70% of Prostitutes

[Matium]

Cameron has just said in his conference speech that "70% of prostitutes were once in care".

True or an example of whorephobia?

[fredpunter]

Would be interesting to know his source for that statistic. Maybe he has asked all the ones he has fucked.

[Machinegundummy]

Whats the other 30% Smack heads?

[Jimmyredcab]

Cameron has just said in his conference speech that "70% of prostitutes were once in care".

True or an example of whorephobia?

Total bullshit.     

To get accurate figures you would need to interview every prostitute in the country.   

[vw]

70% were from EE so as we subsidise the basket case countries it could be considered being in care.

[Silver Birch]

Whats the other 30% Smack heads?

Ahem! Courtesans actually 

[Matium]

I rather think it was a whorephobic comment using a figure that was plucked out of the air.

I think when UKP's prostitute members comment on this, it'll be seen that 70% were not brought up in care.

[CatBBW]

I rather think it was a whorephobic comment using a figure that was plucked out of the air.

I think when UKP's prostitute members comment on this, it'll be seen that 70% were not brought up in care.

Definitely whorephobia/whore shaming. I was brought up in a 2-parent family, they were married, I've never been in care (and thinking about it, I don't actually recall knowing anyone when I was at school who had ever been in care either).

[mh]

Cameron has just said in his conference speech that "70% of prostitutes were once in care".

True or an example of whorephobia?

It was 1 to 1 interviews of course. I assume he didn't say they were female?

Are we sure the original speech didn't say "still in care"? 

[NIK]

All statistics about the paid sex industry are bullshit. I wonder if Cameron has ever punted? I would imagine most politicians have at some time.
Perhaps he should buy my book for enlightenment?     I discuss why any figures are bullshit and it is as reliable as all the bloody 'surveys' put together. 

[mh]

All statistics about the paid sex industry are bullshit. I wonder if Cameron has ever punted? I would imagine most politicians have at some time.

I believe he's fucked some right pigs. Though I doubt he personally paid for them.
 

[sticko]

I believe he's fucked some right pigs. Though I doubt he personally paid for them.
 

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[Chocolate Starfish]

He got it from a 2004 Home Office document "Paying the Price".  I think one small study from going on 20 years ago suggested 70% of street hookers were once in care and he picked that one to publicise.  Other studies suggested a far lower figure but he chose not to consider those.  He's a politician remember so doesn't like facts.

[unclesweetheart]

Total bullshit.     

To get accurate figures you would need to interview every prostitute in the country.   

I guess he is basing the statistic on a sample of WGs and extrapolating from that. However as you say it's bollocks: too many variables, different kinds of sex workers etc.

[CatBBW]

He got it from a 2004 Home Office document "Paying the Price".  I think one small study from going on 20 years ago suggested 70% of street hookers were once in care and he picked that one to publicise.  Other studies suggested a far lower figure but he chose not to consider those.  He's a politician remember so doesn't like facts.

That figures. 20 years ago the internet/WWW didn't really exist in every day life, and indies (work from home) had to rely on phone box/newspaper/newsagent ads to bring in biz. A small survey of a handful of street workers 20 years ago probably would have shown the figures he quotes, but it's not at all relavent to anything in the grand scheme of things, apart from being able to quote stats from it to bolster your (weak) argument.

[fredpunter]

He got it from a 2004 Home Office document "Paying the Price".  I think one small study from going on 20 years ago suggested 70% of street hookers were once in care and he picked that one to publicise.  Other studies suggested a far lower figure but he chose not to consider those.  He's a politician remember so doesn't like facts.

Would be interesting to know what proportion of prostitutes are street hookers ... but I don't suppose anyone really knows that either

[Hawkwind71]

So when his wife is no longer able to have sex, or chooses not to for whatever reason, what is he going to do. Monk? Celibate?

Nah, he'll join ukp and punt like the rest of us.

These guys just like to spout BS until they are in that situation. 

[vw]

So when his wife is no longer able to have sex, or chooses not to for whatever reason, what is he going to do. Monk? Celibate?

Nah, he'll join ukp and punt like the rest of us.

No probably knowing his ilk go straight to the care home like so  many before him !

[mh]

No probably knowing his ilk go straight to the care home like so  many before him !

Is this the care home staffed by WGs someone else wrote about? I didn't realise it was the place just next door to the Commons...

[vw]

Is this the care home staffed by WGs someone else wrote about? I didn't realise it was the place just next door to the Commons...

All in the missing dosier !

[punk]

Cameron has just said in his conference speech that "70% of prostitutes were once in care".

True or an example of whorephobia?

Sounds crap, may be he has been talking to the all women are victim brigade again.

What about the other 30% where have they been?

