Hotels

[MoonMan]

What's the deal with hotels and WGs?   There are two scenarios, a WG booking a room and seeing 'incalls' or a punter booking an 'outcall' in a hotel.  Clearly paying someone to spend some time with you is not illegal, and what you do in that time is your business.
But what is the hotel's take on this?  do they have a policy?  can you get into trouble in either scenario?

I had  an embarrassing experience in Birmingham where the car park had a barrier and the driver parked in a disabled space and the WG asked me to go and collect her, but a feisty (middle aged ) receptionist came out and challenged the parking...  and it was clear what was occurring, an oldish bloke, a very fit, immaculately dressed young lady and a shifty looking youth in a crap car...  I'm ashamed to say I sent her away with full payment, mainly because the receptionist was insisting the girl went with her ......  but I said no... 

Lesson learned...  but I don't know what lesson !!!!
Any thoughts people?

[martini2429]

Having taken women (non Escorts) back to hotels in London (I tend to use 2 hotels only), the problem you have is if the lift uses a key card or not, one Hotel has one the other hasn't, its the same when you book an escort to your hotel, they tend to arrive by taxi, so no problems with parking, if your hotel lift doesn't need a key card she can slip in practically unseen, if it has a key card then you will probably have to collect her from the Lobby, the Hotel I use without the need of a key card the lifts are before you get to Reception, so its in and out, no probs. May be best to ask her to arrive by taxi next time.

 

[Sedition]

In my experience, if YOU are booking the room, they generally don't give a fuck, and the more blatant you are in some respects the easier it is.
" My wife will be joining me later, parking, extra card  etc etc"
"No problem sir"
Bit different if you are a girl with half a dozen blokes a day knocking on her door, then a little circumspection is required.

[MoonMan]

But why do hotels care if their room is booked?

[latecomer]

I'm ashamed to say I sent her away with full payment

Lesson learned...  but I don't know what lesson !!!!
Any thoughts people?

Well I wouldn't have paid her a penny.  Nothing she can do about it.  If she'd started making a fuss it sounds as if the receptionist would soon have seen her off.

[MoonMan]

Yep, that was the lesson learned...  the balance of power when you start is firmly in their grip..

[MoonMan]

But does anyone know what hotel policy is?

[Anadin]

The problem for hotels usually is indiscreet WGs seeing loads of clients out of a room that then gets noticed by other guests. I mean if I booked a hotel and could constantly hear a procession of blokes coming and going then fucking I'd probably be pissed too.

On the other hand a single bloke bringing a lady friend back to his hotel won't attract any attention at all unless she looks like a caricature of a hooker or she's previously been booted out. I mean shit how many blokes have fucked their mistresses in hotels it's probably a good source of income for them. That being said nowt you can do if an employee thinks they know what's going on and chooses to embarass you if they think they can.

[MoonMan]

"looks like a hooker and has been booted out before"?   but what for?

[dwaynepaine]

Hotel policy will be different for each hotel. It'll depend upon a lot of factors - the way the hotel is setup, how frequent it's used for meets and if there is any trouble.
Hotel near me was used by a couple of girls shortly after it was opened and the hotel staff knew what was going on but because they didn't cause any trouble they weren't bothered.
I've used a couple of chain hotels for outcalls (and photoshoots) and only had strange looks once.
 

[king tarzan]

Never do hotels never want to add additional cost on top of honey fees..
Don't like outcalls as once had a terrible outcall with a polish bitch and another outcall with a woman who took a liking to my stereo stack system.
Made well paranoid for a few days that I might get burgled!!
Far too intrusive outcalls at home..
Prefer incalls as I have the open no obligation option to leave without losing a penny/pound if her attitude is shit or trying to con me..

[Malvolio]

But does anyone know what hotel policy is?

It depends on the hotel, and how much the staff at the time give a shit.  You say 'can you get into trouble' - I can't see that the police are going to get involved, but you could face embarrassment and being told you're not welcome in that hotel again as a worst-case scenario.

Personally I'm happy to do incalls and don't see the point in the extra spending on the hotel room for a punt.   

[BlueRock]

In my experience the hotel doesn't give a toss. it's more if you can handle it. I've booked in had a fuck a chat and a shower then booked out a the same day. They look at you funny now and then. Goes on a lot in some cities how else do young Asians have a fuck when their homes are full of their parents or codgers all day.

