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Offline Hobbit

So I was contemplating my life the other day and thinking how much I have spent on hookers over the past 20 years or so and how I could have saved that money and perhaps invested it somewhere more beneficial. Lately, my average spend has been around £1000 a month, and thinking about it, It was actually getting me a little down until I spoke to a friend of mine who said to me that "Look at it this way if you were married or had a girlfriend it would be costing you much more. The number of times you would take her out on dates, holidays, gifts, and then having children (which most likely she would want). All of this plus more would add up to be considerably much more expensive than seeing a hooker on a regular basis. On top of that, there would be less variety as you would be tied down to one person, and seeing a hooker means you can change and see someone else whenever you want".

Obviously depending on how much you spend would determine your answer, but do you agree that a hooker is cheaper than having a wife or girlfriend?

Offline Mr_Shins

But do you want more to your life with women than just sex?

That's why I use sites like Whats Your Price so I can get "dates" too and it costs a lot less than it would to take my regular escort out, because she would charge the same hourly rate regardless of what we are doing.

Wives though pose potential problems when the relationship ends and they expect half of everything if not more, without giving you anything in return anymore. And of course, if they find out you are seeing escorts, that is likely to be the outcome.


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My wife has a £100K pa pension - I'll stick around a bit longer and use mine for punting and holidays.

Offline Hobbit

But do you want more to your life with women than just sex?

That's why I use sites like Whats Your Price so I can get "dates" too and it costs a lot less than it would to take my regular escort out, because she would charge the same hourly rate regardless of what we are doing.

Wives though pose potential problems when the relationship ends and they expect half of everything if not more, without giving you anything in return anymore. And of course, if they find out you are seeing escorts, that is likely to be the outcome.

I do but it's very difficult to find women that you can actually click with. If I don't find them intelligent, articulate, or fun to be with then it can be quite boring and then all you can think about is shagging them. Ultimately, it's always about sex at the end of the day, it may start off like it's something different but the sexual attraction is usually the drive that sets you off.

I think marriage is the final nail in the coffin and anyone who decides to go that way thinking they are in love will sadly find out the hard way that love is nothing but a ticking timebomb that usually goes off after 2 or 3 years leaving you shattered into pieces, homeless and broke.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2021, 11:54:55 am by Hobbit »

Offline Billy no mates

I really don’t think this is a viable decision. My partner is my best friend, and my soulmate, you cannot put a price on that.

Just having someone who gets into bed an hour before me, every night, whilst I play Xbox, and then let’s me put my cold bits on her is beyond a physical ‘price’.

I imagine you’re friend is in an unhappy marriage/relationship so his views are a representation of that.

(I still get the best sex from my wife)

Offline Payyourwaymate

Considering financial terms alone, yes it is. Ask married members why they cannot get divorced. They'll never be able to financially recover from it, let alone taking the kids into account and other variables.

Girlfriends are cheaper when you are younger and both broke but then you are stuck to just one unless you are prepared to cheat on her. However, you will lose the equivalent in time and emotional investment in trying to get multiple women not using money or just staying with one. It's far more convenient to pay in terms of finances and time spent. Unless you become addicted, then that is a different issue all together.

Although, it depends what you want. Some men want a GF and are happy ignoring the finances. Some want multiple women and ignore the finances, some are pragmatic and look at the pros and cons, compare them and make a decision which would ultimately lead to their benefit. In pure financial terms though, as I said at the start; yes...it is cheaper long term to use providers instead of getting GFs for sex if you are not looking for "love" and "family life".

Offline Hobbit

I really don’t think this is a viable decision. My partner is my best friend, and my soulmate, you cannot put a price on that.

Just having someone who gets into bed an hour before me, every night, whilst I play Xbox, and then let’s me put my cold bits on her is beyond a physical ‘price’.

I imagine you’re friend is in an unhappy marriage/relationship so his views are a representation of that.

(I still get the best sex from my wife)

The question is still viable because its asking about financial cost and not about whether your wife is your soulmate or cellmate.