[Dani]

I was brought up in a 2parent well off home and even sent to private school so I must be one of the 30%. However most of the prossies I know come from 2parent middle class families so 70% seems to not be talking about indoor workers as surely at least one of the prossies I know would have been in care if 70% was near accurate
I imagine a large percentage of pumped street workers come from the care system as I do know quite a few of those workers and all the ones I know either grew up in care or were homeless by early teens.

It's pure laziness to just announce this type of generalisation though. It could not possibly be confirmed and a quick online survey for sexworkers would get a much better outcome.  Even if only a hundred answered they could get a percentage of that hundred and say that x% of 100 sex workers were from the care system. It has to be more accurate than a survey of 20 odd years ago of street workers inly

[anyfucker]

I was brought up in a 2parent well off home and even sent to private school so I must be one of the 30%. However most of the prossies I know come from 2parent middle class families so 70% seems to not be talking about indoor workers as surely at least one of the prossies I know would have been in care if 70% was near accurate
I imagine a large percentage of pumped street workers come from the care system as I do know quite a few of those workers and all the ones I know either grew up in care or were homeless by early teens.

It's pure laziness to just announce this type of generalisation though. It could not possibly be confirmed and a quick online survey for sexworkers would get a much better outcome.  Even if only a hundred answered they could get a percentage of that hundred and say that x% of 100 sex workers were from the care system. It has to be more accurate than a survey of 20 odd years ago of street workers inly

Good points dani but this would be a "self selecting" survey so not considered best practice, but better than quoting some dodgy figures from long ago.

[Matium]

Cameron's comments in full:

"Every day three babies are born in Britain addicted to heroin," he declared. "70% of prostitutes were once in care. And tragically care leavers are four times more likely to commit suicide.

"What are setting them up for? The dole, the streets, an early grave?"

Note the whorephobia, note how he links prostitutes to drugs (heroin), broken homes (in care) and death (suicide).

The overall effect is to portray prostitutes as a destabilising force in Society and reinforce the age old link between Sex and Death and that sex outside of marriage is generally dirty and disgusting.

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[sarahjayneleeds]

Cameron has just said in his conference speech that "70% of prostitutes were once in care".

True or an example of whorephobia?
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Whorephobia without a doubt. Two parents here too, I don't tick any of the other "whorephobic" boxes either, such as sexual abuse, drugs, controlled by a pimp and working against my will blah, blah.

It makes me laugh sometimes as to where they get this information from and spout it for dramatic effect.  As he says in that article "What are we setting them up for ?  "The streets ?" It just shows how out of touch with reality he is the majority of prostitutes these days work indoors.

[Big Cat]

My god that is fucking stupid

"60% of the time, statistics are right every time" (or something)

[LoneWolf2020]

Would be interesting to know his source for that statistic.

he just asked all his regulars.

[tonysoprano]

I know at least 1 WG who worked in a care home. Earn 8 quid an hour or suck cock for 80 quid an hour. It's a no brainer really.

[tazz]

Maybe Natalie Rowe told George this

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And maybe George's brother told Cameron about all the prossies hes been with

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Makes you wounder if Cameron has any issues with prostitution when his closest friends dont

[Happylad]

Well, I don`t know about the streetwalker prossies, but I understood from their AW Profiles that 70% of `Escorts` were  University Graduates and the remaining 30% were film stars.

[Boundless]

73% of all statistics are rubbish.

[Cuntminion]

I generally don't like these stats as basically they poll conveniently or limited

Plus Cameron's a wanker

[winkywanky]

I think basically, society needs to deal with the fact that prostitution goes on (in a BIG way), and stop treating punters and prossies like lepers.

it's the oldest profession by a country mile and indulged in by people from all sorts of backgrounds, on both sides of the fence...including 'the great and the good' and our illustrious politicians. Fucking grow up!

If you de-stigmatise it you go a long way to getting rid of the criminal element including trafficking and coercion.

[vw]

I generally don't like these stats as basically they poll conveniently or limited

Plus Cameron's a wanker

they are from a 24 year old document that was written when the only option was street walking or phone box cards.  More dangerous then so the sensible girls we meet today stayed well away because they were brought up danger aware unlike many in care homes who accept danger as part of their upbringing.

[smiths]

Cameron has just said in his conference speech that "70% of prostitutes were once in care".

True or an example of whorephobia?

Its an example of complete bollocks spouted by a politician who doesn't know what he is talking about. I don't blindly believe any so called facts and figures about prostitution. In 2009/10 Harriet Harridan used a totally made up figure of 4000 trafficked for sex WGs to help get her coercion law through, the police investigation Operation Pentameters 1 and 2 found nowhere near that figure.

Why would most WGs or punters want or be prepared to answer questions whether supposedly anonymous or not, I wouldn't.

[Distraction]

I think basically, society needs to deal with the fact that prostitution goes on (in a BIG way), and stop treating punters and prossies like lepers.

it's the oldest profession by a country mile and indulged in by people from all sorts of backgrounds, on both sides of the fence...including 'the great and the good' and our illustrious politicians. Fucking grow up!