[Anadin]

"looks like a hooker and has been booted out before"?   but what for?

Like I said for being an indiscreet hooker otherwise they probably know and don't care.

[Steely Dan]

I can't find a link to the law.  But my understanding there is nothing illegal so they can't involve police.  However they can ask guests to leave for bad behaviour, so an escort can be removed.  If they refuse to go, they then I suppose they could involve the police.  Similar to a pub kicking out bad drinkers.  Since 2 escorts working in the same hotel would make it a brothel, clearly they must have a way to stop that.  None if this is to say it is common or likely.  It is rare if escorts have even a little common sense.

For a punter having a single outcall, it is trickier to understand how they can mess with you.  But like a pub landlord, they might have some leeway.  And so if they tell you to leave, will you really stand your ground? To even be noticed though, you would have to do something really bad, like having her driver park in a disabled space.

I did once get asked by the hotel to leave when on an incall in a hotel.  Hotel staff knocked on the door after I had been in the room about 15 minutes. And demanded to speak to the escort and told me to go.  Shit.  I grabbed my shit and left.  Turned out it was not the hotel who booted me out but her pimp/BF who was part of the scam.

[Revolver69]

I did once get asked by the hotel to leave when on an incall in a hotel.  Hotel staff knocked on the door after I had been in the room about 15 minutes. And demanded to speak to the escort and told me to go.  Shit.  I grabbed my shit and left.  Turned out it was not the hotel who booted me out but her pimp/BF who was part of the scam.

eek! how did you find out it was a scam?   Im guessing if you scuttled away you'd just think the hotel staff member was genuine. In hindsight if one had the balls, you'd ask to take the staff member and the escort down to reception to discuss it, and see what the reaction was.

[The Bandit 5342]

I haven't done a hotel booking for a while - but - I am not certain that them not giving a monkeys is always right.

Three years or so ago I used one two or three times so I could see my favourite lady away from her incall which was horrible.

Then I tried to book the place again and was told that I would have to provide proof of the identity of anyone accompanying me.

OK - an older guy with a young lady in tow but we were careful - left the key cards in the room, didn't leave the room a mess - but they spotted something. 

[PatMacGroin]

I can't find a link to the law.  But my understanding there is nothing illegal so they can't involve police.  However they can ask guests to leave for bad behaviour, so an escort can be removed.  If they refuse to go, they then I suppose they could involve the police.  Similar to a pub kicking out bad drinkers.  Since 2 escorts working in the same hotel would make it a brothel, clearly they must have a way to stop that.  None if this is to say it is common or likely.  It is rare if escorts have even a little common sense.

I was wondering about that. There are apparently clear definitions of a brothel with lots of grey areas, when you try to discuss specific scenarios. This is a fairly straight forward explanation of the basics, External Link/Members Only

From what I've read, there and elsewhere, I would have thought:

- Two WG's sharing and working from the same room, would technically make the premises a brothel.

- Two WG's working from separate rooms in the same hotel and using each other for security/support. This would again technically make the premises a brothel. Even if they are seeing different punters and not doing duo's, they are only aware they are both working.

- Two WG's in different rooms with absolutely no idea of the existence of the other, should not be regarded as a brothel.

- However, say Mr Magoo runs a small hotel with 3 rooms. 1 room has a genuine guest. 2 rooms have WG's that have no idea about each other. Plod turns up and sees the comings and goings. Magoo is financially benefiting from the use of those rooms. Would plod believe everyone is completely unaware of what is going on? What percentage of genuine to WG occupants would be required for plod and the courts to accept a hotel was not aware of what was going on?

I'd say Hotels have to be seen to operate a zero tolerance policy, just incase.

[daviemac]

I was wondering about that. There are apparently clear definitions of a brothel with lots of grey areas, when you try to discuss specific scenarios. This is a fairly straight forward explanation of the basics, External Link/Members Only

From what I've read, there and elsewhere, I would have thought:

- Two WG's sharing and working from the same room, would technically make the premises a brothel.

- Two WG's working from separate rooms in the same hotel and using each other for security/support. This would again technically make the premises a brothel. Even if they are seeing different punters and not doing duo's, they are only aware they are both working.

