Punting + MGTOW

[jimbobwood]

MGTOW (Men going their own way)

I've been a member of forum for about 2 years and I have noticed that many punters are not keen on relationships with women. They get their sexual needs met using prossies. Many punters on here complain about lack of sex, wife using sex as a form of control to get what she wants and so on.

There are a lot of comparisons compared to this forum and Bachelor/MGTOW forums. This forum has a mix bag of people:

1)Men that still get sex with girlfriend/fuck buddy, but likes the thrill of sex with a prossie.

2)Men that are single, struggling to find a girlfriend or given up and doesn't want the hassle.

3)Married/family men getting limited sex at home and they see punting as an outlet to fuck other women. Avoiding breaking up the family unit.

4)Men that have come out of a messy divorce or been hurt badly by women. Sometimes spending shit loads of money on prossies, craving an overdose of GFE or even MMN (Male Mother Need) to ease the pain of divorce.

All these options are great adverts to become a Bachelor/MGTOW. I read about punters having punting phones, jumping through hoops to have a punt so the wife doesn't find out. Is there any point in getting married in future? It reduces our freedom and compresses our options to fuck other women. Which is our nature, fucking the same woman for 20 years sounds very mundane.

For me I come under option two. I'm trying out the dating scene for a short/long term relationship and use punting when I need it. I'm more drawn to short term relationships because I enjoy living by myself and enjoy the freedom that comes with living as a bachelor. Having a girlfriend to come over once/twice a week would be great, but I don't want to live with anyone and I don't want children.

I'm not sure where this topic is going, it's just I sense a red pill or logical mentality amongst punters and it's never been discussed on here before.

Before punting I had a very blue pill mentality to meet the special one to get married and live together. Since starting punting, I don't want that at all. Punting has opened my mind and reading other mens problems on here and other forums has been an eye opener. I used to have dreams about saving prossies from their pimps or bad boyfriends. Looking back it was crazy the way I used to think. Punting has crushed this way of thinking, overcoming EAS and dealing with cold-hearted prossies.

I think MGTOW movement will continue to grow, prossies will be more in demand and marriage will be become extinct.

What's your thoughts on this? Are there other members of UKP who are MGTOW/Bachelors?

I could go more in depth about this, but see what other people write.

[Ben4454]

MGTOW here. I do not believe in marriage or relationships.

[SirFrank]

My reason for punting is complex and doesn't feature on the original list. I've got a split personality; I'm happily married and content to watch say yes to the dress on TLC and have sex every 6 months. Sir frank however is an insatiable cocksmith, addicted to punting and a dirty cunt to boot. When it all goes tits up, I'll blame it all on him

[Dime]

In my opinion, if you have the money, and do not have the most outgoing personality punting can be a credible alternative to the baggage that goes with a relationship with a woman. For example, as a 23 year old uni student I do not fit the stereotypical punter- the few friends who know I punt have said to me "You're a good looking guy, you should be able to go into a club and pull a girl". Indeed many WGs I've been with have asked me things like: "Why do you use escorts? Really, do you not have a girlfriend?" The reason I use WGs is the fact that you go, pay, do the business then leave. At this moment in time, I am not really interested in a relationship, however I would like to meet someone and settle down eventually. Prostitution is the oldest profession in the world, because as men we have natural desires to fuck women. It will be that way till the end of time. I think the OP makes an interesting point at the end when he says: " Marriage will become extinct". I think marriage is becoming outdated anyway, as many young couples even in their 30s are quite happy living together. However, I think there will be a time when punting is less frowned upon and will be  seen as less taboo by society, similar to gay marriage.

[Quatro]

My reason for punting is complex and doesn't feature on the original list. I've got a split personality; I'm happily married and content to watch say yes to the dress on TLC and have sex every 6 months. Sir frank however is an insatiable cocksmith, addicted to punting and a dirty cunt to boot. When it all goes tits up, I'll blame it all on him

Sums up my situation perfectly.

[AgedCases]

I'm the newly-divorced who has been hurt badly by women, and trust me, my ex-wife hurt me in the cruellest way imaginable.

I've only punted once so far, to see if I could actually enjoy physical contact with another woman, and I could. I'm not interested in relationships now that I know I can arrange sex when I want it. I'm just a bit scared of catching any STIs.

[thefoxman]

Punting certainly stopped me jumping from bad relationship to bad relationship just for the sex
- and bizarrely I'm now more popular with the ladies as I'm less impressed by looks or controlled by the promise of sex.

Earlier on my mates were drooling over a young 20's bird in the pub, when I'm secretly thinking .. had better, at £120/hour 

[SirFrank]

I'm the newly-divorced who has been hurt badly by women, and trust me, my ex-wife hurt me in the cruellest way imaginable.

