Don't risk it - Street scene

[nten]

I know that most on here know to avoid these girls like the plague but I've just heard a story that should make it a solid no. A friend of mine works in HR for a charity and all of the staff have to have a crb/dbs check. He's just had a guy admit that he was picked up for kerb crawling. Was driving home in Leicester when a girl waved at him, apparently he stopped she got in and drove off, minutes later got stopped by the police. After a roadside discussion he was sent on way. He then had a call from the local nick and they've asked him in for an interview. He went to HR for advice but has pretty much signed himself out of the job.

I now not to many need these crb checks but this guy might have to go to court for something so stupid. This man has worked for this charity for 10 years, apparently good at his job. All gone now.

[Taggart]

Far to risky, if he is sacked for gross misconduct or forced to resign, wouldnt even get a job as a cabbie now.

Just begs the question why he stopped becuase a strange woman waved, why he had his door unlocked, and why he drove off after letting her get in.
And did he talk to HR before going for voluntary interview?  I'd have had the interview first to see how deeper shit I was in.
But why, if guys have decent jobs, take the big risk of a street girl?  Crazy.

[nten]

I thought the same but didn't want to show my mate how much I had thought about it. Reading about stings in the area in the local paper a few years back I believe the process is interview then court or the kerb crawling version of a speed awareness course. Sounds like he's dropped himself in it before he needed to. I would have thought he'd try to talk his way out of it at least so must have been something he felt guilty about.

Either way if you go to pick a girl up just imagine a copper is watching you and you'll be done for it.

[Sureshot]

Most street scenes are long dead.  The risks with plod and junkies just arent worth it these days.

[shagmore]

Wouldn't do it, far to risky.
Rather do a bit of research on AW first to at leat try to ensure a reasonable punt.

[smiths]

I know that most on here know to avoid these girls like the plague but I've just heard a story that should make it a solid no. A friend of mine works in HR for a charity and all of the staff have to have a crb/dbs check. He's just had a guy admit that he was picked up for kerb crawling. Was driving home in Leicester when a girl waved at him, apparently he stopped she got in and drove off, minutes later got stopped by the police. After a roadside discussion he was sent on way. He then had a call from the local nick and they've asked him in for an interview. He went to HR for advice but has pretty much signed himself out of the job.

I now not to many need these crb checks but this guy might have to go to court for something so stupid. This man has worked for this charity for 10 years, apparently good at his job. All gone now.

No idea why he would go to HR at his company for advice, that's what Solicitors are for, plus you said he was asked to come for an interview, he hadn't been charged at that point then. Its stupidity to say anything until the point of being charged in my view.

[munterhunter]

CRB is now a DBS check but it works the same way it has 3 levels Basic Standard and Enhanced. If you are employed by a charity it's likely that you will need to pass an enhanced check which can now include details of ANY dealings you have had with the police. You don't have to have been convicted or even charged with an offence for details to be disclosed.
Th OP's mate may have been stupid to go to HR in the circumstances but DBS checks are done routinely because they only last 5 years so it would have cone up.
As for being dismissed from his job he would be best consulting an employment law specialist to see if he has any grounds to challenge the decision.
The disclosure rules on enhanced CRB/DBS checks were changed after Ian Huntley was convicted of the Soham Murders. Apparently Humberside Police had previouly interviewed him in connection with an allegation of sexual assault. This was not shown on the CRB check he took to get the caretakers job at Soham School.It is a current requirement that anyne comming into contact with Children or Vuknerable adults has to undergo an enhanced DBS check so most vouluntary organisations and charities do enhanced checks.

[vw]

No idea why he would go to HR at his company for advice, that's what Solicitors are for, plus you said he was asked to come for an interview, he hadn't been charged at that point then. Its stupidity to say anything until the point of being charged in my view.

should have ignored the invite, they invited him in to incriminate himself, when will people learn say nothing.

[manc36]

Crazy really isn't it. I as working away a couple of years back and while walking back to my digs after a couple of beers I saw a skank in what was a rough as fuck area with a  few shifty looking blokes knocking around.

Fuck knows why but I just had the urge and the danger of it was giving me a buzz/thrill . Ended up with a skank that I would never look twice at sucking me off on the road just off the main road.

A shifty bloke walked right past, within a metre or 2 and she kind of stopped. I just said fuck him an she laughed and carried on. Beyond crazy, while I can look after myself he could easily of pulled a knife and I just can't imagine I would ever give up my wallet. So the outcome would be either I win the fight or possibly end up stabbed to death in some shithole.

Never again, hopefully , as if I got nicked it would cost me work and embarrassment .

[HarryZZ]

I had to have the full check done when working with children and vulnerable adults, the guy at the interview mentioned it, then later in the interview mentioned it again, I thought he didn't realise he'd already said I'd have to have the full test. Then after I started work I recalled the incident to him, he said he realised what he was doing, he was giving me chance to bail before I got rumbled for any past deeds.