- Two WG's in different rooms with absolutely no idea of the existence of the other, should not be regarded as a brothel.

- However, say Mr Magoo runs a small hotel with 3 rooms. 1 room has a genuine guest. 2 rooms have WG's that have no idea about each other. Plod turns up and sees the comings and goings. Magoo is financially benefiting from the use of those rooms. Would plod believe everyone is completely unaware of what is going on? What percentage of genuine to WG occupants would be required for plod and the courts to accept a hotel was not aware of what was going on?

I'd say Hotels have to be seen to operate a zero tolerance policy, just incase.

That is not correct, two girls can work in separate rooms in the same building even a house, they do have to have separate rental agreements though for example a HMO. A hotel would be covered by this, as each one would be renting an individual room. They have to work separately though they aren't allowed to work together.  In the case of a house separate rental agreements may not preclude it from being a brothel.

[Anadin]

That is not correct, two girls can work in separate rooms in the same building even a house, they do have to have separate rental agreements though for example a HMO. A hotel would be covered by this, as each one would be renting an individual room. They have to work separately though they aren't allowed to work together.  In the case of a house separate rental agreements may not preclude it from being a brothel.

I dunno that sounds like a clever argument you have in court, I suspect that won't stop the police shutting the premises down on the day and kicking punters out.

[Dopedj]

Nothing wrong with incalls in a hotel but all depends on the escort if she's discrete and sensible
Have met some in hotels who are absolutely indiscreet--screaming and making loud sex noises
  I know an escort who used a hotel room for her Incall base for over year and the management didn't know --she just recently moved into her own flat. 

[yorkshirepunter3333]

In the olden days, before AdultWork, I used to ask for a yellow pages at od times like 1AM, sometimes it would come with the escort pages torn out. Off course I used to try to book hotels that had the yellow pages in each room.

But, as other says, dont worry about it, meet the girl outside if you need to and fuck what they think.

I once saw a girl, and the next day they added an extra breakfast to my bill, I said.. she dident stay the night

[two20]

I've only done one to a Premier Inn. She gave me the brief on staircase and room number but the staff never took any notice of me. Probably being a bit older makes you look less dodgy.

[shagmore]

If you are booking the hotel for 2 people, they can not say anything really. However if the prossie books the room, then they could say that they are running a business from their premises which is not allowed (no doubt health and safety  )

[AllenTheMan]

I've read some stories on here about interuptions but in all honesty I don't image the hotel giving much of a toss. As long as you're being discreet.

I've had a few outcalls to hotels, generally met the girl outside and round the corner then just walk in together, if it's a big hotel nobody gives you a second glance.

[Sparta Prada]

I went on a punt yesterday in a hotel which is known for this hobby. The hotel has had a refurb and you can only get to the rooms via a keycard which I didn't obviously have. It took 3 phone calls for the girl to try to explain how I could get to her room 

Review to follow, borderline positive at the moment.

[Steely Dan]

eek! how did you find out it was a scam?   Im guessing if you scuttled away you'd just think the hotel staff member was genuine. In hindsight if one had the balls, you'd ask to take the staff member and the escort down to reception to discuss it, and see what the reaction was.

Was a while ago.  I was less certain of the law, a bit nervous and so on.  I still prefer to stay under the radar.  But I did leave fast, and as I though about it when back in my car, I was thinking scam.  Then another punter reported the same thing with the same girl. Confirmed.  Not sure even today I want to argue with a pimp in a hotel corridor. Escaping and posting a negative is still probably all I would do.

[Alvin]

Most hotels are fine, some seem to be set up specifically for it with staff knowing exactly what is going on.

I've had one that when I came down the male receptionist gave me a thumbs up.  I've also been in the room where the WG had requested additional towels, when they delivered them I had to hide in the bathroom, made sure I had one of the new towels when it came to having my shower.

[wannabe]

Hotel policy will be different for each hotel. It'll depend upon a lot of factors - the way the hotel is setup, how frequent it's used for meets and if there is any trouble.
Hotel near me was used by a couple of girls shortly after it was opened and the hotel staff knew what was going on but because they didn't cause any trouble they weren't bothered.
 