Actually, he's single and has no intention of ever getting married. You're probably the exception and you must have good communication with each other which is built on trust, transparency, and intimacy. So you are lucky. Unfortunately many are not.


Offline Buttons

Pointless discussion. It’s comparing apples to oranges.

OP if you are genuinely worried and concerned about spending £1k a month on SP’s over a sustained period, then you should maybe seek some professional addiction help. Sounds to me like you realise you have a problem.

Offline Hobbit

Pointless discussion. It’s comparing apples to oranges.

OP if you are genuinely worried and concerned about spending £1k a month on SP’s over a sustained period, then you should maybe seek some professional addiction help. Sounds to me like you realise you have a problem.

Thanks for your concern.

I think if anyone was not concerned about spending large amounts of money then they would be broke or locked up.

Let's make it simpler. What I'm saying is that do you spend more money on your wife or girlfriend to get sex than a SP?

The question is not pointless as it's based on financial cost only. Some people just don't get it.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2021, 12:35:45 pm by Hobbit »

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Thanks for your concern.

I think if anyone was not concerned about spending large amounts of money then they would be broke or locked up.

Let's make it simpler. What I'm saying is that do you spend more money on your wife or girlfriend to get sex than a SP?

The question is not pointless as it's based on financial cost only. Some people just don't get it.
I've been married twice and never paid either wife for sex directly. With an escort I pay a set amount for a set time in order to have sex. With a wife who isn't working I paid all living expenses and that worked out an awful lot more than what I spend on punting.

I'm struggling to understand how the two completely different scenarios can be compared. It's like trying to compare running a car and using a taxi as a one off on a night out.

Offline fisherofsouls

I really don’t think this is a viable decision. My partner is my best friend, and my soulmate, you cannot put a price on that.

Just having someone who gets into bed an hour before me, every night, whilst I play Xbox, and then let’s me put my cold bits on her is beyond a physical ‘price’.

I imagine you’re friend is in an unhappy marriage/relationship so his views are a representation of that.

(I still get the best sex from my wife)

We are all different I suppose.  There were many good sides to being married, but I never did get used to sharing a bed.

Nowadays I live alone and absolutely relish it.  On the odd occasion where I have someone in my bed (like the Metro Bank lady), I relish that too, but I wouldn't want her there every night.

I keep myself healthy and reasonably fit, I can still pick up the odd woman (again Metro Bank lady) and I have the pick of young women on the game and/or in massage joints to service my urges.

On the topic of compatibility, I got along fine (for many years) with my ex-wife, but there was never really a meeting of minds.  I have female friends I am much closer to mentallly, but we've never dallied...  If only I could have met someone I fancied AND clicked with, life might have turned out different...


Offline Hobbit

I've been married twice and never paid either wife for sex directly. With an escort I pay a set amount for a set time in order to have sex. With a wife who isn't working I paid all living expenses and that worked out an awful lot more than what I spend on punting.

I'm struggling to understand how the two completely different scenarios can be compared. It's like trying to compare running a car and using a taxi as a one off on a night out.

Try breaking down the costs of running a car to a monthly set amount and then compare it to a taxi every month.

Offline Hobbit

We are all different I suppose.  There were many good sides to being married, but I never did get used to sharing a bed.

Nowadays I live alone and absolutely relish it.  On the odd occasion where I have someone in my bed (like the Metro Bank lady), I relish that too, but I wouldn't want her there every night.

I keep myself healthy and reasonably fit, I can still pick up the odd woman (again Metro Bank lady) and I have the pick of young women on the game and/or in massage joints to service my urges.

On the topic of compatibility, I got along fine (for many years) with my ex-wife, but there was never really a meeting of minds.  I have female friends I am much closer to mentallly, but we've never dallied...  If only I could have met someone I fancied AND clicked with, life might have turned out different...

The advantage of sleeping in your own bed is that you can fart and turnover whenever you want  :D

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Try breaking down the costs of running a car to a monthly set amount and then compare it to a taxi every month.
It's chalk and cheese mate, a wife or partner is there all the time and there's a lot more to life than just sex. See an escort and it's only for one reason and that's sex. It's the same with a car, your own car is used for all kinds of things whereas a taxi is for one reason.

