered that home by me reading through this thread!

I'm not 100% against marriage just seems men get the raw end of the stick in more ways than one. I don't want to just punt my whole life and hope to meet someone for a meaningful pursuit rather than a disposable pleasure but marriage seems like a one way trip to misery.

Offline mace-window

I'm a young gent (under 30) and was never keen on the idea of marriage anyway (just seems like a raw deal for men altogether) and you gents have hammered that home by me reading through this thread!

I'm not 100% against marriage just seems men get the raw end of the stick in more ways than one. I don't want to just punt my whole life and hope to meet someone for a meaningful pursuit rather than a disposable pleasure but marriage seems like a one way trip to misery.

Welcome to the club, the non-marriage club my friend.

Offline Straightsix

I'm a young gent (under 30) and was never keen on the idea of marriage anyway (just seems like a raw deal for men altogether) and you gents have hammered that home by me reading through this thread!

I'm not 100% against marriage just seems men get the raw end of the stick in more ways than one. I don't want to just punt my whole life and hope to meet someone for a meaningful pursuit rather than a disposable pleasure but marriage seems like a one way trip to misery.
Agree. It takes me 2 minutes to shoot my load. If a girlfriend/wife cannot afford me that amount of time then see you later. Having a 15 minute relationship with 4 or so different women a month suits me just fine!
« Last Edit: March 28, 2021, 09:44:41 pm by Straightsix »
Banned reason: Warned before but doesn’t seem to learn
Banned by: Kev40ish

Offline Bonker

So who gets the record for the longest time with a wife with no sex?
I think it's probably me.
36 years.
Mind you she's been dead for 20.

Offline JontyR

I think it's probably me.
36 years.
Mind you she's been dead for 20.

The lengths some people go to.

Offline Bonker

Just realised I got the years the wrong way round. Thereby ruining the joke. Fuck.

Offline JontyR

Just realised I got the years the wrong way round. Thereby ruining the joke. Fuck.

I still laughed heartily.

Offline rowdow

Going to end commenting on this thread as I will be banging my head on the wall if I bother commenting on just replays like Golden Hind. I will say to you Golden Hind, just look at this thread, the divorce statistics or how young people like myself and night-rider got to deal with in today's dating environment. You telling me that these threads are warping my view of the world and women, yet I see large % punters married here, not single dudes like me. Only MM has pointed out I got my head straight by focusing on goals and getting my money right (even though he somewhat disagree with me on some points here). That and keeping an open mind could get me a wrong woman who could ruin my life. I explained before my reasoning so take it as you will.  :hi:.

You do you, wasn't trying to persuade you, it was just my take on it as someone who is also young so I experience the same dating environment but the reality seems different to me. You're on a punting website do you expect to hear about happy marriages? And you're only hearing one side of those stories too.

I agree with Golden Hind and i’ve had a similar discussion with Mace and Payyourwaymate on the under 30 thread.

A few years back i went super deep into the red pill content, i thought MGTOW was the way forward for me and i started to actually live in fear of relationships from what i was watching on all of these youtube videos about the dating market, the whole metoo situation and it warped my mind. But i calmed down and reasoned if girls only want the top 20% of guys, the bad boys, the guys with game then i had a choice to make, to go mgtow or to change for the better and become one of those guys. I did just that - i did a lot of self improvement, got fitter, started dressing better and started watching different content online on how to get girls instead of how to avoid them, i read Rollo Tomassi, watched Rich Cooper and started reading as many books on game as i could. I saw a massive increase in how girls would look, talk and treat me. When i got back into the dating market, i realised it wasn’t anything like what i thought it was from all the mgtow content plus now i know how to handle girls better, how to set up dates more efficiently, got better at text game, how to pass shit tests, how to lead in my interactions with them, how to be more dominate and nonchalant with them. Yes a lot of girls are entitled, a lot are radical feminist and some are just shitty at relationships but there’s still a lot of great girls out there. I take it slow, i spend my time vetting girls before i see them which gets rid of all the crazies, then i meet them in person and see where things go. There are a lot of sound girls out there, who are good people and are cool to spend time with.