Completely agree. A wg told me when she arrived at her usual chain hotel (on tour) she recognised some other girls in the bar -- they all knew each other, its used by lots of girls. The manager of the hotel knew, and was actually a punter himself apparently. So no probs for girls at that hotel. Other hotels might think they have a reputation to protect, so be much more difficult.

[MoonMan]

There was one time when the WG left, and before I'd shut the door, I'm sure she'd knocked on another door, three rooms down !!!!

[Oxfordswing]

I use chain hotels, often just for a few hours, then just leave and the door cards are left on the desk for the maid to find in the morning. Been doing it for years, mainly in London, and never had a problem

I prefer outcalls to my hotel. I like being in my own environment and usually find sp's homes to be hit and miss, either untidy, unmade beds (probably still with the last punters spunk still soaking in to the sheets and nosey neighbours.

I always book the room for two people. Always get given two key cards. Don't normally need them but if I am meeting in the bar first it is just a security blanket in case anyone asks. (They never have)

Good day use hotels to use are near the busy London stations especially the ones near Euston / St Pancras. They have travelers in all day any day.

I've never done an "incall" to a hotel, but all my reasons above are enough to put me off

[MoonMan]

So what happened to asking for an "extra pillow"?  didn't that instruct the concierge to arrange a 'lady of the night' to come to your room?

[PatMacGroin]

That is not correct, two girls can work in separate rooms in the same building even a house, they do have to have separate rental agreements though for example a HMO. A hotel would be covered by this, as each one would be renting an individual room. They have to work separately though they aren't allowed to work together.  In the case of a house separate rental agreements may not preclude it from being a brothel.

I dunno that sounds like a clever argument you have in court, I suspect that won't stop the police shutting the premises down on the day and kicking punters out.

I think this probably would be one of those cases on the finer points of the law that solicitors and barristers would just love to bill right the way through to the Supreme Court. It would take an awful lot of payment in kind SP bookings to cover that invoice!

In an effort to defend my point above against Daviemacs HMO example. It's possible separate contracts could demonstrate that they are not working together, however that fact on its own is not proof:

"However, where rooms or flats in one building are let separately to different individuals offering sexual services; it may be treated as a brothel only if the individuals are effectively working together. Donovan v Gavin [1965] 2 QB 648 established that the letting of individual rooms in a house under separate tenancies and to different prostitutes does not necessarily preclude the house, or parts of it, from being a brothel."
- External Link/Members Only

I believe that in practice it would be assumed the girls in the HMO are working together. If the police decided to prosecute, the WG's would have to provide some pretty strong evidence that they weren't. The fact of their proximity would be enough to make most juries accept it. A barrister would only have to point to something very simple to reinforce the idea they were working together.

The circumstances in a Hotel are different, but it wouldn't take much to show that they are not that different, especially if it could be proved the two WG's knew each other.

And finally, it is an offence for a landlord to let the whole or part of his property be used as a brothel. So the Hotels have to be a bit wary, they can argue that most of their guests value their privacy so they can't pay too much attention to what is going on in their hotel rooms. But, if there are regular complaints made....

[daviemac]

The circumstances in a Hotel are different, but it wouldn't take much to show that they are not that different, especially if it could be proved the two WG's knew each other.

To my knowledge there has never been a case where a hotel has been raided as a brothel, by hotel I mean a regular chain hotel that the WG's use, not the doss-house types. Houses, flats and massage parlours, yes, they are raided regularly.
I would be very interested in reading about any such cases you know about.

There was one hotel closed a few years ago in Wembley, but that wasn't a big chain hotel and was closed for drug use, prostitution was only alleged.   

At the end of the day I'm not really interested in what the legal profession may or may not make of it, as with anything in life, I look at the legalities of what I'm doing, form my own opinions and make my own decisions on the risk involved. My opinion on this is there is zero risk in punting in hotels as far as brothel laws are concerned, others should do there own risk assessment. 

[Steely Dan]

The boundary of the brothel law is of little interest as I'm not going to break it.  I wont run a brothel by accident.

While the risk is vanishingly small (don't worry boys), I'm curious about the powers of the hotel manager.  If I book a room, and a escort comes to visit me for an hour, can the hotel ban her from coming in to my room?  Can they tell me to leave the hotel immediately?