As I just don't get how a comparison can be made I'll bow out of this thread.

Offline GreyDave

Try breaking down the costs of running a car to a monthly set amount and then compare it to a taxi every month.

:hi: I would say pretty good comparison BUT :dance: Having 1 ex misses and 2 ex livin partners I add its like having a brand new car or car or what ever type you feel like  :yahoo: :yahoo:

Emma Butt equal to hire of Bentley GT for a shag :cool:

Rather than that Mk4 Cortina which has seen better days but youre still paying the finace and expenses running :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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Offline BRBRBR

Women are obsolete in 2021. I use hookers for sex, Mollymaids for household chores and on the rare ocassions I need a female partner for social events, ask a friend.

if you think a woman will stick around when you are poor or sick, or when she has a better offer, you are very much mistaken.
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Women are obsolete in 2021. I use hookers for sex, Mollymaids for household chores and on the rare ocassions I need a female partner for social events, ask a friend.

if you think a woman will stick around when you are poor or sick, or when she has a better offer, you are very much mistaken.
But you used women for all of the above though  :lol: :unknown:

Offline GreyDave

if you think a woman will stick around when you are poor or sick, or when she has a better offer, you are very much mistaken.

Seen several mates and myself gone though these scenes 2 mates who lost good jobs lost wifes kids ect then 3 others wives left when they got sick 2 now dead  one just about alive being cared for by elderly mum MS sufferer , myself 1st wife left for a BBC ( he then left her with two kids :D :D ) closest shave ive ever had to be wanting to top myself  :(   Other partners went off with work mates who had expense account type jobs....I am just a selfemployed general trades man in refit game....There are diamonds out there but its a Euro lotto win to get one  :hi: :hi:
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Offline Punterperson1971

Women are obsolete in 2021. I use hookers for sex, Mollymaids for household chores and on the rare ocassions I need a female partner for social events, ask a friend.

if you think a woman will stick around when you are poor or sick, or when she has a better offer, you are very much mistaken.
That’s a load of bollocks not all women are hard faced creatures and men can just be as bad as women

Offline Hobbit

It's chalk and cheese mate, a wife or partner is there all the time and there's a lot more to life than just sex. See an escort and it's only for one reason and that's sex. It's the same with a car, your own car is used for all kinds of things whereas a taxi is for one reason.

As I just don't get how a comparison can be made I'll bow out of this thread.

But that's not what I was asking. I am only talking about sex and the cost of it. Many of you are talking about the benefits of marriage and how it doesn't compare but all of that is redundant as I am not talking about that. My basic premise was that if you compare the amount of money you spend on your wife a month i.e. buying gifts, taking her out, yearly holidays et cetera, and then you compare that to the cost of seeing a hooker every month or yearly. Which one is cheaper or do they cost the same?

That is all that I am asking. I don't care about the benefits of marriage, love etc.
« Last Edit: December 27, 2021, 03:08:55 pm by Hobbit »

Offline Thephoenix

A hooker might be cheaper than a wife.
A wife might be cheaper than a hooker.
It depends on how much you care to spend on hooker/wife. :unknown:

One thing's for sure....hooker+wife = most money, but can have other benefits as stated.
So it's difficult to make financial comparisons.

Maybe it's like asking the question... Would you rather have a Rolls Royce, or a Rolls Royce & a pair of slippers? :rolleyes:

Offline markballoon

I think there a few bitter people on this thread.  As others have said you can't compare the two on cash alone.   You can have the time of your life for £150 for the hour or you can have a priceless time with a loving partner.

Offline king tarzan

Try breaking down the costs of running a car to a monthly set amount and then compare it to a taxi every month.

My car costs me £150 a month to run.. ( thankfully no wear and tear on it it yet..🙏🙏🙏)
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Offline king tarzan

I think there a few bitter people on this thread.  As others have said you can't compare the two on cash alone.   You can have the time of your life for £150 for the hour or you can have a priceless time with a loving partner.