I mean this with no disrespect but it all boils down to options, Mace wouldn’t think like he does if he had a ton of fit girls blowing up his phone trying to date him, no red blooded man willingly turns down fit birds because he thinks they’re too much trouble or too ricky to date or not worth his time. His world view sounds more like a way to cope with his dating prospects rather than a life plan based on sound reason. The whole “i would rather spend time and money on myself” is cope, there are a ton of guys who are high earners, have excellent bodies and still want and have time to date. I don’t think Mace has had a good relationship with girls his own age (again no disrespect) which is why he has a slightly wrapped view of modern women. And if you’re active in the dating market and i mean actually in the dating market not just swiping on tinder then you would meet a cool girl every now and then and would know they do exist and are far more common than you think. If not you’re probably going after the wrong type of girls or not looking in the best of places. Like i said on another thread, if online dating apps don’t work for you, move over to instagram, set up a good profile and go from there. A lot of guys don’t want to do this but it’s the best way to meet girls online, the best girls aren’t even on tinder, there’s a lot of cool low-key girls to find on there plus you can check their profile, vet them and message them directly. 

Offline rowdow

I have no idea about marriage, but i know this works 99% of the time when dating.

Nothing rekindles a relationship or makes a woman more attracted to you than to make her jealous. For example if she sees other girls looking at you when you’re out and about, flirting with you when you’re shopping or at restaurant, it gives her a sense of dread. Girls love a man who other woman want to be with. She may act pissed off but she’ll love the fact that other woman want you but she’s the one who has you and that you picked her. The key point is, if she sees you have other possible female options or she thinks you do and there’s a chance someone else might win you over then she’ll work harder to keep and please you.

Another thing if your girl has lost attraction for you, try your best to get get in better shape, the more physically attractive you are the more she’ll be sexually attracted to you.

Offline winkywanky

I think it's probably me.
36 years.
Mind you she's been dead for 20.

The lengths some people go to.

Just realised I got the years the wrong way round. Thereby ruining the joke. Fuck.


FFS... :scare:  :lol:  :lol:

Offline mace-window

I agree with Golden Hind and i’ve had a similar discussion with Mace and Payyourwaymate on the under 30 thread.

A few years back i went super deep into the red pill content, i thought MGTOW was the way forward for me and i started to actually live in fear of relationships from what i was watching on all of these youtube videos about the dating market, the whole metoo situation and it warped my mind. But i calmed down and reasoned if girls only want the top 20% of guys, the bad boys, the guys with game then i had a choice to make, to go mgtow or to change for the better and become one of those guys. I did just that - i did a lot of self improvement, got fitter, started dressing better and started watching different content online on how to get girls instead of how to avoid them, i read Rollo Tomassi, watched Rich Cooper and started reading as many books on game as i could. I saw a massive increase in how girls would look, talk and treat me. When i got back into the dating market, i realised it wasn’t anything like what i thought it was from all the mgtow content plus now i know how to handle girls better, how to set up dates more efficiently, got better at text game, how to pass shit tests, how to lead in my interactions with them, how to be more dominate and nonchalant with them. Yes a lot of girls are entitled, a lot are radical feminist and some are just shitty at relationships but there’s still a lot of great girls out there. I take it slow, i spend my time vetting girls before i see them which gets rid of all the crazies, then i meet them in person and see where things go. There are a lot of sound girls out there, who are good people and are cool to spend time with.

I mean this with no disrespect but it all boils down to options, Mace wouldn’t think like he does if he had a ton of fit girls blowing up his phone trying to date him, no red blooded man willingly turns down fit birds because he thinks they’re too much trouble or too ricky to date or not worth his time. His world view sounds more like a way to cope with his dating prospects rather than a life plan based on sound reason. The whole “i would rather spend time and money on myself” is cope, there are a ton of guys who are high earners, have excellent bodies and still want and have time to date. I don’t think Mace has had a good relationship with girls his own age (again no disrespect) which is why he has a slightly wrapped view of modern women. And if you’re active in the dating market and i mean actually in the dating market not just swiping on tinder then you would meet a cool girl every now and then and would know they do exist and are far more common than you think. If not you’re probably going after the wrong type of girls or not looking in the best of places. Like i said on another thread, if online dating apps don’t work for you, move over to instagram, set up a good profile and go from there. A lot of guys don’t want to do this but it’s the best way to meet girls online, the best girls aren’t even on tinder, there’s a lot of cool low-key girls to find on there plus you can check their profile, vet them and message them directly.