[PatMacGroin]

To my knowledge there has never been a case where a hotel has been raided as a brothel, by hotel I mean a regular chain hotel that the WG's use, not the doss-house types. Houses, flats and massage parlours, yes, they are raided regularly.
I would be very interested in reading about any such cases you know about.

I agree, I doubt a regular large chain hotel would be raided as a brothel, and I'm not aware of any cases where one has been. I wouldn't be surprised if some smaller independent hotels have been, but it was probably more common way back in the 70's and 80's. This looks like the one you've mentioned in Wembley, more of a doss house than a hotel: External Link/Members Only

It won't stop me seeing a WG in a hotel, although I rarely do outcalls. I just put it forward of a possible reason why the hotels can be cautious.

As a landlord myself I am interested in how I could be affected, especially with the more rigorous controls being introduced for HMO's. I'm pretty sure I'm not renting to any WG's at the moment. Had my suspicions about some girls in the past, but that was probably punter thinking, or plain wishful thinking. Even considered offering to rent a flat to a WG I had seen a few times, but that was definitely just Mini Paddy thinking!

[RobinBrod]

I've used 2 hotels for outcalls since I started punting 18 months ago. One in Greenwich, which did not need a key card, and it was easy for the WG to walk past reception to the lifts. Secondly, a well-known whore-house central, not a million miles from Ken High Street tube! That does need key cards for the lifts. I've used it for short time meets - 2 hours - as well as for overnights. Different WGs rerspond differently in my experience. Some say "no problems, just give me the room number" and get through without an issue. Some of these I suspect know the concierges and are let through past reception with a smile and a wink. Others I have met in the bar or the lobby. I have never had a problem with anybody (yet!)

I have also been to In calls in hotels, both were very smart and neither needed key cards for the lifts. Walking past reception was easy. The last occasion, when I met the WG outside for a drink first, we were slightly concerned when the receptionist stopped us and said to the WG "You are leaving at 10.00 aren't you?" Slightly threw her and also me!

My take on hotels is just to walk past looking unconcerned. The busier it is the better. I guess that hotels know exactly what is going on. Whatever happens between consenting adults is not their concern, and I often reckon that the hotel staff often partake as well.

[Jay189]

Anyone been stopped by reception? I did last week at holiday inn.

Was walking to the lifts like I usually do, and the guy at the desk stops me to ask me where I was going or what I was doing here. I said I was visiting a mate, he goes what room number so he can ring them to confirm ffs.

I said don't worry and walked out. Rang the WG and she met me outside the hotel and she said sorry it's never happened before. Didn't do the punt cos she said it would now look suspicious.

[Anadin]

Anyone been stopped by reception? I did last week at holiday inn.

Was walking to the lifts like I usually do, and the guy at the desk stops me to ask me where I was going or what I was doing here. I said I was visiting a mate, he goes what room number so he can ring them to confirm ffs.

I said don't worry and walked out. Rang the WG and she met me outside the hotel and she said sorry it's never happened before. Didn't do the punt cos she said it would now look suspicious.

It's never happened to me but you know it's always a possibility and that is why I kinda hate them, I mean what can you do in that situation? because you know whatever name you have it's bullshit so can't really give that to them and if you cough up a room number you could simply be outting a WG.

Ideally if I had the money I would only ever do outcalls, all the stress is eliminated you'll never have to worry about the journey or being late and knowing that your appointment might be cancelled.

Thankfully big chain hotels are usually pretty anonymous but all it takes is one incident before you get there and suddenly they're on their toes about all visitors.

[The Swan]

Another angle on this. Most WG's look to ring you in your room when you book an outcall. Thats fine but they need your name when they ring reception. I for one have no intention of giving a WG my real name. The days of booking a hotel room under a different name online are all but gone. Has anyone else noticed this? Very few chains have the "Guest Name" section that allows you call yourself Joe Bloggs or whatever. Those that do can ask for the card you booked the room (with real name on it!) or ID (had that in Liverpool recently). I know there are disposable visa cards available but I'm mostly based in Ireland and they are no longer available there. Also with the law changes in Ireland the last thing you'd want is a WG ringing the hotel looking to be put through to the room. Any thoughts on ways around this in terms of booking with an alternative name? Hope this makes sense?