If you de-stigmatise it you go a long way to getting rid of the criminal element including trafficking and coercion.

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The fact this obvious truth seems to be ignored by so many who are anti-prostitution leads me to believe they have hidden reasons for their stance that they'd rather not admit.

Broadly speaking, I suspect the most common underlying reason for being against it is the thought process that "I wouldn't want my husband/daughter involved in it". A politician's never going to come out with that line though.

[smiths]

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The fact this obvious truth seems to be ignored by so many who are anti-prostitution leads me to believe they have hidden reasons for their stance that they'd rather not admit.

Broadly speaking, I suspect the most common underlying reason for being against it is the thought process that "I wouldn't want my husband/daughter involved in it". A politician's never going to come out with that line though.

Femi-Nazis like Harriet Harridan have a set view, prostitutes are victims of abuse and punters the abusers which is why she wanted to criminalise all punters, now she has gone to the back benches hopefully that wont happen.

Then femi-nazis like Julie Bindel who are very powerful in the media use that power to advance this same agenda doing their best to get the stereotypical portrayal of WGs as junkie street hookers and punters as kerb crawling criminals out to the public. Those lazy members of the public believe this guff because they choose not to look into the facts. The antis also have one big advantage, most WGs and punters aren't going to want to do interviews and speak out giving the facts.

[rthunderbird]

Cameron once again showing his weird anti-sex stance, first with the porn and now this lazy ass statistic.

[vw]

Cameron once again showing his weird anti-sex stance, first with the porn and now this lazy ass statistic.

These private school types are often repressed

Funny how he tries to ban normal straight sex but pushes same sex relationships, I think he is confused. 

Personally think the pigs head was code for being buggered but Lord Ashcroft was protecting some of the others that went wild up his aisle.

[Hawkwind71]

These private school types are often repressed

Funny how he tries to ban normal straight sex but pushes same sex relationships, I think he is confused. 

Personally think the pigs head was code for being buggered but Lord Ashcroft was protecting some of the others that went wild up his aisle.

and the bottom line is any law will not stop prostitution. My experience is with  the Canada sytem where punters were criminalised in December 2014. Except for cleaning up hotel car park loitering it hasn't made a blind bit of difference.

[Boundless]

I think basically, society needs to deal with the fact that prostitution goes on (in a BIG way), and stop treating punters and prossies like lepers.

it's the oldest profession by a country mile and indulged in by people from all sorts of backgrounds, on both sides of the fence...including 'the great and the good' and our illustrious politicians. Fucking grow up!

If you de-stigmatise it you go a long way to getting rid of the criminal element including trafficking and coercion.

Then the prossies will have to pay tax and NI and we'll have to pay VAT. 

[Vivago]

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Anon

[Distraction]

The antis also have one big advantage, most WGs and punters aren't going to want to do interviews and speak out giving the facts.

Yes very true.

[jimbobwood]

How about 70% of prostitutes have come from minimum wage jobs!

[KingAlpha]

All statistics about the paid sex industry are bullshit.

+1

[atomicredi]

Cameron has just said in his conference speech that "70% of prostitutes were once in care".

True or an example of whorephobia?


Whorephobia without a doubt. Two parents here too, I don't tick any of the other "whorephobic" boxes either, such as sexual abuse, drugs, controlled by a pimp and working against my will blah, blah.

It makes me laugh sometimes as to where they get this information from and spout it for dramatic effect.  As he says in that article "What are we setting them up for ?  "The streets ?" It just shows how out of touch with reality he is the majority of prostitutes these days work indoors.

Totally agree. I'm the same, stable 2 parent family background. No drugs, no pimps, no forced to work. I
Do this because I enjoy it and want to. I also pay tax as well, maybe I should stop paying taxes and see if the government like that one!

[Placebo88]

A thread on this same topic has recently started on SAAFE  and is worth a look.

It actually states the reference for his ' credible ' statistic - shocking , glad to know that the Toy Story reject running this country is so scrupulous in assessing the validity of his sources and keeping everything up to date !

Even with a proper attempt I cannot see how even a rough guess could be made at a statistic such as this.Cameron must have a high opinion of his voters' intelligence to actually think that many of them will blindly accept this nonsense.

[mh]

Cameron must have a high opinion of his voters' intelligence to actually think that many of them will blindly accept this nonsense.

He knows they will accept it and they will parrot it out as accepted fact. You ask them for the source and they have no idea. I'm sure Cameron himself has no idea, he didn't write the speech.

[squeezebox]

All statistics about the paid sex industry are bullshit. I wonder if Cameron has ever punted? I would imagine most politicians have at some time.
Perhaps he should buy my book for enlightenment?     I discuss why any figures are bullshit and it is as reliable as all the bloody 'surveys' put together. 

I suspect there's a well thumbed copy available in the library of the Whores of Commons.

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[Ben4454]

70%? What a load of bacon