Ha ha  ha ha this is same BS again coming from you right here. First off do you think all "MGTOW" guys are the same? They are many people who live "MGTOW" who do a lot of self improvement, got fitter, vets girls/people, started dressing better and dare I say it started watching different content online on how to get girls instead of how to avoid them. These group of people include me. The different being that I actually saw the risked, talked to married dudes about their marriage life, looked at the divorce statistics and etc.... and came to my own decision on how I am going to make my move in this life. Look at threads like this on UKP was the cherry on top. So no I am not some fat, loner with a bad dress sense who never got laid. Sorry to break the news to you. Besides I did not get my ideas only on UKP threads like this, I got those ideas from the outside world like dating good, bad and regular women from different age range (minus 35+ right now). And if you still think that, just look at Coach Greg Adams for one who is fit, has money and is a MGTOW :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:. Even Rollo Tomassi agrees that marriage and the current dating scene is bad for us young men.

And the thing is regardless if there are a lot of sound girls out there, who are good people and are cool to spend time with or if I never had a good relationship with a woman in my own age range (like how do you know my life better than me), it will likely all end in the same if you marry one of them or put a baby in one (and most rich people learn this the hard way). Divorce and not be able to see you child. And on top of that I don't see many of these so called "Good ladies" going to protest against the divorce courts nor child support courts which are heavily against men but they will wear those stupid pussy cat hats against the high value men that they would sleep with if they had a chance. And please don't pretend you mean no disrespect. If you got a problem with my "wrapped views" maybe go after the sources instead of me. And who is the one coping really? Me who is focusing on my goals, hubbies, family, friends and what I really want to spend the rest of my life doing or you rowdow going wasting time chasing women in the bars or clubs in the attempt to smash women multiple times in the future?

Like someone said before to that response - "We're literally on a forum for guys to post reviews about seeing escorts". Which I agree but you’re the one discussing dating. That and I even agreed with your point on "we want different things out of life. Everyone is free to "waste" their time in whichever way they please". So why bring up my views on dating again when we agree to disagree and just live our lives the way we want to spend it?

Offline rowdow

Ha ha  ha ha this is same BS again coming from you right here. First off do you think all "MGTOW" guys are the same? They are many people who live "MGTOW" who do a lot of self improvement, got fitter, vets girls/people, started dressing better and dare I say it started watching different content online on how to get girls instead of how to avoid them. These group of people include me. The different being that I actually saw the risked, talked to married dudes about their marriage life, looked at the divorce statistics and etc.... and came to my own decision on how I am going to make my move in this life. Look at threads like this on UKP was the cherry on top. So no I am not some fat, loner with a bad dress sense who never got laid. Sorry to break the news to you. Besides I did not get my ideas only on UKP threads like this, I got those ideas from the outside world like dating good, bad and regular women from different age range (minus 35+ right now). And if you still think that, just look at Coach Greg Adams for one who is fit, has money and is a MGTOW :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:. Even Rollo Tomassi agrees that marriage and the current dating scene is bad for us young men.

And the thing is regardless if there are a lot of sound girls out there, who are good people and are cool to spend time with or if I never had a good relationship with a woman in my own age range (like how do you know my life better than me), it will likely all end in the same if you marry one of them or put a baby in one (and most rich people learn this the hard way). Divorce and not be able to see you child. And on top of that I don't see many of these so called "Good ladies" going to protest against the divorce courts nor child support courts which are heavily against men but they will wear those stupid pussy cat hats against the high value men that they would sleep with if they had a chance. And please don't pretend you mean no disrespect. If you got a problem with my "wrapped views" maybe go after the sources instead of me. And who is the one coping really? Me who is focusing on my goals, hubbies, family, friends and what I really want to spend the rest of my life doing or you rowdow going wasting time chasing women in the bars or clubs in the attempt to smash women multiple times in the future?

Like someone said before to that response - "We're literally on a forum for guys to post reviews about seeing escorts". Which I agree but you’re the one discussing dating. That and I even agreed with your point on "we want different things out of life. Everyone is free to "waste" their time in whichever way they please". So why bring up my views on dating again when we agree to disagree and just live our lives the way we want to spend it?

I brought it back up because many years ago i had the exact same thoughts and world view as you do now and i know i wasn't in the happiest of mindsets when i thought like that. It's such a negative way to view the world. You’re expecting things to go wrong thus you think it’s safer to just take yourself out of the game.

Like you i don't agree with the current marriage laws or the family courts, most of the time it's a lose lose situation for men but there are ways around this to still have a partner and a family. There's no common law marriage in the uk, you can live with a woman for decades and break up without either of you having the ability to take the other to court. Plus correct me if i'm wrong but the max threshold for child support in the uk is 19% of one's salary, which in my opinion is doable if worse comes to worse and you split with your partner.