I've only punted once so far, to see if I could actually enjoy physical contact with another woman, and I could. I'm not interested in relationships now that I know I can arrange sex when I want it. I'm just a bit scared of catching any STIs.

Sorry to hear that mate. Try to Be content with two things 1) she's off your hands now. Fuck her. 2) some other fucker is now probably putting up with her shit. If he's not yet, he will be. Either way fuck her. Pm me her new address and I'll post her some of my dogs shit. He ate some scotch bonnets yesterday when my back was turned so his turds are like farleys rusks at the moment

[spkmstr48]

I'm currently in number 3 category but have during my life been in all the others.

The only constant - punting.

 

[superchamp]

Companionship or sex? Some men need both, others value companionship more and others, me included, are happy to live a solitary existence as long as we get our regular dose of sex. I'm also a selfish cunt who would take a dim view of having to make allowances etc. "for my other half". I like being my own boss with no commitments to another persons needs. I've been in one disastrous long term relationship (20 years too long) and that's enough for me. The main reason though is that I like (really like) younger women, and I couldn't face waking up to look at another person the same age as me (56). I did say I was a cunt didn't I?

[threechilliman]

My reason for punting is complex and doesn't feature on the original list. I've got a split personality; I'm happily married and content to watch say yes to the dress on TLC and have sex every 6 months. Sir frank however is an insatiable cocksmith, addicted to punting and a dirty cunt to boot. When it all goes tits up, I'll blame it all on him

Similar, although I could be classified as a 3. Happily married and get plenty of sex from Mrs tcm but I'm just a dirty fucker deep down and have been since the my first pubic hair appeared many moons ago. What amazes me is the people who know me in real life would find the other side of my character totally unbelievable. I laugh to myself sometimes when I think about it.

I remember a woman I worked with saying 'You're not like all those other blokes' and thinking how nice she was. Those comments ring in my ears now when I think 'She was right, I'm not like all those other blokes. I'm much, much worse!'

tcm aka Mr Nice Guy

[stevedave]

Started off as 2 about 15 years ago, became a 1 and am now a 3 (with a hint of 1).

Hope not to become a 4!

[spkmstr48]

Similar, although I could be classified as a 3. Happily married and get plenty of sex from Mrs tcm but I'm just a dirty fucker deep down and have been since the my first pubic hair appeared many moons ago. What amazes me is the people who know me in real life would find the other side of my character totally unbelievable. I laugh to myself sometimes when I think about it.

I remember a woman I worked with saying 'You're not like all those other blokes' and thinking how nice she was. Those comments ring in my ears now when I think 'She was right, I'm not like all those other blokes. I'm much, much worse!'

tcm aka Mr Nice Guy

Know that feeling, even had WGs tell me I'm a nice guy, no really I'm not

 

[spkmstr48]

Companionship or sex? Some men need both, others value companionship more and others, me included, are happy to live a solitary existence as long as we get our regular dose of sex. I'm also a selfish cunt who would take a dim view of having to make allowances etc. "for my other half". I like being my own boss with no commitments to another persons needs. I've been in one disastrous long term relationship (20 years too long) and that's enough for me. The main reason though is that I like (really like) younger women, and I couldn't face waking up to look at another person the same age as me (56). I did say I was a cunt didn't I?

Same here, who says as we get older our taste in women should change?

Most of the girls I see are a similar age and body type to my wife when I met her

 

[jimbobwood]

MGTOW here. I do not believe in marriage or relationships.

What made you a MGTOW?

[Happylad]

I`m an old man, a widower, and if I wish to fuck anything other than a wrinkled old hag I have to find and pay a pro$$ie who doesn`t mind fucking a wrinkled old man.  End of........

[Hyperchicken]

While being happily married with kids might not fulfil my sexual needs, I doubt being single and only sleeping with escorts for my entire life would satisfy my emotional or social ones. As usual the answer lies somewhere in the middle but is too different for each person to put into convenient stereotypes. I think saying things like marriage/long-term monogamy will become extinct is extremely drastic.

[unclesweetheart]

2) I'm too old and not good looking enough to attract young, attractive women. If I did, I wouldn't punt. But I'm not, so I do. Because I fancy young attractive women. And for a few, happy, expensive hours I can let myself believe that I am desired by those I desire.