As far as the "street scene" goes, aren't there tolerated areas now? It's not like when Peter Sutcliffe was cruising around Lumb Lane in Manningham, which was a known area but occasionally policed and was where he was picked up and appeared in the police records as being regularly spotted there. I don't cruise these areas but I would be mightily disappointed if it were a "tolerated area" but still had plod hiding behind bushes taking registration numbers.

[smiths]

CRB is now a DBS check but it works the same way it has 3 levels Basic Standard and Enhanced. If you are employed by a charity it's likely that you will need to pass an enhanced check which can now include details of ANY dealings you have had with the police. You don't have to have been convicted or even charged with an offence for details to be disclosed.
Th OP's mate may have been stupid to go to HR in the circumstances but DBS checks are done routinely because they only last 5 years so it would have cone up.
As for being dismissed from his job he would be best consulting an employment law specialist to see if he has any grounds to challenge the decision.
The disclosure rules on enhanced CRB/DBS checks were changed after Ian Huntley was convicted of the Soham Murders. Apparently Humberside Police had previouly interviewed him in connection with an allegation of sexual assault. This was not shown on the CRB check he took to get the caretakers job at Soham School.It is a current requirement that anyne comming into contact with Children or Vuknerable adults has to undergo an enhanced DBS check so most vouluntary organisations and charities do enhanced checks.

Sadly as I see it there is a massive flaw in DBS checks, there can be backlogs and many employers including some NHS trusts will take the person on before the results of the check have been done. That should never be allowed to occur and backlogs should be avoided.

On the point of this matter coming up anyway, the wise course of action is consult a Solicitor and get their professional advice in my opinion immediately.

[cerealpunter]

CRB is now a DBS check but it works the same way it has 3 levels Basic Standard and Enhanced. If you are employed by a charity it's likely that you will need to pass an enhanced check which can now include details of ANY dealings you have had with the police. You don't have to have been convicted or even charged with an offence for details to be disclosed.
Th OP's mate may have been stupid to go to HR in the circumstances but DBS checks are done routinely because they only last 5 years so it would have cone up.
As for being dismissed from his job he would be best consulting an employment law specialist to see if he has any grounds to challenge the decision.
The disclosure rules on enhanced CRB/DBS checks were changed after Ian Huntley was convicted of the Soham Murders. Apparently Humberside Police had previouly interviewed him in connection with an allegation of sexual assault. This was not shown on the CRB check he took to get the caretakers job at Soham School.It is a current requirement that anyne comming into contact with Children or Vuknerable adults has to undergo an enhanced DBS check so most vouluntary organisations and charities do enhanced checks.

How far do these checks go back, do they list anything that took place as a minor (under 18) is everything listed or just "relevant" stuff

[bigmanbigman]

Back to teenaged i understand so
You could be fucked if asked for check.

[manc36]

Back to teenaged i understand so
You could be fucked if asked for check.

I thought it was 18 and over but not sure ?. Obviously it depends on what job you are doing but they don't normally seem as concerned if you've had a punch up etc in your younger days as long as you declare it - know a few who have been fucked off because they lied when they'd of been ok if they'd of just told the truth.

[Erinaceinae]

External Link/Members Only

Looks like a pretty good guide.

I worked for a company related to security work and lies on the forms were much worse than having things to declare.

[Chorley]

It's not something that's ever appealed to me. To be honest you'd have to be mad/ desperate to pay for a bunk up with a drug addled skank on a dark backstreet IMHO. 

[One Eyed Snake]

I know that most on here know to avoid these girls like the plague but I've just heard a story that should make it a solid no. A friend of mine works in HR for a charity and all of the staff have to have a crb/dbs check. He's just had a guy admit that he was picked up for kerb crawling. Was driving home in Leicester when a girl waved at him, apparently he stopped she got in and drove off, minutes later got stopped by the police. After a roadside discussion he was sent on way. He then had a call from the local nick and they've asked him in for an interview. He went to HR for advice but has pretty much signed himself out of the job.

I now not to many need these crb checks but this guy might have to go to court for something so stupid. This man has worked for this charity for 10 years, apparently good at his job. All gone now.

Something similar happened to me in Sheffield 20yrs ago. The girls in those days were a lot better than the street girls today.
It was a warm summers evening and I so a girl sat in a driveway , i could tell she was on game so pulled up , she got up opened the door and got in. She said she’d give me a blow job for £10 . I drove off only got short distance when unmarked car shot past me beckoned me to pull over.
I was interviewed in the car and asked to report to a police station somewhere at back of Barracks in Hillsboro the next morning.
I lied my way out of it but the embarrassment of being interviewed by 2 officers barely out of school was shite. They knew what I was up to but couldn’t prove it so I was lucky.
That was the only time I’d ever pulled over for a girl and I’ve never done it since.
If it had been in local paper and it was seen at work I don’t think I would have been sacked but the embarrassment, I think I would have just left.
It’s just not worth the risk of picking up a streetgirl, the implications If caught are too great.