[Anadin]

Another angle on this. Most WG's look to ring you in your room when you book an outcall. Thats fine but they need your name when they ring reception

Do they? They haven't on the handful of outcalls I've done through AW.

[latecomer]

The boundary of the brothel law is of little interest as I'm not going to break it.  I wont run a brothel by accident.

While the risk is vanishingly small (don't worry boys), I'm curious about the powers of the hotel manager.  If I book a room, and a escort comes to visit me for an hour, can the hotel ban her from coming in to my room?  Can they tell me to leave the hotel immediately?

I would guess the answer is yes, the hotel manager can do whatever he wants.  On the other hand, I think it's most unlikely he would, unless you're causing trouble - or the girl has caused trouble previously.

[The Swan]

Do they? They haven't on the handful of outcalls I've done through AW.

Some do, some don't. Its on their AW booking request page. Sometimes it has to be explained that some hotels don't have phones in the rooms these days.......that's more of it.   

[Autopunter]

I've banged escorts in a few hotels as incalls, and twice as outcalls to my room.

Much more stressful in my opinion, but better than outcalls to my house where I have five roommates.

So many women can only do outcalls it's a shame to cut yourself off from them by never trying it.

[Jubilee]

As a disabled person who has booked a London escort to visit me in the local Premier Inn in Essex this Friday, when I booked the room over the phone I said my girlfriend would be joining me at about 7 pm and could they have a second key card ready for her when she arrived. The woman on the phone said that was OK and she'd put my girlfriend's name on the booking form. It was the escort's idea for me to get a second key card for her as I've never punted before and couldn't work out how to get past the door into the bedroom corridor. I don't foresee any problems but if anyone has had any problems with Premier Inn I'd be grateful if you'd let me know and how you overcame them. 

[The Swan]

As a disabled person who has booked a London escort to visit me in the local Premier Inn in Essex this Friday, when I booked the room over the phone I said my girlfriend would be joining me at about 7 pm and could they have a second key card ready for her when she arrived. The woman on the phone said that was OK and she'd put my girlfriend's name on the booking form. It was the escort's idea for me to get a second key card for her as I've never punted before and couldn't work out how to get past the door into the bedroom corridor. I don't foresee any problems but if anyone has had any problems with Premier Inn I'd be grateful if you'd let me know and how you overcame them.

You should be fine Jubilee, just make sure she uses the name you gave for her when booking the room!!
Most importantly enjoy the punt.

[Jubilee]

Thanks The Swan, Don't mind admitting I'm nervous and excited at the same time - feels like I've got a butterfly house in my stomach. Any hints, tips and advice for preparing  for the punt and during the punt would be gratefully appreciated. She sounds a lovely girl and she's bringing a few snacks with her. Fingers crossed all goes well.

[manc36]

Thanks The Swan, Don't mind admitting I'm nervous and excited at the same time - feels like I've got a butterfly house in my stomach. Any hints, tips and advice for preparing  for the punt and during the punt would be gratefully appreciated. She sounds a lovely girl and she's bringing a few snacks with her. Fingers crossed all goes well.

Ohh a first punt, I found it very nerve racking , I had never even seen what she looked like, it was just a number in the daily sport in those days then off to find her flat, no doubt you have seen her and not got a fat dog like I had , plus you have lots of info here - in that regard you have aadvantage but the butterflies were a bit of a killer but add to it.

I don't know, get yourself there nice and early and relax the best you can and don't worry about the woman getting in as it will be fine at a Premier inn, the staff have seen it all before and remember you are paying, the woman is there to please you - not so much the other way around.

It's exciting as fuck, enjoy - hope you have a good one mate .

[manc36]

Regarding the Premier inn, I have used them a few times but never thought of getting the girl to pick up a key card at the desk, bare in mind I am 40 and met quite a few girls off SA who are between 18-23 , I generally go out and meet them after I have booked in and just walk through reception with them and take them to my room.

It can feel a little awkward at first but it's pretty much a ' fuck it ' attitude because hotel staff really don't care and I don't either because I know I will be balls deep shortly.

[Jubilee]

Thanks manc36 for your kind words and advice, they're much appreciated. I do feel a bit old, 38, to be popping my cherry but Lia Amelia seem a nice girl, very friendly phone manner and I'm sure she'll make it a night to remember! Will keep you updated.