Try eating Macdonald's 3 times a day for 30 days!!

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But that's not what I was asking. I am only talking about sex and the cost of it. Many of you are talking about the benefits of marriage and how it doesn't compare but all of that is redundant as I am not talking about that. My basic premise was that if you compare the amount of money you spend on your wife a month i.e. buying gifts, taking her out, yearly holidays et cetera, and then you compare that to the cost of seeing a hooker every month or yearly. Which one is cheaper or do they cost the same?

That is all that I am asking. I don't care about the benefits of marriage, love etc.
You can't isolate and put a price on one part of a whole package, or if you can I would like to hear how it can be done. (Rhetorical question)

In a relationship the mortgage, utilities, food etc etc are all paid as part of the package, in among that there will be sex, socialising all different things, how do you split the cost of each part up.   :unknown:  (Again rhetorical)

At least with a car the cost per mile to run can be calculated and different costs can be calculated by distance travelled for each use, but when I was married sex was a thing that happened within the relationship whether or not I bought gifts or had holidays, it was all part of the relationship.

Anyway like I said I just don't understand the question and how such costs could be broken down into component parts and what percentage would be charged as sex, so I would reply further, I'll leave it to those who do understand.

Offline LLPunting

That’s a load of bollocks not all women are hard faced creatures and men can just be as bad as women

A considerable amount of men are worse, probably the majority.

Offline king tarzan

A considerable amount of men are worse, probably the majority.

So you are defending women who say all men are bad??

Women are the bad one's, the home wrecking creatures, the two faced slags, the moaners, the whingers..

The vast majority of men are the VICTIMS!!
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Offline LLPunting

Hobbit, you have to be clearer on what you think it an "expense" to secure the sexual favours of a partner.  It won't be just dates or holidays, flowers or chocolates.  The formula varies depending on the wants within partnership of the man.
If you're saying you'd definitely not want kids and she did and you'd live in a less expensive home with less fripperies then there's a huge associated cost with the OH.  If she has a job then that may be a mitigation, if she has dependents that you have to help with that another add.  If she has other wants you need to indulge (cars, other trappings of wealth or status, etc.)  This presumes that any wants for connection and companionship can be met with (female) friends and sexual "reward" is the only real "benefit" of the partner being in your life.

If you can distil your wants this discretely then a wife is certainly more expensive than some levels of regular punting.

Some of my regulars, past and present like others have recounted over the years, have become more than paid sex partners, they engage in conversation that can be dull, fun, caring even alienating just like an OH, they might meet socially, they might cook for me, converse between punts, effectively paid fwbs.  That's still probably cheaper than a "partner" who isn't paying towards the costs of coupledom.

Rare are the accountings here of punters with (still) sexually compatible partners, so that's another factor.  There are more mentions of SPs who offer UTC services to favoured regulars.

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

I think there a few bitter people on this thread.  As others have said you can't compare the two on cash alone.   You can have the time of your life for £150 for the hour or you can have a priceless time with a loving partner.

Well its not that surprising i was "done" for half a mill in the divorce and sometimes still feel rather sore about that but in retrospect it was for the best in the longer run..

And now see the odd girl as and when but having clamed down witrh age, if the right one came along then i think  i'd settle down again.

Till then still fun selecting "Target for tonite":).....

Offline Payyourwaymate

You can't isolate and put a price on one part of a whole package, or if you can I would like to hear how it can be done. (Rhetorical question)

In a relationship the mortgage, utilities, food etc etc are all paid as part of the package, in among that there will be sex, socialising all different things, how do you split the cost of each part up.   :unknown:  (Again rhetorical)

At least with a car the cost per mile to run can be calculated and different costs can be calculated by distance travelled for each use, but when I was married sex was a thing that happened within the relationship whether or not I bought gifts or had holidays, it was all part of the relationship.

Anyway like I said I just don't understand the question and how such costs could be broken down into component parts and what percentage would be charged as sex, so I would reply further, I'll leave it to those who do understand.