[rthunderbird]

I'm just a mid 20 year old, I have also been told I am attractive enough to pick up women however I am in no mood to spend £200 on a night out and that I may or may not get a likely disappointing shag at the end of it and then on top of that more then likely have a person to interact with in the morning with all the awkwardness with me telling her to piss off as I really do not want or need a girlfriend at the minute. I have been burned in the past and for now punting meets my needs and I can indulge in my foot fetish which lets be honest most women don't like and think is weird. Hence why I punt.

[Ben4454]

What made you a MGTOW?

I am not impressed with the modern dating scene or modern women in general. The women of today have unrealistic expectations due to the over-supply. Their attitude in general is worse than it was 15 years ago. Along with the unfairness and financial risks for getting married I do not see it as a good option for myself. Women feminists have ruined it for men.

I am 28 years old and choosing to never get married or have kids. This way every dime I make is mine and I do not have to worry about the problems the modern married man has to deal with.  I never have to worry about divorce costs or dealing with a wife who uses sex as a manipulation tool or not putting out at all. I am free.

[Cuntminion]

Number2 for me

Not a ladykiller and no desire for a relationship

[bronson24]

I am not impressed with the modern dating scene or modern women in general. The women of today have unrealistic expectations due to the over-supply. Their attitude in general is worse than it was 15 years ago. Along with the unfairness and financial risks for getting married I do not see it as a good option for myself. Women feminists have ruined it for men.

I am 28 years old and choosing to never get married or have kids. This way every dime I make is mine and I do not have to worry about the problems the modern married man has to deal with.  I never have to worry about divorce costs or dealing with a wife who uses sex as a manipulation tool or not putting out at all. I am free.

good post. i agree fully with everything that you have said,

[bronson24]

Number2 for me

Not a ladykiller and no desire for a relationship

and i fall into this category too even though id like to think im a good looking lad it is too much of a fuck on even bothering with women now as the vast majority of them are totally stuck up and think they are something special

[Hobbit]

For me it's completely different. Due to my life circumstances I would probably not ever find a girlfriend, so therefore this is my only way of achieving that intimacy and sexual satisfaction. It's also a form of escapism for me, from normal mundane life and work.

[Cuntminion]

and i fall into this category too even though id like to think im a good looking lad it is too much of a fuck on even bothering with women now as the vast majority of them are totally stuck up and think they are something special

Ahh I am ugly as fuck, but even in a world where I wasn't I still would be a 2
Few relationships I have had were hard work and constantly felt suffocated by them

As you said a lot not all women do see themselves as a little bit special and I am not going to get performing monkey conplex trying to impress

[denneboom]

I am not impressed with the modern dating scene or modern women in general. The women of today have unrealistic expectations due to the over-supply. Their attitude in general is worse than it was 15 years ago. Along with the unfairness and financial risks for getting married I do not see it as a good option for myself. Women feminists have ruined it for men.

I am 28 years old and choosing to never get married or have kids. This way every dime I make is mine and I do not have to worry about the problems the modern married man has to deal with.  I never have to worry about divorce costs or dealing with a wife who uses sex as a manipulation tool or not putting out at all. I am free.

This

I'm a Number 2

I'm perennially single. I struggle to get into relationships but still desire intimacy from a female in the same way
as I did when I was a teenager 20 years ago. The only I can get a relationship is through online dating and it takes
a shit lot of effort & patience with no guarantee of results. Now at 36 I have exhausted the motivation and energy needed to pursue a normal partner, and have stopped looking.

I have had two relationships in which I was happy and content but I didn't match the expectations that these girls had. The last one was a mentally devastating blow. Women in this age have a warped concept of what their partner should be and the everyman cannot match up to it in most cases. I don't play the game anymore.

I did dream of having a family and being a parent. At the moment I dont care about that but in 20 years time
I may regret this.

I have a natural urge to interact sexually with attractive women. I satisfy this with punting. I would rather spend money on that than on dating girls who talk shit and who I cant be myself with.

[spaceman979]

i had to look up what mgtow was, and i think i am one, by choice, had what seems to be the normal marriage, from what i read on here, i was bored shitless and died a little each mind numbing day i spent in it, so i did one, never been happier, some men are fluffys when it comes to women not just prossies, i love her so i take all the shit , neglect of my neeeds etc , i was like that, but once i decied to be free and single, it took literally days for my mind and world to change, i can only imagine it was being released from prison feels like, i get civvy women offers, a lot, most of them married who tell me they dont do it with their husbands anymore, becuase he takes her for granted blah blah blah shit,

i accept it isnt for everyone, but i was offered marriage again id run a mile , probaly seting a new world record in the proccess, try reading men on strike, by helen smith, any man would have to think long and hard about the benfits of marriage, and the consequences if it went wrong,

[OakTree]

No 3 is pretty much what I am. It's a very simple thing with me, I like fucking hot women. Paying for it is the simplest way of achieving that. I don't try and scrutinise the what and wherefores. If it was trainspotting, fishing or whatever that I pursued then that's what I would do, instead it's sexual encounters with good looking women. I try not to let it become too much of my life, which isn't easy because at the end of the day it's only screwing.