Dating is fun and exciting but at the end of the day it's a means to an end, to find a suitable partner to have children with, that's not a waste of time in my view. It doesn't matter what you achieve in life, how much money you make, you'll get to a certain age where you want someone to spend the remaining years of your life with and have a family to leave your estate to. I have family members who work in retirement homes and in hospices and it's sad hearing the stories of people who literally die alone with no family by their side. Having no family and children is a hole in a man's life he can't fill with just making money and fucking escorts.

My main point was about options, MGTOW / Coach Greg Adams / Better Bachelor, those are not the views of guys with great options with woman. No high value man with great options would chose the MGTOW lifestyle. If you were a successful and charismatic millionaire with 6 pack abs would you still think the same, would you still date the same girls or have the same views when you know your value is in the top 1% of all men in the world, what almost 99% of women are looking for. Would you just turn down hot girls on the daily because you fear an unplanned child or her somehow getting half of your money or would you just use protection and simply not get married. Why i say MGTOW is cope is because these are not new problems, marriage and the family courts have sucked since the 60s but many guys have learnt to work their way around these problems. I would rather have a positive view on the world and take every step i can to still get what i want without getting rekt, it’s possible and i plan to make it a reality.

You can avoid women and dating all you want but it sure as hell won’t improve your prospects with them. Confidence in something comes from proficiency, the more experience you have at doing something, the better you become, the greater your understanding, the easier it seems. You figure out what works and what doesn’t and you adjust your approach to have better options and better results.

But i doubt we’ll get anywhere debating on this forum, let’s just agree to disagree.   

Offline AgedCases

My marriage practically started with no sex. She never ever made any move on me.

Got the fuck out of that and am now divorced and would be punting (if it wasn't for that fucking virus).

Offline Punterenas

I'm more red pill than MGTOW. When my wife turned the sex tap off after she fell pregnant with our youngest I read lots of books like The Rational Male and No More Mr Nice Guy.
You just have to realise women do what they do out of self interest. It made me sad at first to realise that I had been sold a lie by pop culture, society and Womans Hour, I probably wasn't even her first choice but 9 times out of 10 its instinctive rather than vindictive.
In the end I told her I would sort myself out and now I basically have a live in housekeeper.

Offline Plan R

I did plenty of 'dating market' research from the ages of 15-45  :bomb:
The results were conclusive - "the juice ain't worth the squeeze"




Offline sparkus

I did plenty of 'dating market' research from the ages of 15-45  :bomb:
The results were conclusive - "the juice ain't worth the squeeze"

Unless you're having a happy ending :sarcastic:

Offline Fuggedaboutit

Was married 20 plus years and widowed getting on for 4 years now. Wife had various health issues which precluded sex for last 5 years of marriage, though there was some intimacy. She suggested I saw WGs (little knowing that I was), so I didn't feel guilty about it.

Actively seeking to get into a long term relationship again, in which I hope the sex is fairly regular (and brief relationships via dating apps have shown that quite a deal of menopausal women around my age are "up for it" - so, looking forward to end of lockdown... :))

But, it's not all about the sex, it's the having the companionship I miss most. If I hadn't been in a SB/SD relationship for the last 6 months, I really don't think I'd have survived lockdown - and the lying in bed after the deed was as much part of the fun as the deed itself.

Fully expecting SB to move on to pastures new post lockdown - a 17 year age gap and a lack of Ferrari/Porsche and dislike of Dubai probably don't work in my favour... :D
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Offline Colston36

Am I a rarity on here? Never had the need to punt in a relationship, sex never an issue, been married twice and had 2 long term relationships, I'm 60 now and happy single.  :unknown:  :hi:

Like you I was lucky ... but only for the first 75 years. Then my last partner went astray. So now for the first time ever I have the wonderful opportunity to explore every filthy fantasy I ever dreamt of. Deeply satisfying and gratifyingly educational. Also I really like some of the trollops I see.

Offline Bonker

Good post Tony Soprano  :thumbsup:
Good luck with finding a partner.