I agree with you. The main presumption of his query predicates that men are only after women for sex only. Only on those grounds it would make sense to compare the financial costs between using providers and getting a GF or wife. Not all men just want sex from women. So in reality his query and potential conclusion does not hold a lot of weight without isolating variables associated with having a GF or Wife such as companionship etc. Or as someone else said apples and oranges.

It's already established that for sex only WGs are cheaper, but to compare the two experiences of having a GF or wife with using WGs for sex and placing them on level grounds to conclude which option is better does not add up. It would depend on what the man is looking for in the first place, finances alone will not dictate which is the better option as a whole. I do not understand either and I used to be a cynical and skeptical guy when it comes to women.

Offline LLPunting

So you are defending women who say all men are bad??

Women are the bad one's, the home wrecking creatures, the two faced slags, the moaners, the whingers..

The vast majority of men are the VICTIMS!!

Thanks for presenting a prime example.

My statement does not defend women it accuses men.  You're bitching about what you and others couldn't get from the women you "wanted" without considering how compatible they were with your "needs", you have failed to address your own needs properly.   Partnerships are about an evolving negotiated compromise, both parties are "guilty" if it fails to flourish, the fact it's a movable feast is the horribly tiresome worst of it but that's the cost of subscribing to monogamous "Love", believing that sexual partnership validates you and that sex in a relationship is "free" or at least free of moral judgement.

BTW isn't raging misogyny hate speech?  Is it only homophobia and racism that is policed here?
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Offline Payyourwaymate


if you think a woman will stick around when you are poor or sick, or when she has a better offer, you are very much mistaken.

That's not only women though. That's people in general. I'm sure many of us can think of situations where we or someone else was down on their luck and people they thought who cared, left them in the dust. Regardless of gender.

Offline Hobbit

That's not only women though. That's people in general. I'm sure many of us can think of situations where we or someone else was down on their luck and people they thought who cared, left them in the dust. Regardless of gender.

That is very true. Regardless of gender, a lot of people nowadays have no patience in relationships. They all want fast food, fast cars, fast mobile phones, and now fast relationships. Most don't stick around if their partner gets sick et cetera. Unfortunately, that's a social disease and can only be changed by each one of us.

Offline therma

OP, I generally agree with most of what you are saying. Furthermore, I feel the quality of sex and sexual servitude with a working girl is much higher than that of a girlfriend. With working girls, you can have all the variety you want, the working girls generally tend to dress well for punts in outfits/lingerie, they have list of services that they provide which also includes things that a girlfriend/wife wouldn't do. Also, you don't need to put much effort in opening up or exploring sexual kinks/preferences with a working girl compared to wife/girlfriend. From stories I hear from married men or men in serious relationships, most of them barely get their partner to dress up for them or satisfy certain kinks, a lot of times the women cuts off sex or provide a basic monthly (sometimes bi annual) quickie and still continue to expect the man to bring his qualities to the relationship such as paying for bills/dates/kids and giving a lot of attention outside of sex.

I know I sound negative on the issue of marriage/relationships. However the idea of having a wife/girlfriend doesn't seem a high return on investment especially if you can take care of yourself comfortably and have no real desire for children.

Offline Iceman90

Why not have it all? Be married, have girlfriends on the side and punt hookers.

Offline king tarzan

Why not have it all? Be married, have girlfriends on the side and punt hookers.

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A considerable amount of men are worse, probably the majority.
You are just guessing/assuming there mate. Why make lazy factless comments  :unknown:

Offline ollielon

:hi: I would say pretty good comparison BUT :dance: Having 1 ex misses and 2 ex livin partners I add its like having a brand new car or car or what ever type you feel like  :yahoo: :yahoo:

Emma Butt equal to hire of Bentley GT for a shag :cool:

Rather than that Mk4 Cortina which has seen better days but youre still paying the finace and expenses running :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

 :lol: and you do like to bring the Cortina down memory lane once in a while to remind you the good old time ... nice analogy though

Offline LLPunting

You are just guessing/assuming there mate. Why make lazy factless comments  :unknown:

Prison populations, wars, shitty cyclist behaviour, aggressive driving, corporate predation, bar behaviour, nightclub behaviour, online behaviour, labour exploitation, human trafficking... 