[madeinwales56]

I'll share my thoughts with my psychologist thanks.

[rthunderbird]

No 3 is pretty much what I am. It's a very simple thing with me, I like fucking hot women. Paying for it is the simplest way of achieving that. I don't try and scrutinise the what and wherefores. If it was trainspotting, fishing or whatever that I pursued then that's what I would do, instead it's sexual encounters with good looking women. I try not to let it become too much of my life, which isn't easy because at the end of the day it's only screwing.

+1

[Corus Boy]

I've been married, enjoyed most of it but people get older and change, if you aren't aging at the same rate and the changes aren't going in the same direction, you get tension and then something has to give.  I didn't want to hang around and see the rubber band explode.

Since then I've had a couple of lady friends, one my age and one 20 years my junior.  Both relationships were good fun but the weight of the anchor chain was slowing me down too much.

Now I've been single maybe 12 years, live alone, do what I want to do, when I want to do it. Yes I'm selfish.

I have a few close friends, mostly female.  Sports and interests that fill my time and punt two or three times a week as I feel or if something attracts me.

So I guess I'm MGTOW! 

[DanDingle]

No1 for me.
I enjoy the buzz of it, partly because it's a new pussy / ass / mouth (delete or keep all 3 as appropriate) to fuck. Also though because I'm not interested in having an affair and all of the baggage that comes with trying to juggle 2 birds at the same time. Finding an escort is a whole lot easier.

Separate to that, there's a whole raft of fucking filthy and deprived things I've done with escorts that my other half won't or couldn't do. So I'm happy to pay a premium to do all of the sick and perverted things i want to do, as a result of watching way too much porn!

[Jamboney]

2 for me.

I've just got no interest in relationships. I spend all day at work listening to the bollocks people put up with in relationships and then get the same when I'm out with mates at the weekends and I'm always there thinking to myself I'm better off without it. Plus, with punting I can literally pick any girl I want and I'm happy to pay the premium for that.

[jimbobwood]

I am not impressed with the modern dating scene or modern women in general. The women of today have unrealistic expectations due to the over-supply. Their attitude in general is worse than it was 15 years ago. Along with the unfairness and financial risks for getting married I do not see it as a good option for myself. Women feminists have ruined it for men.

I am 28 years old and choosing to never get married or have kids. This way every dime I make is mine and I do not have to worry about the problems the modern married man has to deal with.  I never have to worry about divorce costs or dealing with a wife who uses sex as a manipulation tool or not putting out at all. I am free.

You have summed it completely. I find there is always a red flag that irritates me with women and I don't have time for this kind of shit. You are right about women with unrealistic expectations due to over-supply of thirsty men desiring pussy. The last date I had she was on the phone texting and on Facebook, she seemed so self entitled. Although the date was quite enjoyable, I thought the money would have been better spent in Soho Walkups having a foot fetish session. I have another date on Thursday, so see what happens. Both these women are on POF, says it all really!

With freedom, there comes a price to pay. You are going against the grain of society, cheating the program on a basic level - Which is getting a partner, marriage and creating a family. It's important you have a social network of like-minded friends, or you could feel isolated. It can be hard to live this life style, but it's a price I'm willing to pay.

[badsin]

No.2

My Last relationship ended almost 4 years ago. Following a close personal bereavement.

I would like to meet somebody, however, as stated on some other posts I genuinely think modern women are a bit shit. I can get civvies, but I find that the available women of my age carry way to much timber on their bones - I despise pork on folks.

Ultimatley Im fussy, I punt because I like to have sex with physically attractive women. Id like to be in a relationship, but I genuinely don't think what Im after exists within my age bracket.

I have looked into some dating sites in the past, however I just dont find it an appealing method of meeting folk. Thus I punt. Shame, as my punting pedigree has made me a fantastic shag and these civvie ladies dont know what their missing

[spkmstr48]

Many years ago I gave up on British girls. Instead I found a nice compliant girl from EE.

She was great for the first few years but now gone native. Different source, same end result, it just takes a bit longer,  aargh.

NEVER EVER AGAIN

Well until the next time anyway 

 

[Ben4454]

You have summed it completely. I find there is always a red flag that irritates me with women and I don't have time for this kind of shit. You are right about women with unrealistic expectations due to over-supply of thirsty men desiring pussy. The last date I had she was on the phone texting and on Facebook, she seemed so self entitled. Although the date was quite enjoyable, I thought the money would have been better spent in Soho Walkups having a foot fetish session. I have another date on Thursday, so see what happens. Both these women are on POF, says it all really!