[Knny]

should have ignored the invite, they invited him in to incriminate himself, when will people learn say nothing.

Can you simply ignore an invite to the police station?  What's the worst that could happen?

[bigmanbigman]

Plod are full of tricks to sllow you to fuck yourself up .

[mrhappypants]

Nten, I won’t draw you on details but this has the ring of truth about it.  Leicester did have a very active street scene although I am years out of date.  A lot of the girls were mixed up in drugs and some very young indeed.  Add to this the very large Asian community and the legacy of Frank Beck, and your mate might of got off lightly.  There appeared to be systematic grooming specifically among mini-cab drivers going back 20 years.

STAY AWAY.

[Diehard]

The street scene has always tempted me but it seems a thing of the past as surely only girls who  do it now will be foreign or junkies.

If doing it though surely it's best to park the car about half a mile away and walk back to where you see the girl? At least if picked up by old bill you could give false name and address. The OP mate couldnt  obviously as they had is car details.

Always wondered why street hookers don't go to university campus's. drunk students at end of a night out who have failed to pull and horny as fuck would be easy targets.

[vw]

The street scene has always tempted me but it seems a thing of the past as surely only girls who  do it now will be foreign or junkies.

If doing it though surely it's best to park the car about half a mile away and walk back to where you see the girl? At least if picked up by old bill you could give false name and address. The OP mate couldnt  obviously as they had is car details.

Always wondered why street hookers don't go to university campus's. drunk students at end of a night out who have failed to pull and horny as fuck would be easy targets.

the RLD in Liverpool was slap bang in the middle of uni  when i frequented it

Often sat in lectures with one eye out the window see who was pounding the streets, had no shame those days. 

[hungrypunt]

If you hadnt taken part in any solicting then you had just gave a girl a lift, thats all. Whats the coppers said, if they have just asked questions and no crime has been recorded then that it, no problem.

[Diehard]

the RLD in Liverpool was slap bang in the middle of uni  when i frequented it

Often sat in lectures with one eye out the window see who was pounding the streets, had no shame those days.

Fuck! Went to wrong uni clearly. A quick fuck before a lecture would have meant I concentrated more on the subject being lectured on rather than the hotties sitting in front of me fantasising about fucking them.

[Stalinator]

Can you simply ignore an invite to the police station?  What's the worst that could happen?

They would have to arrest you to compel an interview, but even then you can simply "no comment" the whole way through.

The fact they want to interview means they have no evidence and want you to hang yourself by giving them a confession.

[Jimmyredcab]

The street scene has always tempted me but it seems a thing of the past .

I used the street scene on a regular basis in the eighties, that was well before the internet, I was lucky and only got a couple of verbal warnings, just as well because now I have to go through an enhanced DBS check every three years.

Why this guy went to HR for advice is a mystery -------------- also why would he stop to give a lift to a strange girl. ???

[smiths]

They would have to arrest you to compel an interview, but even then you can simply "no comment" the whole way through.

The fact they want to interview means they have no evidence and want you to hang yourself by giving them a confession.

Which is why the smart thing to do apart from not picking street WGs up in the first place is to say and do nothing without speaking to a Solicitor, whereas this guy went to his HR for some reason. Certainly not the smartest tool in the box.

[Knny]

They would have to arrest you to compel an interview, but even then you can simply "no comment" the whole way through.

The fact they want to interview means they have no evidence and want you to hang yourself by giving them a confession.

If they call you for an interview, can you simply ignor, or decline saying that you have nothing to say?  Wouldn't you be risking an arrest 'on suspicion' or something?

[vw]

If they call you for an interview, can you simply ignor, or decline saying that you have nothing to say?  Wouldn't you be risking an arrest 'on suspicion' or something?

on what basis, they have no evidence until you open your mouth.  The police prey on idiots to do their job for them. 


If they had enough to arrest him they would not be inviting him. 

[Stalinator]

If they call you for an interview, can you simply ignor, or decline saying that you have nothing to say?  Wouldn't you be risking an arrest 'on suspicion' or something?

You are free to ignore them and not give a reason. "Nothing to say" is a good enough reason.

If they had the evidence they would have you in cuffs and down the nick. They have nothing and want you to hang yourself. Don't do their job for them.

[The Midlander]

Declining to attend a 'voluntary' interview raises alarm bells with the police that you are hiding something, and may trigger a formal arrest on 'suspicion'.

Also, if your record is previously clean, by co-operating with the voluntary interview, you will likely get a lesser punishment, and even if charged, may not even have the cuffs put on, or 'stored' in the cells.  It is perfectly acceptable to have a solicitor attend the interview with you.

My experience was relating to a 'disturbance' in a pub rather than kerb-crawling, but I would guess that the police procedures are pretty similar.