Offline willie loman

i would assume that a single man would have more disposable income than a married man, but other than that it gets a bit more complicated.

Offline king tarzan

i would assume that a single man would have more disposable income than a married man, but other than that it gets a bit more complicated.

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Offline pythondan

I'm struggling to understand how the two completely different scenarios can be compared. It's like trying to compare running a car and using a taxi as a one off on a night out.

I like the car analogy - 20 years ago I committed to a sporty little number which was great fun to drive. She has given great service but has become increasingly unreliable and frankly a bit of an old banger.

When I want some fun I rent a more modern model (or sometimes a classic) but cannot afford to buy one outright.

Offline willie loman

for most people incidentally , living in edinburgh, using taxis is cheaper than a car, plus there is the option of belonging to a car club. in the near future owning a car will seem as absurd as owning a carriage and horses.

Offline Hobbit

OP, I generally agree with most of what you are saying. Furthermore, I feel the quality of sex and sexual servitude with a working girl is much higher than that of a girlfriend. With working girls, you can have all the variety you want, the working girls generally tend to dress well for punts in outfits/lingerie, they have list of services that they provide which also includes things that a girlfriend/wife wouldn't do. Also, you don't need to put much effort in opening up or exploring sexual kinks/preferences with a working girl compared to wife/girlfriend. From stories I hear from married men or men in serious relationships, most of them barely get their partner to dress up for them or satisfy certain kinks, a lot of times the women cuts off sex or provide a basic monthly (sometimes bi annual) quickie and still continue to expect the man to bring his qualities to the relationship such as paying for bills/dates/kids and giving a lot of attention outside of sex.

I know I sound negative on the issue of marriage/relationships. However the idea of having a wife/girlfriend doesn't seem a high return on investment especially if you can take care of yourself comfortably and have no real desire for children.

I agree with you fully :drinks:

Offline Drcoco

I will add no games with a wg i turn up like what i see pay - don't like the look I can go somewhere else it also depends on the currency - when I think of all the time i've invested in the woman in my life and the little in return at least a wg lets me know upfront how much is gonna cost me.
 

Offline ollielon

for most people incidentally , living in edinburgh, using taxis is cheaper than a car, plus there is the option of belonging to a car club. in the near future owning a car will seem as absurd as owning a carriage and horses.

car club are great but not always cleaned after each run ... the equivalent of a cheap punt with a newbie far north of london except that you can't fill a damage report for a refund

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Prison populations, wars, shitty cyclist behaviour, aggressive driving, corporate predation, bar behaviour, nightclub behaviour, online behaviour, labour exploitation, human trafficking...
There you go again...

Offline LLPunting

There you go again...

Indeed, there's always hope that repetition will lead you to honestly enquire the truth for yourself.  If you have countermanding substantiated fact then by all means post it with the same confidence as your dismissal.

Offline Mr Doodle

Prison populations, wars, shitty cyclist behaviour, aggressive driving, corporate predation, bar behaviour, nightclub behaviour, online behaviour, labour exploitation, human trafficking...

[Thread drift alert]

This sort of crap suits a narrative. I won't argue that on balance, men are more likely to commit these sorts of barbaric atrocities, but the way this sort of crap is pedalled, it's like the vast majority of men do it, and,as usual, raw numbers mask the real numbers.

Prison population is a poor indicator by itself without considering many other factors such as the distribution of the offences committed, the length of time in prison, the mental state of the offender at the time, the situation at the time, etc. This may seem PC, but consider that many offences will be non-violent and usually involve theft, etc, you would have to ask why? Is the male in the breadwinning position of the family, trying to keep head above water, etc? Also, there is a cultural aspect - at least in western societies, judges are far less likely to send women to prison for the same offences they are willing to send men to prison (there have been many studies on this). Obviously, for more serious offences they will go to prison, but the terms are usually 25% or more, less (if that makes sense). Not saying that women come close to men on any adjusted basis, but you do have to look beyond the numbers.