With freedom, there comes a price to pay. You are going against the grain of society, cheating the program on a basic level - Which is getting a partner, marriage and creating a family. It's important you have a social network of like-minded friends, or you could feel isolated. It can be hard to live this life style, but it's a price I'm willing to pay.

I have said it before but the old ways are the best ways. Traditional blind-dating agencies and single nights (not speed dating) are the way to go. Along with that are hobby-events where you get to meet people with the same commonalities as you (think venue review meet ups) you really have to be one step ahead of the game. So many more inventive ways of meeting people via online.

The thing with online dating is I believe only 15-20% are there to find someone. If you have noticed a lot more attractive women are on dating sites because it is now mainstreamed. Just like strip clubs it is now socially acceptable to be doing online dating. This does not mean they take it seriously. Women tried it out and found 100's of potential suitors. They then raised the bar. Some just use it as a ego-massage parlour. Think about it... if 100's of women were messaging you every day you would be doing the same thing and going for the cream of the crop.

In this way POF is not a good website to meeting women. The best dating site would be one where the site does not expose women to 100's of men but only a handful a day. You would also be shocked to witness that women would not use this site for the reasons listed above.

[The_Don]

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[Ben4454]

Perhaps she was plotting his death and plotting her inheritance.

[LL]

3)Married/family men getting limited sex at home and they see punting as an outlet to fuck other women. Avoiding breaking up the family unit.

I'm in this camp but for me punting is much more than just sex.  It's something I can have in my life that's just for me, when every other element of my life is shared with others.  Punting's my secret and to explore it is to explore myself.

Great post by the way Jimbob.

[jcdmj12]

I have said it before but the old ways are the best ways. Traditional blind-dating agencies and single nights (not speed dating) are the way to go. Along with that are hobby-events where you get to meet people with the same commonalities as you (think venue review meet ups) you really have to be one step ahead of the game. So many more inventive ways of meeting people via online.

The thing with online dating is I believe only 15-20% are there to find someone. If you have noticed a lot more attractive women are on dating sites because it is now mainstreamed. Just like strip clubs it is now socially acceptable to be doing online dating. This does not mean they take it seriously. Women tried it out and found 100's of potential suitors. They then raised the bar. Some just use it as a ego-massage parlour. Think about it... if 100's of women were messaging you every day you would be doing the same thing and going for the cream of the crop.

In this way POF is not a good website to meeting women. The best dating site would be one where the site does not expose women to 100's of men but only a handful a day. You would also be shocked to witness that women would not use this site for the reasons listed above.

I used to find gay bars very good places to meet attractive women.  They were often driven nuts by the all good looking unavailable men around that they pounced when they found you were straight.   

[Ben4454]

So you didn't mind being pounced on by the gays? 

[covertlook]

type3, waiting to be type 5; the merry widower...

[jimbobwood]

type3, waiting to be type 5; the merry widower...

  Very Good!

Has anyone reached type 5 yet? It's usually the husband that is dead first. I know an old bloke and his wife died a few years ago. He actual seems happier now than ever before. He travels the world, goes to sporting events, plays golf and is having a great time. I wonder if he punts?!

[purple_t]

I'm number 2 in OP's list, not ugly and in good shape, but very shy and introverted, I just don't like talking to people really or 'playing the game', I find socialising quite exhausting. So punting suits me down to a tee rather than dating or trying to pursue a relationship.

[maxQ]

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an interesting read, I agree with most of it

[thefoxman]

MGTOW is my new fav word

This sums it up:

I do see a lot of young men who would otherwise be dating and marrying giving up on women,” he explains, “Or giving up on the idea of having a wife and family. "

“They’ve done a cost-benefit analysis and realised it is a bad deal. They know that if they invest in a marriage and children, a woman can take all of that away from them on a whim.

[Ben4454]

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an interesting read, I agree with most of it

Sums it up perfectly. Women are no longer going out to clubs to get laid. They are doing it all online and only choosing the hottest/richest guys. A few years ago I dated a few girls off there and tbh their attitude was so bad I just decided to walk out on them mid date.

[The_Don]

and tbh their attitude was so bad I just decided to walk out on them mid date.

Happens in punting as well.

Sex sells, regardless of paying for it.  Directly or indirectly

[Cuntminion]

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If I won serious money I don't think I would every marry

I would buy a cat, learn to speak goat and fuck off to the mountains

Trust no one