Offline tommo6970

Interesting reading this thread, I can identify with a large part of it. Even though marital sex has dried up for the last two years (not long by some posts) one of those has been mostly in lockdown. That said, the sex was always sporadic at best, which lead me to look at other options.
Over and above the lack of sex the sense of companionship is the glue that keeps us together. There are no real demands of me and I have a degree of freedom that most others envy, it just works in the most pragmatic sense. Getting sex from a provider works for me and I can make arrangements without fear of anybody knowing that I’ve found a hobby that satisfies my needs.
So far I’ve mostly experienced this on my many trips to Germany, their ‘private house’ system is wonderful.
Every situation is different and you never know what anybody else goes through. One of the best things here is the acceptance and knowing someone is there to help and understand.

Offline what-a man

Mine refuses to put out and then asks me to leave whenever we quarrel. I intend to accept her offer for me to leave in the not too distant future. Bidding my time............

Offline webpunter

As she mentions this at quarrel time you should suggest that as its clearly on her mind she should be the one to eff orf

If it does happen you might just have some more time to wazz up some new reviews to add to your sole entry, which is looking rather like 'norman no mates'

Mine refuses to put out and then asks me to leave whenever we quarrel. I intend to accept her offer for me to leave in the not too distant future. Bidding my time............

Offline Mr Doodle

Partner got a whiff I was leaving and changed her demeanour. Suddenly she doing the little (platonic) things to indicate she gives a damn. We actually had a chat about us and she complained that she hadn't had sex for now 15 years and that she has needs and will look for it elsewhere if it isn't coming soon. I reminder her that it was really about 19 years, because we had no sex between our first born and second, except to make the second - which for me had no value from a relationship - it was literally in, spout, and out.

I then went on to remind her it was her who turned off the taps and asked why. Her response was that I wanted it too much - that she thought it was all I thought the relationship was about. Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather! There were a couple of other things non-sexual related that came up and it transpires that we simply can't read each other.. and that we are conditioned to think in certain ways.. For example, when I would jump into bed sometimes and snuggle up to her, she always thought I wanted sex when all I was doing was snuggling. She has been conditioned to think that when men show affection, they must want sex.

Of course, when I explainedto her when you're in a loving relationship, it is often expressing affection I mentioned that to her, it was like a light-bulb lit up for her. But, thinking I am simply expressing affection, apparently, I was expressing an unending need for sexual gratification (well, I may well have that need.. but wasn't consciously impressing it on her ;-))

Of course, no sex was on offer.. and TBH even if she did switch on the taps, my valve (for her) has seized. She is trying, but  other traits best not mentioned come through, so it is time.. Unf, the pandemic has made it difficult to leave and preserve things for the sproglet still living at home, so it is taking it's time.  I have to arrange the work relocation. As she is financially dependent on me and my income earning capacity is much higher than hers, even though we are only partners rather than married, she will get the lions share to make sure she doesn't have to be destitude. I will still have enough for modest living - a small price to pay.

This thread has been a great eye opener.. thanks to the OP for starting it. Have learned a lot. Although I have seen the Better Batchelor on my youtube feed, I hadn't even heard the term MGTOW and Red Pill before (still lead a sheltered life); nor the books on here (although a couple I think are BS). I can't say I subscribe to all of them, but an interesting insight to the female psyche  was provided by simply looking up what they meant. Apparently, MGTOW is mysoginistic and anti-feminist. The producer/director of the documentary, Red Pill, had something very interesting to say here: External Link/Members Only

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Offline DoggyD

Not read all the posts here but it started well. Me & the missus haven't had sex in about 5 years, we do stuff that suits us both & funnily enough even though vaginal sex is usually off the table she will do limited anal as that floats her boat every now & then. She refuses to shave down there so I rarely go down as I do shave for her but hey ho.

Funnily enough she enjoys a good single fingering & about a year ago I got her to suck me off at the same time, this went well even though she wont do cim or facial. I have since introduced her to sucking me off when she is getting close & now she automatically looks to do this each time so now she sort of needs it this way to finish.

It's all very bland at home so I have a retired ish wg on the side that (allegedly) see's only 3 or 4 guys that I go to to dabble in cim or facials, she also dresses up for me & allows photo's & filming for a small fee. Also chats every few days like buddies about life so it's like having a bit on the side but because there's a cost I get to dictate things in bed.

I would still much rather do stuff with the missus but this all works,  not sure if she is 100% aware as she knows my need for regular sexual contact but for years I have put age & weight issues down to my supposed decrease in approaching her. Works well all round but sometimes I would love her to do the other stuff but hey ho.