Wars is another - Throughout history, women haven't been at the helm quite as much as men to start or defend against wars. Even in modern day wars, the concept of a woman being in charge of countries that tend to perpetrate wars is anathema. If we look at North Korea, the world is far more fearful of Kim's sister than he.

Shitty cyclist behaviour - again.. how many male to female cyclists do you see on the road? Very skewed anecdotal evidence. I used to commute cycle to work in London, and I gave up because the commie cyclists were more dangerous than the cars, motorcycles, buses, mopeds and trucks combined. And, on a per-capita basis, I didn't observe too  much difference in behaviour between the genders.

Corporate "predation" - the fact is there are disproportional more men in positions to perform this than women, so it stands to reason that there will be more men performing it. However, isn't one of the most famous corporate predators in the UK, Tessa Cohen? From experience or corporate politics, the women play just as good game of it as men.

Bar and nightclub behaviour are really one and the same. Yes, men tend to spike girls drinks, get into fights, and make persiisntently unwanted advances (and worse) to women - far more than men. While I don't condone (and in fact would condemn) this behaviour, it is sadly a product of, especially in younger men's biology. Yet, how many women actually like the thought of men fighting amongst themselves for their hearts (or more accurately, the use of their genitalia)? More than care to admit to, I bet - because it is part of finding out the fittest/strongest they may mate with. With respect to sexcual predatation, unf, one alcohol gets involved and inhibitions are lost/consequences not thought through - I would have to concede in this area, on a per-capita basis, at least my observations are men are likely to be the culprits (but not always).

Online behaviour? Yoiu have to be kidding. Yes, sexting is a problem.. but women are equally bad at it as men - you just don't hear it that much.. and for some reason, men don't complain when they are sent unsolicited and often unwanted images of naked sexter women - it's just not in our nature. Also, online witchhunts (torolling) by women.girls of their "friends" have led to many suicides. I think this is one where you should do a bit more research before using this as even a justification that men are worse than women.

Labour exploitation - again - the men were in the decision making authority in the most part - there are many examples of where women were at the helm or at least calling the shorts, things like slavery (past and modern day) went and still go on.

Human trafficking.. hmm.. in virtually all of the human traffickers that have been reported as being brought to justice, hasn't a woman also been charged.. But look at the difference in prison terms?

I am surprised you didn't mention things like rape and domestic abuse. With the latter, studies indicate that the rate domestic abuse by the woman against men is surprisingly closer than the official numbers would have it in most western societies due to both the hesitancy of the make to report it, and the general disregard paid to reported instances by law enforcement. Intuitively, you would still say men perpetrate it more than women.. However, if you take into account mental abuse, the numbers may even up a lot more.

Rape.. which is normally a crime of violence and control, may be similar in that there is an amount of it committed by women that goes unreported, or, as in many western jurisdictions, is not considered a crime capable to be committed by a women. There was a famous case in Victoria, Australia, where three or four girls pinned a fella down who refused to have sex with him, coaxed his dick hard (it is sensory, so it will normally be able to be coaxed even in tenuous situations where the stroking stimulates),  and mounted it. The problem is, rape is defined as non-consensual sex, in terms of penetration into the vagina or mouth. As he was rejecting their advances, it was clearly non-consenting (by him), but he was not penetrated and they had nothing to penetrate him with. They were not guilty despite admitting to the facts. In other countries apparently, it specifically excludes women from being able to commit rape, or at least explicitly states only the woman can be the victim of rape.

Of course, I am not suggesting for one minute than women are equally likely to rape a man... but it isn't as one way as most think.

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On the question of whether it costs more per hour of sex with a SP v the wife, well, it depends.. doesn't it.. Very difficult to measure.. Say you buy the house together and you end up paying for the mortgage.. is it even a cost if the value of the house goes up more than the mortgage payment? And if the missus finds out that you have been having a bit on the side with a SP, and divorces you, taking, say, 80% of the value of your assets, was that the cost of your wife, or the cost of you having a punt or 2?

The best answer to that question is..... <drum roll>... it depends.